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steve-o
February 22, 2007 1:28 am

clearly there was a better episode they could have picked to remaster. isnt it amazing how anything can seem dramatic and interesting when that music is played in the background

Penhall
February 22, 2007 1:34 am

They wont do it, but I’d like to see CBS Digital dub in some heavy THUD sounds when Mirmanee is pelted by rocks. They look kinda fake, but some good sound effects would sell the scene a lot better, not to mention make it more dramatic…

Cranston
February 22, 2007 1:38 am

Hmm. Not sure I like the orbital shot of Earth for this episode. I haven’t watched “The Paradise Syndrome” in years, but was the planet supposed to be an exact copy of Earth?

Or maybe this is just stock footage used for the preview and not from the actual episode.

Anyway, not the best episode by a long shot, but one with some fun ideas (the progenitors, the cool asteroid defense mechanism, etc) and some awful ones (the planet populated by Hollywood Stock ‘Primitive Indian’ stereotypes). But who doesn’t love “I AM KIROK!” ?

Josh T. ( The Undiscovered Wrath of Spock Voyage The Motion Picture) Kirk Esquire'
February 22, 2007 1:49 am

You know, I’ll admit it, I’m a man. I don’t give a rats ass what anyone says, when Miramanee passes I get misty eyed and gulp. This is probably the most overlooked, unappreciated, tender moment in Trek history and only serves to reinforce the ACTING giants that made up Star Trek. Oh yeah, it’s the Cello cue right at the moment she passes. Powerful, listen for it.

February 22, 2007 1:55 am

looks like nobody bothered to do anything about the phaser beams that start Out diverging but somehow mysteriously converge.

Josh T. ( The Undiscovered Wrath of Spock Voyage The Motion Picture) Kirk Esquire'
February 22, 2007 2:05 am

There isn’t an issue with the phasers Joe, they don’t converge it’s a perspective issue.

Oh, and before everyone falls apart crying the planetary orbit shot is stock footage of the initial CGI model orbiting Earth simply used for the preview.

Holo J
February 22, 2007 2:44 am

I can’t be sure, and I may well be wrong but it looks like the shock Kirk gets from the alien obelisk has been tweaked.

I think the orbit shot at the beginning is stock footage from the earlier model they used.

Dom
February 22, 2007 2:49 am

I’ll always remember the ending of this story. Beautifully done.

Cervantes
February 22, 2007 3:22 am

I remember thinking the design of the “Obelisk” in this was very cool as a youngster, and as a working designer now, still do. Some of the new shots in this particular preview look excellent I’m glad to say, as I’m still smarting over my favourite ever object design (apart from the original Enterprise…obviously) from Star Trek:TOS, the “Doomsday Machine”, not resembling the original Model in it’s design and colours more closely, as re-imagined by CBS Digital.

I know, I have to let it go now…
But first please allow me to indulge myself one more time folks before I do, and show this rendition I came across to anyone that has missed it, as I think it captures well the imagery of the mysterious looking “cement windsock” look of the ’60s original.

Cervantes
February 22, 2007 3:26 am

Apologies folks…a small error.

Go to:

Doug
February 22, 2007 3:51 am

re 4

I agree with you Josh, this has always ranked high with me. I think it’s a really touching character episode. Looking forward to it.

Doug

Dom
February 22, 2007 4:31 am

After the epics that were Where No Man . . . and the Doomsday Machine, I reckon they’d have to do a few of these smaller, FX-lite eps!

Stanky McFibberich
February 22, 2007 4:42 am

One of my favorite episodes.
Those previews go by so fast, I don’t see how you guys can see all this stuff. :)

charlie
February 22, 2007 5:14 am

The only special effect I want to see from this episode is that hottie named Miramanee. Buckskin never looked sexier.

