Comments on: “Mirror, Mirror” Remastered Goof [UPDATED]

By: Anthony Pascale

Anthony Pascale — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:15:38 +0000

I just want to point out that I have been told that the error wasn’t Sunset Digital either…which I have updated in the above article. So sorry Sunset

…and don’t ask where the error happened because I just dont know, but it wasnt CBS Digital or Sunset or the Affiliates.

I think it was Gremlins

By: neal

neal — Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:28:32 +0000

FIXED! They showed Mirror again, 2nd week in a row, here in Midwest, and apparently in other markets too. In this second showing, just 1 wk later, the goof was fixed. Instead of E at warp, we saw a briefer version of the ISS-E orbiting from right to left, a re-use of the same shot that earlier established the pilot-E in orbit. It looked great. I confirmed this with 2 Tivo recordings made of each showing.

By: Holo J

Holo J — Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:29:01 +0000

Micheal… I know they are doing their best and what they have been doing has been absolutely great! I also am aware they are on a budget, I guess I am hoping Paramount or whoever has given them that budget will give them some more to do these things. Its Just going to be a real shame if it looks unbalanced effects wise.

By: MichaelT

MichaelT — Fri, 17 Nov 2006 05:36:11 +0000

We all want it right, but there will always be errors…or what some people assume are errors.
Holo… I appreciate your enthusiasm, but you assume they are not trying to do a good job with this? The people doing this I can safely assume are doing their damdest and don’t like to have errors associated with their names. (see apology at the start of the story) and they do have a budget just as we all do.

By: Holo J

Holo J — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:03:19 +0000

I would gladly wait a few more years for them to go through each episode and look at ever thing really closely and see what could be updated and make it as good as it can be.
I like the fact the planets are getting a make over to be more representative of STRANGE NEW WORLDS, but surely the planets surfaces should also be in line with this.

I think on the episode “For the world is hollow and I have touched the sky” McCoy makes a comment that the inside of the asteroid looks just like a real planet Surface. SO I hope it really does eventually look like a planet surface as well as all the other sets that where used for a planet surfaces.

There is no excuse for not pulling out all the stops for this project , its well worth the money as I don’t think there is another Television programme out there that could compare to this one and the iconic status it has. If you are worried about changing the effects beyond recognition and annoying the Star Trek purest then what’s the point of this project in the first place because they already hate what you are doing. So PLEASE Don’t do half the Job, take you time to get them right.

By all means get them out each week as you can but please please, please go back and finish this to the highest standard you can.

By: Cervantes

Cervantes — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:58:37 +0000

I am generally very EXCITED about what CBS Digital has achieved thus far with it’s updated planets and NEW Enterprise, with it’s new angle shots…although I am one of the camp that likes LOTS of coloured starfields too…

But just to clarify…the team has actually done VARIOUS nice, unexpected touches that may, or may not, have been within their brief, and not necessarily the most obvious in need of work…but these ALL NEW effects have unfortunately only made certain dated effects look even WORSE now when you look at an episode as a whole!

To my mind, we know these are now ABLE to be improved with CGI technology, but the question is really WILL the powers that be put the time, budget, and effort into adding just that little more OOMPH! into this remaster before their eventual High Definition DVD release?

So ANTHONY…I for one would really like YOU to ask that question before the final High Definition DVDs are pressed for posterity…or at least a very long time anyway…ARE we going to get a little bit more than just mainly “spaceshot” improvements?

By: Cervantes

Cervantes — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:11:21 +0000

Agreed #43 Holo J

As someone who has also wished for certain amendments, over and above what we are currently getting, I absolutely now agree that this wonderfully unexpected update be done with even more attention.

Now I am someone who, I hate to admit, has ONLY JUST bought the original DVD releases, thanks to THIS site peaking my interest again…and I love each now dated episode dearly…BUT…I am suggesting that an OVERALL enhancement, within the bounds of reason, where CERTAIN obviously poor original effects, is surely not asking TOO MUCH when it comes to “setting them in stone” for their High Definition DVD releases is it?

