First Images from ‘Where No Man Has Gone Before’ Remastered January 16, 2007
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: TOS Remastered , trackbackCBS has just sent over these amazing images of the Galactic Barrier and Delta Vega station. Enjoy.
Although everyone is waiting for the big event of Doomsday coming up next month, this weekend’s episode looks to have a few tricks up its sleeve.
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That’s indeed a great depiction of the Galactic Barrier, and even better than the one they used in Star Trek V. A movie that also needs the remastered treatment, in my opinion.
That’s by far the best work I’ve seen from CBS Digital.
Love this episode.
I’ll have to double, if not tripple check to make sure my tivo works this week — unlike last week.
And yes, Star Trek V should absolutely get a touch-up or a redo, because the special effects there, suck.
I like that barrier shot, as well as the vega station but is it changed? Is it done like the castle in menagerie where it wasn’t changed too much, looks like it did in the original?
Uhg. That barrier. It doesnt even look like a barrier. It looks like a cloud. It looks like a cheap TV version of the Praxis blast (which is almost 20 years old for christsake). I’d expect this kind of CGI looking particle effects for Babylon 5, but not here.
I’d also like to point out something else the CBS digital team don’t get: Scale. Here, along with “Corbomite Maneuver” you originally had a tiny ship against a large obstacle. It looked menacing no matter how dated or cheap. The CBS team insist on making the ship much large in their compositions reducing the implied difference in size and hence the danger.
Allright, looked over at trekcore…nice subtle improvements! :)
I dunno. Delta Vega looks good, but I am not convinced by the Barrier and I don’t know yet what I think of the 2nd Pilot Enterprise. It looks too, well, animated.
Rob+
Well, the barrier in Star Trek V was at the CENTER of the galaxy. The one shown here, in WNMHGB is at the EDGE of the galaxy. Why would anyone be so silly as to compare the FX of the two anyway? One’s a movie from 17 years ago, the other is a CG remastered TV episode.
I can’t wait to see these shots in motion. So far, CBS-D has done fantastic work, I give them a lot of credit for being ambitious with this epic episode.
I LOVE IT! Looks like a dangerous energy storm.
I think those look fantastic! This is one of my favorite episodes.
As for redoing the fx in ST:V…. ummmm… no, I think we should just forget that film ever happened.
Meh…I was hoping for more work with the Delta Vega Ore Cracking Station. This just looks like the original matte painting with some little lights added.
This looks like a case where CBS Digital listened to the fans a bit too much and kept the painting as-is for the most part. Compared to the remastered Janus IV station from Devil in the Dark, this is lacking.
This is not macinthepants.
#10 Agree, Star Trek V stinks no matter what they do to it.
But, I have to say that the galactic barrier in this photo looks fantastic. The original galactic barrier didn’t look like something that could happen naturally in space as where this new shot looks much more believable. I have a theory that the galactic barrier is a massive magnetic/gravitational field that draws you in towards it the closer you get, that is why you simply cannot “fly over it”. Does that work for everyone??? ;-)
I had a feeling they would only tweak the Lithium Cracking station in this episode, the original was just fine.
To me, it looks too much like a painting. Either make ALL the planetscapes realistic or leave them all fake. I don’t like mixing it up.
10, 12 – Okay, Trek V was flawed. But the movie still deserves better special efects than it got. And changing the finale back to Kirk fighting the rock monsters would be cool, as opposed to the god head zapping him with death beams from its eyes.
The new cracking station photo has the set in the upper right hand corner. I have a feeling we may Mr. Kelso or somebody else walking around up there through the windows??
Weighing in with the negative. Man, I HATE being negative! ;-)
I’m thinking the galactic barrier should look more like the aurora borealis than a nebula. At least that’s what it reminded me of in the original version. Lines of corruscading energy versus fibrous candy floss.
Did they do a bottom-up CGI re-do of the station on Delta Vega, or did they just tweak the original painting? It looks like a tweak job. I love that original painting, but it might have been nice for it to get the digital matte treatment, with its better perspective and suchlike. The perspective on this image is wanky. I really enjoyed the job they did on Starbase 11 and Scalos.
Change this! Don’t change that! Boy, what is it with us hard-to-please fanboys?! I hate being a hard-to-please fanboy! Won’t somebody help me?
Carry on, CBS Digital; you’re doing a wonderful job despite my needling.
Scott B. out.
#1 & # 8—yeah, i was gonna say, the one in Star Trek V was the GREAT Barrier whereas this is the GALACTIC Barrier
also, the Great Barrier was blue and the Galactic Barrier is like pink-ish
and yeah, as subtle as the matte painting changes are, they’re great
and i agree about the lack of scale
but other than that, CBS Digital is doing a great job
i only hope they fix the scale problem for “Doomsday Machine”
17 – Mea culpa. I guess I can only remember one totally nonexistent galactic barrier at a time.
