Today Is Mirror Mirror Remastered Day November 11, 2006
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: TOS Remastered , trackback
Kirk, Scotty, Uhura and McCoy are sent into a parallel universe where women show more skin and Vulcans have goatees
Video preview / Local Station & Showtimes / More at Memory Alpha
A true fan favorite, Mirror Mirror spawned many copies…but there is nothing like the original. Just a week after debuting the new Enterprise, CBS use this classic episode to give fans yet another. Keep your eye out for…
- A ‘battleship’ like Mirror Enterprise based on the pilot Enterprise
- ISS markings
- An enhanced agony booth and hand agonizer
- …and pointy nacelle caps
so what did you think of Mirror Mirror Remastered…and yet another Enterprise
NOTE: There will be a bit of a delay on our usual screenshots, expect them up sometime tomorrow. Until then there are a couple of shots grabbed from the trailer below
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Bring it on!
Looks like there are Empire markings on the engine pylons…or are my eyes deceiving me? Anyway, if you look closely at that shot, it looks like there is something there.
TTM
Looks like another fine job color-coordinating the planet model with the planet soundstage.
I love the ‘pilot version’ of the Enterprise as the mirror ship, but I must say that the lighting looks like it is a step back from last week. From the shot posted here, the mirror E looks more model-like and less ship-like. Maybe it will look better in the real episode.
I think that they got it right.
I hope that they do something with the sky on the soundstage…
I hope they make the Halkan Council Leader look like the Control Voice from The Outer Limits. (Maybe a wavy oscilloscope pattern?)
You can tell it’s the “bad”enterprise because it has little daggers sticking out of it’s engine do-hickeys.
yeah i hope they update the planet set, with some clouds, then they could show the storm forming. that would be cool!
“Looks like there are Empire markings on the engine pylons…or are my eyes deceiving me? Anyway, if you look closely at that shot, it looks like there is something there.”
No, cuz the registry says “NCC…” so it should be the regular ship
It would be cool if the planet as seen from space has flashes of lightning indicating the ion storm.
You just can’t beat Spock’ s beard.
I’ve learned not to trust the screen grabs for comparisons.
It appears though there is a metallic paintjob for this Mirror-Enterprise, that would be good in keeping with the more militaristic notion of an Imperial starship Enterprise.
oops they didn’t change it, sorry
If any TOSR staff are reading this…I strongly agree with others on here that the sound stage episodes should be re-done to show clouds and landscape in the distance. I was very disappointed when there was nothing done in “Catspaw” at the end when Korob and Sylvia die. You can easily see the two stage lights behind Kirk!
All in all you guys are doing a great job but please fix the sound stage episodes!
I’ve gotten a pretty good look at that promo in Quicktime. There’s nothing visible yet on the pylon — what you’re seeing above is a blurred window I think. (That would be a good place for the sword emblem though.)
That said, I find it hard to believe that’s a fully rendered shot. Like Dilithium Dan said, the lighting looks off. And the planet looks odd too. Could just be the filtering on the promo though.
While in some ways, I think it’s a neat idea to use the pilot version of the Enterprise as the “Mirror” vessel, I have to wonder if it’s become a limitation as well… I mean, as much as people bitch about the swirling nacelle caps, it seems backwards to have them blood red and dark… I’d actually be for a darker, wicked effect, say the swirling showing through the caps, instead of just opaque. And here’s also hoping that we get some “dagger” across the engineering hull, or somewhere… I guess the larger sensor dish is so they can broadcast the Tantilis feild? ;) Like all the “Mirrored” characters, the Enterprise should be all bearded up. ;)
100% agree with you Spock’s brain post 14
Just watched the Mirror episode, very good, with the exception of a small glitch in our market (Orlando , FL CW 18). Between the time the mirror Checkov’s assasination attempt and Kirk, McCoy and Scotty in the Captains quarters their was footage of the Enterprise traveling at warp speed toward and away from the camera as it looks in the opening credits of the second season.
The funny thing is is that it wasn’t the new CGI model, it was original model footage.
#18: Same thing on the Detroit channel. The remaster team must have missed it.
Here is a link to a new shot in “Mirror Mirror” on Startrek.com.
http://www.startrek.com/custom/include/feature/bst/tos-enhanced/tos-039/new-540×287.jpg
“Mr. Kyle your agonizer please.”
WTF?!? Did they think this crew wouldn’t notice something like that?? Bizarre, especially since there wasn’t even any insert shot of the ship at that point in the episode…
Try this… Click on image gallery.
I’ll get this eventually.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/features/bst/article/28135.html
I just saw “Mirror, Mirror” remastered. Loved the new ISS Enterprise. The use of the “Cage” Enterprise follows TOS’ use of old props and such. The new planet looked great and was consistent with the sky on the surface scenes. I love the new color corrections. Seeing all the bright colors on Melina’s neglige. The new Agony Booth and Agonizer effects were well done as well. I agree that it would have been nice to see some clouds or storminess on the planet. Hopefully it will be there in the dvd release.
I think the “glitch” referred to in 18 and 19 above was a poorly chosen insert to cover up a syndication “for time” edit that just wasn’t gonig to cut well without a brief segue scene. A shame they used one of the ship at warp, as the Enterprise was in orbit around Halka for the entire episode.
I liked the changes overall. I just wish they had gone a little further. Enhanced the brief scene on the surface of Halka with some clouds moving or something, made the giant red thing on the agonizer glow when it activated, and replaced the original tantalus device in Kirk’s quarters with something a little more exotic and alien looking.
So as before, what’s there is good, I just wish there was a tad more.
Good stuff…..what I got to see anyway. If it’s not football, it’s NASCAR running over. Anyway, the one effect I did get to see was the departure of the Enterprise…very nice. The new model continues to shine. Oh yeah, the agony booth was cool as well. I’m not too worried about the “Warping” glitch…just an editing error. I am still finding the over all look of the episodes to be really dark though. I’m watching my local affiliates HD channel over the air on a 37″ Plasma screen and the shadows are almost completely black , losing detail that I could easily see on the DVD’s. The color is gorgeous and vibrant, but this darkness week after week is getting on my nerves. I hope this is a problem with my local stations broadcast and not indicative of the eventual HD DVD releases.
That’s a good question jonboc. I’ve noticed “darkness” as well on some episodes. However, they re-run the previous week’s episode on Saturday. Sometimes when they do that it’s bright as normal, sometimes still dark. Weird….
for those who have seen the remastered episode, did the ISS Enterprise have the Empire markings on it?
It did. U.S.S. became I.S.S. I didn’t see anything else, marking-wise.
its too bad they didnt do something to the hull like in the Enterprise episode where it had been painted and stuff to better recognize the empire version
like torpedo damage marks from an earlier conflict!
re: 18, I just couldn’t believe the sloppyness of splicing in old (non CGI) Enterprise-at-warp footage to cover a scene change. The E was supposed to be in orbit, not at warp! With so much attention to detail elsewhere, this glitch was flabbergasting.
i notice in the alternet universe sulu like girls….
