I wasn’t advocating DS9 for the next film. It’s TOS and I’ve no problem with that. I already stated my only concerns with a TOS film back on #103.

Josh T….give me a break with your “thought police” crack. Your comparison is insipid. Your example, “If everytime I say to myself ’such and such makes me so GD mad I can’t see straight,’ “is light years away from someone suggesting, in print on a public forum, that harm should come to people involved with the making of a Star Trek film because they’ll be recasting classic roles.

Threatening violence in writing is not FREE SPEECH. Thinking something is one thing, writing about it implies INTENT. No one’s rights will be infringed if these individuals are prosecuted. In point of fact, they were, by the nature of their words, attempting to infringe upon the rights of others by implying “if you do this thing that I don’t want you to do, you may get hurt.”

Leave the threadbare Orwellian conspiracy theories at the door. “Thought Police” indeed. How freakin’ lame.

- Star Trek’s tv ratings decline clearly started with DS9.

If Paramont could make a DS9 film they thought would be popular we would not be having this conversation.

Clearly Shatner + Nimoy are not the future of ST. I hope nobody is suggesting that.

What I (along with many others) want is a better ending for Kirk. ST XI is the perfect chance for that to happen.

People’s passion about the subject speaks volumes as to why Shatner + Nimoy should appear in ST XI as well as why Kirk + Spock are coming back in whatever form they are coming back.

Must, must, must…

AAAAArrrrrghhhhh!

All opinions or demands?

It’s MY opinion that Abrams and co will do it their way and all we can do is watch.

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You said…
“Demand for new Star Trek was so low that the once mighty Star Trek franchise could not even attract 2 million people per week to watch Enterprise for free.”
ENT was finding itself under Coto in it’s final season and was producing very good eps during it. Unfortunately it had stikes against it. Poor stories at the start and being shown on a fledgling network that barely was available to half the US TV market. And in many of those markets it was buried in late night or poor spots.

You said…
“What makes you think that they would pay to see a non Kirk + Spock version of Star Trek?
99% of the public think of Kirk + Spock when they think of Star Trek. Clearly very few people care about it’s spinoff’s.”
I have no problem with Kirk and Spock and a TOS film… I have never said otherwise. I grew up up TOS and like it. You mention that most people think of K&S as Trek…of course they do. It’s been on continously for 40 years in reruns and 6 TOS movies. I won’t change your mind, but you highly underestimate the last 4 series for popularity, especially TNG and DS9.
I DO have a problem with a TOS film going back to the well one more time. Namely Shatner and Nimoy. If they are there…fine… if not, I won’t cry.
Why? Because even though they were the first actors in the characters and likely to remembered the most as K&S, they can no longer play the parts that those characters NEED to be. Not elderly, but vibrant action heroes. And why not feature them in the famous “bookends” that the pro-Shat people want? Because the whole film will suffer because people will compare the TWO actors protraying the same part…especially those movie-goers that are not hardcore Trek fans. (”Isn’t the old guy Captain Kirk?….who’s the other guy?”) This does nothing to move the story along, it just confuses the viewers. Let’s have a straightforward story with no contrived plots just to get the old (and likely to be expensive) guard into just one more movie.

You said…
“The only reason why you are getting a TOS film is because Paramont understands it is the only commercially viable aspect of the franchise.”
I don’t completely disagree with the statement, only because it’s the only one that they have not driven into the ground with poor stories and direction. Berman, Paramount and Shatner are all to blame for Captain Kirk’s death in Generations. Yes, I said Shatner too. He saw $$$ all over the movie and couldn’t resist one last Trek Check and his name in a starring role. He could have said, “no, I won’t kill Kirk” or not in this manner and stood up for what should have been done. He saw the script before the fact… he had a chance.

Let them do the Trek Universe right and have one Kirk and Spock per movie.

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If (and I say that it would be a big IF) they were to do another TNG movie, the only way to have one be successful, would be to incorporate TNG/DS9/and Voyager, in one large galactic movie. A final battle between the federation and the borg, requireing Capt Sisko to come back from the wormhole (since he exists in non-linear time existance, he could) to lead the DS9 camp, and Picard and Janeway to lead their seperate parts.
Adventure on the grand scale. Oh, and find a way to integrate Q into it. You would need the fans of all 3 shows to show up to see their favorite trek spinoff to be successful. None on their own can do that anymore. Short of that, going back to TOS is the only way to go.

By the way, I’m not really sure just how far back they really will go with Trek XI. The rumours I read seemed to indicate a possible flashback to when Kirk was a Lt fighting the cloud vampire, and was one of the few survivors. A rumoured possible scene with a command handover with Capt Pike, Spock was already on the big E, (didn’t the Menegerie 2 parter say he served with pike for 11 years?) In WNMHGB, didn’t Gary Mitchell allude to several adventures previously where he had saved Kirk? There is a lot of ground that could be covered. Whose to say it couldn’t pick up between WNMHGB, and the first episode of the regulat series? I think we all “know” the charicters, put them on the ship, and lets go have a great adventure, let Kirk kick some ass and bag another beauty, (he always does…) let Spock logically figure an answer to the problem, and let McCoy say “He’s DEAD Jim!!….” Scotty will whine about his ” poor barins”, Uhura, will say “hailing frequencies open, sir”, Chekov or Sulu will say “phasers locked on target” and a few redshirts will get shot and so on. We already know with out even seeing the movie who the people are and how they are supposed to react.
As long as they keep the charicters in charicter everything will be fine as long as they have a good concept, and do a decent job of recasting.

As much as I love the original actors, they are all too old to carry the movie.
Camoes is the best we can expect, to think otherwise is to delude yourself. A 10 minute scene with the Shat and Nimoy, which I think would be a nice nod to the original cast, by itself is hardly worth the price of admission. Lets face it, the movie will be carried by the new cast, whomever they will be, and it had better be a good one, if there are to be anymore.
Peace,
FM!!

“..What you should be discussing is responsibility for conduct and actions”
THOUGHTS are different from the WRITTEN word. The written word is an ACTION. What I am saying is that threats in writing can be considered criminal threat to harm. Just a few weeks ago some idiot spray painted “bomb” on the side of a high school in Omaha. The school was evacuated. Fortunately the threat did not materialize.(It was another of the “copycat” threats in the wake of Virgina Tech..the worst behavior imaginable to copycat, in my opinion!)
Threatening people in writing is crossing the line. Period.

10,000 quatlunes that it will play out similarly to this