Scarpad
February 22, 2007 5:17 am

This was always a favorite of mine and one of the Better 3rd season eps, sure you have Indians straight out of the western’s of the time, what else would you expect. But it was also a good chance to see Jim Kirk have the Life he never could have as captain of the Enterprise. He was after all stranded there for what a couple of months. Also there are some great Spock/Mccoy moments where spock spends a month staring at the Oblisk symbols, Mccoy comes in and tells him he has to get some rest or he will have him relieved, Spock Lays on his Bed, and then as soon as McCoy Leaves returns to the Monitor, it really shows the Bond that Kirk-Spock Had. And lets not Downplay the Ending, It always Mists Me up, as Jim Kirk not only loses his Wife but his Child. Ans shatner played it wonderfully.

Kyle H
February 22, 2007 5:23 am

Here’s hoping they CGI the line between Kirk’s pointy stiletto sideburns and the stuck-on patches that make them chunky, hippie sideburns. ;)

Even as a wee lad that always bugged me!

Lao3D
February 22, 2007 5:52 am

I’ve never understood why the original producers felt thay had to use the exact duplicate of Earth, both here and in Miri (apart from reusing stock footage). I was always willing to buy the whole parallel cultural development thing, but identical continents were always hard for me to swallow.

Apart from that, I always liked the story of this one, great script for Shatner to sink his teeth into.

diabolik
February 22, 2007 5:58 am

I don’t remember it being an exact duplicate of Earth, just similar. I suppose I need to watch the original again….

But yeah, the music and emotion of Miramanee’s death always teared me up big time. She was the one woman to whom Kirk gave himself to without reserve (since he had no memory) and why she is overlooked as one of Kirk’s greatest loves is beyond me.

CmdrR
February 22, 2007 6:27 am

Dang, you all made the points I wanted to make. I knew someone would say this isn’t the best episode. But, it’s one of my favorites. I love the idea of Enterprise going on a mission that lasts more than two days. I love the McCoy-Spock bickering. I lust after Mirimani. Scotty also gets some great lines in this one: “Me bairns, me poor bairns,” refering to his engines as dying children. I didn’t know what the hell he was saying until English Lit class years later when we looked at “Bobby Brown (Not Whitney’s ex, the talented one.)

MichaelJohn
February 22, 2007 6:50 am

This has always been one of my favorite episodes. I lthink I like all the TOS episodes that were filmed outside on real locations, instead of on sound stages. That adds much more believability to me.

And, as others have already mentioned, there’s Miramony…..probably the sexiest women in TOS! Why, why did she have to die at the end of this episode? What a waste of hot alien babe!!

Mike:o

Clinton
February 22, 2007 7:06 am

And now for other one of my patented “am I remembering things wrong?” moments: Is the shot of the sparking in the engine room remastered?

And, yes, I think CBS-D deserves a bit of a rest this week, with a less graphics-intense episode like this.

February 22, 2007 7:33 am

I always thought the episode order was specific to anticipated workload; i.e., you have something heavy-FX like DOOMSDAY and then a few light(er)-FX eps like this one to (a) give the team a bit of a break and (b) to allow part of the team to work on the next “heavy” episode.

CmdrR
February 22, 2007 7:56 am

15 – “sure you have Indians straight out of the western’s of the time”

Sure, if by ‘straight’ you mean with a side trip to Spain. This episode brings to mind (slightly) Shatner’s never-to-be-forgotten-or-forgiven turn in 1967’s White Commanche.

Lao3D
February 22, 2007 8:14 am

I may have misremembered the Earth duplicate thing as well. They use it in the preview, but they’ve often done that in these. Sucks getting old…

The sparky engines appear as they were in the original, I think — very cool effect as well:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=79&pos=153

TroyPo43
February 22, 2007 8:17 am

Ah yes…Season 3, the “Girlfriend of the Week” season. **sigh** Its gonna be a long hour this week after “Doomsday” and “Amok Time”…

Jim J
February 22, 2007 8:19 am

I’m not so sure this episode is as short of special effects as many of you imply. I seem to remember several space shots of the ship, planet, asteroid, phasers, deflector, and so on. Maybe I am remembering incorrectly.

