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New Opening Credits…now with new model [UPDATED] January 14, 2007

by Matt Wright , Filed under: TOS Remastered,Uncategorized , trackback

The CBS Digital team took the opportunity of doing "Wink Of An Eye" to finally put the new improved model of the Enterprise into the opening credits. This episode was the first season 3 episode and each season has a slightly different opening title sequence. CBS-D will now ‘retrofit’ this title sequence for future season 1 and season 2 episodes. So here it is…IN STEREO (the music is slightly different for season 3 as well)

UPDATE: The audio sync has been fixed in both the WMV and YouTube versions, enjoy! 

 

[WMV Video] [MP3 Audio]

Comments

1. Spock's brain - January 14, 2007

I noticed there is no E flyby when STAR TREK apears. That’s not right is it?

2. Anthony Pascale - January 14, 2007

it appears that they have removed the first flyby when it says ‘star trek’

i will endeavor to find out why

3. cbspock - January 14, 2007

I think they are missing that flyby. The sound effect is there, but no Enterprise.

4. Captain Pike - January 14, 2007

I wish they would lose the “skid” and have the model approach the camera on axis instead of bow tilted down. I always thought that it looked wrong with the original model and there is no reason to do it that way with a cgi model.

5. Lti - January 14, 2007

But Captain Pike, that would be changing the original aesthetic of the show! Te purists can’t have that or they will go head down themselves in protest and likely hurt themselves.

6. Paul - January 14, 2007

I just hope that before they “retrofit” this opening, that they remix the music and tone down that woman’s voice. I guess they payed a pretty penny to have her sing those notes, but geesh! Balance the mix better, will ya guys!

And you all are correct about that E missing before the appearance of the title. You’d think that these CG animators are smart enough to catch an obvious mistake like that. Then again, perhaps it was intentional, although I can’t imagine why.

The latest version of the E still looks too “CG” and video like if you ask me. Daren Dochterman’s version still makes CBS’s “E” pale by caparison. Why can’t CBS Digital make the ship look as good as it appears here:

http://www.betafive.com/TREKENHANCED/VFXonly.html

Doesn’t anybody else think that this is the way they ought to be re-doing the shows? This looks SOOO much better than anything CBS has cranked out….IMHO. When they get around to doing “Doomsday Machine”, you know that their work will be compared to the quality of Daren’s.

Comments?

7. Srgt. Munster - January 14, 2007

I have to agree with Captain Pike. I really like the work they’ve done for the most part, but I really dislike how the Enterprise’s movement is always slightly skewed. I realize that they’re being faithful to the original show and the way that the model had to be shot, but I find it distracting (always did!). LIke Lti said it would be changing the aesthetic of the show, but when they’re making some of the effects and so on a little less “cheesy” that could have been one of the minor tweaks that really would have made that ship fly for me. (And it would have amused me to hear the purists scream!).

8. Chunkay - January 14, 2007

Wow, the SFX in Paul’s link look far better. Whoever did that should take over at CBS Digital right now.

9. Paul - January 14, 2007

#8 Chunkay…I couldn’t agree with you more!

The work was done by Daren Dochterman. He has a web site to showcase his work:

http://web.mac.com/drdochterman/iWeb/TREKENHANCED/splash.html

Honestly, I wish that Daren had been hired by CBS Digital, because he seems to be the only one who knows what he’s doing.

If CBS Digital doesn’t come VERY close to reaching Daren’s quality of work, it will be a shame indeed….IMHO.

10. Skippy 2k - January 14, 2007

Is the sound out of sync a bit, or just on the vid above? What I mean is the ship flyby and the “swooosh” it seems the ship is allready by and away before it. As far as leaving out the flyby when the title appears, thats weird…maybe it was the title that was supposed to cause that swooosh, that one seems out of sync though as well.

Thanks, was curious what it was going to look like!

11. Josh T. (Tunguska Blast) Kirk Esquire' - January 15, 2007

I like the way the Enterprise tilts forward like a modern day helicopter when it’s in ass kick speed, the appearance implies the great velocities being represented.

Contrast the appearance of this Enterprise, with say the Enterprise D in the opening credits of Next Gen that came at you along a single vector with no gradient or tilt present, it looks like dung.

Kudos to CBS.

12. Josh T. (Tunguska Blast) Kirk Esquire' - January 15, 2007

Oh and I’m probably alone here but anyhoo, I’m getting pretty sick of reading Daren’s name in every other post, no disrespect to Daren intended.

I think CBS digital effects are far superior, and more representative of the spirit of the show. Daren’s work is exceptional but quite too stylized to exist in the same universe as the show without a severe toning down.

13. andoriano - January 15, 2007

pues no se diferencian tanto, habra que esperar a verlo en pantalla grande

14. Boh - January 15, 2007

You people do realize that CBS Digital has to work on a deadline, right? Fans can spend all the time they want to perfect their work, the people working at CBS digital aren’t given the same kind of luxury.

15. Darren Baker - January 15, 2007

Yeah, the reason Dochterman’s version looks better, I think, is because he’s rendered it to look like a well-photographed model, not like a starship in space. We know the Enterprise is fake, it’s part of the suspension of disbelief when watching such a show. I don’t think CBS’ effects are horrible, just not as good. It needs to look like someone re-shot the original Enterprise model using modern-day techniques.

Incidentally, Skippy, I think the swooshes were always out-of-sync.