Wow.
A great episode.
Shatner was sublime and everyone hit it out of the park acting wise. Nimoy shouldve received an emmy for that episode.
But best of all was Nichelle Nichols, what a gorgeous woman!
I wish she wore that uniform all the time.
Didnt Barbara Eden have to cover her navel as Jeannie?
The censors mustve been fans of Trek or Nichelle.
Yeah, I wanted more f/x but CBS isnt going to stray too far thats clear.
I wish theyd add some exterior Enterprise shots with nebulae
and other stellar phenomena in the background.
What would that hurt?
Dang, Roger, you stole my comment. I also thought Nimoy’s performance was award worthy. Shatner and Nichols were great also. Sulu had something to do and looked menacing.
I wish I had better reception, but even on my lousy cable signal, I can see just how much the prints have been cleaned up. Looks great.
I did notice the shot of the Enterprise hurtling through space. That was rather odd.
All in all, a very enjoyable episode. In my top ten — – maybe five.
Loved the shots of the ISS Enterprise and the tweaking of the agonizer and
the booth. The flybys with the warp footage made no sense they were
shown in orbit in an earlier scene. Using the pilot Enterprise with the
pointed warp nacelle’s and the thruster vents on the aft sectiion was very
imaginative. Hopefully the short comings of this episode will be corrected
when it goes to DVD.
Somebody did something stupid with that warp flyby scene :)
Anyhoo, looked great for the most part. They need to fix some of the transporter scenes; the black mattes weren’t fixed in this episode yet they were VERY obvious.
Also, the hand phaser effects didn’t look like they were changed.
One question: I wonder IF anyone else noticed dirt or smudge when they showed the Enterprises viewscreen when the leader of the planet was pleading with the alternate Enterprise? They were quite noticeable and not something I would ever expect to see on a updated and supposedly clean print. Also…when Kirk and Spock had their meeting in the hallway and the background music was rather abrupt and chopped off as if it was really poorly timed – edited? Let me know what you seen and heard on this. Thanks a lot!
a video summary of newly created effects for mirror, mirror is up on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o51f1cH1_j8
sorry, that last link was wrong here s the correct link
for new effects for mirror, mirror
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9SAFyvhcDk
Thanks joe for posting — Great job
I’m in the minority, here.
I thought the ISS model looked like it was hanging from a string.
I also thought the team missed an oppo to add the Empire’s markings and at the very least, some battle damage! I doubt the ISS Enterprise drifted through the galaxy without a lot of fights.
Not their best effort. Sorry.
Thanks for the FX reel Joe, nice to see everything I missed at the beginning. Although you forgot ro add the shot of the enterprise departing over the top of the planet from the end of the episode. Anyway, it all looks great, sorry I missed it on the big screen.
Once again the CG effects shots were outstanding, especially the tilt over the Enterprise shot, but there was a whole scene at the end of the episode that was cut out. I don’t know if this was necessary to fit in the CG material, or if more commercial time was needed, but it would be nice to see the complete episode with nothing cut out while still keeping the digital effects in.
#33 I think Sulu was used because he would be safe. Everyone had to know back then, You think?
Also I don’t see a link to William Shatner’s funny interview on StarTrek.com. Check it out.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/33475.html
^45 afaik they’re not cutting live action to make room for effects and in fact sometimes scenes that would contain new effects have been cut and won’t be seen till DVD. They have to take several minutes out of each episode and effects shots only last a few seconds so the cuts have to come from entire live action scenes.
Here’s my mini review:
Overall, I found the updates satisfactory. The planet’s surface is very well done, showing the ION storm as a magenta tinge sweeping across the planet. That same tinge can be seen reflecting off the hull of the Enterprise.
When the other Spock uses the AGONIZER on Mr, Kyle, we are treated to a short burst of electrical bolts, then as the agaonizer is pulled away, we can see a fading patch of energy on Mr. Kyle’s shoulder – nice touch.
However, I take issue the agonizer chamber effect used on Chekhov. I thought this update was not consistent with the either the original effects or the updates so far. The effect seemed too “Next Generation” to me and lacked the lighting bolts that we could see with the hand held agonizer.
And finally, it was mentioned above and I notice it too – these remastered transfers are getting very dark. “Cat’s Paw” was very shadowy and dark and it seemed to be correct given the episode, but “Mirror Mirror” also suffers from very dark shawdows that I cannot detect any detail in – just black. Hopefully, the HD and DVD releases will show more detail in the shadows – but I’m not seeing it here on SD.
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE DOOR!!! OK, I’ve seen this episode maybe a dozen times in my life and NEVER noticed the guy behind the door before. In the scene where McCoy and Scott are knocking out the security guard with a hypo, and Bones opens the door with a button. As it opens you can see a stage hand standing behind the door, probably opening it. How could I have missed that?
Here is a very short clip of the moment –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hryWC0P4jDg
Oh and the warp insert was the dumbest move ever! Why not just show a quick orbiting shot?
that’s some computer they got on the enterprise.
computer, do you know how a transporter can be used to send someone to a parallel universe?
affirmative.
record procedure.
done.
All in all I am happy with the effort here. However, I would have liked to see the Ion storm on the planet (might have been difficult with all the trees that were on the set) or at least some brief flashes of lightning on the surface of the planet from orbit. This would have been consistent with the lightning effects on the surface.
The hand phaser efffects should have been re-done.
I did like the ISS Enterprise looked good and I loked the agonizer and Agony booth enhancements.
Am I the only one that noticed smudge or dirt marks on or around the parallel Enterprises viewscreen when the Halkan Council leader was pleading for mercy? I noticed it while watching the KWGN broadcast.
Please comment on this as I would like to know IF My eyes were playing tricks on me or ? Thanks for your time and have a nice week.
Duane Boda, your not the only one, it was mentioned in comment #39. Plus there was some terrible black spots at the end on the bridge with the credits before the closing. I think they were on the credit cards where they show the producer’s name. They even move, I’m sure this was in the optical printer. But why they didn’t remove them is beyond me. I’m starting to think the weekly grind is getting to them, they are more concerned with the exterior ship shots than cleaning up the interior ones.
Sorry that previous post was from me… not gener… why was that in the name field??
^52 Because the viewscreen composites are original optical effects they retain dirt trapped in the process. CBS apparently is not attempting any digital re-compositing of original element negatives, which would produce a combined image as sharp and clean as the single-element film which is the bulk of the live-action footage. They’re also, apparently, not tasked to paint stuff like this out by hand.
There was also a noticeable scratch running up the side of Spock’s closeup during that same scene, which is a fortunately rare example of damage to non-effects footage. The scratch begins and ends with that shot so it’s probably been there forever.
Is there a place where I can store screen grabs of the show? I have several, including the orginal DVD shots vs. the remastered shots.
Warp insert = bad. I am sure that was a mistake.
