“The Doomsday Machine” Screenshots and Video February 10, 2007
by Matt Wright , Filed under: TOS Remastered, TOS-R Screenshots/Video , trackbackA fan favorite and perhaps the most space effects heavy episode in the run of TOS gets a shiny new CGI treatment.
Video
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New and Old
The chunks of dead planets
Approaching the Constellation
Passing infront of the viewscreen
The Constellaion
Over the saucer shot
The damaged Constellation in full view
Getting closer
On the viewscreen
Close up of the damage
Towing the Constellation
Sulu’s reaction shot to the planet killer
The Planet Killer follows the Enterprise
The Enterprise with Constellation in tractor trying to stay head of the planet killer
The planet killer comes to bear
The planet killer fires on the Enterprise
The Enterprise looses the tractor on the Constellation
The Constellation adrift
The planet killer fires again
Facing down the planet killer
The Enterprise from the Constellation viewscreen
Firing on the planet killer
Close up of firing on the planet killer
The planet killer retaliates
The Enterprise is caught in the planet killer’s tractor
The view from the Constellation
The Constellation tries to distract the planet killer
The Enterpise is freed from the tractor
Decker steals the shuttle part 1
Decker steals the shuttle part 2
Decker heads for the planet killer
The view from inside shuttlecraft
The shuttle is swallowed up
The Constellation aims down the planet killers throat
The Constellation is engulfed by the energy of the planet killer
The planet killer sputters
The planet killer sputters and explodes
The planet killer rendered harmless
The dead doomsday device on the viewscreen
Walking past the viewscreen of the dead planet killer
Assorted Shots
"right out of hell, I saw it!"
Decker assumes command
The Enterprise skims along the surface of the planet killer
Scotty warns the captain about pushing the Costellation
Kirk gets a bit nervous as the detonator counts down
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Oh my lord! CBS Digital hit this one right out of the park! I loved every minute of it. Spock’s initial description of the Constellation’s status doesn’t seem a good match to its devastated appearance, but I’m not going to complain since the extensive damage sells the rest of the show so well.
And the Machine did have some lovely coloration and details, and I did see something special in its maw like Okuda promised. Fantastic work!
Just wonderful. Well worth the wait! Everyone at CBS Digital must have been working late on this one!
Holy EFFING Cow™!!!
Where to start??
If this episode is the Litmus Test® for trek remastered… then color it ALL sucksexxFULL©. WOW. just wow.
WOW WOW WOW. awesome
mac-mercedes of mac in the pants on an effing ipod in mp4!!!!
WOW
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Wow! So many pics. I don’t have to watch the episode now. (J.K.)
I look forward to seeing it tomorrow whenit airs here. Great job guys(CBS-Digital)
I just watched this ep. The new effects really help and to me, they look great.
Unfortunately, my experience was marred by such great character moments as “Vulcans never bluff.” “No, I suppose they don’t.” excised for penis-enhancement commercials.
Gotta love it!
youtube keeps dicking with my clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkLzvGB1Hs4
Me first?
I laughed at the caption “Sulu’s reaction shot…”
Trek used that Sulu shot so many times, changing only the viewscreen view, that whenever another episode would use it, my sister and I would yell “HEY SULU!” and he’d turn around and look. Because we knew he would.
Holy crap, they did this episode WELL.
I haven’t seen it in years…. for some reason, I was watching the TNG episode “Parallels” on G4 with the kid today. I got to thinking about how well THAT stood up to the test of time.
WIth this episode, CBS-D has PROVEN that it doesn’t matter if ANY episode was filmed in the 60s, 80s, 90s… Trek is effing timeless.
You could watch this episode filmed in 1960 what-the-effing-ever and it looks like they shot it yesterday!!!!
talk about making Trek relevant again!
I cannot underscore that enough. Just WOW.
Gonna burn dvd copies for all my pimps in Compton!!!
G’s up HOs down!!
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The Trekmovie.com logo version of Joe’s clip should be up shortly… it is being “processed” by the YouTube engine as we speak. Hopefully it doesn’t have the wierness.
Watched the original with my 8-year-old two nights ago; he was disgusted with the fakey animated phaser blasts. Watched the remastered episode tonight: “This is way cooler!”
Dad thinks so too.
#5 — Amen to that! My broadcast is filled with Relacore commercials.
WOW! CBS-Digital went all out on this one. This is the best work yet!
This ep. went beyond all my expations.
I’m overly imprest.
I just saw it. I’m gonna have to say that it was done very well. This has got to be the best CGI work CBSD has done. The detail of the wrecked Constellation was superb. The new shots showing the different vectors of the starships vs. the planet killer were great. The shuttle taking off from the shuttlebay then veering towards the DDM was perfectly done. There were some shots of the Enterprise that looked actually movie quality. I was very impressed.
The gripes, very few. The phasers did look a little off, though I can’t pinpoint why. I would have liked to see what the anti-proton weapon looked like hitting the ship. The redressed Enterprise sets made to look wrecked always struck me as a bit cheesy but there’s not much that can be done about that. That’s it.
Terrific job CBSD! Keep up the good work.
P.S. the opening theme music sounded great.
Exceptionally nice work that really honored this classic episode.
Goddammit, this was just SO effing wonderful… I am just at a loss for words. SO good.
How about the debris hitting the Constellation?
The shuttlecraft?
OMG, this was just PERFECT!!!
CBS-D, may you lay down with many many many disease-free promiscous woman that choose exclusivity to your gender while cooking in the kitchen with the importance of Jesus H. Christ’s last supper.
Amen,
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Damn! They cut “Vulcans never bluff?!?!?!”
grrrrr…..
oh well, it’s on here in 34 minutes!
:)
Damn…45 minutes til showtime in Atlanta…can I stand the strain!
how cool to come home and find this up on the site….thanks a lot Matt. And I should have joe’s clip youtubed and embedded shortly
I wish I could avoid spoiling myself until it airs here in LA at midnight Sunday…but I cant
well done
CBS Digital! You guys did a great job! The new angles are kick a- - , and the effects are right on.
The E looks like it ought to, and I now know that, with extra time given to your team, you CAN do proper lighting.
Again, awesome job on the new angles and shots. It’s almost like watching an entirely new episode. The DVD ought to be awesome w/o all the edits.
Thanks guys.
I just finished watching it. Oh. My. GOD! Incredible! The effects were awsome! I noticed, what I think maybe a phaser bank at the rear of the ship nbear the shuttle bay. It looks like a whitehead!lol. The scene of the E as it escapes the tractor beam and the light hits it as it turns to port is great! And I reallt noticed how Kirk’s wrap around really popped with the green! Is it me or have the lights that circle the ceiling of the bridge always been different colors? Doesn’t matter. I loved everything about it! Keep it up! Trek lives! Again!
This was just absolutely splendid and awe-inspiring.
Note for posterity: The photos released prior to the airing of these episodes absolutely positively do NOT do the actual episode justice, and in any future speculation about “dodgy” effects work, that HAS to be taken into consideration.
That’s twice now people based opinions on the quality of the work on shitty screen grabs viewed on their computer, this episode, and the Fesarius. Both of which overwhelmingly exceeded expectation and initial perception.
CBS you guys own the playing field fellas, Star Trek LIVES
Time to get a diet coke and a comfy chair…minutes to go…
and I have had that classic “Duh-dum, duh-dum, duh-dum duh-dum” soundtrack in my head all day…
Let’s not get down (pun intended)) on peeeeenile enhancement or e-rectile dysfunction commercials. This is a very serious malady that affects many many many men.
WIll my post be censored by the filters? Lettuce see. But anyways, that’s important stuff SO who cares.
Sometimes we need to sacrifice some Spock to talk about the issues that affect men. Oh yes. So we’re not allowed to talk about men’s health issues but all the time about menstrual cramping and the vagina monologues and all that.
