Comments on: Spiner On Nemesis Failure: The fans were done with us http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/ the source for Star Trek news and information Fri, 25 May 2012 10:58:10 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Mike Reed http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/comment-page-3/#comment-129802 Mike Reed Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:47:17 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/#comment-129802 I thought Nemesis was fantastic. Dark, intriguing drama and a fantastic villain. Great new ships and a great story. (albeit a bit Picard-heavy) Nemesis hardly deserves all the harsh things said about it. Insurrection and Trek 5 were the ones I found to be crappy. I really thought Nemesis came back strong, but it seems, as always, Im in the minority. Oh well, the masses are asses amywayz. Mike Reed I thought Nemesis was fantastic. Dark, intriguing drama and a fantastic villain. Great new ships and a great story. (albeit a bit Picard-heavy) Nemesis hardly deserves all the harsh things said about it. Insurrection and Trek 5 were the ones I found to be crappy. I really thought Nemesis came back strong, but it seems, as always, Im in the minority. Oh well, the masses are asses amywayz.
Mike Reed

]]> By: Cygnus-X1 http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/comment-page-3/#comment-23481 Cygnus-X1 Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:04:00 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/#comment-23481 "At the very least, Shinzon should have looked at the metal spike running through his body and lauged (as young Picard had when run through by a Naussican’s knife)" That would've been a great idea...too great, for that shitty movie, in fact. “At the very least, Shinzon should have looked at the metal spike running through his body and lauged (as young Picard had when run through by a Naussican’s knife)”

That would’ve been a great idea…too great, for that shitty movie, in fact.

]]> By: Michael http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/comment-page-3/#comment-23124 Michael Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:21:40 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/#comment-23124 The main problem with Nemesis was Picard's clone. They should have simply cast Patrick Stewart in a dual role and made minor modifications to the storyline to accomodate it. The man is certainly talented enough to have pulled it off! At the very least, Shinzon should have looked at the metal spike running through his body and lauged (as young Picard had when run through by a Naussican's knife). At least then there would have been some connection between Picard and Shinzon. The main problem with Nemesis was Picard’s clone. They should have simply cast Patrick Stewart in a dual role and made minor modifications to the storyline to accomodate it. The man is certainly talented enough to have pulled it off!

At the very least, Shinzon should have looked at the metal spike running through his body and lauged (as young Picard had when run through by a Naussican’s knife). At least then there would have been some connection between Picard and Shinzon.

]]> By: John http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/comment-page-3/#comment-21965 John Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:52:06 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/#comment-21965 Nemesis was a poor remake of The Wrath of Khan. Why in God's name didn't they bring Q into the films!! Spiners comments reveal how burned out he was at making more films, but to say the franchise was over was wrong. Even at the Premier of Nemesis he couldn't believe they were making another film. If they had better writers and a more positive attitude the last two films could of been better and Star Trek wouldn't have faultered out. Nemesis was a poor remake of The Wrath of Khan. Why in God’s name didn’t they bring Q into the films!! Spiners comments reveal how burned out he was at making more films, but to say the franchise was over was wrong. Even at the Premier of Nemesis he couldn’t believe they were making another film. If they had better writers and a more positive attitude the last two films could of been better and Star Trek wouldn’t have faultered out.

]]> By: Paul http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/comment-page-2/#comment-21722 Paul Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:46:30 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/#comment-21722 Nemesis was the first and only Star Trek movie ever that made me fall asleep during first watching. Actually, it was first and only science fiction movie ever that made me fall asleep during first watching. Not even Men in Black II managed to anaesthetize me, and God knows they tried hard. I guess it says something about Nemesis. :-) Nemesis was the first and only Star Trek movie ever that made me fall asleep during first watching.

Actually, it was first and only science fiction movie ever that made me fall asleep during first watching. Not even Men in Black II managed to anaesthetize me, and God knows they tried hard.

