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Take A Pledge To ‘The Omega Glory’ Remastered Preview June 27, 2007

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StarTrek.com have the preview for this weekend’s "The Omega Glory" Remastered

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1. Russ... a Trek fan from way back - June 27, 2007

Excellent opening shot with both starships in orbit!! Too bad the rest of the episode is light on the effects. Wouldn’t it be cool to see the massive phaser attacks on the people as mentioned in the script, hence the exhausting of the phaser power packs.

Still the opening shot is a beauty.

2. Russ... a Trek fan from way back - June 27, 2007

Who woulda thought I got in a “first” there? LOL… I know I certainly didn’t aim it to be… but it’s a very cool thing nonetheless.

3. ety3 - June 27, 2007

Rather conspicuous by its absence in the preview is any mention whatsoever of the “Yangs” and “Kohms” nonsense.

That preview makes it look like a pretty good episode, but I know better.

4. OV-101 - June 27, 2007

Awsome beauty passes of the two ships. It was actually a pretty decent episode. Can’t wait for Ultimate Computer with all those Starships!!!!

5. Crusade2267 - June 27, 2007

Happy 4th of July everyone… lets all enjoy the most sickeningly patriotic Trek ep of them all!

Nice shot of the Exeter though.

6. Tom - June 27, 2007

I was ready the Star Trek wiki (memory alpha) for this episode. One effect that wa planned, but never produced, was the Exeter medical officer actually dissolving during his log entry. If this were true, perhaps we’ll see that

7. DJT - June 27, 2007

One of my all time favorites.

8. Scott Gammans - June 27, 2007

Crusade2267: Ewww! That’s one effect I don’t need to see. And really, if you think about it, how could CBS Digital possibly do that… the effect would be so grotesque that it might make “The Omega Glory” unsuitable for children to watch.

9. MichaelJohn - June 27, 2007

I think “the shat” is a great actor, but in this episode he really, really “hams it up” at the end of this episode!

The finals scenes were so melodramatic and I remember as a kid “rolling my eyes” as I watched it.

Not the worst epeisode in TOS, but definately one of my least favorties!

Mike :o

10. Magic_Al - June 27, 2007

The clever holiday scheduling almost makes me happy to watch this. Almost. Actually, it’s not too bad until the flag enters and any suspension of disbelief or illusion of Roddenberry as a science-fiction writer is destroyed. From then on, the only way to enjoy the show is to chuckle at the Canadian actor hyperactively selling the US Constitution to aliens, and to give Roddenberry points for being well-intentioned and sincerely patriotic. The message that the words of the Constitution must apply to everyone is never a bad message, after all, and is certainly lost on certain people who currently hold constitutional offices and should know better.

11. Gary Seven - June 27, 2007

All I can say is, for your sake considering how angry past posts have been in the past on this place on political matters, I recommend you raise shields ASAP. Let’s hope raising shields is not necessary, but I fear it may be.

12. Gary Seven - June 27, 2007

Post above (#11) is in regard to #10- Magic Al.

13. FishDS9 - June 27, 2007

I guess they aren’t using NCC1706 for the registry. I see 16 for the first two numbers.

14. JB - June 27, 2007

I for one am looking forward to reciting the Eplebnista. Hail to the Chief!

15. Dick Cheney - June 27, 2007


Now…technically, I’m not a full time employee of any ‘one’ branch of government as outlined in the Constitution. I don’t think that message was meant for me!

16. Magic_Al - June 27, 2007

Gary Seven, my phaser’s on stun, and I don’t think I even fired it. I could not have tweaked unidentified officials any less specifically. Anyone who would blast me for criticizing “their” side must already know something I didn’t say!

17. Penhall - June 27, 2007

Come on people, can we please leave the political garbage and jabs at the Bush administration out of this? It just gets really old. *sigh*

As for the episode, I’ve always enjoyed it for its cool fight scenes with Kirk and Morgan.

18. Anthony Pascale - June 27, 2007

politics = bad

19. Jeffrey S. Nelson - June 27, 2007

The Yangs kept coming and coming. Yikes!

20. Roger - June 27, 2007

The lighting in the scene with the ships looks flat.
Needs more contrast. Planet could use more atmosphere on the edge. Do any of these folk look at NASA images?
Id swear they use a photoshop plugin that makes planets, cuz they all look like the ones I make.

21. Michael Hall - June 27, 2007

#10–definitely agreed.

I’ll definitely be interested in reading Dennis Bailey’s thoughts on the FX, since he got to the Exeter first . (And while you’re at it, Dennis, when do we get to see the next act of “The Tressaurian Intersection,” anyway?) This preview itself is a nice shot, and I have no problem with the look of the two ships in orbit per se, but think that the opening shot in the original, with the Enterprise in the foreground and the Exter off in the distance, was actually more dramatic.

22. TOS Fan Forever - June 27, 2007

FishDS9 called it before I could. Yes, the NCC registry for the Exeter is… wrong.

(This is where we heap tons of praise on Dennis Bailey and his awesome AWESOME CG work for Starship Exeter. NCC-1706 lives on!)

Back to this remastered “The Omega Glory” episode from CBS-Digital: I find myself in a love-hate thing with the opening shot with Enterprise and Exeter orbiting side-by-side. In the original, the distance between the ship positions added to the stigma about the Exeter. Now that the ships are close to one another, the viewer loses what the original episode FX conveyed.

On the flipside, the shot of these two Constitution-class vessels together is an incredible shot: Beautiful lighting, awesome camera work, and near-perfect positioning. Exception work. I’m looking forward to seeing what else has been cleaned up/changed within this episode.

23. TOS Fan Forever - June 27, 2007

Michael Hall, you playing mind reader? (Since we typed similar posts — and posted at the same time.) :-)

24. Jim J (We the people...) - June 27, 2007

#21 + Dennis Bailey:
I’m sure you are sick of hearing us ask, but it’s because the episode itself so far is excellent and your effects are top notch. I WANT TO SEE IT COMPLETED. Too good to let it die! Please, anything we can look forward to on “The Tressaurian Intersection”???