What about the our tallywacker dialogues? I had performance anxiety and all that?????
The truth is that men aren’t allowed to tell. We’re expected to perform when its needed (such as the need for a check or child support) yet we are all pervs for our instinctual need to procreate the human race.
The fact of the matter is that we are all slaves to the poontana, and chicks, depite their lesser intelligence, are our masters. Have you ever seen a woman President? I rest my case.
Yet chicks rule us. No better exemplifed in the Trek episode - “bringers of great pain and givers of GREAT pleasure”. Brain brain and brain! What is this brain? They never knew. They had to steal Spock’s.
What was the question again?
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I had a Trekgasm when the E was attacking the DDM.
The whole episode just rocked. Rocked, I tell you!
Someone already mentioned it but this episode has a very ” The Motion Picture” vibe to it with the enhanced effects, several passes of the Enterprise reminded me greatly of the Enterprise approaching Vejur.
CBS Digital. We’re not worthy. We’re not worthy.
I’m waiting until 20 minutes after it starts, then rewinding the DVR so I can skip through the commercials!
:)
mama mia!
my favorite: the feel of those curving trajectories, instead of all the ships arranged in a straight line. curving in for the attack, or ramming down its throat, or hardabout gimme some distance, these all had so much more depth and scale than in the original. awesome!
CBS Digital nailed it. Bravo.
Drool!!!
It might have taken a dozen or so episodes but, CBS did a fantastic job ! A+
IF you haven’t seen this episode yet…
You’re going to be blownthefuckaway®. I absolutely guarantee that to the non-BILLievers™.
And it DID look almost like a movie. WOW.
Plus did anyone notice how skinny and fit that THE SHAT™ looked? But hey thats an early Elvis™ vs fat Vegas Elvis kinda debate and you KNOW that old h69 is gonna say that either version rules. DENNY CRANE!
I wonder what THE DOC™ has up his sleeve to trump CBS-D®?
I hope that you all realize just how wonderful we have this. It’s like, we’re the biggest dorkiest geeks in the basement, and without ordering out for Chinese, we have the hottest chicks in the world at our throne begging for and trying for the chance to be hotter and hotter without even asking for a dime of our ebay collectible stash.
think about it and get humble.
best!!
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I’m sorry, I’m going to be in the minority here, but the hack-and-slash job done by the editors absolutely ruined this episode for me, new special effects notwithstanding. The best part of this episode for me (and this is my favorite TOS episode out of them all) was the interaction between the Enterprise crew and the obsessed, driven Decker. The edits of the showdown between Spock and Decker cheapened the entire matter of the struggle of command. I know that TV stations are more greedy for ad revenue than they were in the 60s, so okay, give the enhanced ST a 90-minute time slot like the Sci-Fi channel did, and show the whole damn thing! And about the new special effects, I thought they were done well in this episode, compaired to the sub-standard work done by CBS Digital in previous episodes, but still not even to the level of effects on ST: Voyager or Enterprise.
I think that Josh® said it, but true… the preview pics did not advocate the excellence that we have witnessed.
I’m going to shut the F up now, because I really want to read another 200 mac in the pants boner growing kind of posts that this episode UNDOUBTEDLY is going to produce here. Dudes that haven’t even seen it yet… dudes that have seen it, but are slowing cleaning up the ejaculate in their hands that it inspired… this sort of thing.
My feelings were hurt here back in the day butt I need to come back because I am needed here. However, I shall not go JesterStar on BakerMedia radio on you all. Unlike with my 12 friends Budweiser, I know when to say when.
I hope that you all enjoyed DOOMSDAY MECH® remastered and continue to talk about this at Trekmovie.com. I will be reading from afar.
best!!
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Chris, you are not alone!
I agree, for the most part, this is not the A level endeavor i thought they should have done from the start. This episode was the best so far.
I’m Sean BTW.
Chris, I have to come back and question your comments about Commodore Matt Decker’s “obssession”
or however that friggin word is spelled. ANYWAY…
Dude, lookit. IF the friggin architects DIDNT have obssession to build the World Trade Center, where did Osama Bin’s obssession come from to take them down? IF Roddenberry’s obssession for a Trek II III and IV story about time travel to save JFK didn’t happen, then why did JFK JRs obssession with flying at night over troubled waters lead him to death? And IF Rick Berman’s obssession with hating Kirk led to Shatner’s obssession with acting to die… dude, really….. is Matt Decker’s “obssession” all that abnormal in this world of obssession with relacore and veeeeagra? Its all about Rod Johnson dude.
think about this. dwell deeply.
then GET OFF on Doomsday Machine remastered. YOU KNOW that you love it.
best!!
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Great re-episode, love it. Still disappointed with edits. Spock relieving Decker of command-it’s not all there.
I’m gonna download the uncut version from iTunes when it comes out. In the meantime, I think I’ll watch it again on TiVO!
Last time I felt like this, it was watching BOBW part 1.
dil™, you’re blaming the edit on CBS-D®
NOT true.
BIG DAWG AP reported long ago that EVERY friggin episode is remastered IN FULL by CBS-d®
These reviews should not focus on what the affiliates are cutting.
best!!
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They took what I thought even 30 years ago was the worst special(?) effects episode, and made it kick ass!!!
um..I’m guessing Hitch enjoyed the remastered DDM…I think.
Anyway, this was a nice effort. A few things more I’d like to have seen, but overall very good. The phaser effect hitting the “neutronium” was quite obviously MUCH better than the previous 1960’s cartoonish one.
This is an ep that needed more than subtle enhancement. The action demanded a thorough updating, so I’m with CBS-D on this one.
The Atlanta airing is now over.
Now the results.
Still a Classic example (and my favorite) of Star Trek at it’s best, where the acting and story are shown to be more important than the (dated) effects. I remember this episode vividly from when I was young, watching it on my Grandparents Zenith color TV. I still remember the NBC peacock telling me I was watching something in “living color”. This spice up of effects now makes all 3 parts equal. (The music for this episode adds that last bit of spice to the sauce, making it, to me, a perfect episode!)
The new effects are top notch, with the ship models interior lighting still being a bit off. I will always like them a bit brighter. The edits for time caused a great distaction, but having been spoiled by VHS and now DVD complete episodes, with no commercials, this is common place today, and that goes for ALL of TV to DVD shows. The new DVD sets will be a joy to behold as we will see the COMPLETE episodes.
The refurbishing idea to do this has been around for years, and many fans have attempted versions of there own. This episode has been the test for many, and it is easy to see why. The effects of the time where limited, and the old AMT kit just does not stand up to TV and DVD of today. These new effect shots work well with the story, making the action fit better with what is being said by the cast. KUDOS!
NOTE: There is a reason that Trek lives on, and it is not just the ship and environments (even with these new additions). It is the cast and the magic they bring to the parts they play, as well as a good story line.
Guest actor Mr. Windom almost steals the show from Mr. Shatner. His story of what happened to his ship and crew still stands the test of time, some Forty plus years now…
BTW: Did everyone notice the nod to the original where the Constellation “wobbles” a bit as she goes to her death, almost like the old show’s AMT model kit did? I did crack a smile at this, as well as the small rock debris breaking apart of the Constellation hull. Somebody was really happy to have been able to add that!
Thank you CBS again for giving the old girl a refurbishment that adds and does not take away.
LLAP.
WOW!! The battle makes sense - finally!! While Daren D. gets props for a faithful recreation of the original style, CBS-D has given me JUST the tool I need to hook my nephews!! This is going to blow them away and I cant wait to share it with them. New Trek fans, coming right up lol!! Okuda/Rossi - thank the Great Bird for sending you to us because this was WICKED COOL!!! YOU GUYS ROCK!! CBS-D I hope you get some time off, but not too much - Tholian Web, Immunity Syndrome and Enterprise Incident await among others lol!! WOW I am just blown away. Great to be a Trek fan!
