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		<title>By: veuylsqksr</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yuppers!...and thats interesting about Bob&#039;s Byron Haskins connection there...I always loved..  The Outer Limits too!

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yuppers!&#8230;and thats interesting about Bob&#8217;s Byron Haskins connection there&#8230;I always loved..  The Outer Limits too!</p>
<p>:-)</p>
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		<title>By: THEETrekMaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>THEETrekMaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaye,

I too am an &quot;old timer&quot; -- i.e., old fan. I also went to the 70&#039;s cons...
I was basing my comments to you off the so-called &quot;First draft&quot;.  First to me means, uhhhh...FIRST! LOL

But, if there IS an earlier draft than that...and one with Gene&#039;s notes on it...I would sure love to read that one! ;-)

I met Bob Justman back in the 90&#039;s and had the opportunity to talk to him pretty in depth...but I failed to ask him about Spock&#039;s Brain.

Guess I should have...but I did manage to talk to him about working with Byron Haskins on The Outer Limits....;-)


TTM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaye,</p>
<p>I too am an &#8220;old timer&#8221; &#8212; i.e., old fan. I also went to the 70&#8217;s cons&#8230;<br />
I was basing my comments to you off the so-called &#8220;First draft&#8221;.  First to me means, uhhhh&#8230;FIRST! LOL</p>
<p>But, if there IS an earlier draft than that&#8230;and one with Gene&#8217;s notes on it&#8230;I would sure love to read that one! ;-)</p>
<p>I met Bob Justman back in the 90&#8217;s and had the opportunity to talk to him pretty in depth&#8230;but I failed to ask him about Spock&#8217;s Brain.</p>
<p>Guess I should have&#8230;but I did manage to talk to him about working with Byron Haskins on The Outer Limits&#8230;.;-)</p>
<p>TTM</p>
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		<title>By: Shaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. These scripts were being sold at a dealers table, and Spock&#039;s Brain with Gene Coon&#039;s writting in the margins and a set of other scripts,  were purchased by Joan Winston of Trek Fan fame, so she would verify and know my words are true, but I have not seen her since 1980.

Poor Gene Coon!, he died so young and never got to live to see all the fun and the crazyness that was attached to his and the othe Gene&#039;s vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. These scripts were being sold at a dealers table, and Spock&#8217;s Brain with Gene Coon&#8217;s writting in the margins and a set of other scripts,  were purchased by Joan Winston of Trek Fan fame, so she would verify and know my words are true, but I have not seen her since 1980.</p>
<p>Poor Gene Coon!, he died so young and never got to live to see all the fun and the crazyness that was attached to his and the othe Gene&#8217;s vision.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; 44  dear trekmaster,

Listen please, i was an official &quot;helper&quot; at the 74-76 Star Trek Conventions in nyc when we had the cons that helped bring Star Trek back, rek Friend,
 I know what was saw  with and those script drafts from several episode and on the top of one draft in Gene Coon&#039;s handwriting was something to the effect of ,... &quot;make this anther tribble show, or light comedy, here..&quot;

So....to me that means that at one time before he wrote the draft you speak of he WAS at least &quot;thinking about it&quot;...making Spocks Brain as the comedy it coulda, and maybe shoulda?...been, Ya think!?

lol

Hey, ...... no fighting here mate, im just an very true, and to be getting an OLDer fan who was there  yes,...remembering the fun-madness of it all at an overpacked ballroom convention at the old Commadore Hotel in NYC!...tone time even helping get a frightened (at the happy crowd) William Shatner,  through  and Majel let e babysit youngr Rod jr..yes, I knew what was said and remember what I saw, ...I have audeo tapes of those conventions, im going to post some of them with pictures and video on you tube.

Yes ...&quot;Spocks Brain&quot; ...was going to be a comdy at first,  if you dont believe me, please just ask Majel Barret, or Bob Justman,...regreatably poor Fred Freiburger died 2 years ago, he can no longer defend himself....seems only a few of us see the genuis of some of his third season work, but it was not this episode....but thats a whole other topic...


