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More Images From “Doomsday Machine” Remastered [UPDATE 3] February 8, 2007

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: TOS-R Preview , trackback

Our cup overfloweth with imagery from this weekend’s Remastered Doomsday. CBS have sent TrekMovie.com a couple of exclusive shots.

 

UPDATE 1: StarTrek.com has added another great shot to their Remastered Gallery

UPDATE 2: Ain’t It Cool News got their hands on two awsome new shots, the second shows the Planet Killer in better detail then has been seen before.

 

 

UPDATE 3: StarTrek.com have answered the question "what shuttle did Decker steal"…the anwers is "Einstein"…and here it is…see decription at their  Remastered Gallery

More From Doomsday previews: VIDEO  |  IMAGES

Comments

1. Paul - February 8, 2007

The Constellation looks pretty darn good, although I wish it had some glowing damage effects similar to what I have seen in DD’s 90’s version. Perhaps it just doesn’t show in the still photos.

This is going to be a fun weekend for all.

2. Cranston - February 8, 2007

I like DD’s glowing damage effects too, but there’s also something to be said drama-wise about seeing a completely dead hulk. It’ll be interesting to see the progression from completely dark and dead early in the episode to something that has a bit of life left in it by the end.

3. Mr. Atoz - February 8, 2007

Anybody know the name of the shuttle Decker steals?

4. CmdrR - February 8, 2007

3 – I blew it up. It’s the “Blur.”

5. Scott Gammans - February 8, 2007

I made this observation over at scifi-meshes.com but I’ll repeat it here: I think the artists at CBS Digital made a little goof on the font used for the Constellation’s registry. Look closely at the characters forming “U.S.S.” versus the characters in “CONSTELLATION”… they don’t match. In fact, the characters in “CONSTELLATION” don’t match the “NCC-1017″ registry, either.

Oh well, it’s a minor quibble… the model is drop-dead gorgeous.

6. Paul - February 8, 2007

Re: #2……..Cranston, you have a valid point there.

I just rewatched Daren’s FX clip, and I noticed that he only had the glowing effects on the Constellation when the Enterprise initially approaches, and they board. Once the Constellation is taken in tow, the glowing effects are gone.

7. Michael Hall - February 8, 2007

This looks like it might be the remastered version of the opening titles shot, which really makes it a neat point-of-comparison to the original. Does anyone here really want to try to convince me that this looks less “real” than a kitbashed AMT model after it had a close encounter with a soldering iron?

Scott, your eyes must be better than mine, though I’ll gladly take your word for it. And I still wish they’d done the Constellation as an older model starship like you did.

8. Scott Gammans - February 8, 2007

Michael, the apparently different fonts are much more obvious in this closeup:

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/doomsday/constellationnew.jpg

To my eye, it looks like the characters in “CONSTELLATION” use the AmarilloUSAF font that the 11′ studio model had, whereas the characters in “U.S.S.” and “NCC-1017″ appear to be a completly different font.

As for their Constellation appearing to be a contemporary of the Enterprise rather than a predecessor version, you have to admit that CBS Digital’s design choice probably was more in line with what we saw onscreen forty years ago. And besides… it makes *my* design choice all the more unique. ;)

9. pat - February 8, 2007

you guys really need a life come on! these shots look great…this has give star trek “tos” a whole new life with a whole new generation.. quit yor whining!

10. Dip Thong - February 8, 2007

“To my eye, it looks like the characters in “CONSTELLATION” use the AmarilloUSAF font that the 11′ studio model had, whereas the characters in “U.S.S.” and “NCC-1017″ appear to be a completly different font.”

Comedy GOLD! What was the combination of the safe in Kirk’s office again??? :-D

11. steve623 - February 8, 2007

Wow that first shot is a great updating of the sort of iconic image of the wrecked Constellation. Kudos to the CBS people. That’s a wonderful homage.

12. ZtoA - February 8, 2007

That Constellation shot looks like the title-card shot, of course, minus the text.

Great job CBS-D.

13. Greg Stamper - February 8, 2007

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68730.html
Click on:
Constellation and the Planet Killer (Remastered)

The image is not that large and you have seen the shot it at the end of the released trailer but there it is fyi.

14. Greg Stamper - February 8, 2007

Oops, There is a larger image here:
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/TOS/article/28095.html
Click the link for the gallery of original and enhanced images and walk through.

15. Michael Hall - February 8, 2007

“Michael, the apparently different fonts are much more obvious in this closeup:”

Yes, I see that now, and I think we can add something new to Trek lore: the guy in charge of the Constellation‘s refit apparently had an ancestor at NASA–the one who set the specs for the Hubble Telescope’s mirror!

Let me add my own observation about another of the photos: in the shot of Deckard’s stolen shuttlecraft exiting the bay, the gap between the hangar doors seems awfully narrow for that point in the launch, and I’m wondering if it’s a visual tie-in to the story point about it being too late for Sulu to shut the doors before the shuttle escaped.