I’m psyched for the Exeter and Enterprise in orbit and more fun things about this show, even if THE SHAT does go way over the top. he had to outdo Morgan W.’s “He was…..CAST OUT!!!!!!!”

25. Harry Ballz - June 27, 2007

When you have two HAMS like Bill and Morgan sweating it up in a fight, is that known as a PIG ROAST?

26. Jeff - June 27, 2007

I never noticed until now, but anyone remember the first episode of Red Dwarf…and what happened to the crew (except for Lister)?

27. Aaron R. (Sisko to the rescue!) - June 27, 2007

I love this eppisode! Always was one of my favs…..

28. Joe Burns - June 27, 2007

Some may remember a TV movie in the early seventies called “Where Have All The People Gone?” with Peter Graves. The idea of people reduced to thier chemical components was lifted straight from “The Omega Glory”, though in WHATPG? it was due to a solar flare while Graves and kids were spelunking. Haven’t seen it since I was a kid, but it had definite creep appeal.

I am always torn about this episode; love the ideas and drama from the first 2 acts and Morgan is great (though not quite the scenery gnasher that Van Gelder was), yet as Magic_Al says, as soon as Old Glory makes his entrance, it’s all over. Love me some flag, but no parallel development is that close (as discussions of Miri brought up last week). As a writer, though, as soon as you decide you can’t hew that closely, you lose the ability to have Kirk recognize the stuff, and you have to re-break the denoument.

The opening shot of TOG was always one I wanted fixed since I was a kid, since they couldn’t have both ships move they had Exeter move, then park, then E comes in, one of TOS’ more obvious FX failures.

Don’t assume the shot in the trailer is the opener for the ep, folks… I have a suspicion we’ll get a closer redo of the old opener. Agree about the flat lighting, but recall some of the “too dark” complaints from earlier eps.

Registry is a puzzler. A minor detail to be sure, yet just the kind of thing that I would expect Okuda to have religion on. Perhaps the thinking was that the similarity to 1701 was a byproduct of reusing a physical model and minimizing the retool, so the original desire would have been more variety if the budget had allowed.

I used to have Shat’s entire WE THE PEOPLE speech on my answering tape. Appropo of nothing.

29. Bart - June 27, 2007

Can’t they come up with sme more interesting planets?? It’s looks like they’ve been using the same one over and over again. And it appears that the atmosphere is missing also??

We’ve seen far more spectacular planets on Voyager and Enterprise…

The two ships look great though.

30. Josh - June 27, 2007

Why is the image flipped at 13 seconds into the promo?

31. AJ - June 28, 2007

As far as Paramount is concerned, the Ex’s registry is NCC 1672

32. spsblue - June 28, 2007

“Ex’s registry is”-used to be-” NCC 1672″ Oh well, they must have changed it when they gave it to Garovick.

33. toddk - June 28, 2007

Didn’t the first officer fall out of the chair after his dire warning on the recording? then whats’s all this nonsense about showing him disolving? I think if you are willing to send Cbs-D a few thousand dollars, they just might do it. Otherwise I’m not expecting such an effect. :)

34. non-fanatic - June 28, 2007

#20 (Roger)
Exactly what I thought on seeing it. The planet doesn’t look real. They rarely seem to add any atmosphere and the orbits are usually too far away. If anything, I’d say they’ve successfully created the look of a couple of models in front of a painted disc. I can’t see a single star either.
I think they’re getting tired of it now and are just doing as little as is necessary to get it done.

35. spsblue - June 28, 2007

I think most of that is the low resolution of the screencaptures. You can hardly see the atmosphere from that height.

36. Decker's Stubble - June 28, 2007

Seeing the two ships together has whetted my appetite for “Ultimate Computer”. As Joe would say on Family Guy, “BRING IT OOOONNNNN!”

37. Decker's Stubble - June 28, 2007

I think Starfleet needs more psych exams for their captains. Both Tracey and Decker in their respective episodes went half-mad. Maybe it’s the “I’ve lost my whole crew” thing, but these guys don’t seem to generally perform well under stress.

38. ENGLISH TREKKER - June 28, 2007

I cannot believe how many people like this rubbish episode! The last 15 mins are intolerable rubbish the distorted playing of the Star Spangled Banner and Shatners stammering rendition of the Constitution.

Add to that it is racist; “Americans” are all portrayed as ethnically white Anglo-Saxon in appearance in contrast to the Yangs.

39. ENGLISH TREKKER - June 28, 2007

I cannot believe how many people like this rubbish episode! The last 15 mins are intolerable rubbish the distorted playing of the Star Spangled Banner and Shatners stammering rendition of the Constitution.

Add to that it is racist; “Americans” are all portrayed as ethnically white Anglo-Saxon in appearance in contrast to the Yangs.

40. JB - June 28, 2007

Not to mention Kirk’s playing fast and loose with the Prime Directive. I say only the eyes of a chief may see the Eplebnista!

41. Decker's Stubble - June 28, 2007

38 and 39: ‘Add to that it is racist; “Americans” are all portrayed as ethnically white Anglo-Saxon in appearance in contrast to the Yangs.’

Actually, the Yangs ARE the “Americans”. Yangs = yankees.

The Khoms are depicted as all asian. Khom = communist.

42. mrregular - June 28, 2007

The preview stops, at least on my browser, on the shot of the remains of the crewman on the floor of the bridge next to the captain’s chair.
Perhaps he died as a result of too much Paris Hilton????

43. Ron - June 28, 2007

Generally agreed that the episode throws any shred of credibility out the window when the flag and the Constitution (complete with identical calligraphy) is brought in. But at the same time it is nice to see Kirk address those artifacts with a degree of reverence – I shudder to think of how this scene would have been written in the Hollywood of today.

#17: Right on! Couldn’t agree more.

