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	<title>Comments on: Review: &#8220;Patterns of Force&#8221; Remastered</title>
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		<title>By: Feminism &#38; pop culture hits : The Hathor Legacy on Dexter, and Cupidsbow on fanwork &#8212; Hoyden About Town</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/05/25/review-patterns-of-force-remastered/comment-page-2/#comment-1773235</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminism &#38; pop culture hits : The Hathor Legacy on Dexter, and Cupidsbow on fanwork &#8212; Hoyden About Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/05/25/review-patterns-of-force-remastered/comment-page-2/#comment-111781</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 14:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#59: I&#039;m not a site editor nor am I speaking on their behalf, but based on what I&#039;ve seen here such a policy (if it exists or ever existed) apparently does not apply to the articles themselves.  And when such articles take gratuitous and offensive shots at one group or another, well, those groups are going to respond, and talkback degeneration proceeds from there.  Anthony can delete postings on a mass scale and drive away his audience, or leave them (relatively) alone and let the conversation take its course.  The best course of action would have been to avoid the gratuitous attack in the first place, but that didn&#039;t happen, so the best you can hope for is that everyone handles the resulting political discussion with a measure of civility and intelligence.  Some of us managed it (#41), some of us didn&#039;t (#52).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#59: I&#8217;m not a site editor nor am I speaking on their behalf, but based on what I&#8217;ve seen here such a policy (if it exists or ever existed) apparently does not apply to the articles themselves.  And when such articles take gratuitous and offensive shots at one group or another, well, those groups are going to respond, and talkback degeneration proceeds from there.  Anthony can delete postings on a mass scale and drive away his audience, or leave them (relatively) alone and let the conversation take its course.  The best course of action would have been to avoid the gratuitous attack in the first place, but that didn&#8217;t happen, so the best you can hope for is that everyone handles the resulting political discussion with a measure of civility and intelligence.  Some of us managed it (#41), some of us didn&#8217;t (#52).</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Seven</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/05/25/review-patterns-of-force-remastered/comment-page-2/#comment-111417</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Seven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 05:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony,

If I understood your previous writings correctly, I thought you had a &quot;no-politics&quot; policy on the threads.  I thought that was a good policy, because the threads can deteriorate into almost completely non-Star Trek (see above).  
Did I understand your policy correctly, and if so , what has happened?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,</p>
<p>If I understood your previous writings correctly, I thought you had a &#8220;no-politics&#8221; policy on the threads.  I thought that was a good policy, because the threads can deteriorate into almost completely non-Star Trek (see above).<br />
Did I understand your policy correctly, and if so , what has happened?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/05/25/review-patterns-of-force-remastered/comment-page-2/#comment-110898</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 14:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides making gratuitous references to contemporary politics, the review confuses the warring factions in the episode: the Ekotians were the Germans, and the Zeons (cf. &quot;Zionists&quot;) were the Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides making gratuitous references to contemporary politics, the review confuses the warring factions in the episode: the Ekotians were the Germans, and the Zeons (cf. &#8220;Zionists&#8221;) were the Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/05/25/review-patterns-of-force-remastered/comment-page-2/#comment-110893</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 14:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve lost me as a reader thanks to the unnecessary political jabs in this review.  A shame, this site was a very promising source for new Trek news, until it persisted in irrelevant political talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve lost me as a reader thanks to the unnecessary political jabs in this review.  A shame, this site was a very promising source for new Trek news, until it persisted in irrelevant political talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/05/25/review-patterns-of-force-remastered/comment-page-2/#comment-110788</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 11:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the left are trying to rally using the usual tactics (&quot;incapable to reasonable debate,&quot; conservatives are &quot;deranged,&quot; et. al.).  Nice, guys.  What&#039;s next, calling us Nazis?  Oh, wait...anyway:

A brief reply to #41:  I greatly appreciate the reasoned and reasonable reply.  I disagree with the specifics - while I suppose Gill&#039;s speech could bear a superficial resemblance to some of the &quot;patriotic&quot; speeches the administration has offered in recent memory, the context and content are vastly different.  Is national pride really that bad of a thing in a time of war?  But anyway, your point about the political overtones is accepted.

I&#039;m left to wonder how Altman&#039;s remark really addressed such topics, but I&#039;m going to drop it and move on to bigger and better things.  I&#039;ve got Shore Leave recorded and I&#039;m sure there&#039;ll be no end to the controversial topics to be found there. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the left are trying to rally using the usual tactics (&#8221;incapable to reasonable debate,&#8221; conservatives are &#8220;deranged,&#8221; et. al.).  Nice, guys.  What&#8217;s next, calling us Nazis?  Oh, wait&#8230;anyway:</p>
<p>A brief reply to #41:  I greatly appreciate the reasoned and reasonable reply.  I disagree with the specifics &#8211; while I suppose Gill&#8217;s speech could bear a superficial resemblance to some of the &#8220;patriotic&#8221; speeches the administration has offered in recent memory, the context and content are vastly different.  Is national pride really that bad of a thing in a time of war?  But anyway, your point about the political overtones is accepted.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m left to wonder how Altman&#8217;s remark really addressed such topics, but I&#8217;m going to drop it and move on to bigger and better things.  I&#8217;ve got Shore Leave recorded and I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;ll be no end to the controversial topics to be found there. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/05/25/review-patterns-of-force-remastered/comment-page-2/#comment-110766</link>
		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 11:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m definitely not on the &#039;liberal&#039; side of any debate, but I found the review really quite innocuous. Who&#039;d&#039;ve thought we&#039;d have thousands of words expended on stuff utterly unrelated to the review!!