Pat, I’m not sure which posts in this particular forum you’ve been reading, but I for one plan to have a splendid time watching this on Sunday. There are always nits to pick–that’s part of the fun–but it looks like the CBS team has done exemplary work on this episode by anyone’s standards (except, perhaps, those of the hopeless second-guessers and reflexive CGI-bashers). Watching this show, restored and revitalized, should make me feel for that hour like I’m sixteen all over again–and when you’re getting into your middle age, that’s not a gift you take lightly.

16. Magic_Al - February 8, 2007

Decker’s unshaven face is probably a clue to how long since Constellation was attacked. It’s never said. Looks like a couple days. That plus the fact that the open areas are exposed to vacuum…. it makes more sense not to show anything glowing or burning on the outside of the ship, IMO.

17. Josh T. ( The undiscovered wrath of SPOCK voyage the motion picture) Kirk esquire' - February 8, 2007

I think it’s possible Starships have some sort of emergency failsafe or shutdown mechanisms inherently designed and incorporated into them in the event of catastrophic damage or failure.

Sure, nice sparklies, glitter, and lens flares look pretty, but in reality, if a Starship was drifting releasing anti-matter, the resulting explosion would be quite star like.

Perhaps the warp core is automatically ejected in lieu of the degree of damage done to Constellation.

Engineers and Starship designers would naturally take the worst case scenarios into account, and you can’t very well have the Constellation drifing in planetary orbit leaking radiation and anti-matter.

My two Lincolns.

18. Magic_Al - February 8, 2007

The shuttlecraft’s name is good question. All known shuttlecraft are supposed to be listed here:
http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation_shuttlecraft
As of my post, they don’t list NCC-1701/6, so the name on the CG model shouldn’t be any previously seen name. The name on the CG model is probably legible in HD so that’ll be something to find out. The original episode doesn’t show a name but used stock footage of NCC-1701/7 which is Galileo in other episodes.

19. Prime Erective - February 8, 2007

The shuttlecraft’s name is pretty blurry, but I’m reasonably sure it’s “Ebola”.

You heard it here first.

20. mazzer - February 8, 2007

I can’t believe you guys are debating the font on the ships — that’s super-geeky :-)

Anyway, these are more cool shots, but some of the stills (notably inside the planet killer) look more like illustrations to me, rather than photo-real. I’m guessing that motion and full resolution make the CGI look a lot more real in the actual show.

21. Mike - February 8, 2007

Nerd alert!!! ;-)

22. Michael Appleton - February 8, 2007

As Rick James sang, “he’s a super-geek, super-geek, he’s super -geeky!!!Yeeoww!!”

23. Buckaroohawk - February 8, 2007

Every shot I see from this makes me more impatient for this Sunday, when the episode airs here in Pittsburgh, PA.

I am so looking forward to this; as Michael Hall said, to feel like a kid again for an hour.

Bring on the Planet Killer!

24. Michael Hall - February 8, 2007

Well, Gammans is actually a CG artist, so his professional interest in fonts gets him a geek-free pass if he so wishes. Sadly, the rest of us have no such alibi.

25. Charlie - February 8, 2007

I notice everyone is commenting on the lack of glowing energy leaks in the Constellation, just like in DD’s version of the DDM. But if you remember in the story Washburn tells Kirk. “Somehow the Anti-Matter in the warp drive pods has been deactivated.” So there wouldn’t be any energy leaks would there? Just a thought. I think the new version of the Constellation looks great.

26. Cranston - February 8, 2007

RE: Shuttlecraft name. It looks like 4 or 5 letters, starting with a B, and with only one “tall” lowercase letter. Given that the other shuttles we know are named after early explorers/scientists (Galileo, Columbus — and was there a Copernicus at one point?), I suggest that it might be “Brahe” after Tycho Brahe.

27. Jack Plotner - February 8, 2007

It looks better than the AMT model kit used in the original version. Anything is better than that. Still the interior shots need to be dazzled up as well. Now redo the animated series.

Jack

28. Mark - February 8, 2007

#5: “I think the artists at CBS Digital made a little goof on the font used for the Constellation’s registry. Look closely at the characters forming “U.S.S.” versus the characters in “CONSTELLATION”… they don’t match. In fact, the characters in “CONSTELLATION” don’t match the “NCC-1017″ registry, either.”

I am concerned that no one has noticed the obviously low tensile strength of the exposed girders in the Constellation.

29. Ralph - February 8, 2007

Sure are a lot of stars in the back ground.

30. MichaelJohn - February 8, 2007

With the release of each newly remastered episode, the CBS CGI crew is obviously improving. I’m very impressed with the screen shots from this episode.

Mike :o

31. Sean4000 - February 8, 2007

They might one day compete with Eden FX. :)

32. Nelson - February 9, 2007

Wow, more shots previewed. That side view of the Constellation looks pretty cool, but I wonder if they might have almost crossed the line of overdoing the amount of damage! : ) Particularly on the secondary hull. Plus, doesn’t that engine nacelle look a tad faceted and oblong? I suppose the reasons are it’s damaged.