My gripe about the ISS Enterprise: The Starfleet delta logo should have been replaced by the Empire logo on the exterior. Other than the ISS instead of USS on the saucer section, there would be no way to distinguish this ship from Pike’s Enterprise.
C’mon guys…I’ve worked in Maya and Max…I know swapping out image maps is NOT a big deal. And it doesn’t take a lot of time and money to make new maps and textures for the model.
There is a fan film (can’t remember which one) that had the ISS Enterprise and it looked perfect…at least the markings were.
THEETrekMaster
You have to remember that the dvd shots were factory made…the others were cheaply recorded by me-lol
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o27/James25485/PDVD_008.jpg
Old
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o27/James25485/PDVD_023.jpg
new
sorry guys and bals about not including the ‘leaving orbit’ shot, i’ve updated the reel it will be on youtube soon, i’ll be providing a link
Leaving orbit (old):
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o27/James25485/PDVD_016.jpg
Leaving orbit (new):
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o27/James25485/PDVD_035.jpg
okay here is the revisied visual efects reel for mirror, mirror
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYDZ_xekdF0
More distant shot (old):
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o27/James25485/PDVD_015.jpg
More distant shot (new):
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o27/James25485/PDVD_034.jpg
I think they used the old Enterprise because Kirk killed off Pike. So there would be no new refited Enterprise.
Majic Al?
your comment on the smudges in the episodes are for the most part true, but in fact okuda and his team ARE “trying” to get out the odd flicker or blemish in each frame of film, also remember, these…are…all…taken…from…the…original…camera…negative…itself!
For only the third time in the history of the original camera negative.
amazing fact.
and that shows what a vast improvement over the 2nd and 3rd generation copys we have been doled out…for seeming light years after viewing these great, but rather over quickly remastered imo episodes!
all the best,
Amy
I agree they do look very good, but the scratch on Spock’s reaction shot could have easily been fixed. I’ll forgive the end credits, but the rest should have been cleaned up.
Amy – Nice Xena video by the way. Very well done!
^65 Amy, for the most part you’re right, because they’re scanning the master copy of the episode and most of the footage which does not have optical effects is original camera negative. However any shot with an optical effect is at least second or third generation. The Halcon on the screen was one bit of film, the viewscreen set was another, and the combined image is a copy of both. Not camera negative.
Besides the composite of the Halcon on the viewscreen, other shots suffering from generational loss are those bookending the scene of the Mirror Kirk being tossed in the brig of the Good Enterprise, because an optical “flip” transition is used to move between universes. There’s a noticable drop in image quality from when Kirk says, “On our Enterprise” before the flip effect and throughout the shot after. The film before and after the flip is not the camera negative because it had to be copied to film the flip effect. Same thing with “Power? I can get that for you!” and the immediately following shot (another flip transition).
George Lucas redid all the wipe transitions in the original Star Wars films by really going back to the original negatives and rebuilding the edits. That’s not being done with Star Trek. Star Trek generally uses dissolves rather than wipes but the problem is the same, the original editors lost a generation when they filmed the dissolve effects. Notice that new dissolves to CG shots are taking place earlier than the corresponding music cues because the editors are covering up the original dissolves. If they had the original camera negative of a dissolve-out shot the timing of the dissolve wouldn’t change and the image quality would improve.
^ Oops, I shouldn’t say they’re scanning the master COPY, it’s the original film of the episode they’re scanning. My point was that not all the cuts in the original assembled film consist of camera negative because some of the shots are optical effects.
FOR THIS VERY REASON, I MAKE SURE TO TELL MY STUDENTS IN MY FILM CLASSES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GENERATIONS OF NEGATIVES.
LOL
This is exactly why….
They are NOT using the original, in the camera, unaltered, negative. If they were every FX shot would have to be redone, the audio would have to be re-synced, reclipped, scrubbed, and no dissolve would be worked over, etc…
They have to be using the “release print” or the final revision of the episode still on film. That’s why the dissolves are the way they are.
I have to give them an overall “B-”
I wish they had gone to the “original” in-camera negative ad used the company that restored Star Wars to do the clean up work and Eden FX for the new FX.
But we take what we can get. :(
I doubt the “camera negative” is still in existence. Anyone know?
I am really starting to think that we are simply getting a “taste” of these remastered episodes and the finished product aon DVD will have everything finalized and cleaned up, including viewscreen composites, Titles and end credits, hand phaser effects and other missed opportunities to enhance certain shots, i.e. clouds and distant landscape features on the soundsatge planet sets.
They simply don’t have the time to do all that they would like to do. I am truly looking forward to the finished product of TOS in 16X9 on DVD.
They really should have done something with the fake sky on the planet. This was a real disappointment. They could have forgotten the agonizer and agony booth (to save time) and focussed on real stand-out problem, which was the limitation of the soundstage.
I guess this is why the hand phaser fx haven’t been touched up…without the original negatives, there’s no way to “re-animate” them…at least without drawing over phaser beams and then adding the effect on top of that. Sounds like that might take a long time to do…
Just a quick follow up to Al’s and Sean4000’s excellent explanation of camera neg versus answer print (or broadcast print):
All dissolves and fades are first generation effects accomplished at the lab that creates the answer prints using the A/B roll negs. They are not optical effects (no optical printer was used, so no generational film loss.)
So theoretically, any dissolves or fades should look just as clean as any other non-optical shots.
These remastered shows are likely re-doing dissolevs and fades not because of quality issues, but because of time issues – they need to trim 9 minutes per show – so every little bit helps.
I recall hearing in an interview that they ARE scanning the original camera negative, in at least some of the shots. It’s a 40 year old show. Even if the camera negatives are still around, I’d bet that some of them have been lost over the years. But the guy in the interview did say that at least some of it is being used.
I remember reading, back in the early 90s that new prints were struck from the original 35 mm negatives for a new round of syndication – this was to coincide with the re-newed interest created by TNG.
I would imagine that these were the original camera negs – but who knows? Any one?
No idea.
Nowadays, the BEST method for film production is the 4K work flow, a.k.a. the Digital Intermediate. Immediately after the scenes are FILMED, this is ONLY for film, the freshly developed negative is scanned in at 4096X3112. 4096 pixels across hence the name 4K. The animators work with lossless methods and manipulate the 4K image which can them be burned back to film. That resolution is what was determined to be indistinguishable from film res. Of course, this is 2006, not 1966 so they would have had no idea what to do.
Also, the 4K format is what Lowry digital images, now DTS digital images, used when restoring the Original Star Wars Trilogy. I have my doubts as to whether or not they even had use of the “camera” negative. Why would the FX shots still look like garbage mats?
As with the new Star Trek endeavor, who know what they are using. All I can say is I will buy them when they are released on blu ray.
The Enterprise flyby scene transition qualifies as a “huh?” moment.
I noticed it was the ship flyby from the opening, might have been to cover an edit.
-cs™
Um, have any of you been to the Smithsonian?