#29: It kind of makes sense that many planets in TOS would look the same. You know, Hodgkin’s Law and all. Also there’s only a very limited environmental range that humans can really live comfortably in (must be the correct distance from the sun, must have similar atmospheric chemistry, must have a similar quantity of water available), so it’s at least superficially logical that planets providing that environmental range would look similar. And I suppose superficial logic is better than no logic, right?

#37: The story device of other Starfleet officers going whacko for one reason or another was overdone, but it did make for a few good stories, Doomsday Machine chief among them.

44. Crusade2267 - June 28, 2007

You know, my 11th grade history class began by watching a documentary about the American Dream, and it used a lot of clips from this episode (And bizzarly, Voyager’s “Caretaker”), and interspersed with Shatners constitution reading and debates with Captain Tracy were interviews about what America means. I love America, and despite the country’s problems today (or in the 1960s), the framers of the constitution meant well. Hats off to Roddenberry for keeping alive the spirit of America, even in the midst of so much turmoil.

That said, I don’t like the way the episode hits you over the head with the message. Other TOS eps are much more subtle… even “A Private Little War,” with its discussion of Vietnam is more subtle.

45. Stanky McFibberich - June 28, 2007

So it doesn’t all make sense. It has Morgan Woodward in all his craggy glory.

46. FlyingTigress - June 28, 2007

And written by the Great Bird, himself.

47. Gamma Hydra 4 - June 28, 2007

I wonder if there might be any end-of-episode shots of the Enterprise leaving with the Exeter in tow? Obviously at some point Starfleet recovered the vessel and it would make sense that the Enterprise would bring the ship back with them. Was that ever covered in the “Starship Exeter” Internet based stories?

In any event, it would make for a nice departure shot and I am pretty sure the original episode effects included an end of episode departure shot as most of them did.

48. Olde Timey Fan - June 28, 2007

5. Crusade2267 – June 27, 2007
Happy 4th of July everyone… lets all enjoy the most sickeningly patriotic Trek ep of them all!

Ingrates are free to leave any time you like — no one has put a “phaser” gun to your head to make you stay.

Unlike the Soviet Union and the Maoist People’s Republic of China.

Frankly, the idea of “Eeb pebnista” sends chills down my spine, even now, just thinking of the blood sacrifice of my forefathers. And it’ll be a cold in (you-know-where) before I apologize for being an American.

49. Olde Timey Fan - June 28, 2007

38. ENGLISH TREKKER – June 28, 2007
I cannot believe how many people like this rubbish episode! The last 15 mins are intolerable rubbish the distorted playing of the Star Spangled Banner and Shatners stammering rendition of the Constitution.

Add to that it is racist; “Americans” are all portrayed as ethnically white Anglo-Saxon in appearance in contrast to the Yangs.


Ah yes, when all else fails, call the hated honky a “racist”. God deliver us from those such as you.

And remember, “anti-racism”, “internationalism” and “The New Soviet Man” are COMMUNIST/BOLSHEVIK/Frankfurt School propaganda. As an Englishman, you should be ashamed to mindlessly spout such insulting pablum.

(Next thing, you’ll have “The Star Spangled Banner” will be overdubbed by “The Internaionale”.)

Sign me:


Gotta problem with that? Come meet me in Philadelphia any time you’ve got the backbone.

50. CmdrR. - June 28, 2007

E-Plabnista, that’s cool!

51. Dennis Bailey - June 28, 2007

#48: “Ingrates are free to leave any time you like — no one has put a “phaser” gun to your head to make you stay.”

Everyone will be staying, thanks – you’ve never done a damned thing that entitles you to insist otherwise.

“Gotta problem with that? Come meet me in Philadelphia any time you’ve got the backbone.”

And you can knock that off, too. You’re just another lippy “Internet Tough Guy;” no one with a brain is either persuaded or impressed.

52. tronnei - June 28, 2007

Just a reminder, this was one of three episodes pitched to NBC for the second pilot (“Mudd’s Women” was the third). Can’t imagine the show would have been picked up if Omega Glory was filmed in 1965 instead of WNMHGB.

Roddenberry’s inspiration for this episode was a trip to Washington DC and a tour of the monuments.

And as for mad Starfleet captains, don’t forget Captain Garth.

53. Crusade2267 - June 28, 2007

48: I am not unpatriotic. I love my country, and I know that what we’ve got here is a pretty darn good thing. I do not object to the spirit or the message of the episode. My critique is literary… I call this “sickeningly patriotic” because there is no subtlety to it. How likely is it that the constitution, the american flag, and a battle with communism would be so exactly duplicated on another planet? As I said earlier, other episodes of TOS managed to get their points across in a more elagant way. Let that be your last Battlefield. A private Little War. Errand of Mercy. These episodes all have clear messages, but they are done in such a way that the story is believable.

I was watching an episode of Sliders recently. J. Edgar Hoover had taken over the U.S., declaired martial law, and edited the constitution to suit his own needs. In the end, the Sliders leave a copy of the unedited Constitution on a hard drive at a computer store, where people start reading it. And then more read it. And more. And that is the most beautiful use of the Constitution in a piece of Televised science fiction.

I love the constitution. I love America. I just can’t stand bad writing, and thats what my first post meant to complain about. If that wasn’t clear, I appologize.

54. John Doe - June 28, 2007

The planets and the ships look awesome! AWESOME!! Completely PHOTOREAL!!! Those guys at CBS digital are magicians!

55. Captain Pike - June 28, 2007

I’m not an American but I don’t have a problem with the celebration of the freedoms in the US constitution.

I just find that Omega Glory stretchs even my suspense of disbelief. Not only did the Omega planet have a 20th century cold war between capitalist America and the Communist bloc, it had it centuries before Earth’s own 20th century. Remember – the Khom villager says he is over 1000 years old!

In my own attempt to rationalize things, I’ve classified Miri’s planet, Roman world and the Omega planet as experiments set up by some higher race.