I guess it says something about Nemesis. :-)

]]> By: Elrond http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/comment-page-2/#comment-21651 Elrond Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:12:53 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/#comment-21651 Right on, Dennis! Wouldn't that have been amazing . . . I have to confess that I'd this futile hope that Spock would appear at the end as a huge surprise . . . sadly, no such luck. Yeah, a FUN movie, what a concept! This latest rant by Spiner is sickening. I am so tired of the TNG actors and producers tellling us how WE let THEM down. Nemesis had a lame story, pure and simple. True, it has some great moments, but overall it's dark & depressing. They had a golden opportunity to finally do a cool Romulan movie, and instead they made a bizarre left turn into Shinzon and the boring Remans. Instead of great character moments, it was another Picard & Data action-fest, and the rest of the crew as comedy relief (especally Worf, my favorite Klingon -- what a joke). Where was the ensemble that I loved for so many years? And Data is killed for no real reason, other than Spiner wanted him dead. The B-4 character was the worst retread of all ... I tried to watch the movie recently, and I can't stand any scene with him. How I kept wishing in the theater they would reveal that B-4 was killed and not Data. For the life of me, I can't understand why they never did a Q movie. THAT would have been fun. Right on, Dennis! Wouldn’t that have been amazing . . . I have to confess that I’d this futile hope that Spock would appear at the end as a huge surprise . . . sadly, no such luck. Yeah, a FUN movie, what a concept!

This latest rant by Spiner is sickening. I am so tired of the TNG actors and producers tellling us how WE let THEM down. Nemesis had a lame story, pure and simple. True, it has some great moments, but overall it’s dark & depressing. They had a golden opportunity to finally do a cool Romulan movie, and instead they made a bizarre left turn into Shinzon and the boring Remans. Instead of great character moments, it was another Picard & Data action-fest, and the rest of the crew as comedy relief (especally Worf, my favorite Klingon — what a joke). Where was the ensemble that I loved for so many years?

And Data is killed for no real reason, other than Spiner wanted him dead. The B-4 character was the worst retread of all … I tried to watch the movie recently, and I can’t stand any scene with him. How I kept wishing in the theater they would reveal that B-4 was killed and not Data.

For the life of me, I can’t understand why they never did a Q movie. THAT would have been fun.

]]> By: Demode http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/comment-page-2/#comment-21607 Demode Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:12:10 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/#comment-21607 Spock on the ship would have been very cool and unexpected! Spock on the ship would have been very cool and unexpected!

]]> By: Dennis http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/comment-page-2/#comment-21600 Dennis Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:32:46 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/#comment-21600 Simply put, it should have been Spock on that Romulan ship at the end offering to help. Spock should have saved the day and made everyone stand and cheer. That's what the movie was missing. Something unexpected and wonderful and FUN. Simply put, it should have been Spock on that Romulan ship at the end offering to help. Spock should have saved the day and made everyone stand and cheer. That’s what the movie was missing. Something unexpected and wonderful and FUN.

]]> By: Cygnus-X1 http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/comment-page-2/#comment-21598 Cygnus-X1 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:19:15 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/#comment-21598 An outstanding Trek film would lure a general audience, at the very lease, to DVD rentals, and plausibly to the theater. And, the Trek fan audience may still be insufficient, on its own, to support a film, but, keep in mind that, for a good Trek film, most of us will see it twice for sure, and some will see it even more times. An outstanding Trek film would lure a general audience, at the very lease, to DVD rentals, and plausibly to the theater.

And, the Trek fan audience may still be insufficient, on its own, to support a film, but, keep in mind that, for a good Trek film, most of us will see it twice for sure, and some will see it even more times.

]]> By: Bill Goldberg http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/comment-page-2/#comment-21276 Bill Goldberg Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:45:40 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/01/19/spiner-on-nemesis-failure-the-fans-were-done-with-us/#comment-21276 I agree that a better movie wouldve done better, at the very least among movie buffs who sit glued to critic sites. However, I dont know what makes yall think that there are enough fans to make a movie successful from the beginning. Star Trek is no longer an acceptable movie choice for the common American, movie buffs were seeing other things like lotr, and all that was left were trekkies(maybe a few stayed home because of bad reviews or bad advertising like me, but i think most went or else things wouldve been much worse than nly making half of production value.) I agree that a better movie wouldve done better, at the very least among movie buffs who sit glued to critic sites. However, I dont know what makes yall think that there are enough fans to make a movie successful from the beginning. Star Trek is no longer an acceptable movie choice for the common American, movie buffs were seeing other things like lotr, and all that was left were trekkies(maybe a few stayed home because of bad reviews or bad advertising like me, but i think most went or else things wouldve been much worse than nly making half of production value.)

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