Comments on: “I, Mudd” Screenshots and Video and Audio Clips [UPDATED] http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/ the source for Star Trek news and information Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:02:03 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Tony http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/comment-page-2/#comment-361952 Tony Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:11:28 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/#comment-361952 Hey! Thanks for fighting against the coefficient of dumpster! Your efforts, albeit lost in the massive-ness of the WEB, is very much appreciated. I found your site cuz I had a question/query. Your site and info helped me find the answer. Thank You! Hey!

Thanks for fighting against the coefficient of dumpster!

Your efforts, albeit lost in the massive-ness of the WEB, is very much appreciated.

I found your site cuz I had a question/query. Your site and info helped me find the answer.

Thank You!

]]> By: dmack http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/comment-page-2/#comment-2144 dmack Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:35:22 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/#comment-2144 what is your problemIt was in direct response to someone posting in this thread. Why don't you find something better to do. what is your problemIt was in direct response to someone posting in this thread. Why don’t you find something better to do.

]]> By: acb http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/comment-page-2/#comment-2138 acb Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:59:30 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/#comment-2138 and an overbloated, unneccesary one at that. and an overbloated, unneccesary one at that.

]]> By: dmack http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/comment-page-2/#comment-2129 dmack Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:42:01 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/#comment-2129 acb, sod off It was called making a point.. wiseass.. acb, sod off
It was called making a point..
wiseass..

]]> By: EBAR http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/comment-page-2/#comment-2078 EBAR Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:33:08 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/#comment-2078 Thanks for the information dmack! Perhaps, someone should explain to the Trek Remastered people who are working on the new effects that they are wrong and that their effects are just great the way they are! ;-) I really don't see what the big rush is all about. If CBS is willing to invest the money, they should take as much time as they need to get the effects done properly. I don't need to see one new resmastered episode every week. I would be happy with one per month if that is what it takes to make the effects look good. Even though I aready own two complete versions of TOS on DVD, I would be willing to pay big bucks for a new remastered TOS set with great special effects. I am not willing to pay anything for what they have done to date with this effort. CHANGE IS GOOD! Bring on the improvements, please. And for goodness sake, take your time and revise the release schedule to do them properly! Thanks for the information dmack! Perhaps, someone should explain to the Trek Remastered people who are working on the new effects that they are wrong and that their effects are just great the way they are!
;-)

I really don’t see what the big rush is all about. If CBS is willing to invest the money, they should take as much time as they need to get the effects done properly. I don’t need to see one new resmastered episode every week. I would be happy with one per month if that is what it takes to make the effects look good.

Even though I aready own two complete versions of TOS on DVD, I would be willing to pay big bucks for a new remastered TOS set with great special effects. I am not willing to pay anything for what they have done to date with this effort.

CHANGE IS GOOD! Bring on the improvements, please. And for goodness sake, take your time and revise the release schedule to do them properly!

]]> By: acb http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/comment-page-2/#comment-2077 acb Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:27:28 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/#comment-2077 .................thanks for cutting and pasting an article we all already read. ……………..thanks for cutting and pasting an article we all already read.

]]> By: dmack http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/comment-page-2/#comment-2064 dmack Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:32:17 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/#comment-2064 Josh, it looks like the producer of the project Dave Rossi pretty much agrees with EXACTLY what all we "whiners" and complainers" have been saying... ..However, much discussion has focused on how CBS have been digitally recreating Kirk’s classic Enterprise. Many seem to feel that the team have not got it quite right yet, but what may surprise the critics is that the producers at CBS agree. "It is not that we are unhappy with the work, but it is not yet the Enterprise as we want to see it" says Dave Rossi, going on "we want it to be there as much as everybody else does." And this is not just talk; the team has a plan…and a new model. Not enough time and too much detail The reasons for the Enterprise not meeting the most exacting standards are twofold. Firstly there is the matter of time. The CBS team only had one month to deliver the first 2 episodes with over 120 new effects shots. "People need to understand the amazing amount of work these guys had to do from a dead stop," says Rossi. Secondly the team started with a model of the Enterprise that was in essence ‘too good’. It had detail all the way down to the nuts and bolts which you would never see, and the problem is that it takes forever for their computers to render the shots. Rossi explains, "It was taking time from us to do the lighting and the things that make the Enterprise shine." Together these things gave the team little to no time to make the changes they felt were necessary. A ‘new’ Enterprise for Trek Remastered Things have settled down a bit for the team now that they have done a few episodes, but the biggest change is that they have a brand new digital model of the Enterprise. This week a new model with less of the render hungry (but invisible) detail is being delivered to the Trek Remastered team. Rossi says the new ship will be cut down the render time dramatically and free up time to ‘do some of those cool things’ that they have wanted to do. "We will have time time to test lighting, coloring, and yes…those nacelle caps," says Rossi, "it is going to totally change the process, we are very excited about it." The team is so up on their new model that they hope to go back to some previously done shots and redo them. It is a welcome sign that the team is willing to make these improvements going forward (and backward). Many of those early shots get re-used throughout the series (an example would be the plastic-looking ‘left turn shot‘ seen last week in ‘I,Mudd’, which is a reuse of one of the first shots the team made for ‘Miri’). Due to the lead time in putting together an episode, the ‘new’ Enterprise won’t be making its debut until November. See?!?!?!? Jeez... Josh, it looks like the producer of the project Dave Rossi pretty much agrees with EXACTLY what all we “whiners” and complainers” have been saying…
..However, much discussion has focused on how CBS have been digitally recreating Kirk’s classic Enterprise. Many seem to feel that the team have not got it quite right yet, but what may surprise the critics is that the producers at CBS agree. “It is not that we are unhappy with the work, but it is not yet the Enterprise as we want to see it” says Dave Rossi, going on “we want it to be there as much as everybody else does.” And this is not just talk; the team has a plan…and a new model.

