I said nothing at all about sex changes in any of my threads. Please get your facts straight!

My comments were simply in response to what you posted and I quote…”peaceful people who are consenting adults that love each other and just want to live as equals”

Should not peace loving Mormons that just want to follow the tenants of fundamental Mormonism also be allowed the same right to marry? Why bring up the subject of biology now when the real subject here is discrimination?

To me if you are for gay marriage then you must equally be for other forms of marriage, as long as they are consensual, and do not involve minors. If not, you are just picking and choosing which groups you choose to support and which you choose to discriminate against. How is that right?

If gays are being discrimated against because they are not be allowed to legally marry etc, so are Mormons, and Muslim men that want to have more than one wife legally. But I guess what you are saying is that civil unions based on biology should be more accepted than those based on religious convictions, or personal choice. Sorry I don’t buy that arguement.

It seems to me that many gays and lesbians that want the right to marry, would quickly deny these very same rights to others that don’t base their desire to form unions on biology. Why is one reason ok, and the others not?

If your point was that any consenting ADULT should be allowed to form any mutually agreed upon union with another or others, be it gay, lesbian, polygamy etc, then I would respect that view, but disagree with it completely. But you seem to be saying that gays are a special case and should not be compared to other individuals that also desire to be in non conventional unions.

To fight for gay rights, but not equally support the rights of all consenting adults to form whatever type of civil union or marriage they desire, is blatant HYPOCRISY in my opinion.

Mike :o

Doesnt necessarily say… These Guys Are Gay and This Is Our Episodes Focal Point

I mean come on… when Rejoined aired wasnt it labelled as a Lesbian episode up till the moment it actually aired and when it did air it wasnt quite that at all. So how it gods name do we know this is going to be the same?? we dont… it hasnt even been filmed yet and we’re all just presuming from god damn poster art and images that tease us.

For gods sake this is the 21st century… are we really saying that this sort of thing is still touchy… my god.

You know i give up. I’m one of those guys wholl reserve judgment till i actually see something on my screen just as i will Star Trek XI.

Until October/November or whenever the ep is released thats when ill give my opinions.

Every great society in history has destroyed itself from within and made defeat from without possible. Star Trek is about a glorious future where we fix the social ills that threaten that future.

Our species was created to work reproductively in one way only. To do otherwise is an abomination to the Lord.

Gays in Star Trek? Not in my house.

ah P.s.- you said something about people having sex changes… i would go back and read what it was but i have had my fill of b.s. today… so i will simply say i hope you realize that transexuals are not gay people it is a whole different complex category of it’s own… it’s like talking about apples, and onions

By comparing adult relationship to those involving minors or beastiality just further inflames this debate, and is neither a valid comparison or fair.

I understand your strong opinions and beliefs, but I think you’re letting your emotions get the best of you on this thread.

I wish no gay Star Treks any harm or ill will, I simply don’t support or agree with their lifestyle. The fact that I don’t doesn’t automatically make me a homophobe either!

Mike :o

It’s not your call. Nice try.

No matter how much you rant, American society continues to move in the direction of greater openess and fairness for people of varying backgrounds and sexual orientations. Trying to dress bigotry and fear up as “maintaining traditional morality” or as the right to personal standards – as members of the KKK would have considered their preferences to be – is not even slowing things down all that much at this point, thank gods.

Bottom line is, if you want to be “not exposed” to ideas and ways of life you don’t like you’ll need to find an island elsewhere. This ain’t the place it’s going to happen for you. :)