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		<title>By: Long Overdue Post &#171; Dan Taylor Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Long Overdue Post &#171; Dan Taylor Blog</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott.

The Chekov thing never really bugged me. It&#039;s made clear on several occasions via dialogue in TOS that Chekov was on board the Enterprise during season one, just not seen.

One example, IIRC, is Kirk&#039;s second use of the Corbomite bluff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott.</p>
<p>The Chekov thing never really bugged me. It&#8217;s made clear on several occasions via dialogue in TOS that Chekov was on board the Enterprise during season one, just not seen.</p>
<p>One example, IIRC, is Kirk&#8217;s second use of the Corbomite bluff!</p>
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		<title>By: billy don't be a hiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>billy don't be a hiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only time my undies got bunched over &quot;canon&quot; was the first season or so of &quot;Enterprise&quot;, when there was a lot of speculation that Misters Berman and Braga were going to take the opportunity presented by their Temporal Cold War to essentially write aspects of the original series out of its own history. I make no bones in saying that the original series is the one that rings my chimes the most, and the idea of it being pushed even further out of its own internal history pissed me off. But beyond that, I really don&#039;t care, and once it became clear that the most recent series was a doomed enterprise, that ceased to matter to me anyway. As far as comics, novels, whatever goes, if its good, I like it. If it isn&#039;t good, then it doesn&#039;t matter. Whether or not its &#039;canon&#039; is really irrelevent. The one area of the &#039;canon argument&#039; where I can sympathize with people is when it comes to the &quot;relaunches&quot; that the novels are doing with DS9 and the other series. There&#039;s very little chance of any of those properties seeing live action &quot;if its on screen it counts&quot; continuations, so I can understand fans wanting to read about what &quot;really&quot; happened to their heroes with some sense that what their reading &quot;counts&quot;, as opposed to be the fancy of a novelist that will be contradicted in the next or subsequent novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time my undies got bunched over &#8220;canon&#8221; was the first season or so of &#8220;Enterprise&#8221;, when there was a lot of speculation that Misters Berman and Braga were going to take the opportunity presented by their Temporal Cold War to essentially write aspects of the original series out of its own history. I make no bones in saying that the original series is the one that rings my chimes the most, and the idea of it being pushed even further out of its own internal history pissed me off. But beyond that, I really don&#8217;t care, and once it became clear that the most recent series was a doomed enterprise, that ceased to matter to me anyway. As far as comics, novels, whatever goes, if its good, I like it. If it isn&#8217;t good, then it doesn&#8217;t matter. Whether or not its &#8216;canon&#8217; is really irrelevent. The one area of the &#8216;canon argument&#8217; where I can sympathize with people is when it comes to the &#8220;relaunches&#8221; that the novels are doing with DS9 and the other series. There&#8217;s very little chance of any of those properties seeing live action &#8220;if its on screen it counts&#8221; continuations, so I can understand fans wanting to read about what &#8220;really&#8221; happened to their heroes with some sense that what their reading &#8220;counts&#8221;, as opposed to be the fancy of a novelist that will be contradicted in the next or subsequent novels.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks CmdrR, Stanky and Dom, for following up on my comments above -- I&#039;m not used to getting responses!

There are all kinds of fun explanations one can come up with to resolve continuity &quot;gaffes,&quot; and I&#039;ve played the game myself. I think the point I was trying to make is that when I watched the various Trek movies for the first time, I was sort of &quot;thrown out&quot; of the viewing experience by things that didn&#039;t mesh with my fanboy encyclopedia of knowledge I walked into the theater with. When Khan recognizes Chekov (probably the biggest continuity blip in &quot;Wrath&quot;), I sort of had to spend a moment or two readjusting my knowledge. I&#039;m not saying it was a disaster to have Chekov rather than, say, Sulu, in that scene, but it did yank me out of a great, tense moment in the movie.

I guess I&#039;m gently arguing that it wouldn&#039;t harm anything to let someone with a deep knowledge of the show vet the movie scripts and offer alternatives to things which contradict &quot;canon&quot; -- alternatives that won&#039;t mess with the storytelling, but will help keep viewers like me from having too many of those &quot;yanked-out&quot; moments. The Klingon bird of prey is a good example. Would the ship have been any less cool if it had been called a Klingon destroyer or corvette or gunship?

Boy, I sound like some cranky old fart of a Trek fan. Sorry! I&#039;m really more of a &quot;to each his own&quot; kinda guy! Really!