16. yo - January 15, 2007

Skippy 2k:
> Is the sound out of sync a bit, or just on the vid above?
> What I mean is the ship flyby and the “swooosh” it seems
> the ship is already by and away before it.

Well, there is no air in space, so sound moves even slower;
and the ship is traveling much faster than light, so you
see it that much sooner. Ergo, significant lag on the sound.
Basic physics. (Kudos to CBSD.) ;-.

17. Cervantes - January 15, 2007

Don’t wish to be controversial…but I always LIKED the “skidding” look of the original Star Trek titles! I only wish this has been replicated further throughout various episodes. Anthony, I hope you can find out the reason for the missing “flyby” through the titles, which I hope will be reinstated, as I always thought that was a very visual defining aspect of the original Trek’s title sequence. Like the rest of the work by the way.

18. Paul - January 15, 2007

Re: #14 and #15,

Well, I admit that I am merely a fan and do not know the first thing about CGI or how long it takes to render an image.

I only know what looks good, or as you put it….”realistic.”

I would think that any investment made in improving the effects would translate to respectable revenues for Paramount/CBS, once these remastered shows are placed on DVD.

I suppose my disappointment stems from knowing what could have been. Given CBS D’s budget and time constraints, I guess they’re doing an okay job.

To quote Klingon Kang from Errand of Mercy, “A pity. It would have been glorious!”

19. Joe Medley - January 15, 2007

I don’t have cable, so my only sense of these things are the clips on this web site. Generally, I like the clips I’ve seen. I have two problems with these opening credits.

The singing in the current version lacks a certain tension, or at least it sounds like it does on my lap top. I’ve heard that the original was sung by a man using falsetto. The new one sounds like a woman. A low instrument used at a high pitch will always sound more tense than the same notes played on a high instrument. Think of the slow cello passages that open the William Tell Overture. Another example would be when Barry Gordy had the temptations record some songs in a slightly higher key than was comfortable for them in order to give those songs a plaintive quality. (Maybe it was Smokey Robinson. Don’t quote me.)

It also sounds to me like they changed the sound of the swoosh. I don’t like the swoosh sound that came out of my laptop just now, and I wish they wouldn’t touch the sound effects at all. A few years ago, I had Star Trek on in the next room while I was painting my mud room. I had never “listened” to Star Trek before and was blown away. I’ve always liked the sound effects in TOS’ better than any of the movies or any of the spin off shows. But what I realized that day was that if I lost my eyesight, I would love listening to Star Trek as much as I enjoy watching Star Trek.

CBS, if you are listening, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don’t change the sound effects.

20. jonboc - January 15, 2007

…I agree, the sound folks have tampered with the famous “swish” and it seems lower in pitch. I also agreee that they are out of sync…rather than being tied visually to the ship speeding by, they have attached the “swish” to the receding fonts. Whoever edited this opening apprarently thought it would look better with that sound effect complimenting the credits rather that the ship. Bad decision. …but the new ship looks great.

21. Jim J - January 15, 2007

Josh-
I’m with you on this. Daren’s work was my favorite until CBS Digital came along. Once CBS D fixed those two….never mind, since then; I’m thrilled. I love Daren’s work and it is absolutely top notch on TMP. But, I’m with you…I think that people are getting a bit overboard about him. It’s like a whiners gripe-fest because he didn’t get picked to do this project (or be involved). Daren has a wonderful site, I suggest all of his fans (myself included) check it out. Thing is, he doesn’t put out weekly effects of Trek with a deadline like CBS Digital has to do. Who can blame him, though, he isn’t getting paid to put things on his site like CBS Digital is getting paid to do this project. Just saying…if ya like his work, go to his site, look at it, and tell him so. Let this site BE about Star Trek and what we are liking or not liking. Crying about spilled milk that never even got poured is getting old, though!

22. Magic_Al - January 15, 2007

That first flyby needs to come back! That’s a big change for no good reason.

23. Jim J - January 15, 2007

Oh, man-this is too funny. I just put in the dvd I burned of “Wink of an Eye” and guess what!!!??? I played the opening credits and the woosh is EXACTLY timed with the ship going by. I think the posted video has sound lagging. Not trying to cause trouble, but I’m very serious about this. It’s timed perfect on my DVD, but yes, the ship IS missing when they put up the words “Star Trek.” Weird, huh?

Another funny thing (and they missed fixing it)…you can see what looks like the shadow of a light/spotlight off to the left of Uhura while Kirk talks to her right after the opening credits. Hilarious and amazed that they missed it. BUT, I never noticed it until looking over the non-remastered and remastered dvd’s that I have. I’ve watched these shows since I was 4…..36 years now and I JUST saw that! Amazing!

24. Kelvington - January 15, 2007

I’m very happy with the look and feel of the new E, I think one of the reasons Darren’s work seems so go is the star field moves in 3D as the camera pans around the ship. Something they couldn’t have easily done back in the 60’s so CBS doesn’t update the look of the stars.

I suspect that in a few years after these are done, there will be a Super-Duper version of the episodes released with wilder effect shots and they will remove the studio sky from “exterior” shots done on the set.

25. Herbert Eyes Wide Open - January 15, 2007

I love CBS-D’s and Daren’s work… Both show enormous commitment and care to Lady E. Obviously, the former is constrained by deadlines and budgets. As to the latter, I have no idea how long Daren worked on his “Proof of Concept.”

The Enterprise is undoubtedly the most “interpreted” ship in science fiction. Everybody has a different opinion about what is EXACTLY right.

