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“Space Seed” Screenshots and FX Video November 19, 2006

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: TOS Remastered,TOS-R Screenshots/Video , trackback

Take a look at Star Trek’s ‘Space Seed’ Remastered…

 

As usual click pics to see full size, click more to see the rest and the video

New Effects Video


(wmv)

Before and After


Original Botany Bay


New listing Botany Bay


Original Ent approach


New Ent approach 


Original Ent tractoring Botany Bay 


New Ent tractoring Botany Bay


Original Ent discards Botany Bay


New Ent discards Botany Bay


Original Ent flyby


New Ent flyby


Original End Credits


New End Credits 

vid caps done by Joe, more screenies to be added later

Comments

1. patio - November 19, 2006

hmmm gotta love those invisible tractor beams

2. Jeyl - November 19, 2006

I liked how the “disgarding” of the Botany Bay looked. Totally worthless indeed. You do kind of feel sorry for it in a way. Been drifting like that for 200 years, and just when it gets picked up, it becomes a drift again. :(

3. S William - November 19, 2006

I’ve been watching these remastered episodes everyweek now, and I must say I’ve been impressed, even though things haven’t been firing on all cylinders when it comes to FX.

This week, however, the big E really looked awsome. I watch the show on a 53″ HDTV using the built in receiver to get the local Digital signal ( I can’t wait till they actually air these shows in HD). I really sensed the hugeness of the “Big E” this week. I don’t know if it was the angle of the shots or they got the lighting just right. It seems that each week things keep getting better.

4. Eric Augst - November 19, 2006

AMAZING JOB!!! CBS Digital did superb work. Enterprise looked more realistic and better than ever, and the Botany Bay was great. I loved the shot where the Enterprise comes right alongside the Botany Bay for the first time the most

5. trekmaster - November 19, 2006

Indeed invisible tractor beems seems to be more realistic.

6. Jay - November 19, 2006

I agree, I think the Enterprise looked great and so did the Botany Bay, but one thing keeps bugging me about the Enterprise. They left off the flashing “Ion pod” strobe lights on either side of the secondary hull back near the hangar deck, and also the “waterline” marks on the secondary hull are not there. Yes, this is nitpicking to the extreme, but to me it was little details like that that helped to give the Enterprise a sense of scale. CBS, please put those little details back if you can?? Please? Other than that, I’m loving these new effects!

7. The gospel truth - November 19, 2006

Good overall, but the closeup Botany bay shot looked a bit ‘video game CG’ to be honest.

8. Thomas Jensen - November 19, 2006

Yes indeed, it’s looking better. I’ve been watching this show for 40 years. And the new effects are certainly appreciated. Especially as the ship is looking more and more like a large model. Could something be added to the ship? Considering all intelligent opinions here, I’m persuaded it could so as well, but it is all looking better than it has recently.

A subject of discussion among many original fans was how great it would be if we could see the ship clearly. And now we can. Whew, took long enough! Anyway, the show that did it first, is showing what it might have looked like had the episodes all had 750,000 dollars for every episode. That’s 1969 dollars gentlemen! (Ok, this last part is just goofy postulation, based upon known figures for producing various episodes. :)

9. dmack - November 19, 2006

looked great to me. Cheers

10. The Gregster - November 19, 2006

I must agree with Jay’s #6 post. I understand removing from the 3D model those details that would not be visible anyway, was necessary to speed up production, but the remaining details (waterline numbers, flashing beacons, running lights) are important to include. There is also a lighted window just below the aft edge of the warp nacelle pylon on this episode that never appeared on the original 11 foot model. See the IDIC page link below and scroll to the bottom.

http://members.aol.com/WMccullars/74Enterprise.html

I realize that picking such small nits may well earn me a trip to the decompression chamber so may I say that overall the Enterprise looks terrific in this episode. The oft-maligned nacelle caps looked great this week. The rotating vanes appear more accurate and the “Christmas lights” are more faithfully rendered. BTW do not confuse me with Greg Stamper, whose posts are enjoyed and appreciated on this page

11. JON - November 19, 2006

CBS/Paramount probably could have made alot more money releasing these remastered episodes on video.20/20 hindsight.

12. Kyle Nin - November 19, 2006

I also noticed that the computer monitor screen (that Khan is reading in sickbay when McGivers comes in to talk to him) is lit up. I’m pretty sure that it wasn’t like that in the original version.

13. hitch1969© - November 19, 2006

awesome.

it was awesome.

