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	<title>Comments on: Shatner Jokes Kirk is &#8216;Uncastable&#8217;, Dismisses Cameo For Trek XI</title>
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		<title>By: Anthony Pascale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Pascale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sybok.

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but do you have to make every single post a quote and link laden plea for CGI Kirk. I can tell you that it is just not going to happen, certainly not on the big screen. 

3 years from now someone else will &#039;be&#039; Kirk and Shatner will be well remembered like Sean Connery as Bond, but he is done. And that is OK. 

...and yes I know SC came back once as bond...but it aint gonna happen except a cameo or some other type thing....Kirk will be some new guy and we all need to either accept that or resign ourselves to our DVD collections forever.</description>
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<p>I appreciate your enthusiasm, but do you have to make every single post a quote and link laden plea for CGI Kirk. I can tell you that it is just not going to happen, certainly not on the big screen. </p>
<p>3 years from now someone else will &#8216;be&#8217; Kirk and Shatner will be well remembered like Sean Connery as Bond, but he is done. And that is OK. </p>
<p>&#8230;and yes I know SC came back once as bond&#8230;but it aint gonna happen except a cameo or some other type thing&#8230;.Kirk will be some new guy and we all need to either accept that or resign ourselves to our DVD collections forever.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 04:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sybok #31,
  First, don&#039;t presume to know me or what I watch. I don&#039;t appreciate the attempt at the low blow you tried. I&#039;ve not insulted you.
 Secondly, I like Gollum and was impressed with the technology that created him and did allow the character to emote. However, It didn&#039;t have to look completely human and he (Gollum) certainly wasn&#039;t. So the effect worked. We are discussing mapping well-known faces that need to look human and real. And my comments were also intended to apply beyond Trek. I can, with this technology, take anyone with the right size and shape, have them act and paste a well-known on their less than famous mug and call it art or acting. They may give a world-class performance... but should they ask for more than a pittance of $$ they are easily replaced with another wannabe.
  And I agree with TomBot2006 on this point... &quot;The most important factors of this reboot attempt will be STORY, CHARACTERIZATION, and CHEMISTRY. In other words, the whole damn package will have to work. We’ll have to be convinced that it’s not a piece of crap one off that will be here today and gone tomorrow. If it feels shallow, temporary, and out for an easy buck… it will fail.&quot;
  I do not look forward to &quot;The works of Shakespere as performed by the Sims&quot;. IMHO
Michael &quot;Gotta be Real&quot; T</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sybok #31,<br />
  First, don&#8217;t presume to know me or what I watch. I don&#8217;t appreciate the attempt at the low blow you tried. I&#8217;ve not insulted you.<br />
 Secondly, I like Gollum and was impressed with the technology that created him and did allow the character to emote. However, It didn&#8217;t have to look completely human and he (Gollum) certainly wasn&#8217;t. So the effect worked. We are discussing mapping well-known faces that need to look human and real. And my comments were also intended to apply beyond Trek. I can, with this technology, take anyone with the right size and shape, have them act and paste a well-known on their less than famous mug and call it art or acting. They may give a world-class performance&#8230; but should they ask for more than a pittance of $$ they are easily replaced with another wannabe.<br />
  And I agree with TomBot2006 on this point&#8230; &#8220;The most important factors of this reboot attempt will be STORY, CHARACTERIZATION, and CHEMISTRY. In other words, the whole damn package will have to work. We’ll have to be convinced that it’s not a piece of crap one off that will be here today and gone tomorrow. If it feels shallow, temporary, and out for an easy buck… it will fail.&#8221;<br />
  I do not look forward to &#8220;The works of Shakespere as performed by the Sims&#8221;. IMHO<br />
Michael &#8220;Gotta be Real&#8221; T</p>
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		<title>By: acb</title>
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		<dc:creator>acb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 00:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually i was not head over heels for the digital work of gollum in lotr.  It was good but if u see Serkis&#039;s performance video from when he was being recorded into the computer it is far more interesting than the cgi model ended up being.

And there is a very stark difference between seeing a computer generated image recreating a person&#039;s emotion than watching an actor actually experience them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually i was not head over heels for the digital work of gollum in lotr.  It was good but if u see Serkis&#8217;s performance video from when he was being recorded into the computer it is far more interesting than the cgi model ended up being.</p>
<p>And there is a very stark difference between seeing a computer generated image recreating a person&#8217;s emotion than watching an actor actually experience them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sybok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sybok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MichaelIT, and acb: did you have problems with Andy Serkis&#039; performance as Gollum in &lt;i&gt; Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers &lt;/i&gt;, or since it&#039;s not Trek you didn&#039;t see it?

Of course, Isaac Asimov or Clarke SF stories notwithstanding, &lt;b&gt; acting &lt;/b&gt; won&#039;t disappear.  

I would love to see Shatner, Nimoy, Takei re-create their TOS characters again, and this or equivalent technology would allow it.  The actor&#039;s performance would be &quot;mapped&quot; on to the avatar.