I like the side view of the Planet Killer, it’s nice to see the reddish glow coming out from inside like the original. And I like the textures and cracks.

33. Skippy 2k - February 9, 2007

“RE: Shuttlecraft name. It looks like 4 or 5 letters, starting with a B, and with only one “tall” lowercase letter. Given that the other shuttles we know are named after early explorers/scientists (Galileo, Columbus — and was there a Copernicus at one point?), I suggest that it might be “Brahe” after Tycho Brahe. ”

Oh crap…… its the “Berman”! HEEES BAAACK! :)

34. yo - February 9, 2007

O man, SG … font mismatch … now I can’t sleep.
“CBS, please go back and fix this for the DVDs!” … Just kidding. ;-)

And the name of the shuttle … that alone is enough to keep me
caffeinated til dawn. Come morning, I’m gonna look like Decker.

No, Cranston, I don’t think it’s “Brahe” … after playing with it in photoshop,
it almost looks like “Beta” … I don’t know what it really says but
I do see something that looks like maybe a cross on the letter ‘t’ … ?

BTW:
If Sinese is a no-go for XI McCoy due to age … how about
Barry McEvoy? I haven’t seen him on screen. One reviewer
did mention that he “has a presence like a younger … Sinise.”
http://www.variety.com/graphics/ten2/pics/mcevoy.jpg

35. Cranston - February 9, 2007

#33 Skippy:

“Oh crap…… its the “Berman”! HEEES BAAACK!”

Ack! But wait — they *do* immediately plunge the shuttlecraft into the maw of a planet-devouring behemoth, after all.

36. Cranston - February 9, 2007

#34 yo:

I agree, it does look a lot like “Beta.” I know — it’s “Bela”, as in Lugosi! (Or maybe Oxmyx? :) )

37. Cranston - February 9, 2007

One question about the shuttlecraft: in the original series, did we ever see an aft view of a shuttle in flight (i.e. not immediately after takeoff)? If so, was that landing strut always deployed like that, or did they retract?

There’s no real reason for them to retract, of course, especially in non-atmospheric flight (and the thing’s so non-aerodynamic for in-atmo flight, I can’t imagine that the landing strut would make a difference). Just wondering if we’d seen one way or the other before.

38. Dyson Sphere - February 9, 2007

I’m still impressed. This is one episode where I’d nit pick it to death also as I like it best. Butthe levels of detail, like the asteroids, is way cool.

39. Dip Thong - February 9, 2007

The new shot I’m most looking forward to seeing is the wide shot of the Constellation beginning to move on impulse. I still remember showing this episode to my future wife back in the late 80’s and her laughing hysterically as the AMT model jerked back and forth. Ruined the moment completely. Now, after 20 years, I get my revenge!

And this week I asked my 3 year old daughter what planet Mr. Spock came from. She very matter of factly said, “Vulcan.” Daddy almost cried….

40. Cervantes - February 9, 2007

I’m getting more used to this new “official” rendering of the Doomsday Machine now, and very much like the new screenshot that Aintitcoolnews.com previewed of it’s side view. I find the gaping opening somewhat reminiscent of a giant sharks maw…which is a design change I like. I am also beginning to like the colour-scheme of the object a bit better thanks to this paticular screenshot. I am looking forward to seeing it’s full eventual High Definition glory on a large screen.

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41. Cervantes - February 9, 2007

Just realised having watched your small preview once more that the reason I initially wasn’t too impressed with the lack of colour on the surface is because the clips show it as looking a bland greyish colour overall…and the reason I like the new screenshot is it’s obvious more blueish overall colour! What gives? I know that in a portion of the preview there is this blue look, but mostly it looks grey. I hope the blue / white dappled colouring is emphasised and comes across in it’s eventual airing as well as in this screenshot. COLOUR is good…

42. Paul W. - February 9, 2007

I love the shots. CBS-D is doing such a great job with the remastering. I did manage to see the previews on youtube of the other version… not a bad attempt, but I didn’t enjoy it as much as the CBS version. But I think there is some great work there. Much better than I could ever do. I know that some posters feel that the other version is better, I can appreciate that. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

#34 – yo
I like your suggestion.. Barry McEvoy is a great actor, I can see him cast as McCoy.

I was going to comment on the whole font issue.. but I won’t go there. ;)

43. Stanky McFibberich - February 9, 2007

re: 28. Mark
“I am concerned that no one has noticed the obviously low tensile strength of the exposed girders in the Constellation.”

Gwahhahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

44. Spirit - February 9, 2007

These images of the Enterprise, as well as the shuttle, look much more “real” and less “flat” than before, and do you see why? It’s the lighting! Instead of the usual very homogenuous “grey” the hull is shiny and shows both shadows and highlights, as it should be.

So this is proof that the CBS-D people are perfectly capable of producing acceptable SFX in line with the original philosophy – if they want to.

45. Kaaaahhhn - February 9, 2007

According the Spock, “The bridge is wrecked and unihabitable.”