Canonista’s comments beg the argument.
“The phaser effect hitting the “neutronium” was quite obviously MUCH better than the previous 1960’s cartoonish one”
So let’s talk 1960’s cartoonish. You know, at the time, that was enough for all of us. At that time and given the budget, that was all they could do.
First of all, are you saying that we’ve all been duped somehow by either the 1960s or the original effects team in general?
Second of all… where was the mac in YOUR pants tonight in watching this? You say that “This is an ep that needed more than subtle enhancement”.
In this poopypants, I only hear RelaCOREdom®
You bet your tender honeycomb sphinctus that I enjoyed this episode remastered. “overall good”? Dude… you scored a bowling ball with legs that you picked up at closing time is “overall good”. Makes you feel better about being ME but my point is that we are talking TAKE HOME TO MOMMY marriage kinda material with this episode. Don’t put a bag over this chick’s head and call her a one night standoff. PLEASE.
GIrls go to college to get more knowledge and boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider.
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“The Tholian Web” is going to be an outstanding episode to really showcase what CBS Digital is capable of as well.
I think stylistically it’s better that they got Doomsday out of the way first, though effects heavy, I have a sneaking suspicion the design and rendering in this episode is FAR more simplistic than say the Giant Amoeba and the “Zone of Darkness” of the “Immunity Syndrome.”
Likewise “The Ultimate Computer’ is fairly effects heavy additionally.
I think this episode bodes well for the overall approach of how CBS Digital will handle these more effects heavy episodes.
Does anyone know when we get our first upclose shot of a Klingon Battlecruiser?
I REALLY hope they get the color scheme down for this one. Purple, green, and grey, like a alien manta ray or shark.
The Klingon Battlecruiser has NEVER been done justice. I like Trials and Tribblations, as well as greg Jeins work, but that Battlecruiser sucked and in no way reflected the aethestic of the original series.
Since it’s known CBS Digital reads these forums,
guys: Klingon Battlecruiser - PURPLE secondary hull top side. Light GREY main boom, secondary hull underside, and warp nacelles MINT GREEN.
dear Josh T. ( The undiscovered wrath of SPOCK voyage the motion picture) Kirk esquire’ ™
Hey man, maybe it’s just me………
All those names in your name, I think that you lose cred. I personally get lost on your name there
keep it simple, baybee, like maybe just Josh T®
works for me, and many HOs onya mate.
best!!
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Is there any chance that you could add screenshots of Daren’s version here, just so we could easily see all 3 versions side by side?
Most impressive
Russ®,
We’re not going to foil THE DOC™ for chrissake. Maybe he’s large in the pants, maybe he’s small. DO you know what? It’s the way that you move the pencil, NOT the size.
Plus I’m not even sure if he’s done with his virgin yet.
uh huh uh huh. uh huh uh huh.
I said……………..
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WOW! It took me 48 posts before I could “mac in MY pants” on this one. It was waaaayyyyy better then I could hope for and almost, almost, make me forget about the cut dialog - which is way not mac in the pants - sorry Hitch for the theft. It just seemed to be right for tonight :-)
But seriously folks… what a hoot!!! This one really was important to me that it not be screwed up and I KNOW that once put to disc the circle will be complete and all will be right in my universe. Too f’ing bad it will be a while before it hits the stands as only the 1st season release has been announced.
It would be really cool if the full length HD versions were made available for download now (not iTuned) as in ISO files ready for burning.
Hey CBS - why can’t I pull out my credit card now and get my own uncut copy of these???
My local station here adds salt in the wound and makes my mac in the pants drop limp with the station watermark all the way through it and the lower 1/4 of the screen messed on with the running teases for other shows I have big goose egg interest in.
My one complaint. They didn’t make the Enterprise use their aft phaser while attacking the planet killer. In A Mirror Darkly established that Constitution Class ships had after phaser and I want see them use em in TOSR dammit!! Asides from that, holy s**t!! This was cool as hell!!
Actually there are four versions
CBS Digital, Daren Doc, the orginal and this early 90s effort by Digital stream (bits of which I like best)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HSYC6Wlbv8
huh?
Everyone talked about how the CBS Digital team knocked this one out of the park. For most part, I think so too. The new choreography of the ship movements and angles were great. New renderings of the ships and DDM were great.
There were 3 areas that I felt looked a bit awkward and not at ILM level yet. The first was the motion of the Enterprise as it was being sucked into the DDM. I can see what they were getting at and I think the idea was great! But it looked a tad forced, or too fast, but I liked how it is tumbling as it goes in. The way the shuttle launched in the bay before the rear doors open and pitches around and out also looked a tad awkward and not quite smooth. Finally, when the DDM blows up, it’s amazing how similar it is to Daren Doc’s. Both were also awkward as it rolls over essentially.
The paneling on the Enterprise upper saucer section was really clear this time. Not sure I agree with their decision to alternate each one, in and out instead of actual panel lines.
Overall, definitely a polish to this episode! Agreed, the drama and dialogue between Spock and Decker was spoiled by the cuts. Amazing how many cuts they do. However, here in the SF Bay Area, I noticed a higher level of commercials this week from more major companies, instead of the lower end type with questionable products.
I cannot wait to see the entire show uncut on HD DVD, and I may also buy it from iTunes.
#47
Hitch ole Boy, I’ll make a deal with you, I’ll “simplify” my user ID more to “your” apparent liking if and when you master the art of expressing thought patterns in coherent English incorporating all of the requisite and fundamental sentence structure, syntax, proper use of nouns, verbs, adjectives, appropriate parsing, as well as the contemporary lexicon, as instructed for roughly 12 years in our education system, not to mention relevant and healthy interaction with peers, support groups, parents, and co-workers as dictated by the necessity of REALITY.
That seems like a fair deal to me. Simplcity for maturity. An even trade. What say you Hitch ole boy?
Nelson®, well thought out and thank you.
Josh T®, you wabbily wascal, you….
I’m sorry that you had only 12 years, I had roughly about 16 to 17. Maybe 18, 19 with the hackey sack and chasing tail, they say that you never stop learning! I don’t judge a man by what education that is parents could afford him anyway. I’m sure that that you don’t either.
Maturity? HA… I’m the ORIGINALgangster Peter Pan. Wordiness is my forte. The fact that I stumble you on “requisite and fundamental sentence structure, syntax, proper use of nouns, verbs, adjectives, appropriate parsing, as well as the contemporary lexicon” hardens me like doomsday mech remaster. SORRY, made you think. What is this, 8th grade Engish?
I dont give a flying anything what you call yourself on the internet. I just care what they call me. AND, if they call me BACK!
best!!
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Can we stay on target?
One small gripe - would rather like to have seen the E’s deflector screens actually deflecting some of the space rubble.
Hey BIG AL® are you in full Bocephus™ mode yet or not??????
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Something - in all the criticisms of the “cheesiness” of the original 60s episodes’ effects - that everyone seems to either be forgetting, or not realizing, is that when our gods were making these shows, and they were faced with taking more time/asking for more money/making the shot better, they more than likely decided, “Hey, most people are gonna be watching this once on a fuzzily intercerpted rabbit ear antenned black and white TV (for most of the country) - with no chance to pause, rewind or otherwise get a second look at this.” There was no thought given to repeated syndication viewings, I’m sure. And before anyone starts flaming me about color TV existed back then or color was the reason Star Trek was even on (to push RCA TVs), yeah I know. But most, back then, of the country still watched black and white TVs.
Sorry, forgot my point: give the old show makers a break.