More to the point, both took very different approaches in their efforts. CBS-D’s template (at least initially) was to re-create the FX shots as close to the original footage as possible. They were also on a steep CGI learning curve about what looked and felt “right” with delivery dates ever looming.

Daren re-invented the feel of the Enterprise through different camera movements, virtual lens choices, lighting and exterior space design and editorial sensibility.

Frankly, I’m glad CBS-D has elected to be less ham-stringed in later episodes by introducing new angles, perspectives and movement for the Enterprise. As much as I find comfort in the standard “fly-bys”, I very much like the surprises of re-interpretation in the newer re-mastered episodes.

As far as vocals in season two and three opening credits… absolutely, positively re-mix. She’s got a lovely voice but bring it back a smidge… maybe even a hair or two. :)

26. Thomas Jensen - January 15, 2007

The title music isn’t mixed properly. The singer overpowers the music.
I’m repeating myself here, but it’s something I feel strongly about….

They’ve lost the original mix and the effect that it had in this third season version. The ’snap’ isn’t there, the ‘ping’ etc. I’ve been all over this at this wonderful site. If they are trying to do it as it was, but better, then they should at least review what they’ve done and fix it.

After seeing the video and reading the article, about the music, they claim to not want to change the music. This issue about the soprano singer being too loud for the second season and now, the third season, should be addressed by CBS. Just as the Enterprise CGI was re-done to make it better.

The singer should not be so loud in the third season version, the organ sound should be louder. The previous second and third season DVD versions hit it right. No criticism of the singer is implied, but we need a re-mix of the new title recordings. In this version Shatners voice sounds like he’s doing the voiceover from a garbage can. Echo, echo, echo……

With the title music it should be done as it was only with a new recording. That’s all. It seems to me they so loved having a live singer in the mix that someone got carried away with her contribution to the whole deal. She’s the ‘cartoon’ nacelle version of the whole thing.

I’m on a vendetta against changing the title music. Dolby 5.1? Sure! Re-record it for the upcoming release? Sure! Remixed soprano heard over and above the title music? NO! And to not have all three seasons done as they have always been is just wrong. Every season had it’s own arrangement. The third was somewhat upbeat as compared to the second.

I enjoy what they’ve done with the fx, but to change the title music isn’t necessary.

27. Thomas Jensen - January 15, 2007

….And wow, what’s up with the swish and the missing ship? I mean, come on, the swish was alway associated with the ship going by. CBS can create new angles for ship shots, that’s cool, but to change the titles of the show audio and visual. That’s wrong.

28. Josh - January 15, 2007

Aside from those now-infamous nacelle caps — I don’t see a difference.

29. Commodore Z - January 15, 2007

Daren’s work is excellent, but it has too much of a TMP vibe for me.

Is CBS-Digital responsible for the music? Or is it another department at the studio?

30. jonboc - January 15, 2007

#23 Thanks for the info…the swishing being off doesn’t really rub me the wrong way, I just found it a bit curious. The fact that the you tube clip is off a bit shouldn’t really surprise me and I should have suspected toutube was the culprit to begin with. Glad to hear it syncs up with the ship.

31. Frank - January 15, 2007

I have to agree that the singer is bit too loud as well. But what do I know, I always felt that it should be Shatner singing that part. Right after the “where no man has gone before!” comment he breaks into soprano. Now that’s opening credits!

32. Kang - January 15, 2007

WTF!?

My Gods….they have ruined the third season opening credits entirely.

why the hell did they have to change the third season opening music and shatners narration so much!?!?
please cbs / paramount…go back and WATCH the 3rd season opening credits annd get rid of that annoying ailing girl who cant do it right, at least tone that tone deaf girl down!

this is a request of Kang…a fan of trek classic shows.

33. hitch1969© - January 15, 2007

CBS-D is macinthepants®.

Dochterman is macinthepants®

BIG DAWG AP is TrekMovie in the pants™.

TrekMovie.com is Shatner in the pants.

ergo… perhaps it could be said that BIG DAWG AP is Shatner in the pants by way of inference.

I had not considered this before.

best!!

=h=

34. Spirit - January 15, 2007

#10, the “swhoosh” is in sync with the text effect, not the ship flyby. I thought that was obvious?

35. Stanky McFibberich - January 15, 2007

I must defend the singer #32. Her singing is just fine. The problem is the way her singing is mixed with the instrumentals. It should blend in, not be heard over the instruments. Not her fault.

36. SteveinSF - January 15, 2007

What is different with the 3rd season Enterprise compared with Season 2? I have noticed that the marker lights aren’t as bright and the rear of the ship is missing the blinking light. Of course I may be missing it since I’m watching using old rabbit ears.
I love the new CGI stuff with trek-it doesn’t look too “cartoonish” as some of the other Sci Fi shows out there. I love the original effects too–it was ground breaking for the time.

Thanks for all the videos and stills of the new FXs. I love it!

37. Nelson - January 15, 2007

re: CBS Digtial verses Dochterman CGI

This just comes down to artistic interpretation. Each person will have their own vision of how to create the Enterprise CGI model. Not one is right or better then others. But as the viewer of the “art”, because that’s what this is, we will have our reaction to it. We may like it or dislike it. And that’s okay.