Not on these images, they aren’t…

46. calvination - February 9, 2007

Good catch, Kahn. Shouldn’t the exterior bridge show charred damage to match Spock’s analysis of the interior bridge’s condition when he is updating Kirk?

47. Lord David - February 9, 2007

Well maybe it’s just damaged internally, or intentionally sealed off… who knows? I’m pretty sure they didn’t want to make it too destracting, and make it look similar to the orginal wrecked Constellation

48. Lao3D - February 9, 2007

Bridge damage is visible on the far side of the first image posted on Wednesday:

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/doomsday/constellationnewb.jpg

The color of the Planet Killer looks significantly bluer than the first preview shots and vid — I hope it stays that way!

49. Cervantes - February 9, 2007

Not a critisism, just a thought…

I know that CBS Digital have roughly replicated the size of the DM to match the one in the original show, but perhaps they missed a trick in not INCREASING it’s scale… It is meant to be a “devourer of planets” after all… This would have made this object even MORE scary.

50. Driver - February 9, 2007

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of The Kirk. This is Classic Trek.

51. Visual FX blog: for all your visual effects news and reviews » Posting » More Doomsday remastered eye candy - February 9, 2007

[…] These two are from The Trek Movie Report: […]

52. Jamfo - February 9, 2007

The bridge damage is also plainly visible on the first shot in this article, the overhead shot of the Constellation. You can plainly see that the bridge area is charred and blackened, with scarring and cracking in the dorsal dome. Because of the angle of lighting, the damage might be mistaken as a shadow… but look at the difference in the darkness. The damaged area is black as pitch, where the shadows that extend across the hull are a deeper grey.

53. freezejeans - February 9, 2007

#49 – I totally agree, the scale of that thing needs to be HUGE. I’m not nitpicking the actual design of it, I think it’s awesome. But imagine how much more terrifying it would be if it were 3-4 times larger and the Enterprise was just a speck…plus I always thought it would be great to see that thing actually devouring a smaller moon or something into its maw. Puts the Death Star to shame :)

54. billy don't be a hiro - February 9, 2007

Yeah you’re right #44, they obviously just don’t care about what they’re doing most of the time. Just picking up a paycheck with no concern about the final product. This week was a fluke I guess.

55. diabolik - February 9, 2007

Well, I think they tried harder because of the other versions, out there particularly one, that they felt they had to out-do. Competition is a good thing.

I also thought of a shark when I saw the side view of the mouth of the berserker. Very appropriate. Even the music, though pre-“Jaws,” sounds very much like the shark theme at certain times when things get real tense and dramatic. The music in this episode is awesome.

At last the visuals will match the level of the drama on the ships and the music.

56. diabolik - February 9, 2007

As for the scale, let’s just hope that they have corrected that when the shuttle is being swallowed. The shuttle looked too big in the original when going in.

I was hoping for a larger DM than before, and I think it is somewhat larger, but not too much. Guess they were just trying to stay faithful to the original in that.

57. Jon - February 9, 2007

here in NY they made a LITTLE BIT of a programming mistake.Trek’s on at 3 am.when I was a boy I discovered Trek after school when everthing on tv was really drab.It’s like today soaps,war,hillbillies beating each other up.CBS needs to put it on at a time an audience will find it.Late afternoon or early evening.

58. Magic_Al - February 9, 2007

Too much damage? Spock says, “The entire bridge is damaged and uninhabitable. The rest of the ship seems able to sustain life.”

59. Jon - February 9, 2007

follow-up to 57…How have the ratings been for Trek remastered in Chicago and other places where it’s on at a decent hour?.My point here being,if the ratings are good that would be the only way programmers could justify scheduling it at better hours in NY

60. ScreenRant.com - Visit For Movie News & More - February 9, 2007

Man, this episode is going to live on my Tivo for a LOOONG time. :-)

On a side note, it’s been a very long time since I’ve seen such a gathering of Trek geeks in one location. I love it!

Vic

61. yo - February 9, 2007

Cervantes:
#40. > “I find the gaping opening somewhat reminiscent of a giant sharks maw … which is a design change I like.”

The shark analogy reminds me of one of New Voyages’ old posters
for their “In Harm’s Way” episode. That poster had a DM rising up
like the shark in the classic “Jaws” poster; with the dwarfed Enterprise
above it, like the swimmer in the Jaws poster.

#49. > “I know that CBS Digital have roughly replicated the size of the DM to match the one in the original show, but perhaps they missed a trick in not INCREASING it’s scale. It is meant to be a ‘devourer of planets’ after all.”

Some of us agree with you, but I see no need to supersize the machine.
It is ‘presumably’ big enough to pack enough power to generate the
antiproton beam that disintegrates a planet. The beam breaks the
planet into digestible pieces small enough to fit the machine’s
gapin’ maw.

(As you know from the episode: “We saw this thing hovering over the
planet, slicing out chunks with a force beam.” “What kind of a beam?”
“Pure antiproton.” … “Its apparent function is to smash planets
to rubble, and then digest the debris for fuel.”)

Freezejeans suggests making it “3-4 times larger”.
But why stop there? Someone else will propose an even larger size.