Star Trek Lives!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; 44  dear trekmaster,</p>
<p>Listen please, i was an official &#8220;helper&#8221; at the 74-76 Star Trek Conventions in nyc when we had the cons that helped bring Star Trek back, rek Friend,<br />
 I know what was saw  with and those script drafts from several episode and on the top of one draft in Gene Coon&#8217;s handwriting was something to the effect of ,&#8230; &#8220;make this anther tribble show, or light comedy, here..&#8221;</p>
<p>So&#8230;.to me that means that at one time before he wrote the draft you speak of he WAS at least &#8220;thinking about it&#8221;&#8230;making Spocks Brain as the comedy it coulda, and maybe shoulda?&#8230;been, Ya think!?</p>
<p>lol</p>
<p>Hey, &#8230;&#8230; no fighting here mate, im just an very true, and to be getting an OLDer fan who was there  yes,&#8230;remembering the fun-madness of it all at an overpacked ballroom convention at the old Commadore Hotel in NYC!&#8230;tone time even helping get a frightened (at the happy crowd) William Shatner,  through  and Majel let e babysit youngr Rod jr..yes, I knew what was said and remember what I saw, &#8230;I have audeo tapes of those conventions, im going to post some of them with pictures and video on you tube.</p>
<p>Yes &#8230;&#8221;Spocks Brain&#8221; &#8230;was going to be a comdy at first,  if you dont believe me, please just ask Majel Barret, or Bob Justman,&#8230;regreatably poor Fred Freiburger died 2 years ago, he can no longer defend himself&#8230;.seems only a few of us see the genuis of some of his third season work, but it was not this episode&#8230;.but thats a whole other topic&#8230;</p>
<p>Star Trek Lives!</p>
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		<title>By: FredCFO</title>
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		<dc:creator>FredCFO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No way &quot;ST5&quot; could be turned into a better film unless you wrote a new story, had new effects and otherwise totally changed everything about it.

Some problems:

- 23rd Century fart jokes?
- David Lee Roth as a Klingon?
- Row, Row, Row your boat?
- A toilet in the brig?
- They couldn&#039;t get Sean Connery so they got... Lawrence Luckinbill ?
- &quot;Go Climb a Rock&quot; sweat shirt ... in the 23rd Century?
- Scotty and Uhuru?
- Chekov and Sulu looking at a Klingon woman&#039;s ass? (George Takei acting up a storm against type)

Shall I go on? Nothing, nothing would fix this crap...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No way &#8220;ST5&#8243; could be turned into a better film unless you wrote a new story, had new effects and otherwise totally changed everything about it.</p>
<p>Some problems:</p>
<p>- 23rd Century fart jokes?<br />
- David Lee Roth as a Klingon?<br />
- Row, Row, Row your boat?<br />
- A toilet in the brig?<br />
- They couldn&#8217;t get Sean Connery so they got&#8230; Lawrence Luckinbill ?<br />
- &#8220;Go Climb a Rock&#8221; sweat shirt &#8230; in the 23rd Century?<br />
- Scotty and Uhuru?<br />
- Chekov and Sulu looking at a Klingon woman&#8217;s ass? (George Takei acting up a storm against type)</p>
<p>Shall I go on? Nothing, nothing would fix this crap&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: G'thul</title>
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		<dc:creator>G'thul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t find &quot;Spock&#039;s Brain&quot; any worse an episode than something like &quot;The Gamesters of Triskeleon.&quot; Both are pretty silly but that doesn’t make them unwatchable.  I&#039;ll agree it requires more than the usual level of suspension of disbelief but the show is lightweight and moves along fairly well. [I’m also fond of the editing and soaring music when McCoy dons &quot;The Teacher.&quot;]

Far worse are episodes that are little more than a test of endurance - episodes such as &quot;The Lights of Zetar,&quot; &quot;That Which Survives&quot; and &quot;The Alternative Factor.&quot;

The notion of a societal schism in which the technically advanced move underground and enslave the primitives on the surface is, of course, found earlier in H.G. Wells &quot;Time Machine.&quot;  [You say, &quot;Imorg,&quot; I say, &quot;Morlock.&quot;]

Perhaps this episode is the wellspring of Gene Roddenberry&#039;s fascination with female societies that enslave men, as can later be seen in &quot;Planet Earth.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t find &#8220;Spock&#8217;s Brain&#8221; any worse an episode than something like &#8220;The Gamesters of Triskeleon.&#8221; Both are pretty silly but that doesn’t make them unwatchable.  I&#8217;ll agree it requires more than the usual level of suspension of disbelief but the show is lightweight and moves along fairly well. [I’m also fond of the editing and soaring music when McCoy dons "The Teacher."]</p>
<p>Far worse are episodes that are little more than a test of endurance &#8211; episodes such as &#8220;The Lights of Zetar,&#8221; &#8220;That Which Survives&#8221; and &#8220;The Alternative Factor.&#8221;</p>
<p>The notion of a societal schism in which the technically advanced move underground and enslave the primitives on the surface is, of course, found earlier in H.G. Wells &#8220;Time Machine.&#8221;  [You say, "Imorg," I say, "Morlock."]</p>
<p>Perhaps this episode is the wellspring of Gene Roddenberry&#8217;s fascination with female societies that enslave men, as can later be seen in &#8220;Planet Earth.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: THEETrekMaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>THEETrekMaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to add, I hope Shatner gets the chance to improve Star Trek V while he is still willing and able -- and alive to do it. Looks to me like Paramount is wasting valuable time...