But I know we&#039;ll probably end up with Calvin Klein models cast as Kirk &amp; Spock.

C&#039;est la vie!  Au revoir, I have a ship to tend to!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MichaelIT, and acb: did you have problems with Andy Serkis&#8217; performance as Gollum in <i> Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers </i>, or since it&#8217;s not Trek you didn&#8217;t see it?</p>
<p>Of course, Isaac Asimov or Clarke SF stories notwithstanding, <b> acting </b> won&#8217;t disappear.  </p>
<p>I would love to see Shatner, Nimoy, Takei re-create their TOS characters again, and this or equivalent technology would allow it.  The actor&#8217;s performance would be &#8220;mapped&#8221; on to the avatar.</p>
<p>But I know we&#8217;ll probably end up with Calvin Klein models cast as Kirk &amp; Spock.</p>
<p>C&#8217;est la vie!  Au revoir, I have a ship to tend to!</p>
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		<title>By: TomBot2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomBot2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I have no fear of CGI clones of our fave characters being used; it just won&#039;t happen, and even if it was, it would be likely limited and not very important to the overall experience.
The most important factors of this reboot attempt will be STORY, CHARACTERIZATION, and CHEMISTRY. In other words, the whole damn package will have to work. We&#039;ll have to be convinced that it&#039;s not a piece of crap one off that will be here today and gone tomorrow. If it feels shallow, temporary, and out for an easy buck... it will fail. As lately, I&#039;m feeling let down by LOST, and ALIAS, I was an early adopter, and dropper... I don&#039;t think Abrams will have a problem with casting if he stays within the needs of the character, but lately, I&#039;m wondering if Abrams can chart a long term course without losing cohesion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I have no fear of CGI clones of our fave characters being used; it just won&#8217;t happen, and even if it was, it would be likely limited and not very important to the overall experience.<br />
The most important factors of this reboot attempt will be STORY, CHARACTERIZATION, and CHEMISTRY. In other words, the whole damn package will have to work. We&#8217;ll have to be convinced that it&#8217;s not a piece of crap one off that will be here today and gone tomorrow. If it feels shallow, temporary, and out for an easy buck&#8230; it will fail. As lately, I&#8217;m feeling let down by LOST, and ALIAS, I was an early adopter, and dropper&#8230; I don&#8217;t think Abrams will have a problem with casting if he stays within the needs of the character, but lately, I&#8217;m wondering if Abrams can chart a long term course without losing cohesion.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 03:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sybok, I understand what you are saying and I too like that technology can help with movies, TV and much more. You can almost create people. 
But....
  What does this do for acting as a profession... let alone an art form? Suddenly I can walk through a set and be anyone... from JT kirk to Dr. Who. Some actors are very overpaid, but most are not. This means I can hire anyone to walk about talk and gesture at the right spots and *Po0F!* cgi them to become my favorite charactor. 
  IMO this really cheapens the whole thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sybok, I understand what you are saying and I too like that technology can help with movies, TV and much more. You can almost create people.<br />
But&#8230;.<br />
  What does this do for acting as a profession&#8230; let alone an art form? Suddenly I can walk through a set and be anyone&#8230; from JT kirk to Dr. Who. Some actors are very overpaid, but most are not. This means I can hire anyone to walk about talk and gesture at the right spots and *Po0F!* cgi them to become my favorite charactor.<br />
  IMO this really cheapens the whole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: acb</title>
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		<dc:creator>acb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only issue with the idea of image-metrics is that:

1.  It will only deal with stereotypical portrayls of said actors/actresses to which their images are being created.

2.  No one can say how any actor will play a role on the basis of how they created another one.  Now, an actor can play or embody another actor of well known individual as has been seen in bio pics.  But no actor can create a role under the guise of saying &quot;this is how so and so would have played this next to so and so.&quot;  