The reason that they used the ‘pilot’ version of the Enterprise likely had NOTHING AT ALL to do with trying to make the alternate universe ship look different. They wanted to show the Enterprise orbiting the planet in the opposite direction and the studio model for the production episodes was only “finished” on the starboard side! On the rare occasion that they showed the “port” side of the Enterprise (like in Friday’s Child), they’d just “flip the film” making it appear as though they filmed the port side. But because the shot of the alternate universe ship was a close-up, they couldn’t flip the film, or all of the wording and lettering would have been backwards. The only other model that they would have been able to use (and could have been filmed from the port side) was the one from the pilot!
RE: the many comments made about how dark the last several epsidoes have been. I have noticed this too and I find it troubling. I hope this is something can be fixed without having to re-do the entire transfers.
It very much looks like the effect I am left with when I transfer VHS video to DVD. The quality appears to improve slightly, but the image is much darker. I brightly lit scenes there is no problem, but in very dark scenes much of what should be visable is obscured.
Anybody else notice some weird grayish halo around Kirk and Marlena in the Kirk’s quarters scenes? What’s up with that?!
TTM
Actually as far as not being able to show it up close because the lettering would be backward I have read that they actually reversed the decal itself and would flip the frame so it would look right. Not sure in what instnaces this was done (allthough I thought I had heard Mirror, Mirror was one) I have seen a picture of the model with a reversed decal on the warp nacelle.
#82: That’s Kirk’s mojo :)
Here it is actually, scroll down to about the middle of the page. Pretty sure this is what was done in Mirror, Mirror.
http://www.startrekhistory.com/restoration/bluescreen.html
Re: #85
That shot of where she is next to the Botany Bay is beautiful.
Too bad we never got to see all that beauty in the original FX.
BTW, if anybody knows where to get TOSR online EMAIL me.
martymulder2002@yahoo.com.
Finally, saw it, as it is shown Sunday night here. The Enterprise Warp flyby is a definite “WTF?” moment. It’s a baffling error. Enjoyed the episode, but how can you go wrong with such a classic episode? Again, felt that that it wasn’t pushed enough… No Imperial Emblem on Hull, the edit *goof*… :)
Regarding the mirror emblems. I’d rather it have no imperial emblems, than have those gaudy paint schemes and emblems used on ENTERPRISE. I think ENT went too far in that respect. The NX-01 looked more like a toy than anything else during “In A Mirror Darkly”. There is a fine line and CBS-D did not cross it here, thankfully.
That being said – retouching planetary backdrops would be nice *ahem*.
Also, does anyone know when and on what channel TOSR plays in the Palm Springs, CA broadcast area?
Frankly, I think they used the flyby on purpose as part of the editing process, since they were taking Kirk from one scene in one place on the ship, to another scene in his quarters. They only way to do it was to use a “classic moment” as the transition…kinda like back in the days of Batman when they used the Batman emblem with the little music cue to go from scene to scene. In some ways it’s rather funny that they thought they (the editors) could get away with this, in other ways…it’s frightening! I’m sure it won’t be in the uncut version.
Here is The USS Enterprise As She Hangs In The Smithsonian, I took these years ago.
http://kelvington.com/Ent.htm
#33 what a hoot….i never laughed so hard..lol
I was there a few years ago. The ship was restored, and moved to a special display in the gift shop – at eye level. While you cansee the model in great detail, pics are very tough because it is behind plate glass (for obvious reasons).
Whiny Nitpicker Alert: This comment is going to be full of them so if they bug you, skip this post.
First off as others have stated, the Halkan planet set, one of the “stagiest” of Treks stage sets, has always been a pet peeve. They spent the time and effort on “Catspaw” to give us a wonderful expanded shot of the castle so having established that as a precedent, why not do the same here, along these lines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6yOHeISvTI
Mine is a crude, amatuer effort, obviously, but the intent can be seen. Given the advanced skills and equipment of these professionals, couldn’t they have come up with something?
Next, the coloring of the Halkan planet seems very odd, sort of like a quickly colorized Earth model. The vaguely defined color regions don’t appear to conform to any internal logic and were, for me, very distracting.
The MU Enterprise was likewise quite flat and unintersesting. Some subtle markings, apart from the “blink and you’ll miss it” I.S.S. would have been nice. And the now infamous “warp flyby” was a huge error in dramatic judgement, obviously intentional, given that it overlapped with dialog. Distracting and slapdash.
On the plus side, the agonizer effects were quite good, a nice subtle addition, and the closing shot of the Enterprise leaving orbit was also very good. Overall, this was a C- effort on an A+ episode, making all the deficiencies that much more annoying, again for me at least.
I like the video Lao3D. This is exactly the kind of thing I wish they would do for all the set planets
Create back drops and clouds. It seems to me there is a lot of FX they could do and obviously as we all now know time is against them to do a lot of them. I just hope they really do go back and make the changes most o us on here would like to see.
There is just so much they could do. Animate the view screen to tie in with the episodes more, Animate some of the lifeless aliens faces e.g the Gorn. Extend some of the planet set and add some back drops etc…
I guess the harden Trek purest would be dead against this saying it would be changing it beyond recognition, but I don’t think it would. The stories should NOT be messed with I agree with that, keep the look of ship and Aliens the same but just update so they move more realistic movement and maybe improve skin tones and texture on some of the rubber looking Aliens.
The klingons DON’T need to be touched because of the Enterprise story, which I thought was a good effort reason for the different look. It will be really disappointing for me if they only do half the Job on this project. I hope they do take the time to get this right and do all these things most of us want to see.I would wait another couple of years if that was what it meant, for them to get it right before a DVD release.
To paramount and CBS I would say this. Its worth the extra cost and effort, after all you are Remastering this Classic great programme in a effort to get a new generation to watch it and I believe doing ALL of these things will increase the chance of a newer generation of fans to sit down and watch these great stories.
Apparently the was a line cut from the original space seed about revisiting Khan as it would be interesting to see how he had got on. If the still had that on the original film some where that would be worth putting in. but I would never suggest changing any of the stories.
Just the effects. Some so what I have seen of this site and Startrek.com looks absolutely brilliant and I take my hat off to CBS for that but there is some much more they could do to each episode. I only hope they do go back and finish it off as this project to the highest standard as it deserves to be treated and that there is nothing they or us the fans can look back and say if only they etc…
Lao3D, I respect and applaud your effort in enhancing the scene. The result behind a big studio undertaking could be amazing, but it might anger the purists and it definitely would cost quite a bit of dough.
Thanks Gp and Holo J. I agree, they need to take the time to get it right, and for the most part they have been doing just that. After being pleasantly surprised at the time and money they’ve clearly spent on some of Trek’s arguably “lesser” shows (i.e. “Catspaw” castle, Norman’s stomach from “I, Mudd,” etc.) I guess my hopes were raised they’d do something more with one of Trek’s best and most influential episodes.