=h=

14. Jay - November 19, 2006

Good catch Gregster, after looking at the IDIC page you can see what happened, that window that is at the bottom of the nacelle pylon is actually where one of the waterline marking is, they must have mistaken that for a darkened window. (http://members.aol.com/WMccullars/s_1.jpg)

In some of the original effects shots those little markings just look like black blobs and I can see how those could be confused with dark windows.

15. Not In Cardiff » Remastered for a reason - November 19, 2006

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16. DaggerMind - November 19, 2006

That “discarding scene” with the BB almost made me feel emotional about a spaceship. Good job! =D

17. Stanky McFibberich - November 19, 2006

Great stuff. Can’t wait until the next one.

18. Greg Stamper - November 19, 2006

#10 Ya gotta love “The Gregster” and this week’s Remastered effort of ‘Space Seed’ – – the Best the U.S.S. Enterprise has looked thus far.

19. TrekMD - November 19, 2006

This was the best remastered episode to date. The special effects were superb and the ship did look like it has mass. The close up scene with both ships is excellent and reminded me of the movies. Kudos to the folks at CBS digital. Clearly, the new model of the Enterprise has made a big difference for them.

20. JON - November 19, 2006

To the effects pros-Great work on the discarding scene.Somehow really conveys the attitude of casting off the botany bay and her problems by the grand and graceful enterprise.

21. DIL - November 19, 2006

Of course the ships look like CG, the real one are in my garage

22. Denny - November 19, 2006

I enjoyed this one alot. The new effects are improving all the time. Hopefully they’ll keep up the good work.

23. EBAR - November 19, 2006

Re: #10 Straight to the decompression chamber with you! I mean really, what is the point of noting such an insiginficant issue?

A few more like that and CBS Digital will rightfully start ignoring the otherwise constructive comments.

24. Axinar - November 19, 2006

Thanks for posting these again.

In the Cincinnati market, WCPO, Channel 9 not only J.I.P.ed “Trek:Remastered” a good 12 minutes into the show, but they ROLLED THE WRONG EPISODE – they ran “Mirror, Mirror” again instead of “Space Seed”.

I sure hope they get their act together and/or that it won’t be long until these start coming out on DVD.

For the most part I think the new FX have been REALLY excellent.

25. The Gregster - November 19, 2006

Will there be WMV of the FX shots for the other episodes that don’t have them and previews? I’d like to save them on my computer. If you guys could do that, I would greatly appreciate that. Thank you.

26. Adam Cohen - November 19, 2006

I can’t wait ’til 2:45AM (I’m in NY, where Trek fans are meant to suffer) to see this. It looks magnificent. The Enterprise looks… better than ever. I’ll post comments afterwards if I’m still awake.

27. Matt Wright - November 19, 2006

Man am I bummed I missed this episode…
The FX looks awsome!
kudos to CBS Digital

28. neal - November 19, 2006

this was a nice job. the rotation effect was a nice touch. the “weathering” was pretty good too.

29. Smitty - November 19, 2006

Anthony, I notice the old and new entendcred pic are the same url.

http://trekmovie.com/tosrem/spaceseed/entendcred_old1.JPG
http://trekmovie.com/tosrem/spaceseed/entendcred_old1.JPG

Great job on the screencaps, just wanted to point out the goof.

-cs™

30. seangh - November 20, 2006

I just hope that they have the budget to go back and fix the earlier CG Enterprise on the previous shows (Miri, Devil in the Dark, etc.)

31. TomBot2006 - November 20, 2006

Great shots of the Enterprise, it’s really looking good! :) Botany Bay is cool too. Really, think we might have passed a curve with the Big E!
Only thing that bothered me this episode was that laconic helmsman, who at times seemed bored of his ass. McCoy had some funny lines this episode. :)
Yippie, more, more!

32. DJT - November 20, 2006

okay…my opinions on Space Seed Remastered

Is it just me or does the new nacelle lighting look like christmas lights?

What happened to the blades? Weren’t they still there last week? I still haven’t decided which looks better, though.

Also, the Botany Bay looks way too CGI for me in some shots. In others it’s decent. I think the “weathering” could have been better rendered. The lines of the ship, especially the cargo containers should have been more defined.

I do have to say that the MOVEMENT of the ships has improved a lot. It is much more natural and fluid.

The Enterprise looks more …majestic every week..