Scott B. out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks CmdrR, Stanky and Dom, for following up on my comments above &#8212; I&#8217;m not used to getting responses!</p>
<p>There are all kinds of fun explanations one can come up with to resolve continuity &#8220;gaffes,&#8221; and I&#8217;ve played the game myself. I think the point I was trying to make is that when I watched the various Trek movies for the first time, I was sort of &#8220;thrown out&#8221; of the viewing experience by things that didn&#8217;t mesh with my fanboy encyclopedia of knowledge I walked into the theater with. When Khan recognizes Chekov (probably the biggest continuity blip in &#8220;Wrath&#8221;), I sort of had to spend a moment or two readjusting my knowledge. I&#8217;m not saying it was a disaster to have Chekov rather than, say, Sulu, in that scene, but it did yank me out of a great, tense moment in the movie.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m gently arguing that it wouldn&#8217;t harm anything to let someone with a deep knowledge of the show vet the movie scripts and offer alternatives to things which contradict &#8220;canon&#8221; &#8212; alternatives that won&#8217;t mess with the storytelling, but will help keep viewers like me from having too many of those &#8220;yanked-out&#8221; moments. The Klingon bird of prey is a good example. Would the ship have been any less cool if it had been called a Klingon destroyer or corvette or gunship?</p>
<p>Boy, I sound like some cranky old fart of a Trek fan. Sorry! I&#8217;m really more of a &#8220;to each his own&#8221; kinda guy! Really!</p>
<p>Scott B. out.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Photoshop cheating. As a professional illustrator, I have to defend the artist on the above cover. I can attest that it&#039;s perfectly acceptable to use photo reference to create art. I&#039;d bet my wrist that the second cover up there is hand-drawn, inked art, probably traced using a light box, from various photos. The color is done in Photoshop, or a similar program. The &quot;art&quot; comes in when the illustrator picks and chooses which details to use, which to discard, and organizes the images into a pleasing design, as the one who did the above image did.

For reasons that I guess I can understand, most people think unless an artist can pull an image out of his head without looking at anything, it&#039;s cheating. Michelangelo (and just about every other naturalistic artist ever) used models from which to do his great frescoes and sculptures. Norman Rockwell used copious photo reference in order to pull off his masterful illustrations. There&#039;s no shame in using reference.

I&#039;ve heard comic book artists say that one should shoot his own reference, but sometimes that&#039;s impossible. Certainly one can&#039;t shoot his own pictures of a young Shatner in order to create a comic book page.

That cover is a really nicely designed piece, and the drawing is excellent. Shatner&#039;s is an extremely difficult likeness to pull off, even when tracing from a good photo.

Scott B. out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Photoshop cheating. As a professional illustrator, I have to defend the artist on the above cover. I can attest that it&#8217;s perfectly acceptable to use photo reference to create art. I&#8217;d bet my wrist that the second cover up there is hand-drawn, inked art, probably traced using a light box, from various photos. The color is done in Photoshop, or a similar program. The &#8220;art&#8221; comes in when the illustrator picks and chooses which details to use, which to discard, and organizes the images into a pleasing design, as the one who did the above image did.</p>
<p>For reasons that I guess I can understand, most people think unless an artist can pull an image out of his head without looking at anything, it&#8217;s cheating. Michelangelo (and just about every other naturalistic artist ever) used models from which to do his great frescoes and sculptures. Norman Rockwell used copious photo reference in order to pull off his masterful illustrations. There&#8217;s no shame in using reference.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard comic book artists say that one should shoot his own reference, but sometimes that&#8217;s impossible. Certainly one can&#8217;t shoot his own pictures of a young Shatner in order to create a comic book page.</p>
<p>That cover is a really nicely designed piece, and the drawing is excellent. Shatner&#8217;s is an extremely difficult likeness to pull off, even when tracing from a good photo.</p>
<p>Scott B. out.</p>
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		<title>By: diabolik</title>
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		<dc:creator>diabolik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the second issue, is jut as obviously real photos add onto art.

So, on that your statement is correct.  Kind of reminds me of what they used to do on the old Gold Key covers sometimes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the second issue, is jut as obviously real photos add onto art.</p>
<p>So, on that your statement is correct.  Kind of reminds me of what they used to do on the old Gold Key covers sometimes!</p>
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		<title>By: diabolik</title>
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		<dc:creator>diabolik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:#14 again....

My mistake.... I was thinking the STR promotional poster, not the comic, if that&#039;s what you are referring to. The mixed news reports make it hard to know what one is talking about in the talkback comments!

