New Images From “Journey To Babel” Remastered [UPDATED w/ More Images] January 31, 2007
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: TOS-R Preview , trackbackCBS have released some images for this weekend’s "Journey To Babel". Get a closer look at the shuttlebay (and Gailileo and Columbus) as well as that Orion Ship.
UPDATE: CBS have sent over some larger versions of the images put up earlier…plus an exclusive image for TrekMovie.com of the Galileo with Planet Vulcan in the background
ANOTHER UPDATE: AICN has got their own exclusive image of the Orion Ship…check it out.
NOTE: it is unlikely that this close-up will be seen in the episode
That Orion ship is an entirely new design by Mike Okuda, replacing the original which was just a spinning light.
Images courtesy of CBS
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I love how they were so quick to come up with a new ship design but left he Gorn and Klingon ships so vague and barely visible.
somebody please do the research for me. Is this the second orion ship ever seen? The first being on Enterprise’s episode “Borderland.”
Oh My GOD!!!
Nice. And it looks like a shuttle landing is a big event on the Enterprise. Every window overlooking the flight deck is filled with observers.
Those look great!
…one thing, is it me or are there a ton of people on shuttlebay observation deck?
well Sean, the Gorn and Klingon ships were not supposed to be visible, whereas in the original JTB the Orion ship was essentially ‘buzzing’ the Enterprise. They are not chaning the composition of the shots dramatically, just the ships…and in each case giving you an improvement over low budget glowing lights.
…somebody please do the research for me. Is this the second orion ship ever seen? The first being on Enterprise’s episode “Borderland.”…
Animated Trek’s “The Pirates of Orion” also chimed in.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Orion_pirate_ship.jpg
Awesome! The landing looks fantastic!
That is stunningly good work. I would like to see the pics they used for the crew overlooking the bay. I bet there are alot of easter eggs hidden in there.
Nice work, but they could have composited real people inside those windows…and I am not wild about that image map (the red box with the yellow circle) as it looks like it’s been enlarged in the 3D software to fit an area larger than what the map was intended to fit. It looks blurry. And having done cgi work myself, I only tend to see blurry image maps like that if they are enlarged to fit.
Most of it looks great…and I am admittedly nitpicking.
Re: #3….Clinton, you may recall that in this particular episode, the E is filled with visiting dignitaries from various planets, as the E is acting as some sort of “space taxi” shuttling them all to the Babel conference.
What you see in the windows overlooking the shuttlebay are likely those whom have already been brought on board. For them, a shuttle landing, and perhaps seeing who happens to be on this particular shuttle, is something of an “event.”
For E crew members, shuttle landings may perhaps be a somewhat rare occurrence (who knows), but the Babel conference makes this all that more unusual for everyone on board….IMHO.
It is cool that they decided to add such a scene to Sarek and Amanda’s arrival. The effects look pretty good and will probably look a lot better when the episode is broadcast.
That animated series clip was clean and crisp. Are the DVDs priced into the stratosphere?
Yeah, maybe continuity should take precedent. But I still say the best episode of TOS-R was “In a Mirror Darkly Part II” :)
Little joke of mine.
..is it me. or does that shuttle in the second screen shot look super huge? The deck around it looks great but the shuttle itself looks way too large and not in proportion with the rest of the deck…in comparrison with what I’m used to anyway. Aside from the scale, the rendering looks great.
I don’t want to start a bashing thread based on a single low-res still from an episode that hasn’t aired — but I’m less than enthused about the turntable shot. Referring to the original shot:
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=62&pos=11
the remastered view has a more cramped feel to it — where’s that “vaulted” ceiling I know and love?? Anyway, it’s still early. I’ll hope for the best in the actual episode.
The first shot is looking from the floor and up, so you can see the ceiling. The second shot is looking from the ceiling and down. That’s probably what’s making it looked “cramped”.
Um, isn’t there also a fourth picture from StarTrek.com, showing the Enterprise orbiting Vulcan?
Shuttle shots look great.
If I have find fault, in the second picture it looks like there is an open gallery leading off the shuttle bay. It’s in the middle on the left side of the picture. This has to be a wall but it looks like an open space to me.