33. Mark 2000 - November 20, 2006

Am I the only one who thought the Botany Bay’s surface looked flat like a video game. Not bump texture at all. Just terrible.

34. Treknically Speaking - November 20, 2006

#33: Mmm, the BB looked nice to me. Looked weathered and beaten up. Micrometeorites wouldn’t create huge blast holes, so I think they got that right. I liked how you could see through the mesh on the rectangular radar fins on the back as the ship passed in front of the Enterprise.

35. Cafe 5 - November 20, 2006

Great shot of the Enterprise in the opening it really looked sharp. The new
shots of the Botany Bay were a huge improvement over the original.

36. Scott of the Morgites - November 20, 2006

Every week the eye-candy factor gets sweeter and sweeter. “The Trouble With Tribbles” was a quantum improvement… quantum improvement. “Mirror, Mirror” made me reflect with a new appreciation of this forty year old gem.

And now… NOW the exterior space shots really sing. The Botany Bay looked terrific but the Enterprise looked… magnificent… majestic… splendid… grand… exalted… Josh, help me out, your the resident thesaurus-tician.

Great, great, great episode… one of the best ever done by Star Trek.

“The Menagerie” is next… I’ll be curious to see how Pike’s Enterprise will look in comparison to Kirk’s “mirror” Enterprise. I wonder if the folks at CBS Digital will give us four impulse vents?

Keep up the good work and keep on Trekkin’

37. Kahless - November 20, 2006

I thought the Enterprise looked awful in that “tractoring” scene,it still looks really fake and unconvincing.

38. Dr. Image - November 20, 2006

I thing the nacelle dome issue comes to an end with this episode.
They’ve, well, almost got it right.
Now, about the deflector dish- they could allow it to exhibit a LITTLE more of a red/copper value for my taste. Otherwise, the big E seems to have finally arrived.
I’m sort of afraid to think about “The Menagerie.” That’s my favorite ep. Hopefully they’ll get it right.

39. tronnei - November 20, 2006

I agree with the majority here; the GGI effects are pretty awesome in this episode.

But I’d like CBS to fix some flubs too. When the landing party first beams over to the Botany Bay, stock footage shows Scotty’s hands working the transporter controls–but Scott is on the transporter pad. Why not replace the stock footage with some other footage, or alter the existing shot in such a way as to mitigate the error? Seems to me CBS’s scope of duties with the remastering project should include these types of minor corrections.

40. Adam Cohen - November 20, 2006

Congratulations to the team from CBS for their best work to date!

And congratulations to us fans for being rewarded for our incessent complaining! Seriously, the FX shots from “Space Seed” were a huge improvement in many ways. The lighting, texture and movement of the Enterprise was extremely well-done. The ship had “weight” to it. And the shots worked in the context of the show too. Thanks for a great effort. I can’t wait for the next episode.

41. Greg Stamper - November 20, 2006

#32 DJT – “Is it just me or does the new nacelle lighting look like christmas lights?”

That may be a compliment since the original Nacelle Caps included Christmas Lights underneath.

42. Lao3D - November 20, 2006

I’ll have to jump on the love pile for this one too. Best one yet. Although did anyone else feel like the closing shot of the E. looked like the earlier CGI model? A little flatter and less textured, maybe?

But for the most part, if someone told me they had dusted off and refurbished the old 11-footer and shot some new footage, I’d be inclined to agree with them. NICE!!!

43. Greg Stamper - November 20, 2006

Lao3D,
I agree with you — there has yet to be an excellent departing shot from the stern. It was the weakest link to an otherwise exceptional effort.

44. k - November 20, 2006

WOW! That was fantastic footage of both ships! Thank You CBS!

45. Doug - November 20, 2006

I have to agree, effects in space seed are much improved, but I still can’t put my finger on what’s not right, and something with the Enterprise is still not right.

I suppose I’m over analyzing it, but in too many shots it looks flat somehow.

Doug

46. Horn - November 20, 2006

I have to say the Enterprise looked great in this episode as did the Botany Bay. Great job CBS digital!!

47. Diabolik - November 20, 2006

I watched the scene where the Ent ditched the BB about 5 times… it was so beautiful! The Big E LOOKED big this time, on a par with the similar shot from the end of ST:TMP.

Finally getting something really good here.