After reading the info in the website in post #85, the alternate universe ship does look like it’s the larger 11-foot model of the Enterprise. I have the DVD version of the episode, and after running the episode in stop-motion mode, you can see a faint outline on the decal on the warp nacelle indicating it was likely a reverse shot.
That then leads me to believe that the actual photography of the “alternate universe” Enterprise is an old, previously unused shot of the Enterprise (with the Halken planet matted in behind it) to show the Enterprise running in the opposite direction.
The two reasons that I believe this are as follows:
1) Star Trek had a fairly low budget, and making new optical effects was (and still is) expensive. They only showed the ship running in the reverse direction once – during the transition – and what we were allowed to see appears to be only a small segment of a larger shot.
2) The “alternate universe” Enterprise looks like the pilot episode ship (or at the very least, the version used in “Where No Man Has Gone Before”. After all of the modifications that had been made to the ship (new nacelle caps, lowered bridge, etc.) why would the Star Trek crew pay anyone to “restore” the Enterprise model to its “older configuration”? Again, we’re talking about a budget strapped TV show…
#90. Kelvington–
Great pics. I remember the first time I went to the Smithsonian on an 8th grade school trip, I practically galloped though the Air & Space to find the Enterprise. None of my friends understood why I was so excited to be there. I basically sat and looked over the model for about 45 minutes. I hear the Spirit of St. Louis was there too. Oh well.
Oh and the gift shop had a very nice looking finished movie Enterprise model in a display case (I think it was an Ertl kit). I offered the manager all my cash for it (like $100) and he turned me down. I’m still recovering from that rejection.
Ref. #93…I like your Halkan planet…well done…
“Regarding the mirror emblems. I’d rather it have no imperial emblems, than have those gaudy paint schemes and emblems used on ENTERPRISE. I think ENT went too far in that respect. The NX-01 looked more like a toy than anything else during “In A Mirror Darkly”.”
Meh…I liked it. Looked very militaristic.
I was expecting a similar look in Mirror, Mirror Remastered. So sue me.
Just changing the USS to “ISS” was lame. Not enough, in my opinion.
THEETrekMaster
“Here is The USS Enterprise As She Hangs In The Smithsonian, I took these years ago.
http://kelvington.com/Ent.htm”
Excellent shots. Gee…notice how it has BLUEISH cast to it?
Also, those pics were taken before the early 90’s “restoration” which basically RUINED the model for all eternity with all that gawdy weathering and terrible grid lines!
That person should be slapped (like Parmen in Plato’s Stepchildren forced Kirk to do to himself..LOL!!!) for that. LOL!!!
Meant to say the person that “Restored” the miniature should be slapped (like Parmen in Plato’s Stepchildren forced Kirk to do to himself..LOL!!!) for that. LOL!!!
Just wanted to make that clear. ;-)
THEETrekMaster
100 % Agreed, lol. The perpetrator of the gridline vandalism at the Smithsonian should do some serious time in the Agony Booth, maximum duration!
There’s been discussion of late by a bunch of prop guys to re-restore the E model to its late second/third season glory- accurately. It needs it, BADLY.
Hope they get the chance.
What’s ironic is that the current digital CBS model now looks MORE “accurate”
than what is on display in the Smithsonian!
Nitpick over Mirror, Mirror: The Mirror Ent. should have the big lighted “windows” on the taller bridge dome, I think. (Check the IDIC Page.)
Love the nacelle spikes. Domes should have been depicted a little darker with more of a “glossy” finish, but I’ll let ‘em slide.
Not sure if I missed it or what, but wasn’t there supposed to be something on this site about a tour of CBS Digital? Am I just not finding it? I thought it was supposed to be up last weekend. Just wondering.
Last I heard, Anthony is hard at work on the article… I can’t wait to see it myself… :)
“100 % Agreed, lol. The perpetrator of the gridline vandalism at the Smithsonian should do some serious time in the Agony Booth, maximum duration! ”
ROTFLMAO!!! Absolutely maximum duration! Then after that, lashing with the Vulcan Anh woon…LOL!!!
I actually went to the Trek exhibit back in ‘92 (?) and when I saw what they did to that glorious piece of television history, I felt like someone had mistreated my kid.
I was pissed off and couldn’t believe it. I was like, WTF??!! Still, I was glad to see all the other stuff so I quickly got over it…but still…when I see pictures of what that person did it still ticks me off.
So sad.
The Smithsonian needs to HIRE Greg Jein to come in and TRULY restore it to its full glory. He’s a fan. I am sure he’d like to see this travesty reversed.
THEETrekMaster
“What’s ironic is that the current digital CBS model now looks MORE “accurate”
than what is on display in the Smithsonian!
Nitpick over Mirror, Mirror: The Mirror Ent. should have the big lighted “windows” on the taller bridge dome, I think. (Check the IDIC Page.) Love the nacelle spikes. Domes should have been depicted a little darker with more of a “glossy” finish, but I’ll let ‘em slide.”
Agreed!!
I thought the model itself was great. Just wish they would have put some effort into the mapping…
But every Enterprise on Remastered has kicked the shit out of the poor abused original miniature that was vandalized at the Smithsonian by that regulan bloodworm with a can of black spraypaint! LOL!!
I swear, if I had been working at the Smithsonian and THAT came back to me…I think I would be in jail right now.
Top News of the Day: “Man Murdered for Vandalizing Star Trek Spaceship”. Story at ten!
LOL!! Just kidding about the murder part, but you get my drift…LOL!!!
THEETrekMaster
“There’s been discussion of late by a bunch of prop guys to re-restore the E model to its late second/third season glory- accurately. It needs it, BADLY. Hope they get the chance.”
Yeah it needs it…BADLY! What’s in there right now is the equivalent of the Mona Lisa with a mustache painted on it with a Sharpie!
THEETrekMaster
I’m the first one in line when it comes to wanting tweaked cycloramas on the planet sets. However, I’m also a realist. You can accomplish great things with time and money…when you have neither it’s nothing more than a miracle that we are getting what we are getting. Maybe CBS will pony up the cash for the eventual DVDs to have these extra changes added but for now, all things considered, I’m very VERY happy to have what what we’re getting.
He who defiled the Starship Enterprise!
http://edmiarecki.com/Formatting/re01.html
What a mess.
“He who defiled the Starship Enterprise!
http://edmiarecki.com/Formatting/re01.html
What a mess.”
Can we press charges of indecency against this vandal? LOL!!!
I submit a request for Court Martial. Starfleet style.
THEETrekMaster
Some more “restored” pics of the Enterprise on this page. Actually, this page is a pretty cool collection of links.
http://meshula.net/daystrom/1701/1701_1.html
“I’m the first one in line when it comes to wanting tweaked cycloramas on the planet sets. However, I’m also a realist. You can accomplish great things with time and money…when you have neither it’s nothing more than a miracle that we are getting what we are getting. Maybe CBS will pony up the cash for the eventual DVDs to have these extra changes added but for now, all things considered, I’m very VERY happy to have what what we’re getting.”