Star Trek V’s effects still deserve updating, though.
I’m going to post this over here since it seems to have gotten lost in all the other stuff that’s happening in the original thread I posted it.
http://www.gabekoerner.com/ent/enterprise_hd_001.jpg
This is NOT Star Trek XI official art but it is a very good example of what kind of changes an updated Enterprise might have in the new movie.
I think these new shots look pretty good.
#19 the problem I have with that design is that it looks a helluva lot like the Enterprise-E. Or perhaps I should say the Enterprise-E designers borrowed a lot from the classic Enterprise (no bloody A, B, C or D). The deflector dish really reminds me of the E’s, I keep seeing Worf and Picard in space suits with Borg crawling over it.
I think you guys are right. Delta Vega looks like it only has lights added and a few more subtle changes,
See for yourself…
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/DeltaVegacomparison.jpg
I can’t damn CBS DIGITAL for their loyalty though.
I think it’s pretty hard to judge scale without a common frame of reference. How can you know how big the barrier is? It’s not fair to judge CBS by this image. The barrier dosen’t have an object in it to tell you how big it is.
Give CBS a break till we see this this weekend! I think it looks quite good. Whose to know also what a Galactic Barrier is suppose to look like. Spock says the sensors don’t sense energy or matter, negative density and no radiation. It could look like anything!
By the way, I have a theory to explain why the Barrier looks like a thin band. When you look at a Galaxy on edge, it looks like a thin long elliptical object. Perhaps the matter or photons of the barrier just looks like a thin band as it wraps around the edge.
I think the Delta Vega Cracking station looks terrific. It’s a cleaned up verison of the original. In keeping with the past effort of the Starbase seen in Mengerie, they are maintaining the basic design and style of the original and adding a lot more detailing and lighting.
hmmm… I never saw the alternate ending. I do know that the original script called for them using the galactic barrier featured in this episode. Which I probably would have much prefered. I did enjoy the begining at Yosemite though.
As for the matte, I think it will look better on screen.
#12 I don’t know. There would have to be a reason for this gravitational distortion. It is true this thing appears to be just a ring around the edge of the galaxy so one wonders why not simply take the ship around it. There would have to be some kind of mass involved to create any kind of pull. I seem to recall that ship’s sensors registered nothing of the sort (it has been awhile since I saw this episode which is for some reason not working on my dvd’s). Maybe if this was where much of the galaxy’s elusive dark matter was…. dunno.
Has anyone else noticed that USA Network plays Star Trek V with all of the continuity gaffs and the fart jokes removed? Even then, it’s a weak movie. And it’s not because the special effects weren’t special enough. It was because they insisted on a plot that left you with a “Who cares?” feeling. Find God on just one planet? Galactic Barrier or no, that’s just so dull. ST XI (yes, there is a point to my tirade) MUST focus on relationships and cool stuff, but NOT try to resolve eternal struggles of mankind. Trek is at its best when it’s about people, not BEMs, sfx, or Salt Vampires.
ps- If the Barrier were that bright, we’d see it from Earth. We can see quazars a buhzillion light years away. It’s fun fiction, but it hardly matters which direction they take the art. We’ll only believe it when Kirk and company react to it.
And if we had the internet forty years ago, would the comments be any different?
I have been impressed and excited by most of the CBS team’s work, but I am disappointed by these two shots from “Where No Man Has Gone Before.” The Delta-Vega painting looks like a painting. I always thought the original was embarassing because it looks like a painting, but told myself “They didn’t have the budget.” Now in 2007 it still looks like a painting, not like a realistic setting.
The Galactic barrier is pretty but looks like a cloud, and I agree it looks beautiful but not menacing. The original actually was more dramatic with its sparks of energy emanating from it (at least until one realizes you can go over or under the thing). And I agree with the post that in “The Corbomite Maneuver” and this episode that a big opportunity is lost without a sense of scale. The normally big Enterprise being dwarfed by the larger Fesarius or Galactic barrier would make a much bigger dramatic impact.
Don’t want to be critical -I am grateful for the remastered episodes and generally pleased with the work (including the new Enterprise model) but I want to point out my disappointments in the spirit of constructive criticism.
It’s the same painting with color correction, some VERY minor digital enhancements…like the lights. They didn’t put much into this one. You can see in the comparison shot posted a couple posts up.