Re: #10…Paul, I like your take on this. I also think it gives a much more kinetic look to the scene. The original shot (referenced above) is great, but I think the addition of people adds life to the scene (no pun intended).
Yes, they altered the roof structure slightly and along the rear too by the doors.
It’s a pretty cool effort to include all the Ambassadors and crew members at the windows.
What strikes me here and the FTWIHAIHTTS shots is the lack of liveliness. On the spec shot of the ship leaving Yonada, the lack of color was their choice. But I also wonder what the limits of the software is used. In the real world efforts I have in creating computer generated images of product designs I do, I can add material reflective properties. The shots we’ve seen lack a bit of that, I see them there. But there is a flatness still, a dullness, a greyness! On the hull of the original model, we see the running lights reflect on the hull. Here in the shuttle bay, it seems it could use a little more reflective materials and add some life to the shot.
But I’ll wait to see this in motion. It looks pretty exciting to see these new interpretations. I just wonder if it’s a software issue, it’s limitations or the nature of CGI. Revenge of the Sith has a similar look.
“Nice work, but they could have composited real people inside those windows”
according to startrek.com, there *are* real people in the windows - people working on the remastering and CG were used - I assume just as they were for the starbase in The Menagerie.
I like it, its cool and I cant wait to see it.
Keep up the good work !!!!
The deck DOES look a lot smaller in the second picture, (the turntable shot) compared to the original shot. I wonder why they did that? The shuttle looks too big or the deck too small and cramped.
I hope that the people in the observation deck windows look more real, they resemble cutouts in these shots.
Looking forward to seeing it, though.
#9: “Nice work, but they could have composited real people inside those windows”
From the gallery notes at startrek.com:
“The gathered ambassadors and Enterprise officers,
glimpsed in the windows of the upper observation galleries,
are cameo appearances by most of the visual effects artists
and technicians who are working on the remastered visual effects.
(Most of them appear more than once in different windows!) …”
#4 - Kevin
#8 - Justin RC
#9 - THEETrekMaster
From StarTrek.com:
“The gathered ambassadors and Enterprise officers, glimpsed in the windows of the upper observation galleries, are cameo appearances by most of the visual effects artists and technicians who are working on the remastered visual effects. (Most of them appear more than once in different windows!)”
By cutouts I meant still shots projected onto frosted glass.
#18 - billy
You beat me to it… ;)
lol… so did 102.437
we were a hive mind collective :-)
Are those shuttlebay shots concept paintings or actually scenes? It looks far too cartoony for me.
Regarding the several comment that the second shot looks cramped…
This HAS to be an opitcal illusion, doesn’t it? I mean, they wouldn’t model multiple hangar bays… would they?
ooops, wrong franchise branch!
Seriously, people find enough debatably legitimate stuff about the show to complain about. I hate to see people disparaged for not doing work that they’ve actually done.
this is the second time they have done the people in the windows thing, there were a number of cbs-d people in the windows of the buildings in the opening matte shot from The Menagerie. The guys at CBS-D also told me they hope to show people through the windows in some exterior shots of the Enterprise.
The observation deck reminds me of those U-Haul storage places with the Kirk and Spock lifesize cutouts in the windows! Just kidding. This is a nice touch.
The nacelles on the shuttle have that washed out gray ghost look that Enterprise did in FTWIHAIHTTS but otherwise looks good.
I am not thrilled with the Orion ship but I’ll live. I envisioned something more compact. From this shot, it looks like it has a ring like the Vulcan ships in that other show… what was it called…not Star Trek… but… Enterprise, I think it was called. Not that Enterprise had anything to do with Star Trek, the ship just reminded me of that is all. >;.>}
Can’t wait to see this episode!
K, I’m going to reveal that though a life long Star Trek fan, I don’t know everything… Could someone tell me if the Shuttles are supposed to be Warp capable? I think, I had always infered a low Warp capacity, by just the presence of the nacelle pods, but just what is the “official” capacity? Sublight only?
And wasn’t the original ShuttleBay miniature “forced perspective”? I don’t recall for sure, but I thought it was.