Oh, trust me…I am happy. What they have done is ten times better than the old FX. I just wish they did more…I’m a remastering glutton. :-)
One thing I hope to see is when we see planetscapes (like Eminiar VII) is that we will see CGI cities and activity in the cities…not just a model landscape. I’d like to see thing flying around, people walking, etc…you know, like a real city would have.
THEETrekMaster
Very very cool link on that last one, Adam!
Wow that re-done version of the Enterprise at the Smithsomian is absolutely terrible.
I guess we can blame this Ed Miarecki guy. Those smears on the engine pylons are ridiculous!!
The whole thing is terrible.
But the big spider web airbrushed on the top and bottom of the saucer section…GAG!!! I mean…it’s just a travesty. Where does one even begin?
TMM
Thanks THEETrekMaster.
If you guys notice on the side-views of the primary hull, the grid lines are uneven on the lower half! How can you do gridlines to begin with, but even worse, be so sloppy that they are unevenly spaced? It is the Smithsonian’s model, so they’re the ones responsible. Ed Miarecki, if he had any respect for the ship and her history, should have talked the museum out of the project or at the very least done a halfway decent job in making it “weathered.” This ship needs to be restored for real. Someone suggested Greg Jein, and I agree.
great, sufferin’ catfish, martha! i like this stuff, too, but do people have to get so bent out of shape over a few gridlines?
Grid lines? I never saw these updated shots before from the Smithsonian, sweet baby Jesus, this is terrible. What does this guy work for Lucas or something? Talk about raping your child hood memories. And the guy is actually smiling at his work!!!
I’m completely in shock here. Who thought this was a good idea? Be grateful CBS didn’t like the grid lines or they could be on the episodes we are watching now.
This is an abomination against man and god! Who is responsible for this? They must be made to suffer! I can’t believe they actually allowed this to occur? Let’s storm the place and fix the model. LOL
Restoration is futile.
“Grid lines? I never saw these updated shots before from the Smithsonian, sweet baby Jesus, this is terrible. What does this guy work for Lucas or something? Talk about raping your child hood memories. And the guy is actually smiling at his work!!!”
Yeah, he’s got this “Heheheh…I raped your childhood smile on his face”. I think he should be tried for war crimes.
LOL!!
No, but seriously…how could anyone not be upset about this sloppy restoration job? Some dude further up the post chain was acting like we were being unreasonble…to him I say: What kind of fan are you that would let the pride of Starfleet be treated in this heinous manner and not have it bring a tear to your eye?
You call yourself a fan…yet act apart! Shame on you! You should be placed in the booth at maximum setting and lashed with the Ahn Woon severely just like Ed MiraWRECKY!
THEE TrekMaster
“Grid lines? I never saw these updated shots before from the Smithsonian, sweet baby Jesus, this is terrible. What does this guy work for Lucas or something? Talk about raping your child hood memories.”
I shot like two rolls of film when I was there for the ‘92 exhibit. I try not to look at the shots of the Enterprise model because it enrages me to do so.
I like the shots of the model as it was before MiraWRECKY got his grubby little airbrush of doom after it.
TTM
Stanky McFibberich, now you’ve gone and pissed off THEE Trekmaster — I’d hate to be you right now…
The 1701 is in the Smithsonian for a reason — Star Trek and its images have become some of this century’s most recognized pop culture icons. I think it should be accorded the same respect with which we treat other works of art. And seeing it look like it came out on the losing end of an argument with a can of Krylon is unacceptable.
“Stanky McFibberich, now you’ve gone and pissed off THEE Trekmaster — I’d hate to be you right now…”
To the booth with Stanky! LOL!!! And let me find my Ahnn Woon…4 leather straps of pain! LOL!!!
THEETrekMaster
“And seeing it look like it came out on the losing end of an argument with a can of Krylon is unacceptable”
ROTFLMAO!!!! Oh man…wiping tears of laughter from my eyes…
LMAO!!!
TTM
I liked the fact that CBS Digital went with the pilot version of the Enterprise for the mirror starship, but I was a wee bit disappointed that they didn’t take the opportunity to add at least *one* Imperial sword-and-planet logo *somewhere* on the model.
The abrupt insert of the original F/X of the Enterprise at warp 8 was inexcusable sloppiness, unfortunately. CBS Digital obviously needs to hire a quality assurance analyst, because I can’t imagine that this particular editing choice was deliberate (if they needed a transition shot for syndication they could have easily reused one of the other new CGI shots).
Lao3D, I thought your concept for the opening shot in the teaser was brilliant… and contrary to what some other people in here are saying, I *don’t* think it would have cost a fortune to do it right. Heck, I might try my hand at it myself to see if it’s do-able on a shoestring budget.
All in all, a great episode marred by the usual brutal edits for syndication, some downright sloppy editing, and a couple of missed CGI opportunities. C-.
“I liked the fact that CBS Digital went with the pilot version of the Enterprise for the mirror starship, but I was a wee bit disappointed that they didn’t take the opportunity to add at least *one* Imperial sword-and-planet logo *somewhere* on the model.”
Yeah, especially given the fact that the logo appeared at least once on nearly every wall or door of the ship…you know it would have been on the outside somewhere — at least once — probably on the pylons, the secondary hull AND the saucer section top…and maybe two on the bottom…I mean you can tell the Imperials liked that logo because it was ubiquitous on the inside.
THEETrekMaster
Lao3D #93 Your opening shot on Halka is PERFECT. I just can’t understand why the purple cloth hanging in the soundstage are not being looked at for enhancements by the TOSR team. While your clip is a crude version it makes a huge point to the TOSR team that this kind of thing should be done. Great job!!!!
Lao3D, how long did it take you to put together that opening shot?
In modern prop history, Ed Miarecki has been a really prolific and talented guy who has actually worked in incarnations of Trek and produced versions of props by adding his own signature details to them. I’m not one to bash him, but IMHO, he went too far with the Big E.
I might add that if you look at Greg Jein’s T&T Enterprise, you’ll see some liberties with grid lines and innaccuracies that he perpetrated as well.
So, what the original 11-footer needs is LOTS of careful research done (easy now- ’cause it’s all on the web) before an airbrush is even touched.
Well the thing is, Greg’s inaccuracies were quite a bit more subtle…Ed’s just jump out there and slap ya they are so loud.
Amen to that!
And Thanks Scott and Horn! Scott I would love to see someone such as yourself who actually has 3D skills put something together. New Horizon, I spent roughly two hours in Photoshop and Apple’s Motion software to cobble together how I thought it could work. It didn’t seem insurmountable, if one actually had proper 3D software and skills to create the matte painting and do the matchmove stuff with the live footage. And they spent the money to do similar work on Arena, Devil in the Dark, Catspaw, etc. so why not here? (I know I’m starting to sound like a broken record on that point, so I’ll shut up now!).