You can’t compare this effort to what was done for the Starbase in The Menagerie. That was pretty much a complete cgi redo….and was done very well I might add. The lithium cracking station should have gotten the same treatment. I am not trying to be a malcontent whiner here…but c’mon. The honest and fair criticism is that CBS D’s work has been inconsistent. You never know from one week to the next what the quality is going to be. When it’s good…it’s REAL good. When it’s bad…it makes you ask “why did they bother?”. Well, with the lithium cracking station, for me at least…it’s why bother?
As for Star Trek V….sure, redo the visuals…why not? It would at least make the film bearable to watch. Right now…it’s just beyond bad in nearly every conceivable way. The only thing good about it are the characterizations — and that part was a no-brainer.
The original Starbase painting in “Menagerie” was pretty weak and needed replacing, and it WAS replaced. Delta Vega was a cool painting to begin with and only needed a little touchup.
The painting here is great…just like the matte on Rigel, if t aint broke, don’t fix it. I totaly appreciate the CBS team’s appreciation of the original and applaud their decision to go low key here. The barrier looks great too. I think it’s funny how some people are saying it doesn’t look like a “great barrier”. Show me a photo of a real outer space energy barrier sometime and then maybe we can argue that point. Until then, the barrier above is as good a “barrier” as I’ll ever see.
And Trek 5 rocked…closest to the series in my opinion…so many really good character moments. Really beautiful score as well. And just like the series it was all about the characters and not so much about the eye candy. Nothing wrong with that.
Cool is one thing…fake is another. Let’s face it…all the matte paintings in TOS were great…AS PAINTINGS.
But when trying to make things (at least I assume that’s the goal with CBS D) more realistic — why not replace them all?
That’s all I am saying.
#29, you miss the point.
The remastered barrier looks not much different from The Mutara Nebula in ST2. The original barrier effects were more unique and cool! If anything should have been remained true to, I would say that was more deserving than the lithium cracking station. The ideal thing would have been to have the original fx for the nebula and just digitally composite a new cgi Enterprise into the existing barrier footage (I am not sure those background plates exist as separate elements anymore, but I am speaking of a “perfect world” solution).
I’m happy to know that since this is a first season episode, the title theme music won’t be having the annoying opera singer above the fray. Also it should have a different musical orchestration from other first season episodes for the titles.
I just won a STV re-edit DVD on ebay which is supposed to cut out parts and redo the movie to make it better. We’ll see.
Does it have new CGI effects? LOL!! For me to buy it, it would have to have a ravenous horde of killer Rockmen in the gut-wrenching finale. LOL
and they’d have to change the whole 100 decks on the Enterprise thing
Why, of course! They would have to digitally RE-LABEL every one of those decks…otherwise no takers here! LOL
Forgot to say, they should cgi Leonard Nimoy’s head on the Spock Baby (Like they did with Wayans in Little Man) and when Sarek says “so human…” Spock should clock him in the head! LMAO!!!!
Now THAT would be worth buying! LOL
I have to agree.
The original Scalosian city was total crap and SCREAMED for replacement, whereas Delta Vega has a FEEL to it, a mood. Very desolate and grim. The dark clouds really give a sense of impending doom.
The only thing I would have done would have been to perhaps replace those giant oval bins with a CG model with exactly the same look but less “paintingish”
However, I’m sure TIME was a factor in only “TWIKKING” it.
I actually LIKE the galactic barrier but I’m more interested in how the Big E moves through it.
What bothers me the most is the fact that(according to the preview anyway)when Mitchell zaps Kirk and Spock it still has that painful electrical charge effect. No I know for a fact that 20 minutes with the “Illusion” program could have created something much better, if only to ENHANCE the electrical charge.
I’m very happy though that Trek is being re-done like this. If it weren’t I never would have met any of YOU fine folks…..; )
Anyway guys, I’m pleased to bring you a pic (beautifully restored by Curtsmedia) of what Delta Vega REALLY looked like….
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/wherenomanhasgonebefore1-1.jpg
Meant to clarify….BABY Spock would clock Sarek in the head…LMAO!!
I really don’t know what’s going to be in this STV re-edit DVD. I actually think the rockman scene will be in it. But it was inexpensive so I thought I’d give it a try. But to get the movie where it needs to be, it’ll probably be the 5 minute version :)
Both images look good to me! I always liked the original Delta Vega station, and am glad they refrained from needless alterations and instead just went for enhancements. As for the Barrier, it makes no more scientific sense than ESP does, but that need not detract too much from enjoying the episode.
We all know the really big challenge is Doomsday Machine – here’s hoping they’ve had time to invest in those pixels.
Still with all this work how hard would have been to fix the tombstone?