But the cover is obviously based on photos. But I do think they are re-drawn from them for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:#14 again&#8230;.</p>
<p>My mistake&#8230;. I was thinking the STR promotional poster, not the comic, if that&#8217;s what you are referring to. The mixed news reports make it hard to know what one is talking about in the talkback comments!</p>
<p>But the cover is obviously based on photos. But I do think they are re-drawn from them for that.</p>
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		<title>By: diabolik</title>
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		<dc:creator>diabolik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #14... and photoshop &quot;cheating...&quot;

I don&#039;t get it.... would you have them cut out the photos and glue them onto the paper for the collage? Photoshop is how it&#039;s done now. It&#039;s not cheating, it&#039;s professional graphics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #14&#8230; and photoshop &#8220;cheating&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get it&#8230;. would you have them cut out the photos and glue them onto the paper for the collage? Photoshop is how it&#8217;s done now. It&#8217;s not cheating, it&#8217;s professional graphics.</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I youngster I figured there were plenty of logical explanations for the age of  Khan&#039;s entourage.

Examples include . . .

1: They were the children of the crew of the Botany Bay, who grew up faster as a consequence of their genetic engineering.

2: They aged at a different rate because they were genetically engineered. Khan was engineered earlier than them.

3: (stretching it!) The Botany Bay crew are genetically engineered and periodically slough off their outer skin, revealing younger versions. Khan is a differently-engineered being from them or hasn&#039;t sloughed off his skin yet, unless he&#039;s covering his hand up because the process has actually started there!

A little imagination allows you to develop all sorts of ideas. That&#039;s why I hate the &#039;convenience continuity&#039; so common in most spin-off novels!

Nicholas Meyer said, when Khan&#039;s glove was discussed, that it&#039;s the unexplained elements that get people thinking and talking. You can guarantee that &#039;The Secret of Khan&#039;s Glove&#039; would have been one of the mysteries ruined by &#039;Justice League of Star Trek!&#039;

As for the novels, I&#039;m pretty sure there was a modicum of internal consistency between the various books in the early days, but increasing numbers of series and movies that have contradicted them means many of the books can&#039;t help but contradict one another.

In many ways the best thing a story set earlier in the timeline can do is not show anything of import: just tell a good story!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I youngster I figured there were plenty of logical explanations for the age of  Khan&#8217;s entourage.</p>
<p>Examples include . . .</p>
<p>1: They were the children of the crew of the Botany Bay, who grew up faster as a consequence of their genetic engineering.</p>
<p>2: They aged at a different rate because they were genetically engineered. Khan was engineered earlier than them.</p>
<p>3: (stretching it!) The Botany Bay crew are genetically engineered and periodically slough off their outer skin, revealing younger versions. Khan is a differently-engineered being from them or hasn&#8217;t sloughed off his skin yet, unless he&#8217;s covering his hand up because the process has actually started there!</p>
<p>A little imagination allows you to develop all sorts of ideas. That&#8217;s why I hate the &#8216;convenience continuity&#8217; so common in most spin-off novels!</p>
<p>Nicholas Meyer said, when Khan&#8217;s glove was discussed, that it&#8217;s the unexplained elements that get people thinking and talking. You can guarantee that &#8216;The Secret of Khan&#8217;s Glove&#8217; would have been one of the mysteries ruined by &#8216;Justice League of Star Trek!&#8217;</p>
<p>As for the novels, I&#8217;m pretty sure there was a modicum of internal consistency between the various books in the early days, but increasing numbers of series and movies that have contradicted them means many of the books can&#8217;t help but contradict one another.</p>
<p>In many ways the best thing a story set earlier in the timeline can do is not show anything of import: just tell a good story!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Stanky McFibberich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanky McFibberich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: 22 Scott
&quot;When there are so many fans who’ve learnt Trek lore as assiduously as they have, would it be so bad to make sure that Khan’s entourage are the right age in The Wrath of Khan, or that Klingon ships aren’t referred to as Birds of Prey?&quot;

Those are two things that bugged me as well.

And I also have a lot of books on the Andy Griffith Show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: 22 Scott<br />
&#8220;When there are so many fans who’ve learnt Trek lore as assiduously as they have, would it be so bad to make sure that Khan’s entourage are the right age in The Wrath of Khan, or that Klingon ships aren’t referred to as Birds of Prey?&#8221;</p>
<p>Those are two things that bugged me as well.</p>
<p>And I also have a lot of books on the Andy Griffith Show.</p>
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