But, if they choose to do this then they should definitely get Daren Dochterman back to supervise the rework.  He did and his team did a *ahem* stellar job on ST:TMP!

TTM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to add, I hope Shatner gets the chance to improve Star Trek V while he is still willing and able &#8212; and alive to do it. Looks to me like Paramount is wasting valuable time&#8230;</p>
<p>But, if they choose to do this then they should definitely get Daren Dochterman back to supervise the rework.  He did and his team did a *ahem* stellar job on ST:TMP!</p>
<p>TTM</p>
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		<title>By: THEETrekMaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>THEETrekMaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#43, Star Trek V will always be a flawed film...but it could sure be made more palatable by redoing the effects and giving the film an ending that isn&#039;t (as the released ending was) just cobbled together in the editing room with quick cuts.

The whole film was building up to Shatner&#039;s originally planned ending...and instead it just fizzled out in a whimper of poor editing.

Ebert was right.  Bad films should be given a makeover if there is footage to support the makeover or if redoing visuals will make an impact on how the film is received by audiences.

TTM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#43, Star Trek V will always be a flawed film&#8230;but it could sure be made more palatable by redoing the effects and giving the film an ending that isn&#8217;t (as the released ending was) just cobbled together in the editing room with quick cuts.</p>
<p>The whole film was building up to Shatner&#8217;s originally planned ending&#8230;and instead it just fizzled out in a whimper of poor editing.</p>
<p>Ebert was right.  Bad films should be given a makeover if there is footage to support the makeover or if redoing visuals will make an impact on how the film is received by audiences.</p>
<p>TTM</p>
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		<title>By: THEETrekMaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>THEETrekMaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 03:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#41...read the FIRST DRAFT story treatment I posted here at TrekMovie and then tell me if you think that thing reads like a comedy! Just like the episode that aired...it only has funny lines at the end of the episode.

It&#039;s not a comedy and never was written as such. Maybe he said &quot;I&#039;d like to make a comedy called &quot;Spock&#039;s Brain&quot; but it sure never ended up on paper OR on film as such.

There is nothing in the drafts that resemble anything even approaching The Trouble With Tribbles -- which was written as a comedy/light hearted piece.&quot;

If Spock&#039;s Brain was meant to be a comedy then it&#039;s the single worst piece of comedy committed to film as it&#039;s not funny --- intentionally. The humor from the episode is 90% from the comedic value of bad storytelling, acting and film making!

Like you, I used to buy into the possibility it was written to be a comedy until I read the first draft...then I was convinced it was just poorly conceived and written.

The first place I read an assertion that it was originally planned as a comedy was in Allan Asherman&#039;s Star Trek Compendium...and I consider Allan one of the foremost authorities on Trek out there.  But, he was wrong on this one.  The proof is in the writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#41&#8230;read the FIRST DRAFT story treatment I posted here at TrekMovie and then tell me if you think that thing reads like a comedy! Just like the episode that aired&#8230;it only has funny lines at the end of the episode.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a comedy and never was written as such. Maybe he said &#8220;I&#8217;d like to make a comedy called &#8220;Spock&#8217;s Brain&#8221; but it sure never ended up on paper OR on film as such.</p>
<p>There is nothing in the drafts that resemble anything even approaching The Trouble With Tribbles &#8212; which was written as a comedy/light hearted piece.&#8221;</p>
<p>If Spock&#8217;s Brain was meant to be a comedy then it&#8217;s the single worst piece of comedy committed to film as it&#8217;s not funny &#8212; intentionally. The humor from the episode is 90% from the comedic value of bad storytelling, acting and film making!</p>
<p>Like you, I used to buy into the possibility it was written to be a comedy until I read the first draft&#8230;then I was convinced it was just poorly conceived and written.</p>
<p>The first place I read an assertion that it was originally planned as a comedy was in Allan Asherman&#8217;s Star Trek Compendium&#8230;and I consider Allan one of the foremost authorities on Trek out there.  But, he was wrong on this one.  The proof is in the writing.</p>
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