Perhaps someone else will suggest a diameter similar to the Fesarius.
(“Spock estimated the Fesarius to be a mile in diameter, but …
the actual size of the Fesarius can be estimated at … close to
4 miles in diameter.” [Memory-Alpha]) … But again, why stop there?
Someone will propose an even larger size.

Just leave it alone, say I.

62. billy don't be a hiro - February 9, 2007

It should be … my God, over EIGHTY-TWO AUs in diameter!

63. SithMenace - February 9, 2007

This is one of the episodes I have either never seen, or don’t remember because I was too young. I can’t wait to see this episode Sunday.

64. SithMenace - February 9, 2007

I keep reading about Decker in the comments, is this the same Decker from TMP, or his brother or father or something?

65. billy don't be a hiro - February 9, 2007

Willard Decker from TMP was the son of Matt Decker from Doomsday Machine according to TMP’s promotional material.

66. Frank - February 9, 2007

I’m sorry but the rendering of Doomsday Machine still looks like it was created by a first year 3d student.

I prefer the model and rendering used on the Trekenanced website:

http://www.betafive.com/TREKENHANCED/Doomsday%20Trailer.html

67. Daystrom Lives! - February 9, 2007

Can anyone tell the name on Decker’s shuttlecraft? Looks fuzzed out to me.

68. Michael Appleton - February 9, 2007

I have an interesting question if everyone can pull themselves away from this geekfest marathon for a moment. Is Gary Sinise, or his agent, even aware of how hard Trekdom is lobbying for him to play the part of McCoy in the films? Just curious…

69. Ron Jon - February 9, 2007

Actually, I wasn’t even aware of a fan campaign for Gary Sinise. I’m sure he would make a great McCoy, but at this moment, I really am much more interested in the remastered “Doomsday Machine.”

70. Nelson - February 9, 2007

Scale comments above about how big the Planet Killer is reminded me of the original shot of Decker’s shuttlecraft going into the Planet Killer and how out of scale that shot is when compared to the Enterprise when it’s close to entering it. I’m sure they’ll fix that.

71. Lord Edzo - February 9, 2007

These are just frikkin’ amazing. I just can’t say it any better than that. You VFX guys & gals simply kick ass.

72. Holo J - February 9, 2007

its Einstein

I just noticed this on star trek official site

http://www.startrek.com/custom/include/feature/bst/tos-enhanced/tos-035e/pop.html

This work is looking awesome

73. Holo J - February 9, 2007

sorry that was in response to post 67, but I guess you knew that :O)

74. Mr. Atoz - February 9, 2007

If the bridge of the Constellation was destroyed. I wonder how Decker survived the attack. He was probably on the Bridge when it was hit. Or was he coordinating the evacuation effort?

75. Driver - February 9, 2007

That first year 3D student must be a frickin’ genius! CBS Digital is awesome. Maybe they’ll get to work on the new feature film.

76. CmdrR. - February 9, 2007

72 – I could barely make out the way the alcoves are set up in previous shots…but you can see it nicely here. That answers a big question from a previous thread from “Journey to Babel” as to where the outer hull is. It’s a cool detail, not visible in TOS shots.

77. CmdrR. - February 9, 2007

I’ve used the best graphics tools I have to blow up the shuttle… It’s still the Blur. The Starbase 11 shuttle was “The Picasso.” I assume all Enterprise shuttles are named for astronomers. All I can see is it’s a short name.
This is pure guess based on literally seconds of Wikipedia searching:
Brahe. (Tyco Brahe)
Your guess is as good as mine (or better.) Just remember, there’s only one day until Doomsday!!!!

78. charlie - February 9, 2007

#72 Already came up with the name of the shuttlecraft.

It’s the EINSTEIN

79. Roger - February 9, 2007

Doomsday is tomorrow!! I frakkin’ love the close up shot of the Constellation. Wow. Wow. WOW.

80. Deckard - February 9, 2007

I think you might be right on “Brahe”.

81. charlie - February 9, 2007

The name of the shuttlecraft is EINSTEIN.

http://www.startrek.com/custom/include/feature/bst/tos-enhanced/tos-035e/pop.html

82. Jörg - February 9, 2007

Mhh, according to Mike Okuda on the image comparison page on startrek.com, the “shuttle is labeled Einstein, though the name is never legible on screen”. Check the fourth comparison image from the episode. That shuttlebay shot wasn’t there (in the gallery) before, was it?

83. Jörg - February 9, 2007

Oh my, I hadn’t read the previous posts (forgot to update the page) Sorry! ;-)

84. Jim G. - February 9, 2007

That profile shot of DDM looks funky. Too tapered compaired to the original + I was always preferable to the color and texture of the original as well.

85. Paul - February 9, 2007

Out of curiosity, has it ever been explained anywhere on just how the DDM is able to move? From looking at this mechanical “bugle”, it isn’t readily apparent that it has any form of propulsion system. If anything, the maw of the DDM would make a great exhaust port for one huge engine. LOL

I figure that there is someone among Trek fandom who can answer this question.