It’s pretty hard to be smack on with a CGI Enteprise model to the original 12 foot model that’s now in the Smithsonian. I think both Mr. Dochterman and CBS Digital have done really nice versions. To my eye, I think Mr. Dochterman is trying to create a more realistic version of the ship if it were real. As pointed out by another poster above, he’s got a lot of the Star Trek TMP panelling going on. The CBS digital has it too. If you look closely it’s there. But the CBS version looks more subtle and to my eye, closer to the filming model.

So what is right; a closer copy to the filming model, or a more artisitc approach of what it might really look like?

For me, because the filming model is what the public domain is used to, I like more. But that doesn’t discount what Mr. Dochterman or Eden or others have done.

38. Leonidas - January 15, 2007

# 6, Paul, I agree with you. While individuals who post to this board sometimes get overly emotional on our different opinions, in my opinion the work of Daren Doc is superior to CBS Digital. They could have purchased his model; I prefer it.

Yet to be fair, CBS Digital is improving — except I don’t like the “energy barrier” design and the lack of spinning, flashing nacelle caps in their version of “Where No Man Has Gone Before.” While some use “myth” to explain the solid wooden appearance, to me it is a cop out and easy fix from doing work that gave them trouble.

39. Jim J - January 15, 2007

#34 and others. Please read my post #23. I’m totally serious…it’s the video that is posted here that is off, not what was actually televised. I triple checked it. The “swoosh” IS with the ship, not the text effect. It’s just a bad video posted here, not what was on TV.

40. Daren Doc - January 15, 2007

lol…

It’s not a competition.

No wagering. :)

oh, and it’s just a TV show…

that should cover it.

41. CmdrR. - January 15, 2007

Maybe they were doing speed of light in a speed of sound zone…

42. hitch1969© - January 15, 2007

is that the REAL Dochterman™? Because if it is, “it’s just a TV show” being the response is NOT macinthepants my friend. You worked hard on your version and put in the hours and the manpowers while we smelled your flowers. Do you see what I am saying?

Stop taking the high road, man. If you feel like your project is superior and you feel like you were screwed out of a job… be real with the team. It’s OK with us, man. CBS-D ain’t gonna care either – they’ve GOT the job. Honesty suits you so much better my friend. Kick it like you say it in private. You’re better and they gave you blue dress socks for christmas when you told them over and over that you wanted a Wii, Nintendo DS, and Xbox.

You’re still mac inthe pants, though, bro. Politics and the innerworkings at CBS conspired against you. Don’t go Al Gore® on us, man. Didn’t you just hate when he was saying ONE thing about the election and endorsing Bush after the fact and then his appearance was saying another thing entirely with the getting fat and beard and depression withdrawing from society to lick his wounds.

See what I am saying, Doc™?

best!!

=h=

43. An olde timey fan - January 15, 2007

Daren Doc, are you suggesting we should get a ilfe :-)

Music:

The girl singer is not mixed to strongly, the orchestra itself is in the mud. The original recording was designed for a tiny, tinny, monaural TV speaker – not the amazing high-fidelity systems even a laptop carries today. So today’s recording and mixing techniques are at great variance from 1967. I doubt it could ever sound the same without using period mics and live, “one take” direct-to-disc recording techniques.

A few other points:
1. Colored stars!!!!

2. Shatner’s “echo”. On the originals, reverberation was used through “These are the voyages of the Starship” while “Enterprise…” was bereft of reverb. It was very subtle but the effect is almost startling. It makes you pay attention to what follows.

3. “Skidding”: according to The Making of Star Trek, the camera and the model BOTH moved toward each other, as though the camera was in its own starship. That’s why it looks to some as though it is skidding along. I happen to like the effect, whereas TNG

44. Sybok - January 15, 2007

Personally, I am happy The Fat lady from Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban was hired to sing the opening credit theme.

45. Thomas Jensen - January 15, 2007

#43 Ok, I accept your analysis, but however it’s done the soprano singer needs to be brought down so the music is paramount to the ear. The singer should augment the instruments, the reverse seems to be happening.

And yes I did mention the echo, just a little less echo or reverb would be nice.

I just want the thing to sound as it once did only in dolby 5.1 stereo or whatever method was used for the upcoming dvd release.

46. THETrekMaster - January 15, 2007

I, macinthepants®.

47. New Horizon - January 15, 2007

I don’t think that’s the real Daren Doc. That’s not how his user name usually appears.

48. Father Rob - January 15, 2007

I’m with Thomas Jensen on this one… the S3 theme is changed for no good reason. It isn’t as snappy and upbeat as it was previously. (See my comments on the review of the episode.)

Please, guys, change it back!

(There. That is my deposit in the geek bank for the month!)

Rob+

49. Daren Doc - January 15, 2007

LOL… :) it is the real me…

And ok, it’s NOT just a tv show..

but it’s fine. Water under the bridge. The bridge with the off center Turbolift.

50. hitch1969© - January 15, 2007

The REAL doc™ would be able to tell us how and why he was fired as a Storyboard Artist on the epic “Gigli”.

The REAL doc™ would be shouting to the high heavens “Bring Me The Head Of CBS Digital!!!!”

the REAL doc™ would agree that macinthepants™ is very macinthepants™ because he drives a mac specifically.

Sir, I do not state these things to take you to task. However, identity theft is a very serious issue in this grate nation presently. DO YOU KNOW how many people register on discussion forums as hitch1969© and link back to my site? At first it used to bother me. Well, honestly, it never bothered me but still. “Setting up a hitchworld franchise” I used to encourage them. I cherished their attempts to copy the subtle nuisances and signatures of my postings.