Methinks there are hair-trigger people out there who are simply itching for a fight and wanting to take offence over anything that comes past!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m definitely not on the &#8216;liberal&#8217; side of any debate, but I found the review really quite innocuous. Who&#8217;d've thought we&#8217;d have thousands of words expended on stuff utterly unrelated to the review!!</p>
<p>Methinks there are hair-trigger people out there who are simply itching for a fight and wanting to take offence over anything that comes past!</p>
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		<title>By: TRUTH QUIRK PART FIVE!</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/05/25/review-patterns-of-force-remastered/comment-page-2/#comment-110375</link>
		<dc:creator>TRUTH QUIRK PART FIVE!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 22:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My entire point was that we need to not remake the same mistakes, but intstead need to learn from history. That does seem, to me at least, to be a theme of this episode and is highly relevant.

No, #52, I am not derenged and when I was speaking of &quot;US&quot; I was speaking of anyone not a fanatical muslum extremist. I&#039;ll let the rest of your post slide and consider the source.

Anthony, it was never my intention to spam, merely reply to the left and give another oppinion.

You know, IDIC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My entire point was that we need to not remake the same mistakes, but intstead need to learn from history. That does seem, to me at least, to be a theme of this episode and is highly relevant.</p>
<p>No, #52, I am not derenged and when I was speaking of &#8220;US&#8221; I was speaking of anyone not a fanatical muslum extremist. I&#8217;ll let the rest of your post slide and consider the source.</p>
<p>Anthony, it was never my intention to spam, merely reply to the left and give another oppinion.</p>
<p>You know, IDIC.</p>
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		<title>By: Gsmarty Pants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gsmarty Pants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 21:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>51

Understood. I&#039;m curious to read his response since I tried to engage more than denigrate, but I know I&#039;ve violated the semi-moratorium on hardcore political discussion in the comments sectiosn, so I will gladly leave my end of this to rest.  I actually kind of feel dirty for having done it to begin with, and I do apologize for contributing to the stray.

I still think John Gill was watching Hogan&#039;s Heroes instead of going to class, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>51</p>
<p>Understood. I&#8217;m curious to read his response since I tried to engage more than denigrate, but I know I&#8217;ve violated the semi-moratorium on hardcore political discussion in the comments sectiosn, so I will gladly leave my end of this to rest.  I actually kind of feel dirty for having done it to begin with, and I do apologize for contributing to the stray.</p>
<p>I still think John Gill was watching Hogan&#8217;s Heroes instead of going to class, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Milou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 21:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #47 -  oh dear...

I was going to try  and answer the verious points that  you made in your diatribe but I won&#039;t since it&#039;s completely irrelevant to Star Trek and also I suspect  from the tone of your polemic that you&#039;re not open to reason.

I&#039;ll refrain therefore to merely stating that, in my opinion:

1. &quot;’I&#039;ve served overseas and I’ve been to these countrys, these people want to kill us and they are not playing games.&quot; - If you&#039;re an example of the quality of American military personnel then it&#039;s hardly surprising that &quot;those&quot; people want to kill you; and

2. You appear from your post to probably be incapable to reasonable debate and possibly quite deranged. My apologies but there you are...

Meanwhile back to this episode. - what amused me was that our Federation historian used the Nazis as an example of an &#039;efficient&#039; system to base a society on. Amusing simply because the Nazi state was in fact vanything but efficient, the government comprising a multitude of overlapping organisations whose leaders were continually struggling with each other for power and which viewed each other&#039;s operations with a great deal of suspicion. Presumably what&#039;s known of pre-WW3 history got a bit-mangled byt the time of the 23rd century :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #47 &#8211;  oh dear&#8230;</p>
<p>I was going to try  and answer the verious points that  you made in your diatribe but I won&#8217;t since it&#8217;s completely irrelevant to Star Trek and also I suspect  from the tone of your polemic that you&#8217;re not open to reason.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll refrain therefore to merely stating that, in my opinion:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;’I&#8217;ve served overseas and I’ve been to these countrys, these people want to kill us and they are not playing games.&#8221; &#8211; If you&#8217;re an example of the quality of American military personnel then it&#8217;s hardly surprising that &#8220;those&#8221; people want to kill you; and</p>
<p>2. You appear from your post to probably be incapable to reasonable debate and possibly quite deranged. My apologies but there you are&#8230;</p>
<p>Meanwhile back to this episode. &#8211; what amused me was that our Federation historian used the Nazis as an example of an &#8216;efficient&#8217; system to base a society on. Amusing simply because the Nazi state was in fact vanything but efficient, the government comprising a multitude of overlapping organisations whose leaders were continually struggling with each other for power and which viewed each other&#8217;s operations with a great deal of suspicion. Presumably what&#8217;s known of pre-WW3 history got a bit-mangled byt the time of the 23rd century :)</p>
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