Great job all around. Only criticism: nacelles are lit up when the warp drive is said to be down on the Enterprise. And–hey–the nacelles are just as big as Daren Dochterman’s (one of the criticisms he received). I think CBS/Paramount’s rendering of the Doomsday Machine is more realistic than Daren’s, including the light beam. But not to disparage Daren, he did some great close up flyby shots of the Big E in his version, too. And I liked the light balls at the ends of the warp engines. And I liked his sparking nacelles from the damaged Constellation. It’s really not fair to compare one man against a team, regardless of how much time he had to tinker. But, yeah… CBS/Paramount really hit the ball out of the ball park on this one. Looking forward to seeing the Enterprise as a UFO in “Tomorrow is Yesterday.” But of the two CGI versions of the Enterprise, give me a brightly lit model from the original aired series anytime!!! More complex than Brown…much superior.
Jim makes a good point.
He’s a traditionalist and there is something to be said for that. I think that maybe it’s already engraved in the dvd that I paid for on VHS back in the day, but he does make a good point.
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I think all of the drive and fan energy that was arbitrarily devoted to the color of spinning nacelle dome caps for months should now be devoted and harnassed to the singular goal of insuring a proper representation and depiction of the equally iconic Klingon Battlecruiser for her Trek remastered debut.
I had to endure and suffer through post after post of commentary on how and why nacelle dome caps were off so, I think the least we can collectively do is the give the same attention and be just as vocal to the treasure that is the Jefferies designed Klingon ship.
Purple.
light grey.
Green.
Do it CBS.
Something else. I know the vast majority of the Star Trek viewership (and the guys down at CBS-D) probably LOVES video games, but I really don’t like the banking and rolling CBS Digital has the “new” Enterprise doing. Star Trek is not Star Wars. The Enterprise is supposed to be an aircraft carrier in space, not a bi-plane in a dogfight. I know they’re just catering to what they think their audience is, but I would rather see the majesty of a grand, huge monster of a ship like the Enterprise slowly turn and rumble by rather than all these bank shots I’ve been seeing. I know, I know. They trying to make “boring old Star Trek” exciting to 20-somethings. It’s just… You know?
They are damned if they do and damned if they dont Jim.
Here in Atlanta, when it aired between 2 AM and 3 AM, right as the Planetkiller was destroyed, a test of the Emergency Broadcast System came on over the graphics. I thought it was going to announce that a Planetkiller had just been detected entering Earth orbit.
Are there any other episodes where we see two redshirts guarding the turbolift on the bridge?
Jim, as much as I liked what I saw tonite and thought they did an awesome job, I hear ya. When they make these huge ships whiz around like that, they wind up subjectively looking much smaller than they are supposed to be.
69. planettom
Yeah, Mirror, Mirror comes to mind.
My enthusiasm has now been dampened because of the return of a certain individual posting what I consider to be unacceptable comments here again. Yes, I suppose I can choose to not read those posts if I wish, but that doesn’t really work. Very upsetting to see that stuff back. And I suppose I will be the one criticized for not being accepting of someone’s differences, but so be it. How anyone can defend that sort of stuff is beyond me, but I’ve seen it before. I know I am not a major contributor to any of this, but I did enjoy reading most of the comments. I don’t feel I can do that anymore for awhile.
What the hell does
“mac in the pants” mean btw…?!?!
Mac like as in Macintosh? Like ipod? Big schlong?
It looks like CBS-D really outdid themselves on this one. I look forward to seeing it on the big screen, although the editing for commercials is a huge annoyance. At any rate, my only wish is that there were greater consistency in CBS-D’s work - why can’t they all look this good? Actually, I have a second wish - Apple needs to make all the remastered eps available (uncut) on iTunes.
#67 - You make a good point, but I have to say I like seeing a different approach. Also, if CBS-D were striving for a more ‘realistic’ look, it would make sense to show the ship as being a bit more maneuverable. After all, it may be the size of an aircraft carrier, but it obviously isn’t designed to move like one. One of my favorite “this-doesn’t-quite-work” moments from Trek is in “Elaan of Troyius” when Kirk tells Sulu the game plan is to suddenly “pivot at warp 2″ on the Klingon ship; then, when he actually gives the order to go to warp, cut to the Big E doing a slow turn like your grandmother trying to parallel park her old Caddy.
It’s great to be able to see 2 versions side-by-side and observe the difference in styles. I wonder what approach they’ll take to STXI?
Absolutely awesome … beautiful work … stayed up into the wee hours of the night here in Cincinnati to watch it.
Yes … some of the rolls were a little strange, but overall it was really tremendous work …
In the shot from above in both of the new versions you can see the Utah shaped markings on the top of the E’s saucer near the impulse engines, but on the original there’s no sign of those markings. Please explain.
My take: Nyaah. Adequate but nowhere near as cool as Dochterman’s stuff, which had me salivating. The CBS-Digital output has a kind of clinical dullness to it. Other criticisms: The asteroids looked like half-rendered fortune cookies. The asteroid hitting the hull of the Constellation is ridiculous — they lock themselves into the original soundtrack, so there’s no sound effect. The quiet space effect is therefore inconsistent with all 700+ episodes of Star Trek. The beaming in this episode looked washed out; couldn’t they have color corrected it? The planet killer itself looked cartoony. Anyone agree?
I for one thought the asteroid hitting the dead Constellation was a great touch and a glimpse of fantastic possibilities for STXI.
#76 - I think it must be the lighting in the original shot, because I thought those markings were always there.
#76 - check out the screencap from trekcore.com - you can just barely see the markings on the original:
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=60&pos=101
But the ponderous moves of an aircraft carrier are surely caused by the resistance of water? In a vacuum there’d be nothing to stop it swerving near instantly if there was sufficient propulsion in that direction, and given that we know that starships have an inertia-less drive, there’s no momentum to worry about. I think the ship looks more realistic like this, not least because it gives it movement in three dimensions, not two. The ponderous moves we saw in the original was a function of the VFX of the time.
Ok, so much to comment on:
Daren’s Enterprise (esp close up) is dead on. However… CBS Digital is taking on much more ambitious and interesting effects shots… I like it, I love it, I want some more of it… Would love to marry the two together somehow.
Haven’t seen CDS TDM on TV yet as it doesn’t air til tonight here in NYC, but the effects reels are very promising. I have to agree though with a previous poster that it doesn’t live up to the standards of regular sci-fi weekly’s like Voyager or Enterprise, or the new BSG. They have (had) to pump out new episodes weekly as well, so it must be mostly a budget issue.
The constant banking of the Enterprise bothers me a bit too. Typically the Enterprise should be moving in straight lines. The cameras should provide us cool angles on the Big E, not the other way around. My favorite banking shots come in two places. Some of you may remember a movie teaser poster for TMP back in 78 or 79. It was a rendering of the Big E banking and coming towards you. Was very cool.
http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:STTMP_magazine_advertisement.jpg
The next was from original BSG saga of a starworld, with the huge Galactica banking away from the battle. Surprisingly I couldn’t find the shot online.
Just watched the Digistream version of TDM and have to admit I’m mightly impressed. It’s a very interesting take, and has a cool opening credits scene too!
Finally, The editing is god awful, but let’s remember, CBS Digital has nothing to do with that. Eventually these will be released in full, hopefully with much needed effects tweaks and updates.
Doug
#82: I will eat my copy of the Star Trek Chronology, page by page, if the eps released on DVD have *any* effects tweaks and/or updates. That’s how much faith I have in that.
Everything was GREAT! except all the blathering going on on these posts…
Hitch, in the words of Jack Walsh “Just Shut The Fu*k up”
Just let it go and get a life, one comment is fine, 10+ is just ridiculous…
i love this episode…but sometimes, decker kinda sounded like don knotts when he was freakin out in the beginin…a bit over the top, and that was kind of distracting to me…but i love this ep. though.
re 83
not sure i follow you. you’re happy with everything cbs digital has done from start to finish?