Even using MSPaint this only takes like one minute.
http://kelvington.com/JamesTKirk.jpg
Can’t wait to see the show though.
I made an edit of Trek 5 once replacing some fx and trying to fix glitches like the deck numbers. What I actually did there was to edit it so they actually climb the ladder the whole way and come to the observation room/transmitter. It worked pretty well and removed the thruster boots which I didn’t really care for, especially in the opening scene where he flies straight down and then is floating horizontally. I also edited that out and changed McCoy’s line from “You should have been killed when you fell of that mountain” to “You should have fell off that mountain”.
I wanted to go back and redo it better but haven’t yet.
Um, it’s not the effects that need to be overhauled in Trek V.
#41: Cool. But can MS Paint do it on shots where the camera moves?
I do wish they had fixed it, though.
43- You have a point, but in a way doesn’t that make Star Trek V a perfect candidate for a retouch? If it were a classic film there’d be a ton of fans saying don’t alter a thing.
Star Trek V’s effects were terrible even on the day it premiered. Changing them and doing a few other alterations might help make it watchable.
I agree it isn’t the best of the movies but there are a few parts I actually like. I was also really hoping with the Directors Editions/Special Editions they would try and fix some of them. :( There is also an edit that makes it like a TOS episode and with some of the original series music cues.
I am fine with the matte… it was never wrong. And although I don’t really see what CBS-D will or won’t “fix” by rule… I think they have hit their stride.
The barrier is far better and if you dislike it… what should it be then? Brick? A Q-like grid? Shiny and reflective? I always considered it as the Shock-wave from the movement of the galaxy through intergalactic space… sounds romantic anyway. And if it were all-encompassing… it WOULD be visible from earth and blot out our view of other galaxies. I guess I am not as easily offended as some.
enough with the dam tombstone already…
R is for Remastered
I have a feeling we will see bolts of lightning or huge flahes of energy while the E goes through it. The picture tells only part of the story.
CBS-Digital is going to surprise us here. When it’s all said and done the barrier will have death written all over it.
20 – I kind of like the deflector dish here. On TOS model I always felt like it could snap off real easy.
My only problem is with the sparkling orb-things at the tips of the nacelles. What are those supposed to be, anyway? There’s a reason they got rid of them for TMP model, I think.
Anyway, I thought it was well done overall and exemplified that there’s room for interpretation with these things. That ship’s still the Enterprise, just a little different.
well, I know that on the TNG era ships they’re called Bussard Ramscoops collectors. They use magnetic fields to trap interstellar hydrogen (which is actually pretty abundant). But I’m not sure if these existed on TOS era ships. I can’t seem to find any information on them at the moment (yes I’m pretty sure they were placed there during the original filming b/c they looked cool and didn’t actually have a purpose… nor did the sensor domes or deflector dish).
Oh no! Do my eyes decieve me, did I read the words “Q forcefield!”
How immediately dated and ineffective was THAT particular effect?
One thing is for certain, if we are going for consistency and homogenous visual recognition, as much as it pains me to say so, the first two seasons of Next Gen, as well as Trek V should also be Remastered, then finally, for better or worse, regardless of what one may think of any given series or season, all will visually appear related and existing within the same universe.
Oh yes, this is the master plan. A uniform, homogenized Trek universe.
I used to consider TAS season 4 and 5 respectively, but then I remembered that according to the Chronology and Encyclopedia, “WNMHGB ” occurs one year after the launch of Enterprise, then “The Corbomite Manuever” took place one year after this episode, so that leaves roughly two years to play with as far as filling in any particular gaps of Trek lore, as well as visually explaining the set and uniform inconsistencies so, it all works out nicely. The only problem is, it puts “Turnabout Intruder” literally towards the end of the 5 year mission.
And suppose the series had lasted 5 years not Three? Would it have become a 7 year mission, or would everything had been truncated to neatly fit within the 5 year charter?
I cant believe how incredible CBS are at improving the matte paintings. Anyone who asks ‘why bother?’ when looking at the new version of Delta Vega isnt looking hard enough. It is incredible what a little bit of lighting and a clean up will do.
It looks like the forground has been replaced too. Very nice.
Since Trek fans are know as nit-pickers, I have some problems with their depiction of the pilot versions of the Enterprise.
Several markings are missing on the saucer and bridge dome (based on their version of the ISS Enterprise). The “NCC-1701″ need to be inverted.
The lower nav dome didn’t have the “nipple” on the pilot version
And although they have the “grill” version of the nacelle end caps, they’re the wrong color.
I’m sure I could find more differences if I look closer
#37
“Anyway guys, I’m pleased to bring you a pic (beautifully restored by Curtsmedia) of what Delta Vega REALLY looked like….”