Here’s a sad little tidbit:
The original model had these nifty little meaningless details, as shown here:
http://members.aol.com/IDICPage3/DoNotRead.html
When Miarecki did the restoration, he (in addition to doing an ugly job weathering the model) erased those little details! He claims they were not original to the model from Paramount. It turns out that when Paramount sent the model to NASM, it was pretty shabby, worst of all the original nacelle caps were removed. Look at these pics:
http://members.aol.com/IDICPage2/garber.html
And therefore, a couple of renovations were done, one in the 70s, one in the 80s and then one terrible one in the 90s (the Miarecki paintjob from hell).
Heck, I’ll stop being coy about it– go to this site if you want to see rare photos of TOS Enterprise model and other ships:
http://members.aol.com/IDICPage/enterprise.html
It’s a great time-consuming website. Enjoy!
Yeah, that’s true…there were other restorations prior…but Miarecki just made it all much worse.
Add me to the list of people who found that Enterprise flyby transition baffling…yet it’s almost cool in its Batman/Man from UNCLE retro style. Just weird they’d go with the original effects shots (which still look cool!). The only other thing that is really starting to drive me crazy are the fade-in to effects shots that just plays hell with the music edits; it is truly jarring. I wrote a book on Trek music so it’s incredibly frustrating to see the impact of some of TV’s greatest underscoring be so undermined…
# 84 – Best comment on the whole site (which I love, btw) to date!
i stand corrected. please forgive me. being in that booth is agony.
Hi Jeff,
You are the FilmScoreMonthly guy, right? :-)
Excellent site…excellent products…thanks for all you guys do!
Do you know how we could FINALLY get some third Season TOS scores on CD? Spock’s Brain, Enterprise Incident and Elaan of Troyius immediately come to mind. I wish Silver Age had a way to negotiate a contract with Paramount for the rights to these scores. To me, it’s just a crime they haven’t been available.
THEETrekMaster
#138 Stanky, you have risen in rank! All is forgiven…:-)
THEETrekMaster
136 That’s an interesting point, which all us visual junkies have probably glossed over. Now they’ll have to do a Star Trek: Rescored edition, damn them!
And did you used to write for FSM? Or do you still?
Jeff Bond said: “The only other thing that is really starting to drive me crazy are the fade-in to effects shots that just plays hell with the music edits; it is truly jarring.”
If you are referring to the jarring cross-dissolves between live action footage and the new CGI visual F/X, I’m afraid that there is not a lot that the CBS Digital editors can do in those situations. They’re trying to cover up the old cross-dissolves between the live action and the *old* visual F/X, which means that the new CGI shots have to start sooner. Unfortunately, this often means that you’ll see the Enterprise (which is usually what we’re cross-dissolving towards) onscreen well before the “hero music” is cued up, which ruins the smooth transistion between scenes.
If CBS Digital had access to the original negatives, they could simply create new cross-dissolves that have the same duration and start/stop points as the old episodes… these increasingly awkward transitions to the new CGI F/X prove that CBSD does *not* have access to such footage.
After all these years, I had never realized that the pilot Enterprise was all that much different than the series one (aside from the spinning caps). I feel like such a fool for not even knowing about the spikes, or the taller dome. I have never really obsessed over that, but usually I have a decent eye for details and to have missed that is crazy. It has been great visiting all of the sites that have this information, so thanks to those who have posted those links. I’m having a great time with this.
The titles still have that opera singer blaring above the music. Not good.
About having to fade the new cgi in earlier so it doesn’t match the music cue. I was looking at one and it seems from that one they could have done it by just extending it a small bit. I they go into the turbolift, there were no other people in the shot why could they not have just extended it a second or so and then fade to the new effect at the right time?
Its just the one I noticed the sound was a little off from in T&T. They may have had to complete the turbolift doors closing but I wouldn’t think that would be too difficult plus it was fading out so It probably wouldn’t be noticed. While I haven’t looked at many to see if this would be possible I was just wondering.
I agree, #144, that the vocals should be toned down on the theme. The rendition is fine, but should be mixed at a lower level to blend in with the instrumentals like the original.
i kind of like the vocal standing out more. oops, back to the agony booth for me!
REMASTERED TREK RULZZZ! MIRROR MIRROR IS AWESOME! LIVE LONG AND PERSPIRE.
#147 HAHAHAHA!!! Indeed back to the booth for this one! LOL!!! Nah, I don’t mind the theme song as it is now, although my wife said “I like the old version better”. It’s just going to take some time to get used to the louder vocalist.
TTM
“No Sweat” #148 Smartguy
That Marlena Moreau melts my socks. I wish they had continued to use her on occasion, since we see her as a crew member at the end of the episode. I guess it would have been difficult to include her just because I think she is a babe.
> They simply don’t have the time to do all that they would like to do. I am truly looking forward to the finished product of TOS in 16X9 on DVD.
Which they would have to cut away 1/4 of the picture to do – there’s little or no width beyond what you see in the 4:3 picture since they weren’t filming in 16:9, so the only way to get a 16:9 picture is to hack away at the top and bottom.
Just imagine what a furor that would cause if they “hacked off” the top and bottom to achieve 16:9. If you have a wide screen TV you could set it to “Panorama” and stretch it out to 16:9, which would be better than having a bunch of the top and bottom cut off. With panorama, the middle is stretched out less than the sides, making it not seem quite as distorted as leaving it on the widescreen setting. I prefer it to having the bars on both sides, though in certain scenes the distortion is more evident than others.
They could always put the infuriating Star Trek 2.0 stuff on the margins of the 16 x 9 screen!
To the agony booth I go!
I agree on the preserving of the original viewing format. Star Trek TOS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager were filmed on 35mm film and mastered in 4:3 video. That is the ratio we have come to love and that’s the way it should stay, effects and all.
Enterprise was shot on film and mastered in High-Def 16:9 for the first 3 seasons then shot digitally for the 4th.
“That Marlena Moreau melts my socks. I wish they had continued to use her on occasion, since we see her as a crew member at the end of the episode. I guess it would have been difficult to include her just because I think she is a babe.”
She was HOT!!!
TTM
Oh yeah, agreed !!! 100%
11.13.2006
“Mirror, Mirror” Mix-up Leads to Fix-up!
A note from Mike Okuda, Denise Okuda and Dave Rossi:
A friend was kind enough to e-mail us a note about the editorial error in last weekend’s airing of the Star Trek: Remastered version of “Mirror, Mirror.” It seems that somehow, a warp flyby shot was inserted into the episode, when the ship should have been orbiting the Halkan planet.
This may seem minor to some, but as many fans online have observed, the shot in question was a dumb mistake, one that we should not have made. We all do know the difference between warp speed and orbiting a planet. We won’t bore you with the details of how we all turned blind and how we all failed to catch the slip-up, but we will tell you that we are taking steps to reduce the chances of it happening again. (We’d love to say it will never happen, but that’s a dangerous promise to make, especially when human beings are involved.)