48. cbowyer - November 20, 2006

For some reason my local decided to run the “fixed” version of Mirror Mirror rather than Space Seed. The fix was of course replacing the high warp shot with a two second shot of the E in orbit, actually looked like they cut one of the orbit shots in half looked bit abrupt . Anyway I guess we’ll be a week behind in these parts until the reruns. I hope they don’t skip Space Seed altogether to catch up.

49. BLFSisko - November 20, 2006

It´s getting better every week. Fantastic, great, … WOW! (and I only see the stuff on this page; in Germany I will have to wait a loooong time before I´m able to see the remastered Episodes). The Enterprise looked like a physical object in this episode (perhaps because one could compare it with the smaller BB, so the E gets a kind of deepness and real size)Thanks to the Guys from CBS Digital. Go ahead.

Lebe lang und erfolgreich !!!

50. Jeff Bond - November 20, 2006

I agree with most of the comments–great shots. I would agree though that while the Botany Bay overall looked great, it was missing lighting highlights or something to tie the photography in with the Enterprise (maybe just tough to get across given the “charred and pitted” paint job), which is looking closer and closer to photoreal. They clearly studied the original Space Seed shots which are quite good–well composited and choreographed in a way that suggests some of the fluidity of motion control despite the cave man technology. They got something on the nacelle domes that really works to sell them–the soft highlight on the leading edge in some shots, very visible in the original miniature footage, that adds a lot of subtlety and dimension to the look of the domes.

51. Josh - November 20, 2006

#36 Nice setup Scott

I was reminded more than once of some beauty passes from Star Trek-The Motion Picture.

One of the most timeless,iconic viewing angles of the Enterprise is from the lower front quarter and this episode delivered that view repeatedly.

The establishing shot of the Enterprise sailing by towing the B.B was obviously an homage to the bookend shot of the Enterprise from TMP.

I like that the CBS team isn’t afraid to get close to the Enterprise and show some mass and relative displacement. This should REALLY bode well for some shuttlecraft landing sequences.

As far as the earlier criticism about the new nacelle caps looking like Christmas lights, it really helps to be informed when passing criticisms.
As was stated already, the studio model featured timed Christmas lights surrounded by broken shards of mirror, topped by frosted acrylic. That recipe in conjunction with lens exposure is what gives us our presto Enterprise warp bussard ramscoop effect.

I think when this project arrives on DVD, Blue-Ray, and HD-DVD several years from now, everyone should contribute to the Vance fund for excellence and pick me up a set. ;)

I can PROMISE you it will oft used and thoroughly enjoyed.

52. Dr. Image - November 20, 2006

Something… something about the shade of gray sort of bugs me.
I say “sort of” in that this is not a true nit I’m picking, I just think they should continue tweaking the overall look of the E, as I’m sure they will.
Yes…the original color of the 11-footer WAS gray with a tinge of green, but it comes across as very unflattering on screen. Maybe also exaggerated by the monochromatic (but technically more accurate?)
lighting scheme.
Add some fake bluescreen spill? Maybe they should try it!

53. John A - November 20, 2006

Bluescreen fill? Oh pu-lease, people….. The Classic Enterprise has never looked better!

54. DaggerMind - November 20, 2006

Now that they’re gonna redo the robot transport Woden in “The Ultimate Computer”, will they add a nod to the Animated series by giving it the design of the robot transports from “More Tribbles, More Troubles”? =P

55. Doug - November 20, 2006

post 52.

You see the same “something” amiss that I see. It is way better than it was in previous episodes, but “something” still looks wrong. Judging by the posts this week I guess I’m in the minority, but I love the classic Enterprise, and I want the best. – doug

56. Doug - November 20, 2006

further to post 55

Seriously when I look at the stills labelled…
“Original Ent tractoring Botany Bay” & “New Ent tractoring Botany Bay”

…I think the original looks better. I’ll grant all the shortcomings of the original shots and multiple re-use of shots etc. But in the end when I compare these two pictures, the original looks better to me.

Anyone else?? -doug

57. Dr. Image - November 20, 2006

It’s the apparent cyan-ish (blue/green) cast on the CG Enterprise.
That’s what bugs me.
Otherwise, the thing now looks great- much more “Trumbullesque.”

And is it just me or are the nacelles on the original 11-footer drooping in that tractoring shot?

58. Doug - November 20, 2006

yes, i saw that too, in other shots. they appear to have a slight bend or something… hmmm. d

59. Granger - November 20, 2006

#57 and 58: Myself, I don’t perceive any drooping of the nacelles in the old shots. The approach and departing shots are droop-free and as for the tractor shot, I think you are just seeing an optical illusion because of the angle it is shot from, below the big E. We could also be seeing some lens distortion.