What I’ve always wanted to know about the facility on Delta Vega, based upon the doorway, was this….
…Was it originally constructed by a sub-species (taller) of the Krell?
LOL
I think that the people over at CDS Digital are doing an amazing job at cleaning up the original series. Up here in Canada, I can’t view the entire episodes so I rely on the clips and pics that are posted here. I am really happy that they didn’t change everything too much otherwise they would take away from the original feel of the show. I have noticed a lot of nit-pickers saying they are unhappy with this or that.. what do you guys want? Why not just reshoot the entire series with todays effects and CG? No, the touch ups are nice retouching of the original show. Keep up the great work and love reading everyone’s posts!
One more thing.. IF they ever redo the effects in the movies.. I hope they don’t touch ST2 … I think it looks great the way it is… the mutara nebula scenes are some of the best in any ST incarnation. I remember going to see this when it first premiered in the theatres.. how awesome the pictures and sound was. Maybe it’s just me.. but I love the look of the models rather than the CG ships.
#54…. I have looked at it for a while now and although I have to say the matt painting is a definite improvement it could have been better.I can see they have worked on it quite a bit tidy up the edge of the door opening so the line isn’t such a hard edge.
I have to agree with post 11 that compared with Janus IV station from Devil in the Dark, its not up to the high standard of detail they produced there. Maybe it will look better on screen? Maybe the clouds will move?
But if is a bit of a shame it’s not to the same level of detail as the Janus IV station. CBS have done some excellent work on the remastering so far and it must be hard to keep up the high standard of work each week in so little time, this is exactly why I really hope they are given more time and money to go back and look at all they have done when the TV run is over before any potential DVD are released.
CBS despite all their good work are sometimes being almost frustraightingly restrained with shots and effects that could be improved on.I guess it’s always been there decision not to go crazy or over load with the new effects so the look and feel of the original isn’t lost.
I think they really fear getting slated by the fans who never wanted the changes made in the first place too much. I think they are maybe being a tad to respectful sometimes. I mean who is this project really for? The original intent was to preserve the original and then update it for a modern audience. I think they are trying very hard to please too many people and as a result we get very restrained work now and again.
I think the improvement they have made have been wonderful and very close to the look and feel of the original and its because of this I think they should have worked on the Delta Vega station in a similar style as they did the Janus IV station. I do like the new barrier image I think it looks fantastic, its how I imaged it when I first saw the episode, I mean who really knows what a Galactic Barrier looks like?
When I see the Galactic barrier it looks like its in space but when I look at the Delta Vega station although much improved it still looks like a painting in the background. Hopefully it will look better on screen , I guess we will have to wait and see.
What I really like to see when they have finished this project is something that has a consistent visual look and feel through out.
I feel this matt is slightly out of style from the previous matt paintings they have produced. I don’t know if its time and money, I think and I feel its more a creative decision they have made. I really hope they don’t go this route with all the other matt paintings to come. Last weeks matt for Wink of an Eye was brilliant almost model like; I hope that 3D style matt is used throughout.
I might be wrong it could look better on the day. When comparing it to the original it does look much improved but I just feel it’s not up to the previous efforts.
First, I think the CBS guys appreciate all the nit-picking. It’s clear they’re listening. Some of it is over the top, but all-in-all, we are the fans, here on this forum. The ones who are going to be ponying up for yet another DVD set of TOS episodes we’ve all seen a jillion times. So, complain away, I say! It’s mostly well-intentioned. We love this show! Let’s let them know what they get right, and what still needs work. I think a lot of what we say will affect the final effects that wind up on a new collection in a year or two. At least I hope so.
Second…I’ll never forget the looks on the faces of the crowd of people coming out of the theater’s first showing as my wife and I patiently waited in line to see Star Trek V…it looked like they were leaving the funeral service of their favorite uncle. While ST5 had its moments, let’s face it, it was basically a remake of the 2nd worst episode of Star Trek, “The Way to Eden!” Think about it!
Scott B. out
I like the matte. Remember this is a still. On the screen, it’ll probably seem more three-dimensional!
Like the Rigel 7 matte, I’m betting we won’t see anything different in that shot of Delta Vega except the minor improvements in the photo. Maybe the lights will blink, though.
But I wish they’d add some movement to the clouds to make it come alive. Maybe they did. But I doubt it.
One thing struck me in looking at the barrier shot–
What if it was a wider agnle shot, with the Enterprise looking much smaller in scale, a la the shots of the TMP Enterprise in V’Ger? The scale of the shot would be more impressive, i think.