The screencaps look better than before… nice to see that Mr.Scott keeps the Shuttle Bay nice and pristeen… no space lube stains on the bay’s floor! ;-)
Regarding the apparently small size of the shuttle bay: The original miniature was not built to correct scale with the ship model and was, in fact, far larger than would actually fit within the ship’s hull. I’ve been curious to see what the CBS-D people would do about that, whether they would stick to the apparent size of the miniature or scale it down to match the ship. Evidently they chose to scale it down.
Also, I don’t think there’s any discrepancy between the first and second shots posted above. We’re looking at the shuttle nose-on in the first shot and more from the side in the second shot. Given that the shuttle is not nearly as wide as it is long, it makes it seem smaller in the first shot but it’s only an optical illusion.
Oh and by the way, the open bay on the left side of the second shot is interesting. Even with the entire hangar deck scaled down, there shouldn’t be room for a bay that deep between the hanger and the outer hull.
One thing that always bugged me BAD was the size difference between the outside of the life-sized shuttle prop built for the show, and the inside of it built on the soundstage. It was not nearly big enough outside for a grown man to stand up in from the outside, but inside it was! And nobody say it’s a TARDIS effect! :)
Hi,
In reading these and other posts, I’m sensing that some of those posting comments would prefer a more “photorealistic” look, and others seem content with the “it’s a matte painting from the 1960s, if only they had the time and the budget” look. For example, a matte painting wouldn’t interact with composited elements (e.g., reflections on the floor).
Has CBS-D said anything definitive about which look they are after? (Sorry if I’ve missed the info somewhere.) In my opinion, TBTB are doing a pretty decent job of splitting the difference; it seems like there’s a lot of hair-splitting going on with the comments. (But that’s all part of the fun!)
Thanks!
#34:
That’s a bay? I thought it was an exit from the room, probably connecting to another room further within the ship.
#37:
Not in that direction. It would open straight out the side of the secondary hull.
Those pics are nothing short of brilliant. I love the design work for the shuttlebay. I cannot wait to see this sucker in motion!
The bay was a model in the original, not a matte painting.
#12 jonboc and others…
Here is a link to the original shuttle bay shot:
http://www.geocities.com/area51/3253/tos/14/galileo7_shuttle_bay_14_216.jpg
I agree that the new one looks a good deal smaller. That’s a bit of a shame to me. It’s a really nice shot, but I wish this had been one of those instances where CBS-D had tried to match the original (in scale, if not in angle and composition) instead of making it to the correct scale with the Enterprise (if indeed that was the case. I’m not convinced it is). That original shuttle bay looks super cool and able to accommodate a ship larger than a shuttlecraft — like a small scout ship or something, — if the need ever arose. This new shuttle bay looks like you could barely get your Hummer next to your Explorer! Then again, it may be a wide-angle lens versus a regular lens illusion.
That said, it’s a pretty shot. I do like the Orion ship as well. It’s still moving so fast, it’s hard to make out quite what it looks like. That’s something I had always liked about the simplicity of the original. It gave it an air of mystery that covered for the fact that they used an expedient and presumably cheap way of making a fast alien ship.
I may actually get up at 2:30 a.m. Sunday morning to see this one!
Scott B. out.
The people in the bay windows look fine. The people in the shuttle look like Weebles all pressed up against the glass. I’m not saying that’s the wrong choice. An actual view would likely show you only the tops of people’s heads. So, this is done for the sake of giving the proper impression.
I still would pay about $20 to be one of the people in one of the windows. Anybody at CBS-D wanna make a quick twenty??? (And please, whoever is forking out five grand for Rand’s 40-year old underwear, please don’t jack up the price.)
#38:
Then, perhaps it’s an alcove, somewhere to stand in the room, without having to worry about getting hit by one of the shuttles (after the room has been pressurized, of course). It could also be there for a place to put cargo.
The space is just too small for a shuttle to fit, so it can’t be a shuttle bay.
Re #36:
You bring up a very good point. At some point, the CBS team would have discussed the aesthetic level to which the CGI would be rendered to, photorealistc or somewhere else. That would be a good one for Anthony to ask the CBS team.
i dunno if it was said above me, but the people in the windows look like cardboard cut-outs
#38:
I was using the word “bay” in a generic sense; “alcove” is probably a more appropriate term. I still think it’s too deep, though.