I’m just funning you man, it’s probably you. However, I would like to see a little more honesty in the whole CBS-D undercutting you thing. Not that I would badmouth them in anyway. They are very macinthepants and that’s your deal. I dont tend to internalize issues much the way that many many many people do. However, I don’t agree with all the high road happy talk politico going on either.

Just keep it REAL, homie. You’re a macking pimp, everyone in da hood knows that.

best!!

=h=

51. Thomas Jensen - January 15, 2007

Thank you Father Rob! Changing the second & third season title music is something CBS needs to address as they did the cgi model for the enterprise. This should be an easy fix to blend the singer with the music.

Again, I must say the idea of re-recording the theme in digital stereo is good. Heck, I wish whole episodes had stereo music as part of the soundtrack. The fans would just like the title music in season two & three to mix in with the singer and not be buried by her.

Anthony is it possible to contact Greg Smith with our concerns? Then you could do a little update about this for us?

52. Matt Wright - January 15, 2007

sorry all, the audio is indeed a split second out of sync with the video, not sure how that happened. I’ll try and redo it later tonight.

53. Anthony Pascale - January 15, 2007

but the sync issue doesnt effect that there is still one ent flyby missing right?

54. Matt Wright - January 15, 2007

Right. The first “swish” happens with the appearance of the blue Star Trek letters. The swihh is just off by about 1/2 a second.

55. Daren Doc - January 15, 2007

I try not to shatner-in-the-pants unless I have no alternative.

And yes, I was fired off of Gigli. I’ll let everyone take a few guesses as to why.

As to the high road, macinthepants™ attitude… it’s all cool. I’m not necessarily on the high road all the time… but I’m trying to live a happier life these days… and that’s part of it.

lol

I still think the galaxy barrier looks goofy.

56. hitch1969© - January 15, 2007

The doc™ was doing J-Lo on da set and in walks Benny Affleck.

I don’t care if it’s DA TROOF or not DA TROOF, thats going to be my answer and dude, it should be yours too.

Now’s the part where you let me smell your finger, broham. Was she fine like cherry wine, or … loose like goose?

I’ve GOT to know, dude.

best!!

=h=

57. Aaron - January 15, 2007

PLEASE fix the angle of the ship. The Enterprise is not a helicopter. It does not need to tilt forward to move. See ST:TNG intro if you need to, but please, please fix this glaring error. Otherwise, the ship and lighting look stupendous.

58. Al - January 15, 2007

Concur the mix sounds wrong and the orchestra isn’t brassy and bright enough. Sometimes mono was better…

59. scott - January 15, 2007

Wow but this place has gotten really weird.

60. Mack N. Thupanz - January 15, 2007

That Scalos chick from “Wink of an Eye” sure makes my “one eye wink”TM, R, C

61. Scott Gammans - January 15, 2007

Aaron, I laughed out loud when I read your comment. The Enterprise *does* look like a helicopter flying through space with the nose-down attitude she has in the opening credits.

Oh well, I’ve given up on them fixing the music mix on the opening theme. I’m guessing that they paid that soprano beaucoup bucks when they re-recorded the theme and they want to make damn sure that she can be heard! LOL!

62. Scott Gammans - January 15, 2007

Oh and p.s., I hope Daren Dochterman never stops contributing comments to this forum. Daren (and Rick Sternbach) are AFAIK the only contributors who actually have worked professionally in the F/X industry–I find almost anything they have to say on Trek “Remastered” worthy of reading.

63. Paul - January 15, 2007

Re: 61…

I think you’re right on, Scott. The sound engineer/mixer knew what he was doing. I’m sure somebody whispered into his ear and told him, “You better make damn sure the diva can hear herself…especially that last note.” Aaaaaaawwwww! :O lol

Re: 38…

Leonidis, I appreciate your comments and agree with them. You are right that CBS is improving their work and perhaps will make the ship and starfield even better looking over time. I just wish the vessel and stars looked more 3 dimensional like Daren’s…with more shadow effects and various lighting sources to accentuate its E’s lines. Right now, the entire ship tends to look like it’s evenly glowing in the dark! lol

I sent Daren an email from his site but now see that he has been reading these comments. Daren…you’re the man! :)

64. Stanky McFibberich - January 15, 2007

I like CBS Digital’s work and that of Mr. Dochterman. Different interpretations, but both good in their own ways.

What I don’t like is reading ‘macinthepants’ 5 billion times a day.

65. Skippy 2k - January 15, 2007

I thought I would post this. In the “Wink of an Eye” topic SPOCKBOY put toghether four images of the planet shot in the credits. I added two more to it since there is usually a lot of discussion of Darren Doc’s update and I also added one from New Voyages.

I think overall I like the CBS version the best, close call between it and Darren’s. I like the Exeter one (and prefer the nacelle caps here) but I think maybe the lighting is just too bright for me in the image but I don’t recall it distracting me in the ep. And to add I think Exeter did an awesome job capturing the look of TOS, sets to ships (now just waiting for the rest :). As for the New Voyages one, it looks good in alot of shots but in some the gridlines are just to pronounced…liked the earlier model they used. Plus it looks like all the Engineering hull lights are off.

They all have there good and bad….well the digital stream one maybe just bad. Not just the enterprise but the big purple doomsday machine as well but I guess it was an early attempt.