I think they’ve improved dramatically over time and would like them to go back to the eps that didn’t get their best effort before releasing to dvd. It’s been a pretty mutually agreed upon theme in these threads…
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“The Revenge Of The Hitch”: People, relax! Hitch is just happy and excited. Most all of us are/were. Cut him a break, please? He often makes very good points if you read past “the mac” comments. Doomsday rocked!
Why on earth (pun intended) should the E move in a straight line? Celestially speaking most strange
Best episode ever!
I will only watch it 3 more times!!!
Today!
I just want to add that CBS-D did an INCREDIBLE job on this episode…. absolute incredible.
“CBS-D hits grand slam!!” is the headline here. I can’t wait for this episode to be posted on I-tunes… I saw it last night and was riveted… if these effects had been around in the 60’s… this show would have NEVER been cancelled.
The coolest shot for me was when kirk fired up the Constellation viewing screen and saw the E engaging the DDM… that kicked arse!! It made Kirk’s reaction much more believable than ever before.
I can’t wait for Immunity Syndrome. Rock on CBS-D.
#86: In response to your question… I’ve been happy with maybe 2 out of 20 eps that CBS-D has worked on. I’ll cite “The Menagerie-Part I” as an example of a show that impressed me, despite some lackluster shuttecraft shots. On the other hand, “Where No Man Has Gone Before” is an example of their time constraints, or incompetence, whatever you want to call it. What I meant in my previous post is this: I highly doubt that they will revisit the previous episodes for fixes and tweaks prior to a DVD release. The intent is there, but more than likely they will still be under the gun and incapable of locking down the shows proper.
CBS Video: Great job, guys. All first season episodes are complete and we can start on the DVDs.
CBS Digital: There’s some tweaks we’d like to do before that happens. We still need to insert the new Enterprise model into those early shows and discuss some new additions in response to the fans’ feedback.
CBS Video: Whaat?! These shows look great. You guys are too hard on yourselves. People will buy ‘em and we’re ready to press the discs. Besides, we need it on the shelves for Christmas — no time. The first season’s locked and we need you to complete the rest of the series.
You read it first here.
I wish they would have shown the Enterprise firing into the maw of the planet killer—at least one time! It makes no sense that they would try to blast through the hard surface given that it was impossible. And don’t give me any arguments about how Decker was crazy.
The book version of this episode handles this issue very nicely and they do actually fire into the maw of the planet killer.
The quality of the video is very dark and blurry.Or it me?
Just watched it again….it’s like I’ve been eating this delicous, crisp and tender, home-made, chicken fried steak for all these years and suddenly had the best, artery thickening, tasty, home-made by grandma, cream gravy poured all over it. I’ve watched it twice now in so many days and can’t wait for XBOX 360 to make this available in HD. When it does, I’ll be sitting at the table again, fork in hand, ready for another serving. Hat’s off to all involved in the major ass-kicking that this episode delivers. Well done!
Loved the episode. It was well worth the wait. Doomsday Machine has always been my favorite episode. The CGI effects has really made it eye candy. Congrats go out to CBS and their digital team. One thought that always bothered me. In the original story, why didn’t the Enterprise ever fire photon torpedoes into the DDM? Oh well. Keep up the good work CBS.
#24 - “we are all slaves to the poontana, and chicks”
Not all of us are slaves, Hitch. Some of us are slaves to… the parts that can’t be found on women. (did I just post that out in public?)
Excellent work, CBS. Even the DDM itself looked better in the actual episode than in the online clips.
CBS knocked this one outtathepark!!!!
However, I like BOTH Daren’s vision and CBS’s….all excellent.
TTM
what the heck does “mac in the pants” mean? Seems to be some sort of in joke… I don’t get it.
I agree with whomever said it would be great to see the shots all side by side from the 4 versions to compare. I saw on youtube a side by side comparison of trouble with tribbles and the DS9 trials and tribbilations… that was super cool. Anyone else see that?
#40 - The affiliates are NOT cutting. Episodes are fed by satellite from CBS/Paramount TO the local affiliates. They are not sending full uncut episodes. They are sending 43 minute edits. And if you go back to the beginning of this project, the folks in charge said they are working on three or four different versions of each episode. The full uncut for 4:3. The full uncut with 16:9 effects. The 43 minute edits of 4:3 and so on. CBS/Paramount makes the edits.
Their contract is basically allowing the local stations to air these episodes for free. Paramount takes 1/2 of of the available air time and sell commercial time to advertisers. The remaining air time is given to the local affiliates to sell so the show is aired in each market at a profit with no money spent to acquire permission to air it.
Well at the risk of being a lone voice in the wilderness, I must admit to meing disappointed by this episode.
I suspect a lot has to do with the syndication edit of the show (I need to watch the original epsiode again), although I still remain unimpressed by the surface texture of the Doomsday Machine. And the launch of Decker’s shuttlecraft was almost comical. The death of the machine was anticlimactic too, although it was similar to the original.
Still, there were a lot of effects in the show that were great… so if everyone else loved it… then that’s all that matters. ;-)
No one has commented on the very motion picture like camera pan during Constellations approach to the Planet Killer, very effective and a Star Trek special effects shot first.
I saw it last night and I must say I was impressed. They used new views of the Enterprise and used a little of realistic physics during the tractor beam pull. Very well done.
The Enterprise looks like it has more depth and realism. I just loved it all!
The Digital Stream Enterprise and Constellation looks awesome. The best IMO. But I believe they spent so much time on the Enterprise that they didn’t have enough time for the other effects.
I see Hitch is Back making up for his ban on the site with 30 entries to catch back up …lol…welcome back mac
Downsides: I felt that the shuttlecraft launch sequence was horrible. Once the shuttle was away, it was fine, but while it was in the hangar bay it was downright awful.
There are some of the SFX battle scenes where things didn’t seem quite coordinated right… where the Enterprise would be slightly closer earlier rather than later.
Upsides: The battle was interesting. Reverse angle on the view was cool. The Constellation looked quite impressive.
Rob+
After thinking it over, it should not be me who no longer visits or posts on this site, it is Hitch. There is no call for that kind of filth in this type of discussion forum. Will the rest of you who feel this way please speak up and let it be known. I apologize that this is off the topic, but I see no other way of eliminating that filth from continuing to be delivered on this site. I don’t care if there may be an occasional grain of intelligent comment contained within his posts or that he is “just excited”. I don’t care if some people consider him a comedian. I am speaking up because it is ruining the experience of coming to this site for me. And I am quite sure I am not alone in this feeling. I fully realize that nothing will probably change because of my comments, and that I may be chastised for not being sensitive to his ‘freedom of expression’, but now I have said it. Put an end to that stuff. Please.
Jesus Christ!!!!! Holy F-ing Sh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That may be the second coolest personal viewing of Trek FX ever (The first will always be TMP) My god - you all realize this is but a dicktease of what we will be treated to in the movie!!!!! I hit my dvr pause twenty times. Damn are we fortunate!!!! Bravo to the effects team!!!!! Bravo also to Daren for his excellent effort. I still wanna see some aft phasers (not a gripe just a future hope) We also saw how crisp they can redue the viewscreen while Kirk walked right in front of it. Nice touch!!!!! Let’s hope we get a couple redone overconsole screens for the dvd. I am sooooooo blown away!!
Wow what a gush fest! Yeah, great effects, but some nits - like when the E comes across the top(?) of DDM to distract it away from Kirk in the Constellation - the phaser blasts are out of perspective and the beams are too wide.
Wonderful work CBS-D :) I certainly hope you will awarded the time and funding to maintain this level of quality. Great work!!!