Let the speculation begin! This ought to be interesting. ;)

86. FlyingTigress - February 9, 2007

#85

Ans. “Unladen African Swallows?”

87. CmdrR. - February 9, 2007

OK. Einstein it is. Apparently, the nomenclature artist is a decendant of mine. His handwriting is crappy. (Still looks like few letters for Einstein, but I’ll take your word for it.)

88. TomBot2007 - February 9, 2007

Re:#57, JON, I see what your saying… when I was a kid, I’d haul butt home from school fast in time to see Star Trek on at 4pm in the afternoon. These days though, with the advent of Tivio, I’m not so sure it matters as much. It certaintly couldn’t hurt, though.
~~~
As for the lack of sparkly stuff and death throe glows coming from the Constellation, I can’t believe these supposively logical rationalizations… LOL! You’d think we were debating some “historical” re-enactment, not a science “fiction” show. Much of what is debated over and over again are fudges made in the way of drama or economy, whether it was CBS-D today, or Roddenberry & Co. back in the day. I am always highly dubious of the overzealous, especially when the venom is not warranted or beneficial. :-p
~~~
I can’t wait to see this Sunday! Something definitely to look forward to! :-D

89. FlyingTigress - February 9, 2007

Oh, but then of course, African swallows are non-migratory. So, perhaps European swallows.

/Monty P.

90. Paul - February 9, 2007

Expanding on the concept that the maw is one large exhaust port (which I know it isn’t), it would be really funny to see the DDM moving in reverse all the time. LOL

Look out! It’s the giant Spacewedge! :)

91. Michael Appleton - February 9, 2007

#86 “Unladen African Swallows?” Boy, you’re lucky! The only type I’ve ever encountered is Unladen African Spits! Ba-dum-bum!!

92. CmdrR. - February 9, 2007

85 — Well, in that vein… How does the DDM keep from shooting off like a bullet when the Constellation gives it a terminal case of gas? Wouldn’t the same blast destroy and retro/stabilizer propulsion? Pop goes the DDM!

93. FlyingTigress - February 9, 2007

#90

Maybe the ‘maw’ is the equivalent to the Bussard collector, and there’s a venturi effect that accelerates things down the wedge — and there is a little teeny exhaust port (assuming a reaction drive) at the tail end point of the cone.

Of course, it could be those European swallows… or “Magic”

94. FlyingTigress - February 9, 2007

#92

“Magic”

/Philip J. Fry

95. Deckard - February 9, 2007

Wasn’t there a book that explained what the planet killer was? I seem to remember it was a Next Gen book with Guinan, and that it was used to combat the Borg.

96. Earl Grey, hot - February 9, 2007

I was an impressionable grade schooler watching Star Trek reruns in the 1970s. I have not seen “Doomsday” for a long time. But, these comments have brought back great memories.

At the start of the episode, when the USS Constellation is discovered, I recall that Spock scans it and remarks something along the lines “Not reading normal energy output”. His comment is accompanied by one of the “funny” Star Trek musical cues. (I would have thought “serious” or, even better, “ominous” music should have played, but a sound engineer pushed a wrong button?)

Another issue is the DM has a hull made of neutronium, the same stuff that neutron stars are made of (Wikipedia has a netruonium article that even mentions this episode–maybe one of you guys wrote it!) So depending on how big the DM is, it could have a mass equal to an entire star. It must have an outrageous propulsion system that can move something so massive at warp speeds and dogfight a starship.

Also, the Enterprise better be careful not to get too close to the DM otherwise it will be ripped apart by tidal forces just like in Larry Niven’s “Neutron Star” story (more grade school memories of “deep” fiction!)

What about the fact that a starship’s impulse engines only create 100 megatons (or 98.6 or whatever) power when they explode? That always seemed underpowered to me. I read that a 15 MT nuclear bomb was tested by the USA in 1961, so 23rd century weapons should be even more powerful. So, why not just fire a photon torpedo into its maw (such as when the Enterprise was being held by its tractor beam) and be done with it without sacrificing the Constellation?

And about the tensile strength of the deck superstructure…

97. Paul - February 9, 2007

Well, apparently this site supposedly explains the propulsion system of the DDM.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Total_conversion_drive

“A total conversion drive is a power system that converts 100% of matter into pure energy. Enterprise sensors indicated that the self-propelled weapon system known as the Doomsday Machine was powered by some form of total conversion drive.

Theoretically, an matter-antimatter reaction is also a form of total conversion.”

98. Admiraldeem - February 9, 2007

4. CmdrR – 3 – I blew it up. It’s the “Blur.”

Wow–I am slow today! I finally got the second half of the joke. I shall now think of you as Commander Alfalfa

99. CmdrR. - February 9, 2007

98 – Smarter minds than mine say it’s the Einstein. Being the smart-arse I am, I couldn’t resist a joke. So… we have the Galileo, Galileo II, Capernicus, Columbus, and Einstein.