But I’m not complaining. I’m just throwing an idea out there :)
A lot of people here are calling The Doomsday Machine and secondly The Ultimate Computer and The Enterprise Incident and I think even Elaan of Troyas as high water marks for the CBS D team to pull off new CGI. And I agree they’ll be interesting to see, I can’t wait!
But what about The Immunity Syndrone? The Delta Vega Litihium Cracking Station and Rigel Fortress matte paintings were highly iconic Star Trek images, so the amount of restraint on those were appropriate I think.
So when it comes to The Immunity Syndrome single celled organism and the Doomsday Machine itself, these are iconic too. How can the cell be redone? The original effect was pretty well done. Looks like 2 sheets of clear gels with colored fluid between. A certain vibrancy is there, a CGI cell could look CGI. It will interesting to see the results! The CBS team is doing a great job and improving all the time.
I agree that the Immunity Syndrome is going to be a major job to redo. I for one hope the organism looks more like a real cell than a lava lamp.
But I would hate to be in their shoes when it comes to the Doomsday Machine. Having the pressure of the great job by Daren already out there, they will be trying to not only live up to it but avoid looking like they copied ideas from it. I don’t envy them.
Delta Vega was always my favorite ‘matte’ depiction of planetary buildings in TOS.
The updated one looks good/better. What would have been REALLY cool would have been for them to have given us a different perspective of the same exact structures. Like maybe a “panning” shot instead of just the matte.
Still, it looks ok. Too bad they don’t have time to do more.
Anthony — as good as it is for CBS Digital to send over the images, don’t you receive better quality versions than are posted here on the site? They’re always so small and they lack the sharpness and detail which shots even this small should have.
I’m not sure what’s going on here, since even the “high res” desktop images that startrek.com provides for download are soft and look like they are blown up from smaller images, rather than reduced from *real* HD images, which they obviously have in at least 2 megapixel format.
Okay, I know smaller pics are easier for web presentation, but it would be nice to have the option of better ones. The only *really* HD image that I’ve seen from the restoration is the castle from Catspaw. The alternative art posted in this thread by Trekweb Forever is also great quality; why can’t we get this for the CBS Digital work?
We’re only judging on a still frame here. Who’s to say we WON’T see a pan in there when its actually aired? Maybe even some cloud motion?? But even if we don’t, I agree with Canonista that this is one of the most iconic of Trek’s images, not to mention a superb example of matte painting, so less is more in this instance. I think the added contrast and more naturalistic lighting coming from the horizon line is a nice change. Anything more would have been gilding the lily.
And #37, Spockboy, that’s a great behind the scene’s photo! Thanks for the link!
#46, for me to be able to watch that again, it would need retouched effects AND some serious editing. Unfortunately it’s the only TOS movie that’s unwatchable for me.
Mutara Nebula Barrier, Looks beautiful though
Adam we need to start a Deeny Crane talkback there were some classic Shatnerisms last evening and last week he was passed out in a New Orleans Hotel Room bed with a half dozen hookers. Plus our Captain seems to have shed a few pounds (face looks less bloated) Hmmmm could he be getting himself in shape for a certain role????????????
52 – Thanks for the info. I got a chance to see the video that one picture is from, and the orb-things do look better in motion, like there’s something mechanical under there. Does it really make any more sense? No, but like you said, they’re really just there to look cool anyway.
46 – Yes, it’s the worst of TOS movies. It’d be interesting if Shatner was given the opportunity to go back and give us the Director’s Cut of it, though, like with TMP. That way we could at least see what he had in mind with the movie, and judge him fairly as a director.
By the way we officially made the big time. Aintitcool has started a remastered Trek talk back. One guy said Star Trek is pooping diamonds very funny stuff. Congrats Anthony and all my fellow posters even the two who insist Voyager was good. Two years ago hollywood was saying Trek was dead. Well all the Next generation era Trek may be dead but as the poster said at aintitcool “Trek is Sh*tting diamonds” now. Real Star Trek is back, hotter than ever and more relavant than ever. I like to think that Anthony and all of us on this terrific site which has garnered enormous interest across the web have helped . Original Trek fans take a bow!!
I want to see sneak peeks of Doomesday!
I want to see sneak peeks of Doomesday!
I want to see sneak peeks of Doomesday!
Whaaaaaa….
Just kidding… well… maybe a jpeg?? Huh??? Please??? One frame of the remastered machine??? The Constellation??? Just one pic??!!
Great work CBS-D… keep it up. You’re reinvigorating the show and making the possibility of new voyages with the old crew more plausible than ever!!! I say re-cast, re-imagine and re-shoot… there’s more Trek to be had.