Such a notion is simply a selling tool for image-metrics, as well as the very obvious gap that seems to be growing between those that create digital effects and actors/actresses who create characters.  Those who create the effects believe they know everything already to what makes a good character, when most that are created always end up being very stereotypical in portrayl and characterization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only issue with the idea of image-metrics is that:</p>
<p>1.  It will only deal with stereotypical portrayls of said actors/actresses to which their images are being created.</p>
<p>2.  No one can say how any actor will play a role on the basis of how they created another one.  Now, an actor can play or embody another actor of well known individual as has been seen in bio pics.  But no actor can create a role under the guise of saying &#8220;this is how so and so would have played this next to so and so.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Such a notion is simply a selling tool for image-metrics, as well as the very obvious gap that seems to be growing between those that create digital effects and actors/actresses who create characters.  Those who create the effects believe they know everything already to what makes a good character, when most that are created always end up being very stereotypical in portrayl and characterization.</p>
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		<title>By: Sybok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sybok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;acb, as to your story treatment, it doesn\&#039;t matter what I think, because Orci, Kurtzman et al. will write what they want.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, if you\&#039;re a published SF writer, get your agent to deal with Simon &amp; Shuster on a book! ;)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Image-Metrics technology most likely will not be used in this new film; however, this is what they say, which I quote below.  If the avatars are good, then the image mapping technology should work.  Unfortunately, there is no CGA -- A for &quot;Audio&quot;.  In theory, De Kelley could be recreated, using the performance of another actor.  But there is no realistic way, now, I think, to duplicate this voice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Image-Metrics and its competition shall be feasible, creating totally convincing &quot;actors&quot;, but perhaps not for a few years.  On the other hand, they are being &quot;hush hush&quot; on their web site.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, let Abrams have a go, but Paramount should keep all options open.  Shatner, Nimoy and the surviving cast could act, and thier performances be &quot;mapped&quot; using this technology or a competitor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, is Image-metrics &quot;hyping&quot; their work?  If so, the studios won\&#039;t use it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>acb, as to your story treatment, it doesn\&#8217;t matter what I think, because Orci, Kurtzman et al. will write what they want.</p>
<p>However, if you\&#8217;re a published SF writer, get your agent to deal with Simon &#038; Shuster on a book! ;)</p>
<p>Image-Metrics technology most likely will not be used in this new film; however, this is what they say, which I quote below.  If the avatars are good, then the image mapping technology should work.  Unfortunately, there is no CGA &#8212; A for &#8220;Audio&#8221;.  In theory, De Kelley could be recreated, using the performance of another actor.  But there is no realistic way, now, I think, to duplicate this voice.</p>
<p>I think Image-Metrics and its competition shall be feasible, creating totally convincing &#8220;actors&#8221;, but perhaps not for a few years.  On the other hand, they are being &#8220;hush hush&#8221; on their web site.</p>
<p>So, let Abrams have a go, but Paramount should keep all options open.  Shatner, Nimoy and the surviving cast could act, and thier performances be &#8220;mapped&#8221; using this technology or a competitor.</p>
<p>Now, is Image-metrics &#8220;hyping&#8221; their work?  If so, the studios won\&#8217;t use it.</p>
<p></p>
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		<title>By: Cervantes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cervantes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yes, it would be nice if these younger, hopefully relatively new to audiences, actors and actresses somewhat remind us of the original thespians, but it isn&#039;t a deal breaker for them to be, for the following reasons:

a)  IF the movie is well directed and entertaining, and the plot, effects, sets, music, and acting is good, then word of mouth, reviews, etc. will ensure a smash hit.

b)  IF that proves the case, audiences old and new alike will embrace the fresh casting. 

 A-listers in my opinion will DETRACT from this effort due to their financial demands taking away from the budget that could be better utilised onscreen.  Apart from casting SLIM, as opposed to MUSCLEBOUND ( the original  crew were slim and looked terrific in the original uniforms! ) actors, I have a preference where the Spock character is concerned... I would really like to see someone cast who is TALLER ( I always thought this emphasised Leonard Nimoy&#039;s otherworldlyness ) than the rest, and  who has a voice with reasonable GRAVITAS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yes, it would be nice if these younger, hopefully relatively new to audiences, actors and actresses somewhat remind us of the original thespians, but it isn&#8217;t a deal breaker for them to be, for the following reasons:</p>
<p>a)  IF the movie is well directed and entertaining, and the plot, effects, sets, music, and acting is good, then word of mouth, reviews, etc. will ensure a smash hit.</p>
<p>b)  IF that proves the case, audiences old and new alike will embrace the fresh casting. </p>
<p> A-listers in my opinion will DETRACT from this effort due to their financial demands taking away from the budget that could be better utilised onscreen.  Apart from casting SLIM, as opposed to MUSCLEBOUND ( the original  crew were slim and looked terrific in the original uniforms! ) actors, I have a preference where the Spock character is concerned&#8230; I would really like to see someone cast who is TALLER ( I always thought this emphasised Leonard Nimoy&#8217;s otherworldlyness ) than the rest, and  who has a voice with reasonable GRAVITAS.</p>
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		<title>By: Cervantes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cervantes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify my own position on this...in my ideal movie set-up, as described in post #8 on the previous thread...when I suggested that after the initial introductory  William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy cameo, that we then &quot;cut-away&quot; into the action of an ALL-NEW cast mid-adventure...I intended that this ALL-NEW cast were playing the ORIGINAL SERIES crew ( as in &quot;flashback&quot; mode as in Kirk and Spock reflecting on their past missions together ), as opposed to any NEW crew of characters!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify my own position on this&#8230;in my ideal movie set-up, as described in post #8 on the previous thread&#8230;when I suggested that after the initial introductory  William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy cameo, that we then &#8220;cut-away&#8221; into the action of an ALL-NEW cast mid-adventure&#8230;I intended that this ALL-NEW cast were playing the ORIGINAL SERIES crew ( as in &#8220;flashback&#8221; mode as in Kirk and Spock reflecting on their past missions together ), as opposed to any NEW crew of characters!</p>
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