#43…
I agree with you on some of the subtle points and nods to the original episode. The wobble of the Constellation, mirroring the old VFX with the model kit, was nice. And, I really loved the smashed up planet bits hitting the hull of the Constellation and breaking apart. Nicely done episode.
I know this was the one everyone was waiting for, but I also want to see some of the upcoming and future eps to see how some other VFX are tackled. For instance, the slingshot effect for “Tomorrow is Yesterday”, the attack fleet in “Ultimate Computer” and the various shots in “Tholian Web” ( I also want to see how Abe Lincoln in space appears in “Savage Curtain”… he he he).
Good show, all around. Kudos to the CBS team!
One nit from me too… I think there was one shot of the E that was mirrored. The NCC 1701 appears backwards in one shot! Anyone else catch that?
Doug:
I like that TMP magazine advertisement too. You might be interested in this eBay listing for the same in (smallish) poster form:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230076837123&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013
I bought one and it was pristine except for some packaging damage (edge crunched when the shipping tube was folded in). The seller was totally cool about it and responsive and is sending a replacement.
A very cool ad which actually features the Phase II Enterprise (with new nacelles but old dish, etc.).
I like the way that the hangar deck was dark when Decker stole the shuttle, suggesting that no one was on duty there. I could see him overpowering a guard or two, but not an entire operating crew.
With all the interest in Doomsday, is there any news on next week’s Amok Time?
the fx in this episode rate right up there with startrek 2 the wrath of khan. just incredable effects and i just can’t wait to see what they do with the episode tommorow is yesterday. just think of what we will see when a u.s airforce jet goes after the enterprise. now that will be cool.
Loved it. Now the nitpicking… Just one, really. Throughout TOS, E takes damage yet we never see it. I this case, Lt. Not-Uhura says decks four and five have interhull damage. Shouldn’t that leave a mark? A scortch? Something? E was a heavy cruiser before they changed it to Starship. Shouldn’t she be able to get her makeup messed up a bit? We also never see the anti-proton beam actually hitting the E. Its width should be several times the diameter of the E.
Anyway, nice time at the tv last night at 2:05am Atlanta time. (Howdy, Awdraper! WSB SUCKS!!)
ps 8- There’s a blooper real of Sulu’s reaction. They put naked ladies swimming underwater on the big screen. Come to think of it, George probably would have the same puzzled look.
I forgot to mention one thing in my post, one of the virtues of Daren Doc’s take on TDM was a slavish adherence to the look of the original. The way the ship is lit and colored and fly by motions. The use of colored lighting on the debris field was a real plus and I like that feel. The Yonada CGI could have benefitted from that.
It’s also a hindrence to be so slavish. I like a lot of the new POV shots in the CBS version and new motions of the ships and DDM. As someone above already mentioned, putting the two together would be cool. But it is a style difference, Daren Doc is more stylistic, CBS-D is going for a more realistic look. Both are valid and YMMV.
Commodore - good catch on the hangar deck - there were nice little touches through the FX in the show - including the ships listing while in the throws of the DDM, the Constellation “wobble” etc. It looks like the CBS-D team had fun with this one.
Re: 106 and Hitch1969, as per Stanky McFibberich’s post:
I’m with you. Maybe we’ll be outshouted together. I also find my pleasure in viewing this site diminished by Hitch’s postings, although honestly I intend to keep coming because the site is so good. But Hitch’s posting’s are, in my opinion, adolescent and insulting, with flashes of just plain meanness. Yes, they bother me too.
The problem, in my guess, is the more attention (even negative attention) is given, the more it will probaby fuel a corresponding, and of course negative, reaction from Hitch, which I think is part of the intent. Also, since that is not our thing, we are no match for such a master of provocative and negative skills, nor do we want to be. Thus it is a losing battle; it probably will draw only more of the kind of postings we want to eliminate in a reverse way of what we want (Like the use of energy in the Immunity Syndrome). So there is an unpleasant dilemma, to speak up and get the reaction, or say nothing and let it continue unchallenged?
We can only request that the people running the site take action in preserving it as a place of respect and thoughtfulness. I want this place to be a pleasant site, and I agree with your sentiments, and that if nobody says anything it will inevitably be viewed by the people running the site as perfectly ok with its readers. At least for you and I, and perhaps others, it is not ok. It is unnecesary and unpleasant.
wobble of the constellation: in the new version it has a noticeably awkward yaw, which was just great, because it really reinforced the idea that one guy, kirk, is piloting the starship alone. and he’s using a piloting system he’s totally unaccostomed to (warp controls wired into impulse engines). just flying by the seat of his pants!
Excellent job by the CBS Digital TEAM. Enjoyed the imaginative variations and extra details. Thanks for your efforts. :)
I especially like the way CBS-D made the Constellation look like it was having trouble just keeping straight. Way to keep continuity and believability, CBS-D!
re 112
Thanks Joe, I took your advice and picked up. d
Wow I am watching it over and over again on my dvr… Multiple trekgasms… Arllhhhhhh droooool….
incredible!…cant wait for the hi-def dvd…with the painfully absent “spock-decker”.. standoff, that was mostly cut out here….restored back!
otherwise A+!
awsome fx here…better than i prayed for!
;-)
I’m sorry, but I have to yield to the dark side and say that I’m glad to have hitch back here.
I dunno what it is, exactly - other than that it would be a shame were there no one to proclaim CBS-D’s version of “The Doomsday Machine” to be mac in the pants as it were.
I’ ve grown accustomed to his mac. ;)
Magnificent job, CBS-D!! It aired at 7pm here in Omaha. I was floored..from the scene where a chunk of space rock hits the wrecked Constellation’s upper saucer section to the scene when the big E is skimming along the side of the planet killer and firing phasers into its side..remarkable and thrilling!! You guys did it!!
Having watched Trek for 40 years and cringing when the obviously chewed on by somebody’s dog AMT model appears on the screen at the episode’s conclusion, I am delighted to see the enhanced conclusion..which is exactly as it should be!!
I can’t praise it enough-this is the best yet job by CBS-D. Outstanding!!
That said, I must concur with Stanky McFibberich’s and Gary Seven’s posts concerning Hitch.
It would appear that Hitch is perhaps following the tradition of Hunter S. Thompson. Yes, he can fire off rebuttals and retorts like the big E fires phasers and photon torpedoes.
But modesty and self-restraint are a plus on a public forum like this.
You know, CBS-D not only reworked the exterior shots, but some of them were done from the standpoint of the music! Completely redesigned camera angles of the ships moved in synch with the wonderful music cues from those shots. The ships soared in a dramatic fashion in time with the music. Very artistic! When the little rock hits the Constellation the music matched, as well with other shots.
This really was so enjoyable to see. The ships looked great, like models that were filmed with advanced techniques in the 60’s. I finally got to see lots of shots of the Enterprise overhead, which we didn’t see all that much originally.
So nice, what a great upgrade to the episode. I applaud the people who put this together, stand up and take a well deserved bow!
Let’s cue up the “Amok Time” fight music and have the pro- and anti- Hitch forces duke it out with lirpa and ahn-woon.
Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!
OK - so when are these coming out on Blu-Ray and/or DVD? This episode pushed me off the fence on buying a new HiDef DVD player. That CBS team hit the mother of all grands slams with this one.
I really enjoyed the wobble effect put on the Constellation as it approached the DDM… CBS-D payed homage to the weird movements of the original plastic model and it’s shaky warp braces.
Now it’s time for serious consideration about re-casting and re-launching the original crew and remake DDM.
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This episode rocks!!! The team at CBS-D did a superb job updating the SFX for DDM and we can only hope they can continue to improve the quality of their work as they move forward with more episodes. Loved all the new angles of the ships. There is one particular shot of the Enterprise moving towards the left side of the screen that is a motion picture feel to it. Very impressive. I only have one criticism…they need to be consistent with the impulse engine glow. The ship was moving under impulse power when the shuttle launched, yet the impulse engines were off. I know they are trying to pay respect to the way it looked originally but this is one aspect of the visuals that would be nice to see changed consistently.