Ok. Someone out there I am sure can explain something to me. Why? Why? Why use an inconsistent different model of the Enterprise for this episode? I thought we were supposed to be fixing inconsistent FX, not supporting them.
Am I wrong here, my fellow brothers and sisters?
The general consensus is that the Enterprise NCC-1701 has the warp nacelles with the twirly orbs, no needles sticking out of them, and two domed caps on the back.
I can somehow accept that perhaps for some reason Pike’s and April’s Enterprise might of had the crimson needle point nacelles, but even future ST projects such as ST: First Contact, and ST: Enterprise (however you feel about that show or not) supports the twirly orb, and domed caped nacelles prior to Kirk’s original Enterprise.
Also, find a CGI model and lets stick to it. Let’s make it consistent. The shuttle bay dome light looks stupid off, keep it on, or at least blinking on and off. Also, where’s the green and red starboard and port lights?
And make the damn impulse engines light up. COME ON PEOPLE!
BTW, i know im nitpicking. But, I just want some consistency in the remastered FX. Like if the phasers are going to be BLUE, then they should always be BLUE. Not Blue one episode, green the next, red in the next. (I’m talking hand phasers, btw.)
And yeah, matte paintings suck. Let’s get rid of all matte painting planetscapes, and actually make these people look like they really are on an alien world, not just standing on a soundstage. Thats one of the things I enjoyed about ST:ENT … even if it was one of the few things.
OK, and since Star Trek V got pulled in on here and doesnt seem to want to get out …. That movie, just like TMP, was plagued with problems. The remastered TMP was a far better improvement, and actually I enjoy watching it now. If they can do the same with TFF, and actually restore the original rockman ending, and make other tweaks (especially the deck number issue among many others) i actually might enjoy that damn movie! LOL.
Ok. thats all for now. I enjoy to hear from you guys!
# 73, I’m with you. That makes two of us.
# 41, They did all that work and then left the tombstone just to piss us off. But I guess it’s possible Gary Mitchell didn’t know Kirk’s middle name. lol.
I have no problem with the “R.” One of the recent novels, “My Brother’s Keeper,” explained this by having Mitchel give Kirk a nickname for a new middle initial, and that when he made the tombstone, he was still tweaking Kirk with it. Mitchell was always ragging on Kirk, with friends like that, who needs enemas?
Kirk’s Love Child…
There is only one Star Trek. It is called “Star Trek”.
All those others are mere imitations “inspired” by the One and Only Trek.
Whatever Star Trek did, Star Trek is.
My God, I’m starting to think like Hitch1969(c)
It reminds me of either the Bad Lands or the “cloudy” edge of the Delphic Expanse. I guess it’s supposed to be like those?
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I really appreciate how they enhanced the painting. The reflection in the glass is particularly nice and the color tweaking is very elaborate. I love how it looks like there’s a porch light turned on in the now-seamless doorway, the glow on the horizon and how it silhouettes the structures more, and the added detail in the foreground rocks. I’ll be surprised if the clouds move but that would be cool.
#73- I know I’ve said this somewhere before. It is because of the difference in models used for the two pilots from the one used in all other episodes. Because the shots in both pilots were all of the same ship (rather than the reused shots seen throughout the series where the different models were seen in the same episode) it is assumed that the Enterprise is supposed to look like this. It can also be assumed that the Enterprise underwhent a minor refit somewhere between WNMHGB and the rest of the series (the sets are also different). It is also obvious that some time passed between the 2nd pilot and rest of the series b/c of the difference in uniforms and personnel.
I realize that this seems to conflict w/ the design style seen in ST:FC and Enterprise. There is however no reason Starfleet couldn’t try different engine designs. Take a look at how much closer the Enterprise E nacelle pylons look much more like the pylons on the Enterprise refit and the Enterprise-A.
On the phaser colors- I think it’s really just because they don’t have the original film. Therefore they have actually rework the beams that are there. Personally, as long as they fix ‘em to look more like energy beams and less like they were drawn on w/ a sharpy, I’m happy.
I do hope they add some cloud motion to the Delta Vega matte. There’s absolutely no reason why they can’t. It’s a locked down image, no rotoscoping required.
As for the barrier, we’ll see. I’m hoping it looks more destructive in action.
It must be torture for CBS Digital to read this stuff, not only because of the harping, but because of the diametrically opposed viewpoints being given–there can’t be a much better argument against “listening to the fans” when clearly opinions are all over the map about this stuff.