Anyway, longer post than intended…here is the image.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6693/comparison2my2.jpg

66. Matt Wright - January 15, 2007

FYI: I just uploaded a new version of the credits with proper audio sync.

67. hitch1969© - January 15, 2007

Skippy,

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6693/comparison2my2.jpg

CBS-D is mac in the pants.

Dennis Bailey is mac in the pants

Of course the original is mac-mercedes of mac in the pants.

ANd I am sorry to report (or maybe not sorry) that while THE DOC™ had an impressive mac in the pants presentation, his nacelle caps looked like a mushroom cap penis glans. Again, depending on your point of view or not, this may make it a WIENER of the contest!

His nacelle caps are bulbous, glowing and swollen that way. Hey mister – keep it in your pants! Save that excitement for J Lo™!!

uhu uhuhu h uhu hu h uhuh uh

=h=

68. Skippy 2k - January 15, 2007

I agree, not too fond of the caps in that pic. Again while I think overall I prefer the CBS-D version there are several things in Darens version I like, and the only one I didn’t care for was the tractor beam effect. I thought his wrecked Constellation was awesome and liked most of the shots of the Enterprise, well I liked them all but some more than others. The Doomsday machine was a nice update while still maintaining the look of the original and while I like the original series transporter effect his update was pretty cool. :)

69. hitch1969© - January 15, 2007

The DOC™ is effing mac in the pants hardcore. Please dont confucious honest feedback of one picture with the fact that the dude got fired from the production of GIGLI because Ben Affleck caught him in the green room with his large bulbous and overgrown manhood splitting the hips of Jennifer Lopez.

It is said that J-Lo could never feel Ben Affleck after riding the massive monster that THE DOC™ put inside her.

For that reason alone, he should have gotten the TOS remaster jobby job. But he didn’t. so we move along. His work speaks for itself, and to us it’s like watching grate adult film™. We get off and then appreciate his talent in kind.

best!!

=h=

70. SPOCKBOY - January 15, 2007

I think I know why the diva’s voice stands out so much. At the end she slides from the second last note, right up to the last note like a f&%king “theremin” or something!

THEREMIN- Considered the first electronic musical instrument, invented in 1919 by Russian born Lev Sergeivitch Termen, which he anglicized to Leon Theremin. The theremin is unique in that it is the only musical instrument played without being touched. One antenna controls the volume of the sound, while the other controls the frequency, or pitch, of the sound. Used together you can creates sounds that can range from being very sci-fi-ish — a sort of quivering sound — as heard in early sci-fi movies like The Day the Earth Stood Still, to very complex jazz licks.

71. ECH - January 15, 2007

I always thought that the tilted down enterprise original model during credits was because a string broke and they were too cheap to reshoot due to deadlines. I always laughted at that and now with the cgi I still laugh but it is keeping true to the original show I would agree with CBS for keeping true to the original. But to fans, I want to see a enterprise not looking like a blured badly tilted ship. I agree with Capt Pike #4 and lose the skid.

72. SPOCKBOY - January 15, 2007

Silly silly billies.

The sequence was shot outdoors.The original 3 foot model was put on a wire about 20 feet up against a nice blue sky (cheap bluescreen I guess) and slid down towards the camera on said wire.
It was shot around this period…

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/restoration-thecage.jpg

I LIKE the angle myself.

73. SPOCKBOY - January 15, 2007

The BEST CG Constitution Class has to be in the “Enterprise”(groan) episode IN A MIRROR DARKLY done by EDEN FX I believe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/EDENFX.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/EDENFX1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/EDENFX2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/EDENFX3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/EDENFX4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/EDENFX5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/EDENFX6.jpg

THAT is what everyone should be aiming for.
I have to say in CBS DIGITAL’s defence however that their mattes and rotoscopings are fabulous. MOST of the planets(with the exception of Naked Time and Friday’s Child) look quite beautiful, and in Space Seed the big E looked really, really good. Whichever guy(s) on your team that handled THAT episode, THEY should be running things down there.
Some of their Enterprise flybys(CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER, I, MUDD, WINK OF AN EYE) were breathtakingly good.
The Enterprise is as integral a character as Kirk or Spock. It MUST look exactly right. Can you imagine Kirk with a slightly different nose, or eyes, or different walk?
It just wouldn’t look right.
Nobody would except it.
The model HAS improved immensely but I think alot of us are JADED that you guys couldn’t get it right in the first place. Especially when there are so many good CGI Enterprises out there on the internet and television who DID get it right the first time.

-The NCC-1701’s on the lower half of the saucer are TOO big and too close to the flashing lights.
-The deflector dish is COPPER, not grey.
-The balls on the backs of the nacelles are TOO small.
-The watermarks are missing.
-The flashing lights are way too dim( if you’ve ever seen the flashing lights on a 747 at night they are BRIGHT and this is the 23rd century?)
-The lights under the hangar deck are missing.
-The 2 lights sticking out on either side of the bridge dome are RED.

74. SPOCKBOY - January 15, 2007

SEE?
Not that hard.
I promise to NEVER mention those things again, but you must understand that if WE (the nobodys)see these things and YOU(the somebodys)DONT see ……How can we respect your work?