They certainly aren’t drooping nearly as much as the ones on my old AMT model kits always did! ;-)

60. FishDS9 - November 20, 2006

I missed not seeing an actual tractor beam ala TNG.
I hope they correct things like seeing an officer operating the transporter when Kirk, McCoy, Scott and McGivers beam over to the BB. There was a technician in overalls there. It should have been he who was operating the controls and not a shot of Scott or the hand double.

I thought the E and BB looked great in this ep. Thanks to CBS Digital for the improvements.

61. Dip Thong - November 20, 2006

Based on this episode, I cannot WAIT to see what they’ve done with the Starbase 11 matte painting in Managerie! I’ll do backflips if they correctly matchmove the establishing shot of Pike’s ship through the top dome. **salivating**

62. Rich Roy - November 20, 2006

Again, exceptional CGI effects and they are a great improvement over the original footage. I’m really anticipating the remastering of Doomsday Machine and The Corbamite Maneuver.

63. Litenbug - November 20, 2006

CBS, the Enterprise looked great… Please don’t mess with it any further.

64. SPOCKBOY - November 20, 2006

Dear CBS
MUCH much better. Please continue.
One thing though, please make the deflector dish copper again.
I think that the copper color is intentional, in that it makes it the secondary hull tie in better with the orangey nacelle domes above.
Just like how the nacelle domes originally had spikes in them which made it tie in better with the deflector dish that had the same spike sticking out of it
Its all purely artistic.

Thnaks guys.

65. JON - November 20, 2006

Nice the way the new CGI effects are elaborating on the vision and visual language of TOS.As an original Trek fan I wouldn’t mind seeing an expanded episode (1-1/2 hrs.)that might introduce a sub-plot or more incidental scenes (crowds,cities,other starships w/crews).Maybe the way they would’ve liked to represent the future back then but couldn’t afford to (budget).I mean did’t they use the same prop for nomad,the romulan cloaking device and that episode where the guy has the android girl and nomad is the butler?It’d be cool to see the inside of a Klingon ship from TOS era etc or out a window (the e had all those windows where they?Get what I’m sayin?.

66. SPOCKBOY - November 20, 2006

Thanks as well…..; )

67. JON - November 20, 2006

65 .The E had all those windows where were they? (meant to type-sorry)

68. Chris - November 20, 2006

Enterprise looks great in this episodes. Nacelles are good too. I noticed that the lights under the hanger doors are missing.

69. litenbug - November 20, 2006

#65 JON… I assume that was a Christmas wish? You don’t wish small…do you?

#64…you want them to tweak it more?…why?

70. Major Sluclio - November 20, 2006

A couple of Comments

Over all the Big is is looking soooo much better. And some of the camera moves are really pretty sweet.

But…

Sometimes the Enterprise looks “pasted” against the Starfield… The Ship is looking great but there is still a sense (at times) that it isn’t really “in space”

I thought the Botany Bay looked a bit too weathered… It looked almost battle scarred.

And finally,,, for the nit picking… When Kirk finally tells Khan that they know who he is,,,

In the interior shot of Khan’s room… when Kirk is leaving.. the Security guard standing outside the door has a full head of hair. When they cut to the Hallway shot he is a slightly balding stuntman.

Couldn’t they do a Hudson Hawk and CGI more hair.

71. Josh - November 21, 2006

Wouldn’t it be absolutely cool if towards the end of the Third season episodes, they altered the Enterprise slightly and gave it some modifications reflecting advancing Starfleet technological applications?

Granted, the refit of 2270 incorporated most design changes and newly developed technologies, but it has never been demonstrated in any Star Trek series that routine overhauls take place with the exception of the new bridge module being installed for Star Trek V and VI on the Starship Enterprise -A.

I don’t believe it should be any overly glaring changes to the Constitution class model, but surely something could be devised to demonstrate that the Enterprise recieves overhauls. The ship is 20 years old by the time of the last few episodes of the Third Season. If anything, it could be as simple as increased weathering over the course of a season, and then BAM, a pristine look suddenly suggesting the hull has been ionized and “cleaned.”
Perhaps midway through the Third season the Warp Nacelle inboard flux chillers could be illuminated? More reflective of the coming Refit.
My personal preference would be a sudden change in the Starfleet type face font for the registry on the hull , and the accompanying starfleet emblems on the nacelles and secondary hull.
If the works were being given to the show, I would also suggest a transistion from series transporters effect to “The Motion Picture” Transporter effect.
Finally, as an example, I can’t think of any third season episodes offhand featuring a shuttlecraft but, why not insert again “The Motion Picture” type shuttlecrafit minus the warp sled, saving that bold image for the film.
This would be a nice counter to Daren’s insertion of the classic Shuttle in the movie departing Starfleet headquarters.