Like anyone else I haven’t been able to take a close look at the WNOHGB shots but I assume we’re talking about a completely different CG model of the Enterprise for this, possibly modified off of one of the originals but which is now more or less its own thing–so maybe this doesn’t have the same possibilities for texture, specularity, etc., that the I’mproved” model has. I’m not sold on the barrier yet–Trek has done so many spacial anamolies it must be hard to come up with something incredibly different at this point, and obviously they do want to retain some of the color qualities of the original (I actually like the work in “Is There In Truth No Beauty” where there’s an almost icy, glimmering quality to the barrier). In any case, I do appreciate retaining the original pilot design (which changes slightly even from pilot to pilot, adding legitimacy to the argument that this is an evolving technology).
I’m also glad the Delta Vega painting wasn’t changed radically–this was one of the coolest images from the original show and we’re talking about Albert Whitlock matte paintings here, people! The man was a god…you have to retain some of the iconic look, you can’t just wipe out everything and make it look like TNG. The reason the “Devil in the Dark” mining colony painting is more satisfyingly “improved” is because the original was one of the series WORST paintings! This and the Rigel painting from “The Cage” are arguably the two best, so I would certainly not want to eradicate either of them.
As usual, the matte painting is damn good, I don’t care for the cloud effect of the barrier, not as good as the Star Trek II Nebula. I hope it’s fixed.
Fixed?… It’s DONE!
Yeah, no going back now…unless they — in their mercy and overflowing budget — decide to go back pre-DVD and make some more changes. Otherwise, I would say it’s a done deal.
Albert Whitlock was a legend. No doubt about it. And I love his work…always have. But I guess the issue with these paintings for me is that either we go realistic or we should keep it the same…I don’t like half measures.
And as excellent as Albert’s work is…it’s still A PAINTING. There is no disguising that.
TTM
# 86
I 100% agreed with you there.
I can somehow accept that perhaps for some reason Pike’s and April’s Enterprise might of had the crimson needle point nacelles, but even future ST projects such as ST: First Contact, and ST: Enterprise (however you feel about that show or not) supports the twirly orb, and domed caped nacelles prior to Kirk’s original Enterprise.
Not to mention the “Aztec” pattern hull plating/appearance. At least a technical rationale was provided in a (non-canon) reference book (Mr. Scott’s Guide to the Enterprise).
Hey. Maybe the crimson needle point nacelles were the Pike-era version of “The Great Experiment”? But failed? Or, that the equivalent of a service life extension project (SLEP) that the USN runs our flat-tops through was performed — hence the change in the bridge dome, too?
Re: the matte paintings…
I presume that we won’t have to chuckle a little when Requiem for Methuselah (reuse of the Rigel fortress), Gamesters of Triskelion (reuse of the Janus 6 underground) or the reuse of the Delta Vega cracking station matte as an “asylum” after WNMHGB.
I would hope all those would get complete makeovers…
# 90 Here’s hoping …
I Know this picture is considered iconic but they could of just made an exact 3D replica in the and treated it to the same respect they have with the other matt work. It is out of sorts with the rest of their work. Looking at the Star Trek official site comparison they mention that they have left the image as it was for the day time. This tweak is just to represent the passing of time apparently so it’s at a different time of day.
I am wondering, too, about what they’ll do when the episodes come up that re-use earlier elements such as footage and matte paintings. Will they come up with something different, or re-use their same remastered version from before?
Besides the examples given of matte re-uses, the fact that the galaxy barrier breach was re-used in “Is There In Truth No Beauty?” and “By Any Other Name.” Wonder if they’ll just re-use the new WNM footage? Maybe they’ll use alternate takes and angles…
I am hoping that where the mattes were re-used, that they will don something totally different. That always bugged the heck out of me when they did that, as if there were exact locations on different planets.
More along those lines: we have hope that they will do something new, since “Wink” re-used the Emeniar 7 matte, but for the remastered they made it different. This bodes well.
#91 Exactly!!!
Why is it you and I and a few of us can understand that concept here but others can’t? LOL!!!! There is no need to re-design the station…just build it as a cgi environment.
That’s pretty much all I wanted them to do with DVega.
They CANT re-use WNMGB footage or they’ll make one of the same mistakes that they are trying to correct. IE;having the “second pilot” and “production” versions being shown in the same episode.
CASE IN POINT…
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/ENTERPRISE-BUDGETconstraints.jpg
#92 With regard to Is There In Truth…that effect should get a COMPLETE makeover. Remember, the ship in that footage is not the third season Enterprise…
It will be interesting to see what they come up with as a replacement for those shots.
“Doomsday” is coming.
Sneak preview image here:
http://theflava10.tripod.com/Doomsday.jpg
Slighty different from what we might have expected… no?
Ha Ha Diabolik… ha ha….. :)
What do ya know, I finally got the last word! Actually, I wanted to make this an even 100 posts.