I’m so tired of this damned CG thing.
If they had taken the 11 footer and fixed it up or made an exact replica with more details inside of the windows etc. there would never have been a single critisism of how it looked.
How could there be?
It’s real. It exists.
The nacelles would have been perfect. The lighting would have looked realistic and it would NEVER have looked like a cartoon. Not to mention an 11 foot model with TODAYS cameras and FX would have looked HUGE. Greg Jein’s Enterprise (Trials and Tribblelations) was only HALF that size.
IF CGI isnt up to the job yet then perhaps it should only be used to ENHANCE things and make cities and phasers and things unitl it IS up to the job.
I think the people at CBS DIGITAL are talented folks without question, and I sympathize with their hectic schedule and the pressure from the fans but the ENTERPRISE has to be perfect.
PERFECT meaning accurate.
PERFECT meaning REAL looking.
THATS ALL.
Everything you need to MAKE it perfect is out there at your disposal.
USE IT.
We are on your side.
We WANT you to do well.
We WANT it to look amazing.
Please remember, we’ve been looking at this girl for 40 years now.
We know every line, every curve.
Please treat the old girl with the repect she deserves.

I thank you for the things that you HAVE done well, and hope to see MORE of them in the near future.

BEST of luck.

75. hitch1969© - January 15, 2007

Spockboy®

Good point(s). BUTT, too demanding.

The entire point of CGI is to eliminate costs associated with the kind of model photography you speak of. Look at the fist Atari videogames, pong and such. COMPARE with the Xbox 360 and the like. While home entertainment is another breed altogether, to movie makers…. it is to live action shots and models as such. Even the advent of these things, Lucas, went from live action to digital.

Whoever said that TOS deserved a makeover? THAT is the point you miss. DO YOU SEE any, effing ANY, sci fi show let alone any show getting the remaster treatment?

Trek leads the way, just as it did in home video. NOW you can get just about any series on dvd. Wasnt the case in 1985, wassit gov?

CBS-D has been correcting things at a record pace AND listening to fan feedback. IMAGINE where that could be in 20 years? REMEMBER, Dr. McCoy, that they are restricted both budget and time RIGHT NOW.

this is just poopypants, complaining that all you got for Xmas was blue dress socks when what you wanted was a Wii, Nintendo DS, AND an effing Xbox360. DO YOU KNOW that there are kids in China that have no socks, let alone dress blues?

DID YOU KNOW that there are dudes who have never laid down with many many many promiscuous woman such like you and I?

best!!

=h=

76. Adam Cohen - January 15, 2007

Daren Doc,

I love you. Awesome post. Hitch, you got Daren The “Docter” to say macinthepants and with meaning! Anthony has to be amused by that event.

77. Thomas Jensen - January 16, 2007

I am all over this thread with the reading and such. All have great points, all love the show. I have respect for such people. This wouldn’t be taking place anywhere else. Thanks to the crew from those who have been there from the beginning of the journey.

78. hitch1969© - January 16, 2007

Tommy Jenny™ with the Sears tape recorder and the family talking and pissing you off and all dat.

I TOTALLY indentified with that, dude.

I didnt perform surgery in the TV and clip the speaker terminals until much later in life when I needed to complete my man-room gay-rage though. officer thinking on your part. wish i had, earlier.

=h=

79. SPOCKBOY - January 16, 2007

Well,
now that I have all the bitching and poopy pants stuff out of the way.

Here is something I threw together in honour of next weeks episode.
Its dedicated to all you Star Wars fans hiding in the grassy knoll ; )

What would happen if Darth Vader met Gary Mitchell?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/darth01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/darth02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/DARTH03.jpg

80. Jim J - January 16, 2007

Fascinating: The discussion a little ol’ clip can cause! Most of the threads are interesting, but this one is fascinating! ;-)

81. Thomas Jensen - January 16, 2007

Hitch, We are together for better weather. I’m honored to have an actual TM next to my name. What could be better? Will you join my vendetta against the machine? Not using rage, but sage. Someone at CBS audio needs to fix the title music, the singer and all that.

I feel like the grup during “Miri” holding the bicycle out to McCoy saying, “Fix?” But then CBS says, “Someone will fix it”. Then the Soprano comes flying in at full speed and body slams me to the ground and says, “this music belongs to me now! Go away.”

I’ve been there since the beginning. I don’t wanna go yet.

82. SithMenace - January 16, 2007

I say regardless of the FEW mistakes they have made so far, it looks a helluva lot better than the original effects. And just the fact that they haven’t tried to insert musical numbers (Jabba’s palace) or new CGI characters makes me wish Lucas respected his own property half as much. Keep up the good work CBS D.

83. Demode - January 16, 2007

You guys are all nuts! lol… I think the new Enterprise fly-by looks fantastic. Some people think they should make it look like the 1701-D fly-by from Next Gen. No way! This is a true homage to the original. Everything about this openning rocks, and I look forward to seeing them update the previous episodes with this model. Well done CBS-D!

84. Robert J. Sawyer - January 16, 2007

I noticed from the first shot that the opening credits had been reworked for WINK OF AN EYE. Why? Because the starfield looked completely fake: the stars look evenly distributed — about the same amount of space between each one — instead of randomly distributed (some close together, some far apart).

And the distinctive star pattern that looks a bit like the big dipper or a pixelated outline of the Enterprise itself, which is in the real 1960s opening credits in the upper-left of the screen over the “Space, the final frontier” narration), is gone (it HAD been faithfully reproduced in the earlier CBS Digital versions of the credits). Also, the stars are all the same size now, and they weren’t in the original version. I think the work on the Enterprise is terrific, but the new starfield is a letdown.