#46:
Perhaps there’s a stairs back there, leading from the hangar floor to the observation deck (where all those people behind the windows are).
It’s Kirk’s after Xmas party hideaway make-out spot.
#48. CmdrR.
Very funny :) Given Kirk’s legendary status… it gives a “hole” new meaning to “glory.”
Lordy. If you compare the 2nd shot of the shuttle on the turntable vs. the original, the space on either side of the shuttle looks to add up to approximately one additional shuttle length. Since the shuttle is supposedly about 24′, that would put the hangar approximately 50′ wide at that point (excluding the side passages), which is entirely consistent with what we know about the “real” size of the Enterprise. The reason the deck looks so much more expansive in the original is that the camera angle doesn’t include the cathedral ceiling, and is positioned closer to the much narrower end of the bay near the doors, not because CBS-D got anything wrong. And this way we get a better look at the crowds observing the landing, which I suspect was the point of changing the angle to begin with.
Sheez. Bottom line is, it’s a beautiful shot. Some of you folks are way over-thinking this stuff.
#50 re: Bottom Line– AGREED!
#50:
Actually, that would make the bay about 75′ wide (in the original shot), which is far too large to fit within the secondary hull. This was a known issue even when the original footage was shot but the miniature was deliberately built oversized to give it a more cavernous feel on-screen. I can’t swear that the new version of the shuttle bay actually fits within the properly scaled ship’s hull just by looking at it in these images, but it is CLEARLY smaller and looks to be a lot closer to the correct size to my eye.
Regardless, it was not my intention to criticize the folks at CBS-D for any inaccuracies. On the contrary, I think this is the best version of the shuttle bay I’ve seen, and the too-deep alcove on the left side was just a minor point of interest.
My point is the shuttle bay occupies the whole width of the hull. The opening I’m seeing is on the middle of the left side of the second picture under the gantry. What it should be is an alcove that continues the curve of the wall above the gantry. Instead it looks like an opening leading to another part of the ship. That’s not possible.
Is it just me? It looks like and opening to me.
The shuttlebay can’t occupy the whole width of the hull, because there’s a whole corridor outside. It’s another instance where the sets as shown on screen couldn’t really fit into the ship. Which is why it’ll make you crazy if you try too hard to force it to “make sense.”
These shots are Superior to the original which are very obviously tiny models that look completely phony. These new ones look far more realistic and everall are a huge improvement.
Don’t know how anyone could think otherwise.
“I don’t know, Jim. It’s a big ship. I’m just a country doctor.”
31-
“The nacelles on the shuttle have that washed out gray ghost look…”
they always did…
In “Spock Must Die,” James Blish suggests shuttles don’t have warp drive, until dup-Spock jerry rigs something. (This doesn’t make sense in light of episodes like “Metamorphisis” or even “Galileo 7″ where the shuttle would have to do quite a trek of its own.) So, chalk it up to another continuity gaff in a series full of em. Doesn’t diminish the love, though.
see…
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=42&pos=25
as for monstrosly big alcoves…
see…
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=42&pos=20
it’s always been big. If you want to justify it, maybe it’s a side entry way for cargo loading. The inner hatch is open. I dunno.
Um, the “alcoves” are there in the original too, on both sides. I don’t see how this is an added mistake by the digital guys. The only mistake might be in the original in regards to the alcoves leading into what some say should be the exterior wall. Anyone got an original exterior pic to back that up?
Maybe, they are just different types with the same look. In Menagarie the shuttle was chasing the Enterprise maybe rather than having more room in the rear it has a small/limited warp drive. Theres been several times when ships that look the same on the outside are different internally. The two different sized birds of prey, Enterprise refit/A, and the Runabouts in DS9 were supposed to be interchangable. So maybe just a different configuration, an executive shuttle…. not much but something.
Not to be the voice of dissention among dissenters but, this site is really starting to utterly disgust me. What’s flat and two dimensional is the predictable non-stop petty, ad hock , post after post, forum topic after forum topic BITCHING about THE most insignificant , unimportant non-relevant, anal retentive minute detail imaginable.
I mean REALLY. It is TOO much. You people are not FUN at all. Talk about not being able to be pleased.
There’s love for a thing, and then theres obsession over a thing.