Not enough time and too much detail
The reasons for the Enterprise not meeting the most exacting standards are twofold. Firstly there is the matter of time. The CBS team only had one month to deliver the first 2 episodes with over 120 new effects shots. “People need to understand the amazing amount of work these guys had to do from a dead stop,” says Rossi. Secondly the team started with a model of the Enterprise that was in essence ‘too good’. It had detail all the way down to the nuts and bolts which you would never see, and the problem is that it takes forever for their computers to render the shots. Rossi explains, “It was taking time from us to do the lighting and the things that make the Enterprise shine.” Together these things gave the team little to no time to make the changes they felt were necessary.

A ‘new’ Enterprise for Trek Remastered
Things have settled down a bit for the team now that they have done a few episodes, but the biggest change is that they have a brand new digital model of the Enterprise. This week a new model with less of the render hungry (but invisible) detail is being delivered to the Trek Remastered team. Rossi says the new ship will be cut down the render time dramatically and free up time to ‘do some of those cool things’ that they have wanted to do. “We will have time time to test lighting, coloring, and yes…those nacelle caps,” says Rossi, “it is going to totally change the process, we are very excited about it.” The team is so up on their new model that they hope to go back to some previously done shots and redo them. It is a welcome sign that the team is willing to make these improvements going forward (and backward). Many of those early shots get re-used throughout the series (an example would be the plastic-looking ‘left turn shot‘ seen last week in ‘I,Mudd’, which is a reuse of one of the first shots the team made for ‘Miri’). Due to the lead time in putting together an episode, the ‘new’ Enterprise won’t be making its debut until November.

See?!?!?!? Jeez…

]]> By: Dave http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/comment-page-2/#comment-2046 Dave Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:16:12 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/#comment-2046 Hi Matt Wright, "Also, Dave I dunno where your getting your information but Paramount has confirmed uncut HD remastered/CGI versions exist for future use...." Go back and read my previous message again.... "The episodes are NOT available uncut. CBS/Paramount had made an initial offering that DID include both options but few if any accepted due to how much advertsing revenue would be lost with roughly only 3 minutes of commercial time to sell. CBS/Paramount eats up the other three minutes by selling their own advertising as well. The episodes will be available uncut on all DVD formats after the entire series has aired over the next two years. You will not be able to see them uncut (with the possible expcetion of a convention showing) until late 2008 early 2009. " I never addressed whether or not the HD was available for broadcast at this time. But just to open another can of worms... the following information comes from the text of a phone interview that is available on startrek.com. Star Trek Enhanced is not available for broadcast in HD at this time. Most local TV stations that broadcast in HD can only broadcast live sporting events, local news, or a live network feed (meaning prime time programming between 8 and 11 PM). The amount of storage space that is required to store these episodes for any length of time is enormous. A few stations out there DO have this capacity, but not enough have it to make it worth the effort for CBS/Paramount to transmit these episodes at this time. Yes, the episodes will be available for this type of broadcast in the future. But CBS/Paramount has chosen to NOT make them available at this time. Hi Matt Wright,

“Also, Dave I dunno where your getting your information but Paramount has confirmed uncut HD remastered/CGI versions exist for future use….”

Go back and read my previous message again….

“The episodes are NOT available uncut. CBS/Paramount had made an initial offering that DID include both options but few if any accepted due to how much advertsing revenue would be lost with roughly only 3 minutes of commercial time to sell. CBS/Paramount eats up the other three minutes by selling their own advertising as well.

The episodes will be available uncut on all DVD formats after the entire series has aired over the next two years. You will not be able to see them uncut (with the possible expcetion of a convention showing) until late 2008 early 2009. ”

I never addressed whether or not the HD was available for broadcast at this time. But just to open another can of worms… the following information comes from the text of a phone interview that is available on startrek.com.

Star Trek Enhanced is not available for broadcast in HD at this time. Most local TV stations that broadcast in HD can only broadcast live sporting events, local news, or a live network feed (meaning prime time programming between 8 and 11 PM). The amount of storage space that is required to store these episodes for any length of time is enormous. A few stations out there DO have this capacity, but not enough have it to make it worth the effort for CBS/Paramount to transmit these episodes at this time.

Yes, the episodes will be available for this type of broadcast in the future. But CBS/Paramount has chosen to NOT make them available at this time.

]]> By: dmack http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/comment-page-2/#comment-1993 dmack Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:17:48 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/#comment-1993 Exactly!!!! Exactly!!!!

]]> By: Donn http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/comment-page-2/#comment-1982 Donn Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:26:42 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/15/i-mudd-screenshots-and-audio-clip/#comment-1982 To clarify, I am a HUGE fan of the FX in ST:TMP- the detailing Doug Trumbull's shop did on the refit E was brilliant. The way he lit it was masterful. It, of course, later was was ruined by ILM by matte spraying the whole thing over so they could use bluescreen. The CG classic E doesn't need a million little panels embossd on it to give it scale. What it does need is a more experienced and subtle approach when it comes to lighting and detailing-- especially with those... domes. (HA, HA!) To clarify, I am a HUGE fan of the FX in ST:TMP- the detailing Doug Trumbull’s shop did on the refit E was brilliant. The way he lit it was masterful. It, of course, later was was ruined by ILM by matte spraying the whole thing over so they could use bluescreen.
The CG classic E doesn’t need a million little panels embossd on it to give it scale. What it does need is a more experienced and subtle approach when it comes to lighting and detailing– especially with those… domes. (HA, HA!)

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