Meditate on this, I will.

72. Josh - November 21, 2006

^^^^^

Didn’t “Let thjat be your last battlefield” feature a shuttcraft?
More importantly, a non Enterprise assigned shuttle.

Bingo, perfect oppurtunity for a Motion Picture shuttlecraft Loki steals from a starbase.

73. paul - November 21, 2006

I hope these episodes make it to DVD.

74. Jay - November 21, 2006

With regards to the 11 foot model’s drooping nacelles, I think that is mostly an optical illusion as the nacelles gently taper down as they go back. I recently completed a Polar Lights 1/1000 scale Enterprise model and at a distance it looks like the nacelles sag, but I know for a fact that they don’t. I think that taper though is what’s causing them to appear to sag or droop.

75. MichaelJohn - November 21, 2006

As usual, the new effects look great and improve upon the original.

It’s true, that the new Enterprise has improved since the first few remastered episodes, but I can’t help but wish that they had copied the original Enterprise colors more closely. I think the original light blue/gray color with a “reddish” deflector array was very cool and futuristic looking.

To me the Enterprise color is now too dark and reminds me more of the color of a navy destroyer or aircraft carrier. A futuristic spacecraft shouldn’t look like it’s made out of steel! I’m sure many here prefer this new look, but I like the brighter hull of the orginal show and movies best.

Anyway, when I’m as rich as Bill Gates, I will hire my own CGI team to Re-remaster all the TOS episodes to my own standards. Then I can decide what effects and colors look the best!

Until then, I will be happy and content with what CBS is doing. Good job! :o)

76. John N - November 21, 2006

#71 – Josh – I think that those are some great ideas…

77. Scarpad - November 21, 2006

I think Space Seed will be showing up on Xbox Live Sometime this week in HD

78. Cervantes - November 22, 2006

Well if that info. is correct Scarpad, I’ll be requisitioning my brat’s Xbox 360 post haste, as this would be the first proper viewing of a complete remastered episode we’ll be able to get here in the U.K. !

Thanks for the heads up.

79. Scott of the Morgites - November 22, 2006

#71 – Very cool ideas Josh! Especially, if they, as you suggested, do it with subtlety and nuance.

However, weren’t the emblems that appear on the secondary hull and nacelles changed after Kirk’s historic five year mission? I have this vague recollection of reading somewhere that Starfleet adopted the Enterprise’s Delta design as their representative iconography to honor the Big E and her crew. Does anybody know if this is true?

At any rate, it would definitely be more eye-candy to see the Enterprise with a little something here and a little something there foreshadowing her big changes.

80. spsmyth - November 22, 2006

“However, weren’t the emblems that appear on the secondary hull and nacelles changed after Kirk’s historic five year mission? I have this vague recollection of reading somewhere that Starfleet adopted the Enterprise’s Delta design as their representative iconography to honor the Big E and her crew. Does anybody know if this is true?”

This is very true. The reason is that Kirk is the first captain to bring his ship home from an extended deep space mission intact. We can debate that explanation, but that is usually the one given.

I think this episode was better, however, I would have wanted a visible tractor beam, and virtual cameras with the same lens lengths as the original series. Also, the lighting is still too flat and dark. Enterprise should have a blue cast, the deflector dish should be more copper, etc. Some of this could be taken care of by, as Daren Dochterman has said, putting the key light in front of the model, rather than behind it. It should look more Linwood Dunn-ish, not Douglas Trumbull-y.