Does this shit NOT get old forum after forum for some of you??
Or perhaps is it possible the only thing some of you have to talk about IS what is percieved to be wrong??
#60:
I for one was not displeased or picking nits about the shuttle bay at all. I was just noting with interest that CBS-D has apparently chosen to go with a smaller (and more accurate!) sized bay than what was shown in the original. I have yet to see anyone “bitching” about it, as you say–well, until post #61, that is.
CBS have sent over some better images…so if you click on the above photos they get even bigger….also added a shot of ent leaving orbit of vulcan
“Correcting” the scale of the hangar deck makes continuous camera moves between the interior and exterior of the ship possible. The new hangar deck can actually exist inside the ship model, which would not be the case if they made the CG hangar the same proportions as the old miniature. The doors can open up and the camera can fly through them. That’s pretty cool.
Hehe, looks awesome :D
I tend to agree with #60. There’s constructive criticism, there’s just plain criticism, and then there’s actively looking for any reason at all to complain. Its like bringing home a report card every week with five A’s and one B+, and all your Dad talks about is why you got a B+.
62- Thanks Anthony for the upgrade. This kind of thing really builds interest, especially considering we\’ve all seen this episode 49587209875239485723 times. I find the nitpickering to be done with loving care, never nastiness. If you don\’t like snittery little arguments, all I can say is don\’t marry a Chinese wife. (She\’s a cutie, though, and I love her to pieces.)
i have yet another update above…CBS sent over an exclusive shot of the hangar bay…this one with the planet vulcan in the background…thanks CBS!
Well I think it all looks better than the original. But #60 “Josh T. (Tired of it) Kirk Esquire” has a point. View the episode first, then trash CBS-D ;)
Seriously, trashing this new work based on tiny compressed image is unfair to CBS-D.
I just noticed, it seems someone is finally depicting planets correctly -
whereas every other science fiction iteration illustrates a planet as spherical, especially orbital shots, in reality a planet is wider at the equatorial regions creating an oblongated distorted appearance, judging from the Enterprise in orbit shot above, it seems someone at CBS happened upon this little factoid.
Well done guys.
68….
tiny compressed images?
did you try clicking on them? They are now higher res than you will see on TV…so actually the images here are exactly what you should base their work on…until the HD version is availble.
Cool, thanks to CBS-D and the Trekmovie webmasters for the added new screen shot with the view of Vulcan out the shuttlebay!
It’s great that this website and CBS has such a great relationship!
Awesome, thanks Anthony! Thanks CBS-D! That one of the Enterprise with vulcan is now set as my desktop image. I really liked the rear shot of the Ent around vulcan from the promo and this one looks good too!
Can’t wait!
OOOOOOOOOH.
Most Impressive.
Wow. That’s a better version of Vulcan than the one seen in the feature films or any of the successor series. Just wow.
I’m the first to whine when I don’t think they’ve gotten it right. I don’t enjoy it, but like many here for some reason I have a proprietary attutude towards this dumb little space opera, and always will. But as with shows like “The Corbomite Maneuver” and “The Menagerie,” it looks like CBS-D has knocked this one out of the park. Well done.
Those are really great shots…They keep getting better and better. Now it comes down to how it moves on screen.
I agree the shuttlecraft landing seems to be a better viewpoint. I would be Interested how they handle similar shots in “The Galileo Seven”.
I was not expecting much this week. I like being surprised once in awhile. I’m happy they stuck with the a different Orion ship than whats been seen on ENT or the animated series.
OK seriously, I want to know how to get to be one of the extras in these scene, CBS Digital REALLY REALLY needs to make a contest right here to let US forever be a part of the supernumeraries in some of the episodes! Please, please let us be in the background somewhere!
#75
It appears they used the Vulcan of Trek III and IV as the model for this iteration, me likey.
They’re doing a excellent job! Sure they might make a mistake here and there but given the lack of time plus the fact that its their first shot at refinement of older shot - anyone would have do give them their deserved credit. I would only guess that even if they make some mistakes (who wouldn’t?) somehow that they would (I hope) go back and make corrections. CBS team ROCKS!