56. Commodore Z - June 28, 2007

I wouldn’t describe “The Omega Glory” as “sickeningly” patriotic, but I think it lacks any kind of entertaining cleverness in its message. It was, as my writer friends would say, too “on the nose.”

#52: Where did you hear about “The Omega Glory” being inspired by a Roddenberry trip to Washington, DC?

57. John Gill - June 28, 2007

Hold one…you people are give this episode a “sickeningly 21st Century” viewing.

Need I remind you that this was an American Television program from a time when there were only THREE MAJOR NETWORKS and where most shows would run and the be shelved? Likely to never be shown again. Not the monolithlic canonical almost “Bible” like mythos that surround Trek now.

Thus, these shows had to make a mark to the viewers…and they had only one shot…unless another season was picked up for a rerun in the summer or during a rain delay.

May I remind you all that this was for an American Audience. Had it been on the BBC likely it not would had another flavor? Should I be offended by Mr Bean, because the steering wheels are on “the wrong side” or “the whole world is British?”

Lastly, we all know that Gene Roddenberry was trying to attack social issues…the Cold War being one of them.

Many of you sound like something I head in an Episode of Futarama…

“Your lyrics lack subtlety. You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!”

-Robot Devil, to Fry about the lyric of an Opera he wrote for Leela on his Holophoner.

58. amhoyle - June 28, 2007

What’s with the flipped or mirrored shot of the landing party… hope that is just a mistake in the trailer…

59. Lord Garth Formerly of Izar - June 28, 2007

Speaking of Exeter – Hulk Dennis, any word on when my beloved Starship Exeter continues it’s battle against the evil Tressurians??????

This episode was always one of my favorites. Morgan Woodward plays such an excellent fevershily sweaty lunatic!!!!

60. CmdrR. - June 28, 2007

Help me out… need a list of Mad Captains, Bad Captains and Dead Captains…

Mad Cap’ns:

Bad Cap’ns:
Doofusboy on the B in Generations

Dead Cap’ns:
Excalibur’s (name?)
Defiant’s (name?)

I’m forgetting legions… let’s keep this to TOS and TOS movies… or not.
Dup and add, oh collectors of lists.

61. CmdrR. - June 28, 2007

more deadies:

Farragut’s Capn. Garovick
Valiant’s Capn. (name?)

and the Capn. of the Horizon was probably a baddie for leaving The Book behind

62. Diabolik - June 28, 2007

I have a soft spot in my heart for this episode due to the memories I associate with it.

When I was about 12, the Star Trek Viewmaster reels, which featured this episode, came into my possession, and I would gaze at the images for hours. I couldn’t watch ST at home due to restrictive parents, but I loved it from what I had read of it (the Godl Key comics), the animated show ) which I could watch, it being on Saturday morning, and the couple of novels I had.

I am looking forward to seeing it remastered with new effects!

63. tronnei - June 28, 2007

>>#52: Where did you hear about “The Omega Glory” being inspired by a Roddenberry trip to Washington, DC?>Bad Cap’ns:
Doofusboy on the B in Generations

64. tronnei - June 28, 2007

#52: Where did you hear about “The Omega Glory” being inspired by a Roddenberry trip to Washington, DC?

I think it’s in Roddenberry’s official bio book “Star Trek Creator”.

Bad Cap’ns:
Doofusboy on the B in Generations

Also known as Captain Cameron

65. Mark 2000 - June 28, 2007

I don’t know how Trek fans can be so anti-politics. The whole show has always been political, that is until DS9, where it was still political but not really relevant and Voyager what never really anything at all.

Besides, this episode is so back handedly patriotic. While its true it bends to racist stereo types at times, the blond yangs are obviously dumb and we learn very little about the Khoms. And these so called Yangs are SO dumb they recite their great ideals without ever understanding them. If that’s not applicable to most modern Americans I don’t know what is. So the ending is tacky, but it fits.

As I look at some of the postings above that criticize Crusader and English Trekker I can imagine those critics could probably learn something from such a point blank message.

66. tronnei - June 28, 2007

Let me amend #64. Roddenberry’s inspiration is noted in The Omega Glory entry on Memory Alpha:

“This episode was written by Roddenberry after he had been to Washington, DC. Apparently, he was so moved by the US Constitution, as well as other artifacts from early American history, he wanted an episode to reflect American pride, yet at the same time look at how things could have turned out if the Cold War, which was still going on at the time, had gone badly for the world.”

Who knows if this is true.

67. Captain Pike - June 28, 2007

“Help me out… need a list of Mad Captains, Bad Captains and Dead Captains…”

My personal favorite loser Captain.

Bad & Dead Cap’n:

Capt. J.T. “Call Starfleet Before Raising the Shields” Esteban of Search for Spock.

68. John Gill - June 28, 2007

The Point of the Episode is when people fight and loose track of 1) the reasons they are fighting, 2) loss of the reasons why “you” are fighting.

The commentary is actually that “the sacred words” had lost the meaningfulness and all that we left was rethoric.

The same can be said for any person who attends church merely “going through the motions” and expecting some for of slavation or sho takes a oath with no thought or when one pledges their support to a Constitution, be that the US Consitution or the English Constitution via Common Law.

That is the message…it was an allegory. And this was a Roddenberry creation.

69. jonboc - June 28, 2007

Love this episode! The “tied at the wrist, knock down, drag out, fight to the death” between Tracy and Kirk alone is worth the price of admission. And Tracy, man, what a delightfully corrupt bad-ass. Yeah, the ending is a bit corny, parallels are one thing, but exact duplicates..? Oh well, aside from the ending, this episode has always been a fav. From the humor of Kirk and Spock in the cell, while Kirk fights the yangs, to the great lighting, to the big showdown at the end between good and evil, this is one hell of a good ride. If you can’t enjoy this episode because of a flag and some patriotic grandstanding…your loss.