Great job CBS-D!
Some have complained about the shuttlecraft launch - it looks like CBS-D was trying to convey how fast Decker was trying to leave the ship - he took off before the craft was facing the bay doors and it understandably was off kilter, because of that. And, Decker was lucky he didn’t smash into the opening bay doors - I think it actually added some dramatic impact to the scene. A shot of Decker waiting patiently until the shuttlecraft was completely turned around would not have made as much sense.
Fantastic stuff, I can’t wait to see it at 3AM tomorrow!
My only complaint is that the phaser blasts looked off. Otherwise, it’s a terrific job by CBS-D. Congratulations to the entire production for pulling off a great show.
Terrific work from everyone at CBS Digital! I was very, very impressed. You folks made my day!
Joe, happy
126. Dennis Bailey - February 11, 2007
“I’m sorry, but I have to yield to the dark side and say that I’m glad to have hitch back here.”
Whether done jokingly or not, I don’t see how anyone can defend Hitch’s promotion of promiscuity or his use of other offensive terms on this public board. It’s one thing for a person to be sitting around his basement with his like-minded buddies and tossing out comments. It’s another to be using vulgarity and suggestiveness where others who don’t appreciate that are going to be subjected to it. I am not referring only to the comments made on this particular thread, but also those from before his recent absence. There has got to be another place where an indivdual such as he can ‘express himself’ in that manner. This is not an appropriate place for that. I also do not care for the allowance of the F word and the like by other to be used here, either. Totally out of place on a public forum. There are ways of expressing enthusiasm without being perverse in your language. Keep it out of here, please.
Look, I apologize to anyone who I’ve hurt here with my text on the e-screen. That wasn’t my intention. I was just really really excited.
I will take note and try to appeal more to the most conservative denominator. I appreciate your feedback. It means alot to me; ergo, you mean alot to me as well. Who loves ya baby?
best!!
=h=
This was great fun to watch. CBS Digital has blown me away with this episode. I absolutley cannot wait to get this on DVD. The creativity and willingness to match the dialogue on screen was very apparent in the remaster. The pan shot of the Constellation when it was approaching the planet killer was very effective. CBS seamlessly combined the two shots in the original and made it one visually aweome shot. I also loved it when Kirk turns on the viewscreen to see the Enterprise firing on the Doomday machine.
Thank you CBS-Digital!!
Anthony: I concur with Stanky (72, 106) Gary 7 (119), and mrregular (127). Believe it or not, there are Christian Star Trek fans, and we are quite offended by people like hitch using foul language - especially when they take the Lord’s name in vain. Additionally, there are obviously people that are offended by that type of language even if they aren’t Christians. Picardsucks (107) did the same thing. Respectfully, I ask that you remove these posts. Mature adults should be able to communicate without foul language, bathroom humor, etc. You have a great site, and I believe people like hitch degrade it. Will you please do something about it? Thanks.
Here in Phoenix, DDM will be on in 2 hours - can’t wait. btw, I met William Windom once at the LA County Fair. Of course, he’s been in a zillion things, but while chatting with him he seemed pleased that I remembered him from the TV series My World and Welcome To It. (Kind of gives you a hint on my age.) It’s kind of funny reading posts here from people that weren’t even born when Trek first appeared on TV. I was 13 when it first started, and I distinctly remember talking my parents into letting me watch the very first episode - been a fan ever since.
Recently picked up a John Williams CD, occurred to me after watching this ep his Jaws theme is very similar to Sol Kaplan’s. Researched on net and others have noticed too. Both probably got it from classical examples of evil in music. Same idea as Williams using elements of Holst’s The Planets for Star Wars.
Oh yeah, and the new CGI effects were fantastic, bravo CBS!
I have to agree with that assessment of the Shuttle craft launch needed some work. Its like watching the Star Wars X-wing special edition launches. For Star Wars OK…For Star Trek it doesn’t look right. The bright spot was the rendering done for that shot. Beautiful but I dont see Captains much less Obsessed Commodore’s acting as fighter pilots without smacking into the wall.
Its a small criticism that really is a small part of the rest of the effects from this episode. The small battle battle between the Enterprise and the Doomsday machine was done really well. The effects in this particular episode added to the story. As a fan you can get really caught up with it. I was really impressed with the shots and it added a theatrical quality to the story. I feel so far this has been the best outing for CBS Digital.. Their Imagination is almost endless what these guys can do. ….I would be intrested in what shot StarTrek.com uses for their wallpaper of the Doomsday Machine remastered.(of course its a big if) .They have so many good shots they can use.
What do you think of CBS-D lighting the back of the shuttle’s “impulse” engines?
#139
John Williams also employed a lot of Wagner in Star Wars too. It’s all derivative, but the brilliance with Williams are the arragements he comes up with. If you listen to the Shark Cage Fugue on the Jaws score, you will see what I am talking about. And arguably Williams best score, The Empire Strikes Back, is dripping with inventiveness.
For my money, Williams in his prime is the best of all time in terms of film music.
CBS-D EFX A+.
Creative decisions(Okuda & Co.) A-.
Need for further improvement - yes. E. escaping DDM’s maw should be a close-up of Kirk’s view screen. The wide shot with the control room is too small for the drama the scene entails. First shot of shuttle/DDM needs more distance from each other. Last shot with credits needs to have the planet killer in background as E. moves away. Maybe a couple of other shots showing a closer ratio of E./Constellation/DDM. But, a great job nonetheless. Unfortunate that more time wasn’t devoted to Special EFX originally as this Remastered version could use more EFX time as well.
My esteemed editorialists have stated pretty much all the pros and cons of the episode (I loved it!!!). But my comment/question is will the DVD of these episodes go even longer with space battle FX ,or keep the episodes truer to the original broadcast length?
In this episode, I realize the FX shots were lengthened, but, at least to me, they could have “lingered” even longer. I hope when the DVD does come out, CBS would consider, when appropriate, letting the Big E have more camera time.
^60. Re: deflectors
I thought it was cool to see the ship maneuver a bit as Sulu dodged the asteroids. I think the navigational deflector’s job is to clear away particles too small to see or avoid, especially when the ship is moving much faster and hitting even the tiniest particles would release devastating energy. Moving big rocks would seem to be a job for the tractor beam, and it’s probably more efficient to drive around them.
I’ve not seen the episode yet, but the FX reel has me giddy with anticipation! This will really be something to watch.
Personally, I liked the movements of the ships. It’s nice to see them tilting off-axis evey now and then and even tumbling a bit. As long as their movements are coordinated with their mass and they aren’t spinning and racing around like an X-Wing fighters, I’m cool with it.
I thought the shuttle launch shot was great. It lended a real imperative feel to the scene, like Decker was really trying to get off the ship before anyone could stop him.
My only nit to pick is the phaser strikes off the hull of the DDM. I would have liked to see something more there, like the beam scattering uselessly, instead of just being absorbed.
Overall, this looks to be CBS Digital’s best work yet!
RE: Flamboyant Posters. Hitch’s posts may not be everyone’s cup of tea. To be honest, I’m often flabbergasted by them. But I know there is an intelligent person buried in all that bewildering net-speak somewhere. I’ll take his pledge to become more restrained and intelligable at face value.
Picardsucks is another matter entirely. His use of the phrase “My god - you all realize this is but a d*cktease of what we will be treated to in the movie!!!!!” (editing mine) is way out of line. It could have been said just as effectively without the adolescent sexual context. Enthusiasm is one thing; immaturity is quite another. Grow up.