100. cd - February 9, 2007

Reading all of this nitpicking and tech talk makes me think one thing…
Star Trek Lives!

101. Kevin - February 9, 2007

#95- yup, the book was called Vendetta. I believe it involved another El Aurian getting control of another DDM. According to the book it was built at a somewhat secret facility outside the galactic barrier to combat the Borg. The builders apparently lost. But of course, books are not Star Trek cannon.

# 96- my only guess as to not firing a Photon torpedo into its opening would be that a torpedo would be recognized by the planet killer as a weapon and be destroyed before it got close enough to do any damage. A starship would be recognized as food. Of course the real reason is for dramatic purposes. Had they been able to simply fire a torpedo the show would have been half as long and not very exciting. As for the power of the impulse engines- they’re just fusion powered engines, not weapons.

102. CmdrR. - February 9, 2007

95, 96, 101, et al — Norman Spinrad was a sci-fi fantasy writer in his mid-20’s. Drama is king, not physics, although there’s nothing so glaring that it distracts. In dramatic terms, the story obeys its own rules.

103. Canonista the Cultist - February 9, 2007

#101

Vendetta was one of the better *written* TNG books back in the day. Peter David if I’m not mistaken.

Having said that I wasn’t so hot about mixing DDM with the Borg. But at the time, the Borg was a brand new idea and was the first *seemingly* unstoppable technological threat the Federation had faced since the Kirk-era. DDM and V’Ger were the two things that instantly sprung to mind when you thought of the Borg at the time.

I agree with Spock: one DDM was quite sufficient. Also, the idea that more than one of them made its way into the Milky Way makes it seem more like something native to our galaxy instead of something that wandered into the Milky Way through intergalactic space. I prefer to think of it as something immensely ancient that came from outside the galaxy…more mysterious that way.

104. Michael Appleton - February 9, 2007

Is it a fact that the DDM was indeed a machine, or is there any chance it was some kind of living entity a la Tin Man and Kirk killed something that was alive?

105. diabolik - February 9, 2007

Good point above about the reaction to the inner explosion causing it to rocket in the opposite direction!

Maybe the DM “fought” the explosion from within as long as it could, trying to absorb the energy and dampening the effects of inertia, but the amount of energy was just too much and it burned out/overloaded it’s conversion furnace. As it lost power then all control was gone.

I suppose as it turned the planetary chunks into energy to absorb and harness, it had never had to tame an all-at-once release of energy such as the matter/anti-matter blast would create. Good news for the galaxy.

And I love the alternate view and atmosphere of the shuttle bay!

106. diabolik - February 9, 2007

As for the torpedoes being an effective weapon fired down the maw, no way that could equal the power of a M/AM explosion of an entire warp core.

Kirk was about to do the same thing to destroy V’Ger in TMP, and there was no doubt in their minds about it’s ability to do what the torpedoes could not.

(The ability of later ships to eject the warp core was a definite improvement over the ships of Kirk’s time.)

107. diabolik - February 9, 2007

Although I enjoyed the Vendatta book, I never bought the idea of the DM being a fairly recent anti-borg device either. I much prefer it to be a relic left over from a million-year-old war.

108. diabolik - February 9, 2007

I know that the power of photon torpedoes was down-graded throughout the movies until, on TUC, they were exploding against an unprotected hull and doing little damage. They used to be a formidible weapon, on the order of mega-nukes, but they became little more than a cannister of TNT for later dramatic reasons.

109. CmdrR. - February 9, 2007

107 – amen. The more we connect one story to another, the muddier it gets. I like the Borg better when they were silent enemies (pre-chatterbox queen.)

110. CmdrR. - February 9, 2007

108 – one little torpedo can ruin your whole deck.
http://www.dvd-narr.de/kritiken/images/s/startrek6pic4.jpg

and speaking of creative liberties…
http://www.chronicles-network.com/forum/attachments/1576-defacing-images-star-trek-bill.jpg

111. brady - February 9, 2007

watch in harms way from new voyages…they gave the ddm a lil tail like a sperm to move it around…its a hoot …lol

112. diabolik - February 9, 2007

Sure, the torpedo punched through the hull, and blew some things up… but no more than a torpedo-sized cannister of plastic explosives would have done. Pre-movies, one near-hit by a torpedo without sheilds meant “bye-bye, baby!”

Certainly was not even a mini-suitcase-nuke in that torpedo casing in TUC.

113. CmdrR. - February 9, 2007

The strength of the torpedos is all over the road. In “The Changling,” Nomad kicks out a regular supply of weapons “equal to ninety of our photon torpedos.” (And the E’s shields take a bunch of hits.) Personally, I’d expect two or three to finish any unshielded ship, much as a present day torpedo would cripple or kill a present day battleship.

114. Canonista the Cultist - February 9, 2007

# 109. I felt the same about the Borg. The queen never made any sense to me. In using it as a dramatic device they completely destroyed the concept of the species itself.