70. Crusade2267 - June 28, 2007

I read that it was inspired by the Lincoln Memorial on the back of a trading card made by Skybox in 94. The picture was of the Enterprise and a few F-16s flying over the Statue of Liberty

71. Michael Hall - June 28, 2007

Gene Roddenberry often mentioned that “The Omega Glory” didn’t turn out the way he’d intended. Bear in mind that it was orginally written as a possible second pilot episode, which really shows in the final product–all of the characters exist pretty much to fulfill story functions that have little to do with their personas that had developed over two seasons: Kirk to pontificate about the Constitution, Spock to look like the Devil, and McCoy to find a cure. It’s not a total failure as an episode–the opening moments on the Exeter are suitably creepy and suspenseful, and the mystery of what’s going on with the planet’s society and Tracy’s delusions of selling immortality to the highest bidder are interestingly handled. (In deference to our host’s desire to keep politics out of these discussions I’ll just note Kirk’s statement that the rights enumerated in the Consitution must apply to everyone, friend and foe alike, or they are meaningless, speaks for itself.) But when that tattered flag and the Star Spangled Banner are trotted out the whole premise of the show falls apart into kitsch, a “Bread and Circuses” gone terribly wrong. Gene could be a brilliant writer on occasion, but nothing points to his limitations better than the last act of “The Omega Glory.”

(And nice smackdown of a blowhard, Bailey, but c’mon, give. How do these new FX strike you, and what’s up with “Tressaurian?”)

72. Diabolik - June 28, 2007

The premise would have made more sense had the inhabitants been actual Earth colonists that had degenerated over the years. The parallel development thing was stretched waaaay too far.

73. Diabolik - June 28, 2007


What? Um…

74. Diabolik - June 28, 2007

Yes, the end with Kirk’s speech is corny….but danged if it didn’t give me the chills when I last saw it some years ago! I wonder if it still will.

75. John Doe - June 28, 2007

zoom zoom, zoom zoom!

76. Anthony Pascale - June 28, 2007

Mark 2000

I am not anti-politics, in fact I have a number of political views on a variety of topics. But this site is not for politics. Some discussion of the show’s politics is warranted because there certainly were political issues involved. But I do not want to see silly partisan fighting break out here.

77. Fred Blogs - June 28, 2007

#54 Jon Doe
“The planets and the ships look awesome! AWESOME!! Completely PHOTOREAL!!! Those guys at CBS digital are magicians!”

Yes, I agree, they’re almost TOO real. (laughing out load, though not literally laughing out loud, just pretending to laugh out loud so that you know that I know that you’re being sarcastic. Also, I don’t laugh out loud anyway.)

“Should I be offended by Mr Bean, because the steering wheels are on “the wrong side”…”
My steering wheel’s on that side and it seems to work. Do you think I should have it moved?

78. John Gill - June 28, 2007

76. Anthony Pascale – June 28, 2007

Amen, there are countless forums for that (political infighting) elsewhere.

79. Al - June 28, 2007

My only real problem with the episode is that I can never see how the phrase “We the people” could possible verbally evolve into “Eplebnista.”

80. John Gill - June 28, 2007

77. Fred Blogs – June 28, 2007

Ah… the constant need to “Take things out of context.” With some every detail must be pointed out.

OK… here is what that phrase means…

1) The show was produced for an American audience, thus, its focus was on American government and the COLD WAR politics of the day.

2) Many Brits on here, as well as other non-Americans, seem to be “bent out of shape” that the American Flag and other elements of American Patriotism were shown. This is because the original audience was AMERICANs.

3) From the American persepective, many British Conventions are “wrong” in accordance with how it is done in America. For example, if I say Football, to an American audience it means totally a different thing than if I was addressing a crowd in London or Oxford.

Now, you can get into a fit about your bloody steering wheel, or you can move on to the concept.

81. Craig P - June 28, 2007

This episode clearly highlights TOS’s “Wagon Train to the Stars” priority on character exploration, action and adventure (fellow Starship captain betrays the Federation for all the wrong reasons, internal crew conflict, good “Yanks” versus bad “Kohms”, lots of flying drop kicks) over TNG’s utopian alien of the week style exploration priority (can anyone see the TNG crew confronting this situation?) which I hope is taken into account by the Trek XI team.

As unbelievable as it was I still found the Yank versus Kohm conflict there far more interesting then say any of the bland alien of the week planets we got in Voyager minus all the money spent on makeup – then again that could have been the cool renegade starship commander plot keeping me awake. I mean we did get some exploration of the human condition – would the Constitution survive if the US lost WW3?

82. Michael - June 28, 2007

You know, what you should try and recount is the good Captains. Seems like all the Captains and Admirals in TOS and the other shows for that matter were all bad and only our heroes are good.

83. Fred Blogs - June 28, 2007

#80 John Gill
I was convinced you must have been referring to another post until I read:
“Now, you can get into a fit about your bloody steering wheel, or you can move on to the concept.”

(which I didn’t understand anyway).

Still, not to worry.

84. John Gill - June 28, 2007

Suppose a “The Preservers” like group moved a group of mid-20th century humans from both sides of the Cold War to a distant planet in the past to observe the outcome without destroying the “control?” (sort of a Gary Seven meets Savage Curtain)

The result was a “self-preservation” mentality that resulted in each side developing to the point in their science overtaking the situation.

That would explain why most people whould have no real historical memory of the events and why the documentation was the same.
That would also show why there is less racial diversity, if a smaple of these people…say 1000 or so from both sides, were seeded there.

That is as plausable as “SPACE INDIANS,” “ABRAHAM LINCOLN In SPACE” and “300 year old kids IN SPACE.”

85. Kev - June 28, 2007

Good Captain/Commodore=Bob Wesley, TUC/TOS

86. Ron - June 28, 2007

#71: Nice effort to slip an anti-Bush jab under the radar. But, regardless of what Kirk says in the episode, I have to call BS on one point. Recall that the Constitution begins “We the people of the United States of America…establish this Constitution *for the United States of America.*” (my emphasis.) Nothing in my reading of the Constitution has ever suggested that either the system of government or the rights enshrined therein apply to “everyone” (the nation’s enemies for example). That hardly makes those rights meaningless, simply that the Constitution is limited in scope to a particular nation and its citizens.