Robert J. Sawyer
http://sfwriter.com

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86. Dr. Image - January 16, 2007

#73- SPOCKBOY:
Yes, I agree. Although they seem to have gotten the nacelle ball issue corrected (at least in the credits).
Those under-the-hangar-deck lights REALLY should be lit up, and the nav strobes should be closer to reality and Trumbull’s TMP Ent than barely visible.
BUT, now that I’m looking back at Eden’s fx- with the heavy grid lines and aztec patterning, I’m liking CBS’s vision better. Go figure.
And as far as starfields are concerned, my old Win 98 screensaver looks better.

87. T Negative - January 16, 2007

I have to say that the Defiant looks a BILLION times better than that garbage dumpster looking E from Star Trek Enterprise. It just shows you how timeless Matt Jeffries ideas were. When I first saw the promo for Enterprise in 2001, I said to myself….. I’ve seen enough, this is not Star Trek.

At least try to make it look pre-Jefferies, as far as i’m concerned no effort was made in that regard AT ALL. Therefore, I did not watch this crap that had the Star Trek name associated with it when claerly it was not.

This a great shot……

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/EDENFX5.jpg

That is all.

88. Dr. Image - January 16, 2007

#87- Though I totally agree with the above, actually I was referring to Eden’s depiction of a Constitution-class ship (the Defiant). Even IT has the grid lines and patterning that bug me. The latest ep of New Voyages commits even greater heresy with the damn grid lines. Almost looks as bad as the Smithsonian paint job. CBS is getting it right- even though it’s taking a while. And you know why? They’re listening to guys like us.
It’s long overdue that TPTB listens to fans. I’m impressed.

89. T Negative - January 16, 2007

#88
Touche,

What struck me when viewing those pics it was how good the old-school constitution class starship looks compared to the absolutely horrible design from Star Trek Enterprise. It is amazing how much better Jefferies designs look compared Berman’s abortion design.

Am I the only one who thinks that the old School E looks as good as anything out there when photographed or rendered with modern techniques?? This is why I hope Abrams uses Jefferies design and just spruces it up a little for the big screen. I would hope for another 11 foot model that emulates Jeferies design with a little flare thrown in.

90. Robert Bernardo - January 16, 2007

Paul wrote:

> The latest version of the E still looks too “CG” and video like if you ask
> me.

Finally got to see Wink of an Eye that I captured on my DVD recorder. The Enterprise looks much better now that they have brightened her up and made her less shadowy. I’m pleased. Engines still a bit too glowy from the side but still o.k..

91. Matt Wright - January 16, 2007

“What struck me when viewing those pics it was how good the old-school constitution class starship looks compared to the absolutely horrible design from Star Trek Enterprise. It is amazing how much better Jefferies designs look compared Berman’s abortion design. ”

I totaly agree. I was watching the Enterprise block on Sci-Fi last night and I just can’t get into it very much. The damn ship is clearly derived from the “ST:VOY” style of design and not Matt Jefferies.

92. Kevin - January 16, 2007

Oh my…. since a few episodes into TOSR, I had forgotten what a good job was done w/ the Defiant in “Enterprise.” I remember when the first episode of TOSR aired. In my ingnorance, I thought that the constitution class from “Enterprise” had been done by CBS-D. I couldn’t understand how they could do such a great job w/ “In the Mirror Darkly” and screw up w/ ” Balance of Terror” so badly. Now I know.

As for the Enterprise design from “Enterprise” (god that sounds redundant) it was not designed by Berman. The man takes a lot of flak for being mostly the bean counter (he did give me some shows I was very fond of, so I gotta defend a bit).

Now I didn’t really like the design either. Not to mention the hand held scanners smaller than TNG tricorders that could do everything a tricorder from the TOS era could do. Nor the phase pistols being used when in Pike’s time hand lasers were being used. Nor mind melds being illegal… the list goes on and I forgot what I was talking about.

93. Sybok - January 17, 2007

The new Enterprise is much better, except I think the engine “bulbs” should glow brighter. Bob Sawywer is right about the star field.

I say get rid of the “soprano” and bring back the “electric violin” that was used only once, I believe, in The Man Trap !

94. Matt Wright - January 17, 2007

Re: electric opening music — It was used for the first 3 or 4 episodes as I recall.

95. cd - January 18, 2007

I think CBS Digital is doing a fantastic job!
The Scalos city, although it is difficult to see it in episode, is very realistic as a standalone picture. It looked like a real model! >;>} Is that really all CG: if so it is very good.
My only criticism is that it is much busier than the original, maybe too much so. I would have preferred something closer to the original matte painting. But that matte painting was used so much, for many different locations, maybe they are going to create different versions of it, different enough to represent more believeably those different planets.
The Enterprise looks pretty good, as far as I can tell (blurry cable feed for local station plus blurry projection TV: waiting for U-Verse and new TV). The only observation I would make is the concentric rings on the underside of the primary hull are too visible (I could see them quite well on my blurry on blurry setup >;>} ). Otherwise, looks good. The exit shot on “Wink” was cool!
And please fix the singer in the credits. Put the original back in, or something.
Looking forward to “Where”: keep up the good work!

96. SPOCKBOY - January 26, 2007

As far as cities and mattes go CBS DIGITAL’S work has been outstanding unquestionably. Now just think how wonderful everything would have been if they had picked up one of these 5 and a half foot beauties for a mere $10,000 and left the CGI to do all the mattes and backgrounds and such…
(look at those nacelles!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPwLJHwpxLE

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