Comments on: Tholian Web Original v Remastered

By: neo

neo — Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:22:35 +0000

“Clean it up if you like, but don’t change anything.”

yes, boldly going nowhere.

By: Jim J

Jim J — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:54:16 +0000

Weird, I don’t think they would…if you aim a bullet at a target, and then it moves, it won’t hit the target anymore. Or, if you fire a bullet at a man, and he falls, and you keep firing straight forward, the other bullets won’t hit him.

Doesn’t matter, I’m 40 and I love the remastering overall…each to his/her own, I guess.

By: Steeevil

Steeevil — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:14:55 +0000

Thanks for the side by side comparison. It really helped me realize… I much prefer the original. I’m 39 and been a fan of Star Trek (especially TOS) for as long as I can remember. Remastering was totally unnecessary in my opinion. Clean it up if you like, but don’t change anything.

By: diabolik

diabolik — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:56:09 +0000

I think the beams would follow the ship since there are no more shields blocking them. Otherwise they’d just hang there bouncing off of nothing. I think they got it just right.

By: Jim J

Jim J — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:55:41 +0000

I got it, everyone!!!!

The reason why many of you don’t like the Tholian ship being thrown back by the phaser hit is……….*drum roll, please*……….because the the phaser beams FOLLOW the ship as it flings backwards. Wouldn’t the beams remain stable while the ship flings out of their path?

Either way, I still like their work, though! lol

By: Cervantes

Cervantes — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:04:23 +0000

#33

Good point Chris about some moves needing to be s-l-o-w-e-r. Some too fast “imaginary” camera moves of the new CGI “E” are making the new work seem smaller in scale. Well spotted.

By: neo

neo — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:17:59 +0000

the ship is flying diagonally in the first shot! why remaster the show at all if they’re going to keep it that consistent?!

By: Chris Pike

Chris Pike — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:39:53 +0000

12 Good point. Interesting that this great side by side comparison shows in the opener how much nicer those original nacelle lighting effects were than can be done digitally, it’s a shame that clearly that will never be quite right in the remasters. It is a great testement to those original artists that with 12v coloured incandescents and some mirror fragments that they produced such a memorable effect that has become almost impossible to replicate.

The E model has looked a little better in some shots of previous episodes, as some others have noticed which does seem odd. And, yes, that deflector dish still looks too dull.

That reactive move of the phaser hit Tholian ship does look “off” somehow (GD, 24) and the update on the design overdone. The “crab” and jib style move rear shots of the E are nice but need to be very slow for scale – those moves would span hundreds of feet in just a few seconds!

As some have pointed out, there’s more to VFX than technique and equipment, it’s (obviously) an artform, a mini high art film production in itself requiring an “eye” and feel for the dramatic necessities that the shot is driving, and that is so so quickly diluted when there are many individual artists on workstations dividing it up and losing track of the original overall dramatic intent, whilst concentrating almost solely on some infinitessimal image imperfection. That is why I believe many of todays’ big VFX have a certain blandness to them, whilst strangly looking perfect, even too perfect. It is becoming very apparent what an extraordinary job they made of the original effects back then, given severe budget, materials/equipment – and especially – time restraints.

By: Gd846c3

Gd846c3 — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:34:17 +0000

Glad to hear it.

By: Xai (She's the good ship, Ent ter prise....)

Xai (She's the good ship, Ent ter prise....) — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:11:10 +0000

Gd, no I was not reffering to you.