87. John Gill - June 28, 2007

83. Fred Blogs – June 28, 2007

Let’s jut put it to rest…eh?

88. KT - June 28, 2007

They need to fix the mirrored shot of Kirk and crew….seen about halfway through the teaser.

As for the opening effects shot…I don’t know. I don’t particularly care for the cartoonish look of this particular scene.

89. Fred Blogs - June 28, 2007

“Let’s jut put it to rest…eh?”

As I said: “not to worry”.

90. SteveinSF - June 28, 2007

It was a 1960’s TV SCI FI show. Hell, Lost in Space had the whacky Carrot guy. Seeing the American flag was for shock value and meant to freak us out a bit. I also think the whole story was to get the audience to think about the futility of war.

But hey, this episode still has us talking about it and thinking about the United States Constitution–a document that appears to be overlooked by so many of the political leaders we have in office these days.

I really liked the original shot of the Enterprise stationary outside of the orbiting Exeter. That rear shot of the Enterprise is one of TOS’s best SFX shots.

91. John Gill - June 28, 2007

90. SteveinSF – June 28, 2007

“That rear shot of the Enterprise is one of TOS’s best SFX shots. ”

I agree…that is one of the best shots.

92. Michael Hall - June 28, 2007


“Anti-Bush jab under the radar”? LOL–Yeah, that’s a good one. But if you insist that the rights enumerated in the Constitution don’t apply to everyone, you’ll have to take that up with Bush himself, who insists that they do–so long as they’re delivered courtesy of bomb and bullet and Willey Pete and not Red Cross inspectors and lawyers who work pro bono for Human Rights Watch. Or you can take it up with one James T. Kirk, who was making what should be the noncontroversial point that the words a civilization supposedly cherishes on an ancient piece of paper are meaningless if their spirit isn’t enacted in the real world. As ham-fisted as that speech was, your quasi-legalistic hair-splitter of a response just goes to show how many have lost that perspective these days.

93. Oceanhopper - June 28, 2007

Just to sound off as a fellow non-American….

First time I saw it , it was just a “WTF?” reaction.
Reflecting back on it, I have no problem with them idolising the US Constitution. This ep actually encouraged me to look it up years ago, and it is indeed a document to be proud of.

Of course the whole same flag, same words, (same *signatures* for heaven’s sake) but different planet, strains credibility beyond belief. It essentially is a parallel universe story, and so crazy alien experiment in planet duplication sounds as good to me as anything.

Two observations:
Cute how Kirk, the most well-read guy on the ship, gets lucky and recognises not just the words of the Constitution (which he is bound to have read about), but even picks it out of a garbled Latin recital. Dude must have read classics at college.

Nice that Kirk is so passionate in telling the Yangs that paying lip service to the words of the Constitution means nothing if you don’t actually respect the spirit of the thing. I wish someone would give the current US administration that same lecture!

94. Ron - June 28, 2007

Since it’s clear a meaningful discussion won’t occur here, and because Anthony has already expressed his desire to avoid political squabbling, I’ll let your remarks stand on whatever merits and logic the reader finds or doesn’t find in them without additional comment. But I will re-state my original point, which is supported by the document itself: the Constitution clearly states whose rights and freedoms it guarantees, and it is not “everyone.”

95. Michael Hall - June 28, 2007

Yes, your method of “letting {my} remarks stand without further comment” is about as honest as Bush informing those honor students yesterday that his administration doesn’t condone torture. It’s pretty obvious at this point that both forms of dishonesty stem from the same source, and for the same reasons. What’s really interesting about all this is that you went out of your way to interpret my reiteration of Kirk’s contention that the rights enumerated under the Constitution applied to everyone as a dig at George Bush, even though I never mentioned The Decider’s name at all. Again–if you don’t agree with the good Captain’s opinion that talk about human rights is not subject to the hatreds and passions of the moment (or the whims of a chief executive), take it up with him, or Gene Roddenberry’s ghost. And I’ll leave it to you to figure out what inspires this level of defensiveness in those like yourself who support this administration and its policies, since it’s really not my problem.

96. John Gill - June 28, 2007

Anthony, lock this topic. It is obvious they guys can’t rise above petty political agendism.

97. JB - June 28, 2007

Gentlemen, with repsect, you’re missing the point. Only the eyes of a chief can see the Eplebnista. Unclench.

98. Michael Hall - June 28, 2007

While much about politics is indeed petty, Professor Gill, agendas most certainly are not, since they (unlike, say, fictional TV shows and characters) tend to affect the lives of millions of people, for better or worse. I’m surprised you would forget that–but then, I suppose even historians can sometimes forget the lessons of history.

99. Mark 2000 - June 28, 2007

#94, if you consider the declaration of independence to be a founding document then apparently all men a created equal and are bestowed inalienable rights. But that’s just my interpretation.

100. Dr. Cheis - June 28, 2007

The preview looked bland to me. The colors were really washed out. I Did they accidentally use the un-remastered video after the new space shot?

101. mrregular - June 28, 2007

I’m as patriotic as the next guy. I love our Flag, and our Constitution.
However, throwing them into the final act of this episode stretches believability to the breaking point, as others have said. Gene Roddenberry was a great man in a lot of ways but his final act in this episode was “phoned in”. The mark of a great TOS episode, or any great Trek episode of any generation, is the ability to remain believable despite the outer space circumstances. The Omega Glory gets off to a good start but falters in the end, and regrettably so.
When I was a kid I used to have this episode as a viewmaster oval slide set that you could view in those binocular-type lenses that rendered the scene in vivid 3-d detail..anybody remember those viewmasters?