How can you not drool over Miramanee??? I put her and Dr. Helen Noel in my top 5, heck, top 3!!!! I’m really looking forward to this one. In some ways it’ll be nice that CBS-D takes a short break or two after this. I suppose they will be using that time to work on season one for the dvd’s.

Anthony-Have you ever heard from them at CBS-D if they ARE going back and tweaking their earlier work with the newer model of the big E? It’ll be such a shame to have the first model yet on dvd for “Balance of Terror” and others. Especially those nacelles!!! Also, are they ever gonna fix the first and second season credits by adding the new big E (with correct nacelles) model???? Anything you could find out about this would be appreciated.

diabolik
February 22, 2007 8:26 am

This episode reeks with effects shots beyond the usual stock ones we always see. I am looking forward to seeing them, and this was one of the few third season shows that I actually like and have no complaints about.

Michael Hall
February 22, 2007 8:38 am

By third season standards, this episode was a pleasure, and not even a particularly guilty one. As others have noted, Sabrina Scharf was lovely, and given the material she had to work with, more than good enough in the role of Miramanee. (For the Sexiest Woman in TOS award, though, I’d have to go with Barbara Bouchet from “By Any Other Name”–just an amazingly beautiful female.) I’ll look forward to seeing this one again after many years.

ety3
February 22, 2007 8:51 am

There’s even a energy burst from the deflector dish in this episode. Remember? It was yellow:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=79&pos=105

As for duplicate Earths, this wasn’t one of those episodes. The American Indians were taken from Earth by the Preservers and deposited on this M-class planet since they were threatened with extinction.

CmdrR
February 22, 2007 8:51 am

Are we starting a list of TILFs? (Trekettes I’d…)

OK, My Top 5:

Dr. Helen Noel
Yoeman Rand
Mirmani
T’Pring
Green Vina

ask me next week, i’ll have a different list

tronnei
February 22, 2007 9:02 am

No list can be complete without Jill Ireland :)

Scott
February 22, 2007 9:10 am

I agree with or will state these points:

– one of the (to my mind THE) best episode(s) of Season Three.

– Sabrina Scharf was exquisite…which Kirok among us wouldn’t fall arse-over-teakettle in love with Miramanee?

– the ending is the saddest in all Trek, beating “City…” or any other.

– Excellent score…did anyone say excellent score? Excellent.

– This is just a very Earth-like planet, like the Roman planet in “Bread and Circuses,” but not an exact duplicate, as Miri’s planet (quite inexplicably) was.

– Location shooting always makes an episode better.

– Looking forward to a new asteroid.

Scott B. out.

billy don't be a hiro
February 22, 2007 9:18 am

#30, how could you forget Andrea, Roger Corby’s android geisha?

CmdrR
February 22, 2007 9:44 am

Natira’s no slouch, either. As I say, there are more than 5. Keep voting guys. Babism is definitely a part of Trek. Ladies are certainly invited to talk about Apollo’s chest.

brady
February 22, 2007 9:53 am

i guess its time for anthony to do a poll and put the fighting to rest on best trek babe

Bill
February 22, 2007 10:16 am

I always had a soft spot for Marla McGivers from Space Seed. Sigh. Well, next week I’ll see her again.

Scott
February 22, 2007 10:21 am

Heaven help me…here goes:

1. Sabrina Scharf – Miramanee, “Paradise Syndrome”
2. Leslie Parrish – Carolyn Palamas, “Who Mourns…Adonis”
3. Marianna Hill – Helen Noel, “Dagger…Mind’s Eye”
4. Emily Banks – Tonia Barrows, “Shore Leave”
5. Venita Wolf – Teresa Ross, “Squire of Gothos”

Not all obvious choices, and I’m sure I’m neglecting some close competition, but there it is.