I am saying that the original idea to upgrade this series of Original Star Treks “spaceshots” only, if true, is flawed, and SHOULD include hand phaser effects and backdrops too.

By: badboy1230

badboy1230 — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:59:55 +0000

I think that looks pretty good. And I’ll bet that see it moving will be even better.

By: Holo J

Holo J — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:34:41 +0000

I know this project started out as just redoing the space shots but I think it will be wasted opportunity if they do not go back and change all the bad and dated effects.
I remember reading somewhere, I think it was on the Star Trek website Dave Rossi said his nephew wasn’t interested in Star Trek cause of the bad effects. So they thought by doing this remastering they would reach a younger generation and be able to get them to tune into this programme now the effects were updated. Obviously it was not the only reason for doing this project but one of them. I just feel if they don’t go back and do all the effects the show will look unbalance effect wise.

You’ll have some great space shots and then you’ll have a rubber looking alien or a puppet. You’ll go from a nice new matt painting of a building with a dramatic sky back to the old sound stage with the flat colored sky that’s obviously in a studio which is meant to be on the same planet surface.
Don’t get me wrong I am loving what they are doing, I am just a bit frustraighted as to what they aren’t doing.

As a big fan of this TOS I have to hope they will do all theses things that other people on here and myself have been asking for eventually get done, but he reality is it might not happen because of either money or time constrains.

Things I would love to see on top of what they have been doing

1. Planet surface to have clouds and back drops
2 Aliens to get CGI make over, still look as they where intended, just animate them more add texture and skin colour.
3. Animate the view screen. On the bridge of the Enterprise
4. (one thing I hadn’t thought of until it was mentioned on her e the other day) Fix the bad hand phaser effects.

I know this would take time and a lot of money but I believe it would be well worth it in the long run. I would rather they took there time over this and got it 100% right than rush it and produce an unbalanced mixed bag of effects. I really hope all these things eventually get done and that this is infact a kind of test run that they are showing us now.

My nephew is the same as Dave Rossi’s he will not watch the original series because of the bad effects, I tried to tell him it was about the stories but he just couldn’t see past the effects. When I told him it was getting a make over he said he would be interested to see it. I know though if he saw the cool space scene then it cut to some cheesy looking alien or dull looking planet surface bad he would soon switch off again. Now I know its not just about getting a new generation of fans, it also for people who have loved it for years to see it afresh. And I love seeing and hearing what they are up to, but if the effects do not get the full works then I don’t know if I could justify buying these on DVD all over again. I do love the original effect and respect them for what they where but now is the time to really show us the 23rd century in all its glory.
I am not trying to slate you CBS, I am just hoping that you will do this right. You wouldnt be destroying the spirit of the show by updating all the effects as long as the stories are unaltered it showing respect. Plus we will always have the show in its original form. so go crazy, sod the cost and lets see what you have got!

Here is a link to the new Botany Bay… I think it look a bit more like a painting this week
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/mediaview?id=34396&episodeid=68708&count=-1

Hopefully it will look better on screen

By: Granger

Granger — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:20:00 +0000

#36: ety3 thanks for the link! Wonderfully weathered look to the old Botany Bay – it really does look like an old space freighter now.
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As for the ongoing discussion about the CBS Digital efforts vs CBS corporate funding, while I hope Okuda and the team are given the opportunity to revisit some of their efforts, I presume that budget realities will greatly restrict that sort of work. Nevertheless, I am in the same boat as TomBot2006 in #35 – I’ve never invested in any Star Trek DVDs, relying upon memories from years of daily reruns in the 1970s to suffice. But this remastered project has indeed awakened this slumbering (and now salivating) fan and I’ll be buying the high-def discs when they come out. But I wince when I consider also having to buy a new player and a better high-def TV to watch ‘em on!

Rushed or not, I’m delighted that we’re getting SOME high-quality improvements in the old girl…it is more than I ever expected considering how the Trek franchise collapsed at Paramount over the last few years.