# 112. I completely agree with you. To me, a torpedo hitting a ship with shields down should mean TWOK type destruction.

115. Kyle H - February 9, 2007

DAREN DOC HAS POSTED HIS FX!!!

http://betafive.com/wordpress/?p=76

116. Dr. Image - February 9, 2007

I’d like to see CBS-D give us some visuals of Nomad deploying its arsenal.
#111- That New Voyages episode was taken into the realm of unintentional comedy by the way they handled the DDM’s behavior as well as all of the other ships.
Someone must’ve been afraid to piss off the boss or something!

117. CmdrR. - February 9, 2007

For what it’s worth, I think New Voyages is a hoot. I love THAT they’re doing this level of production at all. I do not, however, take any of it as canon. Just alternative fun. Please — Sulu in leather? Now??

118. Kyle H - February 9, 2007

FIRST IMPRESSION:

The 1960s models, and the period approach to photographing them, never looked better… which is a stylistic/artistic choice. I’ll look forward to seeing CBS-D’s version, and to following the comments here!!

119. Father Rob - February 9, 2007

I am almost finished with my download of Daren’s version…

standing by….

Engaging viewer!

Rob+

120. Commander Hawk - February 9, 2007

I don’t know if this has been pointed out yet, but has anyone noticed that CBS-D forgot to put damage on the starboard (right looking at it from the back) nacelle pylon on the Constellation? If you look at the comparison shot on Startrek.com of the Constellation entering the planet killer’s maw you can see clearly that the pylon had taken damage in the orignal version. I’m not complaning, just being nitpicky.

121. Stanky McFibberich - February 9, 2007

Just watched the Dochterman version. Very enjoyable. I know very little about producing digital effects, but it is something I would love to try someday if I ever had access to the proper equipment and software. I can really appreciate the amount of time and effort in a project like this. I have no nitpicking to do…..just want to thank Mr. Dochterman for providing this for us and to say, “well done!”

122. Ralph F - February 9, 2007

One request: PROPERLY SCALED SHUTTLECRAFT GOING INTO THE MAW.

Since childhood, it has bugged me that the shuttlecraft appeared to be the same size as the CONSTELLATION going into the Doomsday Machine.

123. Father Rob - February 9, 2007

Well, my overall grade for DarenDoc’s edition is a B.

The opening shot was resued once, as was the “Cage”-esque saucer shot of the Enterprise.

The Constellation was pretty good as well. Didn’t much care for the sparklies or the lack of evident bridge damage.

A few things… the Enterprise is a lady, and her balls are too big. The Connie, though she was down to a single ball, had a ball that looked better.

The planetkiller was unique, and while I didn’t care for the whiplash effect early on, I liked that the entire PK was basically clear, see-through, to an extent.

The Enterprise, in some shots when under tractor beam, looked to close, but the next moment she was farther away.

The phasers were pretty inconsistent. I don’t like the color choice, but I fail to understand how the phasers, firing outward at a 30 some degree angle to each other manage to converge later (lens flare?)…

I notice that Daren doctored the credits, which I don’t generally have an issue with… but when he remastered the shot of the Enterprise against the Galactic Barrier, he gave the gray lady balls.

The anti-proton beam was far too cartoonish for my liking… and the iconic ‘Connie through the Nacelle Pylons” shots looked like two cardboard cutouts on clear cells being drug back and forth.

The stars were constantly moving at ‘warpspeed’ instead of something more akin to impulse.

The starfield was a bit too dense.

The snap disappearance of the Enterprise at the end was a dissapointment.

The whip-turn motion of the Enterprise in the opening credits remained from the recent opening credits test release.

In closeup shots the Enterprise looked spectactular. From a distance, more like an animated cel.

That’s about it…

Rob+

124. Lao3D - February 9, 2007

Wow. Daren, I’m sure you’ll have a thread on your version soon, but that was exceptionally well done. The integration of your FX shots was seamless with the original. CBS-D has their work cut out for them!

I’ve got to go watch that about 30 or 40 more times!

125. Jay - February 9, 2007

Just watched Daren’s version…it’s amazing!! He did a fantastic job! What a great weekend…getting not one but *two* excellent new versions of my favorite episode – doesn’t get much better than this. :-)

126. Ralph F - February 9, 2007

And, thank you; Daren got the scale of the shuttlecraft dead-on perfect. Thank you for that!

127. DJT - February 9, 2007

WOw…..that shuttlebay looks awesome. Time to buy a DVR.

THREE WISHES

1) BROADCAST TOSR in HD
2) LOS ANGELES broadcaster should move it to a BETTER TIME SLOT.
3) I wish CBSD could augment some of the live action stuff to better meld with the new fx. IE TPTB@CBS, give these guys MORE $$, more time or more help! Your audience is there…there’s no need to rush. If you build it….

Ref: DD’s DDM – Decker lowers the “window ” on the Einstein, yet it can still be seen raised in the next EXT FX shot.

128. laserlover2254 - February 10, 2007

I want to see more new ships.

129. Grady Christie - March 17, 2009

Amazing. I was thinking about this one recently. This episode had to have the most space sequences of any ST-TOS. Lots of stuff to refurbish!

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