Of course, there’s an easy way to resolve this for every person who posts here. This site isn’t “Survivor: Star Trek.” No one should be voted off for expressing themselves, even if they do it poorly. If someone’s posts regularly offend or upset you, simply scroll past it. Don’t read it. Don’t respond to it. Ignore it. If enough people people feel the same way, the offending poster will likely disappear because they aren’t receiving the attention they seem to crave so badly.
So, what’s on next week?
#133 roebeet — I agree about the shuttle launch. Decker knew that they’d slam the doors shut as soon as they realized what was happening, so he basically tried to blow through the opening as soon as it was big enough for a shuttle to (barely) fit through. Looked great, IMO.
re: hitch. I’m with Bailey on this one. I find hitch to be essentially harmless (or mostly harmless), and I admit that I do enjoy the bizarre and over-the-top faux-hipster persona. It’s a charicature, and (to me) an amusing one. It’d be a pity to see someone banned. It’s fairly easy to skip his posts — I know that’s a cliche, but it sums up my attitude toward posts or posters that I don’t like.
Amending my deflector comment… of course the navigational deflector DOES move big rocks when the ship is at warp, but it pushes out far ahead of the ship where only a tiny change in momentum is needed to avoid a collision. This is sort of shown in TMP when they initially try to use the navigational deflector in the wormhole while the asteroid is still far away, but they’re inoperative. Close to the debris, as in “TDM”, evasive driving is more efficient, although the navigational deflector was surely still working to handle the smaller bits of the debris and keep the Enterprise’s paint and wax unblemished.
143 - Take the Jaws main theme, feed it a tub of downers and you’ll have “Soldiers on the Ice” from Prokofiev’s Lt. Kije Suite. (You know the Troika Bells from this suite as a Christmas song.)
I love the music in this episode. It’s so on the money.
139. Mark
Cool…I am also a Christian Trek fan in Phoenix, 5 minutes to go until showtime! Gettin’ antsy.
I also agree about the language use by a few here, it’s really lame and inconsiderate. Perhaps it’s time for the admins to implement a filter, unfortunately.
There’s no harm done with Hitch. And as someone mentioned, if his past posts have offended you, it’s fair to assume all his posts will offend you and you should just skip them. I find them entertaining in small doses and while a little hitch goes a long way, the last thing I want is someone playing “forum watchdog”, acting in “my” best interest. I’m quite capable of determining which posts I choose to read and which ones I wish to skip. It takes all kinds, as they say, that’s life… people need to lighten up about offensive posts and instead, savor the glory and goodness that IS “The Doomsday Machine”. It came and it conquered. Life is good.
that is enough about one poster. One thing I dont like is when a poster becomes the subject of threads.
this is about TOSR Doomsday
#153 Anthony: “One thing I dont like is when a poster becomes the subject of threads.”
The immature poster made himself the subject of the thread by his behavior. As administrator, are you going to do anything about it?
Speaking about TOS(R) Doomsday…
One of the nice touches, in an ep filled with nice touches (the Connie’s impulse engines throttling-up, was another), was the scene where the E is being tractored into the DDM.
I still think that the (R) effect for the main phasers doesn’t convey the same ‘oomph’ as the effect in “ye olden dayes”, but, actually including the shot from the Constellation was a nice addition.
Was it just me, or (ducking) did the nacelle caps (well, what was left of one of them) on the Constellation look ‘different’ — a little more extended in the fore-aft plane than the “E”s? NO FIGHTING, NOW!
154 Mark
Exactly what I was about to say.
I would be happy to talk about Doomsday Machine in a Doomsday Machine thread, but I do not believe in this ‘anything goes’ self-expression.
I kind of resent being taken to task for trying to get something done about this, since there is really no other way to bring it to attention than to post about it.
Hitch posted an apology above. I thank him for that and hopefully he will censor the vulgarities on his own, but I think if there are groundrules about criticizing other people’s posts, it is reasonable to have some about vulgar and suggestive content.
I will now be silent about this, since that was what was asked, and I hope the point has been taken seriously.
Doomsday Machine was great. Just watched it again.
156 Stanky
I agree completely. I didn’t catch hitch’s apology above (funnily enough, I saw his name and skipped over that post.) Time will tell….I am not optimistic, but we shall see. It would be nice to be proved wrong on this one.
Your statement, “I think if there are groundrules about criticizing other people’s posts, it is reasonable to have some about vulgar and suggestive content” is certainly true. We have now asked Anthony, let’s see what he says. And I just saw DDM for the first time - it was great! But I still wish the Enterprise was white, not gray.
155. FlyingTigress
I noticed the nacelles looking different as well…perhaps to distinguish it slightly from other ships? Different class, maybe?
Just finished watching it here in Phoenix and am now picking my jaw up off of the floor. That was freakin’ EPIC. I also applaud DD’s efforts.
I have to agree. The Constellation’s starboard nacelle cap was HUGE!
Wassup wit dat?
I still think added sound FX would’ve better sold the shuttlecraft liftoff but so far they’re not altering those at all. I also would have preferred to see the external shot of the liftoff from a higher angle where we could see farther into the bay when the shuttle left. But again, maybe in the movie.
And even though it’s grey, that shot of the Enterprise slowly passing before Decker steals the shuttlecraft is THE beauty shot of the series so far.
I always sort of saw the deflector as operating as in the scene in the title sequence of Voyager in which it is clear some sort of “pressor” field in front of the ship moves stuff out of the way. It would have been nice to have seen just little of that, a sort of bow wave of rubble in front of and to the side of the E.
Also - did any of the rocks actually go into the DDM in the shot where we see it side on and rocks flowing past? Should have - I thought it sucked them in for fuel.
This one is easily the best CBS Digital has done so far. Absolutely excellent!!!
well i think the shuttle was a good touch. the way it was launched was right on the money. decker was totaly out of it and well he did what any one in his position would do. the whole episode was just done wonderfully. i realy do believe the fx was right up there with the wrath of khan and better then anything done in any of the other startrek shows.
#160 — I thought it should have swallowed up the rubble too, but I watched carefully, somehow all those little metors, etc. go past it but not into it.
Unbelievable!!! Darren D’s looked like trash compared to the greatness that was this weekend’s episode…
GOOD JOB CBS!!!!
MISSING SHOT?
We got the preview image a few days ago; a nice closeup on the starboard side of the Constellation:
http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/doomsday/constsideremasteredlarge.jpg
But I don’t remember seeing it in the episode. Perhaps a syndication edit, or was the image just a bit of candy for us fans?
it would have been nice to see the ddm eat up some rubble but all in all this simply was the best fx i have seen. can’t wait to see what they have in store for us nect week. im also looking forward to tommorow is yesterday and specter of the gun and the deadly years and so on.
Mark …post 157.who was it?Forrest Gump.Who when pondering the importance of manners said something like.Good manners are a way of showing someone respect.I’ve dealt with alot of retarded people who have the common sense and respect that puts us all to shame(in a good way).Our society as a whole could probably stop for a while and think about what they want to say in an intelligent,civil manner.If you don’t.it all tends to break down in dysfunctional rancor.
165:
I think there were several spots in which FX were part of syndication cuts. One that I noticed was near the end as Constellation approached the machine, the music jumped a bit, and I recalled a longer aft view of the Constellation in the original. Maybe we will see some new shots in the uncut version. There was definitely another one early on in which the E was simply moving forward with that repeated opening musical cue.
If you’re interested in Sol Kaplan’s music from The DDM there’s a pretty good set of mp3 samples here
http://www.startreksoundtracks.com/sts-tos2-doomsday.html
165:
There’s a website:
http://www.voyager.cz/tos/epizody/36doomsdaymachinetrans.htm
where someone typed all the dialog to this (an other episodes). This is one way to tell if dialog is replaced with ads for [fill in useless product/service here].
I meant 168! Sorry 165 for the confusion
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