Scott B. out.

diabolik
February 22, 2007 10:50 am

Splinter, dagger, they both sound pretty painful in the eye. Only one goes in Kirk’s and the other Han’s.. :)

Easy mixup between “Dagger of the Mind” and “Splinter in the Mind’s Eye.”

I read that book too.

ZtoA
February 22, 2007 10:57 am

Scene: Miramanee enters tent and awakens Kirock… (buck-uh, buck-uh, bwow-bwooowwww) …I know some of you out there get it…

The difference between Spock and a good drinkin’ buddy is that the good drinkin’ buddy will buy you a beer and say “you’ve gotta forget about her”… Spock, on the other hand, can really make you forget… and lot leave you hung-over. Spock should replace Dr. Phil.

Let’s bring on Immunity Syndrom and Tholian Web… the CGI guys should have a blast with amoeba’s and bright gold strings…LOL

Live long and prosper, y’all!!

Robert Bernardo
February 22, 2007 11:07 am

And there are screen captures of the Remastered Paradise Syndrome at http://www.trekbbs.com (and copied over to http://www.trekweb.com).

diabolik
February 22, 2007 11:34 am

Looking forward to both of those FX-heavy episodes.

This is a good time to be a Star Trek fan, I tell you. I’ve not been this excited over anything Trek in a long time, as I have anticipating, watching and discussing these remastered episodes.

Michael Appleton
February 22, 2007 12:09 pm

Sabrina Scharf as Miramanee always made me want to be “in-tents” with her! Err,..sorry, bad pun! I guess I have no “reservations” when it comes to North American Indian jokes. Whoops, there I go again…geez, I’m blushing, look at my “red skin”. Aarghh, can’t stop…

Dr. Image
February 22, 2007 12:25 pm

#37 Scott-
Yvonne Craig? Marta??! Green!! Aka/ Batgirl?!! DUH!!!
My fantasies reel…….UUhhhh… (sorry…)

Scott
February 22, 2007 12:29 pm

#38

diabolik — good grief. What corner of my mind’s eye did I pull that out of?!

And here I was, so proud I could call up all those actresses and their roles…come to think of it, I guess those neurons were aligned around the same time I read that book!

Scott B. out of it.

paul austin
February 22, 2007 12:54 pm

pile it on, but i like this episode…kirk centric, sad ending…great location footage. the ending used to crush me. It’s good for CBS-D to mix the not so popular in with the popular otherwise there will be a huge lull at the end of the run. But for me this is a great episode.
and btw i wish ‘white comanche’ was out on dvd…i used to catch it ebery now and then on tv and laugh

Jim J
February 22, 2007 1:14 pm

Wow, look at what I started by saying she was in my top 3 along with Helen Noel. Guss I better add in my 2 cents on this, too.

1. Helen Noel
2. Miramanee
3. Carolyn Palamas
4. Teresa Ross
5. Vina
6. Tonia Barrows
7. Andrea the android
8. The babe from Wink of an Eye
9. The babe from By Any Other Name
10. Yeoman Rand

Sando Ravor
February 22, 2007 1:14 pm

It’s a shame they can’t remaster those styrofoam rocks. Then again, maybe styrofoam is like Kryptonite to people from that planet.

diabolik
February 22, 2007 1:26 pm

Did annyone else ever see the funny but short-lived Trek/SF parody/comedy called “Quark”? I loved that show, how I wish they would release it on DVD. Everything else is, so maybe there’s hope.

Anyway, there was an episode with an obelisk almost identical to this one in it, as an homage to it. I have a few of these on videotape, but I’m holding out for the DVD set.

diabolik
February 22, 2007 1:28 pm

Here’s the wiki page on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark_(TV_series)

CmdrR
February 22, 2007 1:33 pm

47 – “…to people from that planet.”

They’re from Earth, or their ancestors were.

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