102. The Lensman - June 28, 2007

When I was a kid, I thought this was a cool ep. How can any ep with another starship (and one who’s crew has turned to powder) not be cool?!

I grew up and became less enamored of the final act (not the fight scene….that still rocks!) I think it’s mainly the skewed version of the Star Spangled Banner that hurts it for me, not the parallel world aspect. Growing up in the 70’s we had all kinds of whacked out concepts thrown at us from things beyond Trek…..(Space:1999) and we didn’t mind it. Or I didn’t. Frankly, I get tired of this over-analyzation of fictional stuff.

As a kid, I didn’t care about how this was a duplicate world, it just was.

If I had to explain it as an adult, well as others have said, higher forms of life may created duplicate earths for whatever reason (and since in the Trek universe there *are* multiple Earths, who says we’re on the “real” one?) or maybe there was some sort of spatial phenom that Earth passed through and duplicates were created as this thing moved away?

I dunno….I just don’t care. I don’t have a problem with multiple Earths in one universe or parallel development. It’s one of the hallmarks of the original Trek and that’s why I consider it to be in it’s own universe. It’s a universe where anything can happen, by writers who weren’t afraid to really use their imagination.

And aside from a weak last act, this is my favorite “Prime Directive” story.

103. Harry Ballz - June 28, 2007

Face it, Roddenberry was a hack! Other than coming up with the BASIC PREMISE of “Wagon Train In Space”, he stunk up the place with his “writing”. His motto was, “run out of story…use allegory”. Anybody read Star Trek Movie Memories? Roddenberry fought everybody’s creative ideas “tooth and nail” because he was jealous and insecure. Sheez, if he was trying to make it in Hollywood TODAY, he wouldn’t stand a chance!!!

104. SteveinSF - June 28, 2007


That “hack” created the most popular and long lived television series/concept to date. I’d say he kicked ass!

105. T in HI - June 28, 2007

(Geek warning flashing)

1. Exeter registry: NCC-1672 is considered canon. It’s in the official Star Trek Encyclopedia and on startrek.com. NCC-1706 is from Franz Joseph. Franz Joseph is NOT canon.

2. Like the Constellation patch on Decker’s uniform in TDM, the assignment patch of the Exeter is cool! Much cooler then the basic booring arrowhead design of the Enterprise patch. Whomever designed them (Bill Theiss? Matt Jeffries?) was realy into 60’s art deco abstractions. I’d love to know what they really symbolically represent. My guess? Well, to the undescerning eye, the Conny’s patch looks like a pretzel, but it actually appears to be some sort of heavenly body moving through the stars. The Exeter might be a stylized group of stars with sunrays connecting them (not the rediculous looking wavy lines that we see on modern day cheap replicas).

Each patch is totally dissimilar to the Enterprise patch in texture and color, as well a shape. Alas, none of the various reproductions of either has come close to the production versions. Ever seen the ones sold on eBay? What crap! Too bad… even STARSHIP EXETER drops the ball here… as well as on the registry… it’s little details like these are appeal to our geekdom..

BTW, the effects folks at STARSHIP EXETER are vunderbar; they could certainly teach the Star Trek Remastered effects folks a thing or two on how to present a believable looking CGI Constitution Class starship….

106. David B. - June 28, 2007

93. Good points. If the Yangs had walked in with an old British flag, would Kirk be able to recite the Magna Carta?

107. Harry Ballz - June 28, 2007

#104 Roddenberry….I’d say he kicked ass!
Don’t get me wrong…I love Star Trek, but that doesn’t alter the fact that Roddenberry was an alcoholic, womanizing, arrogant prick! Talk about a “one trick pony”! Other than fluking it with the basic concept of Trek (which people then extrapolated on and took further than he EVER could have in HIS lifetime), what the hell else did this ex-cop create or accomplish, other than to piss off the local Hollywood talent? Don’t you hate it when someone comes up with the germ of an idea, it’s then embellished and improved on by more talented individuals, only then to have it reclaimed by the dick whose only claim to fame was coming up with the BASIC premise to begin with? Ideas are a “dime a dozen” created over beers at the local pub, writing the scripts is THE HARD PART!!! RODDENBERRY WAS NEVER GOOD AT THAT!!!!!!!!!

108. non-fanatic - June 29, 2007

#34 (me)
I’ve just looked at the image from this episode in the remastered gallery at startrek.com, and yes, it does look much better than the above 1st frame of the probably highly compressed preview.

109. ENGLISH TREKKER - June 29, 2007

49. Olde Timey Fan – June 28, 2007

‘And remember, “anti-racism”, “internationalism” and “The New Soviet Man” are COMMUNIST/BOLSHEVIK/Frankfurt School propaganda. As an Englishman, you should be ashamed to mindlessly spout such insulting pablum.’

#41 The key word in my statement is ‘contrast’
#49 Steady on! I only expressed an opinion, maybe this episode plays better to the American public. By the way, Star Trek is “anti-racism”, pro “internationalism” and even slightly “communist”, after all there is no money in ST:TOS!

#49: You state that:

110. Craig P - June 29, 2007


While all of Star Trek is “anti-racism”, TOS certainly is NOT pro “internationalism” / “communism” (while TNG certainly IS).

In TOS the Federation is presented as more NATO than UN (Journey to Babel with the Andorians and Vulcans having an internal dispute), “Trouble with Tribbles” shows Cyarano Jones selling Tribbles and the need for dilithium crystals was an often used plot! And clearly the show was pro-US *cough* Federation over the Soviets *cough* Klingon Empire. If anything TOS was unrealistically pro-US in the 1960s that it was predicting that they would win the Cold War….. which ironically they did.

Not saying TOS is better than TNG, just that these differences should be respected lest we end up with a TNGized TOS movie which would be horrible IMHO (while a TNG TNG movie would be great while a TOSized TNG movie would suck)! Just look at Enterprise………..