Trek remastered is just what TOS fans wanted before TMP in 1979.More of the sameTOS vision and visuals.May I make a suggestion to those in the position to make such decisions who may be reading this?…Do an EXPANDED VISION episode of the original series.What I mean by that is…Take an original episode and film more footage and also add more of this state of the art effects to make, say ,an hour and a half episode(or more)out of an existing TOS episode.Judging from the interest in this blog there seems to be a market for it.It would also be a great way to prime audience interest for your Trek xi feature.
Even though I have not always been a fan of the quality of what they are doing, I understand that time is a huge issue. We can only hope that the DVDs will be tweaked and perfected.
I am sure they have a secondary team that is reworking older shows for DVD release.
80 -
Excellent idea. But, maybe it should be a DVD bonus. And not 90 Minutes from a 48 (or whatever) minute original. Five minutes would be plenty. A space battle or two. No need to change the plot, just show what they couldn’t afford to show before.
In my opinion, the original shuttlecraft effects, especially the shuttlecraft being launched and retreived, were some of the most fake looking of all the original series effects. TOS was full of great special effects, but the shuttlecraft shots always looked “cheesy” and definately dated…
I think any changes CBS Digitial made would have been an improvement, and I think they’ve done a pretty good job.
Mike :o
Must give thanks to CBS for sending along that awesome exclusive image. And congrats to TrekMovie for getting the honors. Here’s hoping for more of the same as the project rolls along! :-)
82-I’m talking about more than 5 mins.For example…If they could incorperate a sub plot involving another TOS starship that was relevant to the plot in that it foreshadowed another plot device in an original TOS episode.That’s an example of what I mean by an “expanded vision” episode
You want a few scenes on the Antares leading up to Charlie X’s arrival on the E? Could be cool, knowing they’ll all be blown to snot later on.
#86 You got the picture.the possibilities are endless.
Very quickly…
Ain’t it Cool News has run a few articles about Trek Remastered as well, but they put up a larger feature for this episode. Looks like they got their own exclusive shot from CBS Digital as well. Here’s the link:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31410
I’ll be back later to look over everyone’s posts.
This looks amazing and is much more artistic than the early work. done by CBS Digital. I love the shot of Vulcan out of the shuttle bay doors.
Adding a real Orion ship is also a great move. I can’t wait to see the whole episode!
I am quite impressed with these images of the shuttlebay. There is a reflection of the plantet on the deck floor, the turntable is actually a bit lower than the rest of the deck, the people at the windows and on the shuttle. CBS-D has done a superb job with these scenes. Can hardly wait to watch this episode on Saturday.
As to adding scenes, it would be nice to have some things added just because they can be digitally created now but does go beyond the scope of the current project. That may be more along the lines of Star Trek Enhanced, Special Edition, Upgraded or some other fancy name. :-)
I’ve returned, and read all the posts here. My two cents are about to drop into the kiddie…
The hangar bay does indeed looks smaller in the new shots than in the original. I believe this is for a number of reasons:
1. The original hangar bay model was built in forced perspective (it was more narrow at the tail end and wider where the camera was placed) to make it seem larger.
2. CBS Digital seems to be using a tighter field of view than was used orginally, which pulls objects closer together.
3. In my opinion CBS Digital actually made an effort to get the hangar bay to fit into the body of the Enterprise. In the original scenes, it was fairly obvious that the hangar (as shown) was far too large for its placement at the rear of the secondary hull. Owing to the fact that there are recessed maintenance bays on either side and corridors that lead to the hangar through the wall behind them, I believe CBS Digital made the hangar itself a little smaller so these details could be accomodated.
I hope that’s the case, because I’ve tried to do the same thing with my 3D model of the TOS Enterprise and believe me, the battle between accurate scale and placement within available space is a maddening one! Judging from these photos however, it looks to me like they pulled it off. I can’t wait to see these scenes in motion!
Oooo, new pics, me likey… :-) I actually dug that Orion ship design, kind makes me think of a swamp boat for some reason though.
As for the nitpicky scale issues, I don’t think that anyone is really that uptight about it. Movie and television props were/are constantly in different sizes for different reasons.
That Orion ship was very impressive indeed.