81. Josh - November 22, 2006

I think there are a variety of things that could be done to transistion over into “The Motion Picture”,

yes the Enterprise delta shield became the symbol for all of the Starfleet after the Enterprises’ return, but that wouldn’t prevent the new logo appearing prior to her return, granted that’s my least favorite of ideas, the last thing an overhaul would be concerned with is painting new logos on the hull-

However, I see no reason why something couldn’t be devised to imply the coming technology in the first film, unless we are to assume the refit Enterprise incorporates never before field tested technological advances.
Scotty was rather adament about a shakedown cruise after all.
That being said, though the Enterprise may not necessarily change, I see no reason why such technology couldn’t be phased in Starfleet wide.
The Surak shuttle is a good example. Travelpods orbiting a Starbase or space station.
Did any Third season episode go back to Earth however briefly? My memory fails me. No I believe Earth was unique to the first film hmmmm.
I think such a nod would have to be done tastefully and respectfully, you don’t want anything too substantial to be inserted lest it take the thunder from the first appearance in the film.
I don’t want a K’tinga inserted anywhere, but why not Starbase facility members wearing the first film unforms in the background, since new elements are being shot for live action background mattes?
Logic sort of dictates that ALL of these radical changes wouldn’t be incorporated into the Enterprise simultaneously.
New ship, new engines, new logo, new fonts, new uniforms, new hairstyles, new klingon ships, new starfleet hardware, new phasers, torpedoes, security uniforms, engineering radiation uniforms.
That’s just silly to think all of this was unique to the Enterprise,
besides, we saw Starfleet ground personnel wearing the new unfiforms as well as the deep space Epsilon Nine crew.
Star Trek should retain its unique visual style, all Im suggesting is a subtle nod that oh yes, changes are a coming big.

82. Josh - November 22, 2006

^^^^^

It would lessen the perpetual bitching I’ve heard over the years how “The Motion Picture” exists in it’s own little reality outside of the series and followup films.

I personally believe the first film is one of the best cinematic Trek endeavors, and has a grandness to it lacking in the followup films.
People can debate the merits of the story itself, but visually, Star Trek has never looked better before, or since.
The Enterprise looked like a bonafied space vessel built by human beings launched to counter an Un-Godly threat. .
The Klingons and their warcraft genuinely appeared and felt “alien.”
Vulcans had a priestly, noble quality lacking in future films,and again felt and appeared completely alien.

Like 2001: A space odyssey, the first Trek film in many ways is of a caliber and type of film that people either “get” or they don’t. Fans adore it, critics seem to despise it, there’s really no happy medium.
That’s however neither here nor there, again visually, it’s the best Trek has ever offered and influenced the design aesthetic of 4 followup series and 9 motion pictures.
I think that visual aesthetic should be touched upon respectfully.

83. Keven Falberg - November 22, 2006

I find that I replay STTMP more than any of the movies as the years go by. It definitely is the most visually stunning of all the movies. The story and script are maybe not as exciting and dramatic as some of the later entries, and the tone is very somber, but for some reason it bears repeat viewing.

84. Stanky McFibberich - November 22, 2006

So, did Captain Pike not bring home the ship intact? Is Kirk’s ship not the same vessel, only refit?

85. Josh - November 23, 2006

^^^^^

That’s why the concept has never been expanded on Stanky, it would require some major clarifications.

I can’t even recall the exact original source for that notion, it’s in the novelization of Trek 1 by Roddenberry, but perhaps it’s origins are the Trek Concordance or some other 70’s novel or book about the behind the scenes aspects of the show.

It goes something like this Stanky-

In honor of James Kirk returning the Starship Enterprise home with ship and crew relatively intact , the Enterprise Delta shield was made the official symbol of the entire organization.
What distinguished this achievement was allegedly of the original 13 Constitution Class starships, only Kirk brought the Enterprise home after such an extended journey of discovery – 5 long years. And actually, Kirk was promoted to Fleet Admiral as a result of this achievement.

It’s never been explicitly stated Pike commanded a 5 year mission, much less as is speculated in Mr. Okuda’s Trek Encyclopedia, TWO 5 year missions.

Pike and April (Assuming we consider April valid) could very well have commanded Enterprise on extended patrols, research, etc. lasting weeks and months, but James Kirk alone is commended for surviving a Five Year mission of exploration.
It was essentially future Trek writers and authors of novels and episodes of the newer series that negated and discounted this quasi-accepted fact (During the 70s is when it was generally accepted.)

That’s sort of the point and why Trek is a big deal, this starship was out away from human contact for essentially 5 long years. It was an unprecedented accomplishment by Kirk and crew.

The future series make this sort of routine but, in Kirk’s era, to bring your ship home after such an extended trip was a big deal.
Look at all of the Constitution class ships lost during the 3 year run of the show, keeping in mind there are only 13.

Lexington
Exeter
Defiant
Constellation
Excalibur
Intrepid

Space is Dangerous! And Kirk kicks ass.