Fortunately, as soon as folks here became aware of the mistake, everyone jumped into action. A revised version is being prepared and will be used in future syndicated airings of Star Trek: Remastered. Believe it or not, this is a fairly time-consuming and expensive process because of all of the different versions of the show that have to be re-edited and replaced. Still, we think it is a measure of CBS Paramount’s respect for Star Trek that no one has questioned the need for the fix or complained about the costs involved. The correction will happen this week, although at least some stations will probably air the uncorrected version this weekend.
We apologize to all of the fans who caught our mistake, and we thank everyone for your interest in Star Trek: Remastered. We love Star Trek, too, and we hope you keep watching!
Best,
– Mike Okuda
– Dave Rossi
– Denise Okuda
Editor’s note: For this syndication master, the shot in question was inserted soon after Kirk’s confrontation with Chekov in the corridor. In the original full-length version, as you can see on DVD, the corridor scene just dissolved into Kirk’s Quarters, with no transitional ship shot. In the syndicated version that just aired, the intent was to edit out the first couple of minutes of the Kirk’s Quarters scene to eliminate some redundant dialogue, and use a ship shot as a transition to cover this edit. Thanks to the Okudas and the Rossi for clarifying this to us and the fans. They are forgiven!
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/34195.html
Yep, Marlena was hot! But you know Kirk was never a one woman guy. ;)
I too enjoyed following a lot of the links out. And, indeed, that restoration job was badly done… it looks like bad t-shirt airbrush work! I think there was some rationale for the grid work, but poor execution means poor results.
Lao3D that was great work on the planet skyscape! I hope the folks at CBS digital take your suggestion. It would add greatly to the remastered episodes.
So, this was really editorial boo, boo… not the FX team, right? And likely, redundant dialouge will be back for the DVD-etc. release, hmmm? ;)
“Yep, Marlena was hot! But you know Kirk was never a one woman guy. I too enjoyed following a lot of the links out. And, indeed, that restoration job was badly done… it looks like bad t-shirt airbrush work! I think there was some rationale for the grid work, but poor execution means poor results.”
Marlena was beyond hot, but Kirk was right to play the field when there was whole galaxy of hotties out there! LOL!!! Kara, the gal who stole Spocks Brain, was pretty hot too…LOL!!! Oh and the Romulan Commander from Enterprise Incident…oh, yeahhh…LOL!!
Ok, back to the Smithsonian Enterprise display. Yeah, sure…there was a rationale: “I’ve got an airbrush full of black paint and I have to USE IT ALL! (at full strength)” That was the rationale it seems…ugh. I hope that Mirawrecki guy isn’t coming to this site and reading this stuff…LOL!!!!
TTM
“A note from Mike Okuda, Denise Okuda and Dave Rossi:
A friend was kind enough to e-mail us a note about the editorial error in last weekend’s airing of the Star Trek: Remastered version of “Mirror, Mirror.” It seems that somehow, a warp flyby shot was inserted into the episode, when the ship should have been orbiting the Halkan planet.”
Mike, Denise, Dave…considering all the blood sweat and tears you guys put into this restoration project, I think one small editorial error is no big deal. Sure, fix it before it comes out on DVD, but I don’t think the error made or broke the viewing experience for anyone.
You can tell most of us really, really appreciate and admire what your team and CBS digital are doing.
It’s a dream come true for many Trek fans.
Thanks again for all that you do! Excellent work! And thanks for listening to us fans when we know you certainly could ignore us if you chose to!
Now, take my advice and do some really nice work with the planetscapes! ;-)
TTM
other hot babs include shana from gamesters of triskelon and that chick with docter roger corby (sherri jacksen) can’t rember her name on the show
Andrea. Mmmm…Andrea.
Yes, I’m the Jeff Bond from FSM–and I do hope to see more classic Trek out there someday–there’s lots of music left. FSM won’t be the one to release it if it happens though.
That’s a shame, Jeff…you guys do fabulous work!
The Logan’s Run discs, the Conquest of the Planet of the Apes disc…excellent stuff!
TTM
Hey Jeff,
That Varese Sarabrande release with Fred Steiner conducting suites from the show is awesome, as I’m sure you’re aware. I know it was supposed to be the first of a series- that was years ago.
Too bad- it blew away the GNP Crescendo stuff of the originals.
To Mike, Dave, and Denise- You guys are not only a class act but a shining example that the future of Trek is in good hands. Thanks!
-Donn
I have those suites…good stuff. But…I do prefer the original tracks over re-orchestrations. As Jeff said, there is a LOT of Trek Music that hasn’t been released on CD and considering all the Lost In Space music HAS been released (and don’t get me wrong, I love the music from Lost In Space) it’s just a travesty that all the TOS music isn’t available.
Someone is going to have to step up to the plate to make this happen.
THEETrekMaster
I’m absolutely agree with you on this point THEETrekMaster… I am lucky enough to have tracked down many a hard to find movie score on CD, and I too think that ORIGINAL versions are always the preferrered choice over re-orchestrations. I hope that MORE of the fantastic Original Star Trek underscores appear on CD release one day, and dearly hope that some of Fred Steiner’s evokative cues are somewhat referrenced in the upcoming Movie reboot SOUNDTRACK. They are a huge part of the Original Star Trek series experience for me.
Agreed, Cervantes!
I just hope it happens before I pass from this world to the next or at least still have my hearing.
It’s just ridiculous. Ther’e still money to be made off Trek….and soundtracks are one place where they would certianly get the money of people like you and me.
Oh, to DREAM they would use Fred Steiner’s cues!!!! Steiner was my favorite Trek composer. Gerald Fried a close second. I won’t hold my breath. At this point, I would just be happy if it’s thematic at all…and not just more Rick Berman style “sonic wallpaper”. We’ll see. TOS music gets dumped on a lot for being “campy”. But back when it was written it was NOT campy and I think that music works so well, because when you hear it, it evokes memories of specific scenes/episodes. The only modern Trek that does that for me are the scores for ST:TMP, STII:TWOK and TNG’s: The Best of Both Worlds (Ron Jones, another fine composer, he!).
I think David Arnold would be a great composer for Trek, because his work is very thematic. I love the Stargate soundtrack for example.
THEETrekMaster
To clarify my #167:
I was referring to the audio quality of the GNP Crescendo original tracks as inferior, NOT the content.
If anything, they should remaster the those original tracks properly to do them justice.
Did I type “evokative” when I meant “evocative”?…Damn all my rushed typos in the past, and any in the future too!…EVOCATIVE is a good word here, as that’s what I want this movie to sound like music-wise this time round.
While the late, great, Jerry Goldsmith did a tremendous score for the original big screen undertaking, NOTHING will ever be able to match some of the original cue bursts that peppered throughout the Original three Star Trek series…and to hear just the odd snatch of such evocative music from them included in the new movie would be wonderful.
I agree, but don’t hold your breath. LOL!!!