I was playing with photoshop just a bit ago and did one combining the new shuttlebay with the sarek and party ariving. Not perfect but I’m getting tired, usually a good way to get ready for bed. :-) I hope we see something done for the wall in the shuttlebay.
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6757/jtbshopcy6.jpg
#60 - I couldn’t agree more.
#88 - thanks for th link.. those pics at ain’titcool.com are amazing! Much more detail than the ones I have seen here. But I still appreciate the pics here too.
#94 - Nice work Skippy … looked nice.
Bring it on. This looked so great and exciting I sat down and watched it off my DVD again last night. After seeing those old effects, I can’t wait to see this version. I feel like this work is gonna (more so than ever before) blow away what was done back then. It was nice back then, but this is awesome!!!
#94 Skippy, that looks cool. I was just wondering how well the live footage would intercut with the new, grayer CGI shots. Let’s see if CBS-D goes as far as you did in marrying the two!
And if this talkback, represents “bitching,” I say bitch away. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed reading through all 90-some posts and actually learned some Trek lore (had no idea about the scale discrepancies in the original shuttle bay). I still like the more “classical” compostion of the original shots, but it definitely looks like we’re getting some cool, new stuff to ogle this weekend, so who am I to argue!
[…] All images courtesy of The Trek Movie Report, except the last one, that’s an exclusive promo shot probably not in the actual episode, and it’s from Ain’t it Cool News. Thanks guys! […]
As Shatner said on SNL “Get A Life… It’s just… a ….tv show!” LOL
Seriously tho, the new shots look awesome. You gotta remember there are plenty of shots in old tv shows where the exterior doesn’t match or make sense to the interior. Remember “Happy Days” ? They moved the front door after the first couple of seasons… and the front door was virtually next to the back door leading to Fonzie’s apartment. The exterior shots didn’t match at all.
The key word is Science FICTION! CBS Digital keep up the great work!
Rock on CBS-D… There’s another pic on startrek.com that shows a two-shot of the shuttle and the enterprise… the first-ever such composite.
I’m a liking it!!
Too bad that digital work like this can’t fix the obvious space difference between the outside of the shuttle and the inside. That always bugged me.
That Orion ship is AWESOME!!
Shuttle bay, suddenly different??
Deflector dish- still desaturated.
I don’t get it.
I can’t wait for an interview with the CBS-D team so that we all can be enlightened as to why certain artistic decisions were made. (Anthony?)
Love the Orion ship, love the Enterprise in orbit of Vulcan…I like most of the hangar bay. Still annoyed by that hangar bay turntable texture map…it just doesn’t look good.
TTM
Sean4000- The second orion ship ( different class ) being on Star trek- Enterprise’s episode ”Bound”.
I was particularly struck by how the viewing galleries on both sides of the flight deck are crowded with people watching Ambassador Sarek’s arrival. What a terrific treat … and very subtle, too.
The Orion ship also looks amazing … in motion and the still photograph.
Nice going, guys!
Pants = soiled.
They pulled out all the stops for this one! =D
Very nice, but I will say that the shuttle is too large for the hangar deck in the post-landing shot. CBS should return to Jeffries original drawings on this one.
My question is, will we for the first time see an external view into the hangar deck?
A clear picture of the Orion vessel which will not be in the episode:
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Skippy,
That’s some great PhotoShop work marrying the two shots of the hangar bay. It was always my impression, however, that Sarek and Amanda exited the bay from the doorway on the side of the hangar.
We’ve never seen the back wall of the hangar bay in TOS, but since the pylons for the warp engines connect to the secondary hull near there, I always assumed that the matter-antimatter stacks were just fore of the hangar.
But that’s just me. Your image is still fantastic!
Thanks Backaroohawk. You could go either way, exiting from the side or front… but if you look at the picture there really isn’t enough room. The new bay was allready shrunk down a bit to fit into the hull but if you look at the pic, and all the red shirts you couldn’t line them up that distance with the shuttle in the center and the doors on the side. Since we haven’t seen the front as you say they bay could go as far as needed really, given the long shot of the shuttle landing there is plenty of room.
I guess if they cut out some redshirts they could do it with the side door. :-)
The shuttlebay may not fit in “reality” but you gotta admit that it’s pretty damned cool. Can’t wait to see it for real this weekend!