86. Josh - November 23, 2006

^^^^^ That’s why the future Trek series lost some of their prestige and focus,

It became all about “these are the voyages of the starship one among many- yawn.”

What’s dangerous about that? Or, more importantly, special.

It could have just as easily been the voyages of the starship Hood, Yorktown, Gorkon, Kongo, Lexington, Stargazer….etc etc.

By having a MILLION starships, where is the jeopardy and singularly unique status of the ship being featured on the show?

Starship Voyager. So what? It’s lost in the delta quadrant.
There are 5 million other starships out doing other things, probably more interesting.

I preferred it when space was much bigger, and fleets were much much smaller.

87. Stanky McFibberich - November 23, 2006

Thanks, Josh. (#85) Forgive me if I seem confused (it happens often). It seems like in the Menagerie, it was mentioned that they were looking at scenes from 18? years ago, with Pike and Spock aboard the Enterprise. I also think Kirk mentions that he “took over the Enterprise” from Pike. So Pike was the captain of the Enterprise on and off for 18 or so years? And another line mentions Pike being “about your age” in reference to Kirk. If Kirk was in his mid thirties at the time of the Menagerie, then Pike must have been in his late teens or early twenties commanding the Enterprise at Talos IV. Again, forgive me if this topic has been covered in various forums already, or if I am just “not getting it,” but I am relatively new to looking at Star Trek message boards, though I have been a fan of the show for many years. Maybe I have spent too much time kissing girls to know all about everything.

88. Stanky McFibberich - November 23, 2006

Sorry…13? years ago (#87)…..

89. Josh - November 24, 2006

You should try “kissing girls” while watching Trek Stanky, sometimes it helps with the memory associating a lovely lady with a lovely television show.

90. Anonymous - November 24, 2006

Oh………….don’t think I haven’t!!!!!!

91. James - November 26, 2006

this looks so cool i cant wit tillthey actually start showing them in the uk atm wer stuck with 1 episod unremastered each sat :S

92. Lord Edzo - November 27, 2006

I loved the new “drifting/listing” Botany Bay. The fine CGI folks may have even shown some of the lettering on its hull, but my non-HD TV didn’t pick it up.

Here’s a great idea that may have been impossible for contractual reasons or some other legal nonsense: Go to “By Any Other Name,” lift out Chekov sitting in the navigator’s chair, waiting to be reduced to a styrofoam polygon, and add him into the Briefing Room scene at the end of “Space Seed”! That way we could *really* establish that Khan in TWOK had met him before.

In the closing CGI of the Enterprise, it might’ve been nice to actually show her leaving Ceti Alpha 5.

Sorry to complain, but again, the Impulse Engines were not lit. C’mon, guys, do you want to sell us these remastered DVDs in the future or not?

Also, I didn’t see any Tractor Beam between the Enterprise and the BB. Surely the VFX boys back in 1967 could have added some sort of beam if they’d had the money. You guys can definitely add a beam in 2006/7! Please, go back and put it in. Pretty please?

Nice job overall; a pleasure to watch.

93. Kenneth MacDonald - November 27, 2006

With 400 or so crewmen aboard it is quite possible that Khan may have run into Chekov somewhere on the ship in a scene never filmed. Or maybe as he was going through the library information, he took time to access crew information which may have included Chekov.
I guess I don’t need to see Chekov to believe he could have been on the ship before he ever appeared on screen in the series.
On the other hand, when I first saw the scene in The Wrath of Khan in which Khan makes his Chekov statement, I did kind of cringe a little.
Of course, when it comes right down to it, it is just a continuity screw-up, that somehow got missed.
But I really don’t want to see him CGI’d into Space Seed any more than I want to see them go back and fix Spock’s eyebrows in The Cage.

94. Kevin H. & Christina J. Martin - November 29, 2006

to doug 56

It ALL still looks tons worse than the original minature elements to me. Lighting, sense of size (relative to the taking lens) … I’m amazed at how lousy most cg still looks, especially given that really good spaceship stuff was interspersed with modelwork (in the same shot) in FC a decade back. Hell, most of FIREFLY looked tons better than this too, and that’s coming from somebody who is allergic to spaceship cg (as in, Cinesite’s SOLARIS had good stuff, but nobod else has rivalled it yet.)

I’ve seen a few minutes of remastered and it all seems like TAS remastered to me, not TOS remastered.

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