111. Michael Hall - June 29, 2007

Mr. Balz. . . not to put too much starch in your jockstrap, but you just don\’t know what you\’re talking about. That “hack” Gene Roddenberry won the Writers Guild of America award for a Have Gun Will Travel years before the starship Enterprise was a gleam in his eye, back in the days when he was one of the hottest freelancers working in Hollywood. And even if that weren\’t the case, and he hadn\’t written “The Menagerie,” come up with many of the concepts behind many of the first season\’s best episodes, and pesonally re-written many of the scripts before they went in front of the cameras, you\’d still be wrong.

A hack, after all, is not necessarily someone who doesn\’t have any talent, but rather a person who churns out work without caring about the quality of what they produce. Since Star Trek represented, first and foremost, an honest attempt to bring adult-level space opera to a mass audience for the first time in TV history, by definition it couldn\’t have been the product of a hack–if all Roddenberry wanted was to produce a space show and make some money, he could have done it just like Irwin Allen and spared himself all those battles with NBC and Paramount.

In later years, sure, it would be fair to say that his talents as a writeer severely eroded, and his judgements about what constituted good drama were compromised by ideology–at that point he was no longer just a writer, or a producer, but in some ways the head of a worldwide cult. Which is why TNG only flowered after new producers who could work within the show\’s format were brought in. But there\’s just no question that TOS was at its best in the early days when he was most heavily involved, and as great of a line producer as Gene Coon was, when Roddenberry backed off in the second season the quality of the show clearly suffered for it. We\’ll never know what the third season could have been like if he had kept his promise to re-engage with the show if the network gave him a decent time slot, but few think it wouldn\’t have been a vast improvement over what the audience did get.

Craig P–the notion that the Federation was a spacebound U.N. was commonly written about when the show was first aired. (What, you think the present-day U.N. has no internicine squabbles?) As for the show being “pro-U.S.”–well, if the crew of the Enterprise represented America, it was in many respects an idealized version of it, as an example of what we could and should be. And when it wasn\’t idealized, the obvious lesson was that the crew had as much to learn as they had to teach. I\’m not so sure that\’s pro-anything but humanity.

112. Diabolik - June 29, 2007

One of the nwatest things about the old Viewmaster reel presentation was that they didn’t use the original ship effects shots, but REDID it with AMT models and special lighting! I thought that was so cool,that when I actually SAW the episode, it was jarring that the effects were not the same!

The were remastering the effects before it was cool!

113. Diabolik - June 29, 2007

And I meant “neatest” not “nwatest.” :)

114. Diabolik - June 29, 2007

Herre is an excellent recap of the Viewmaster ST reels!


115. Harry Ballz - June 29, 2007

#111 Thank you, Mr. Hall, that was both a lucid and reasonable argument you put forward to effectively counter my observation. I appreciate you taking the time to write it. Well said!
Roddenberry, for some reason, has always been a “burr under my saddle”! I guess I’ve never cared for arrogance, even when there’s a modicum of talent to back it up!

116. Ron - June 29, 2007

#99: I certainly consider the Declaration of Independence to be a founding document, and I do believe it when it says that *all* human beings are granted unalienable rights by God. I wasn’t disputing that and I apologize if I misworded my comments to construe otherwise. That could be where Michael is a little confused – the Declaration declares certain universal human rights, while the Constitution is the document that outlines how the *United States* will guarantee those rights and freedoms *for its citizens*. It might be “hair-splitting” but that’s how it is.

117. non-fanatic - June 29, 2007

#110 craig P
“If anything TOS was unrealistically pro-US in the 1960s that it was predicting that they would win the Cold War….. which ironically they did.”

I’m just curious. Assuming that what you say is true, how is it ironic?

118. Craig P - June 29, 2007

Ironic in the sense that the US during production of Star Trek was NOT fairing so good during the Cold War (lost Vietnam, lost Cuba, lost China, lost most of Africa and the Middle East and losing the space race) that I think it would have been fair to say that TOS was unrealistically coming out pro-US winning the Cold War….. the irony of course here being that the US did ultimately win the Cold War (in a rather TOS manner too).

Of course this was capitalized on in Star Trek VI…. as usual Nicholas Meyer understood the “Wagon Train to the stars” concept of TOS in exploring the human condition and ran with it. I also bet that Meyer would do a lousy TNG movie given that elements he liked (Horatio Hornblower in space) were ultimately thrown out in TNG.

I think the best example of this shift is from the Enterprise clearly being described by Roddenbery as a “Heavy Crusier” to the TNG Enterprise being a “Explorer”, families and all. I feel this was actually promoted by Roddenbery on purpose to “throw out” TOS.

119. Michael Hall - June 29, 2007

Jeez, Craig P. The TOS Enterprise, both in the show’s format and as realized in 79 aired episodes, was described as a vessel of exploration, equipped with the armaments necessary to back up its diplomatic and peace-keeping functions. Never was it intended to be seen primarily as a gunboat–at least, until Nick Meyer got his somewhat revisionist hands on it–and never in all those episodes did anyone in Starfleet ever refer to the ship as a “cruiser,” heavy or otherwise. (The closest would have been Anan-7 in “A Taste of Armageddon” referring to it as a “star cruiser,” which obviously wasn’t meant as a military designation.) And while Kirk did refer to himself on the eve of an all-out war as a “soldier, not a diplomat,” on another occasion he also noted that he was at present primarily an explorer, not a warrior.

Just curious, btw–exactly how were Cuba, Africa, China, the Middle East and Southeast Asia “ours” to “lose” in the first place?

120. KT - June 29, 2007

In the original Viewmaster presentation of this episode, there is a scene of Kirk leaning over the communications console, with Uhura seated there looking down at a document in a three-ring binder. It’s the script!

121. KT - June 29, 2007

Don’t know if this has been mentioned, but you may want to download Google Sketchup 6, then do a Google search for “Starship Enterprise Sketchup” You will find a sketchup (3D) version of the Enterprise (by “Russ”) which you can load into Google Sketchup and view from any angle or distance you desire. Very cool.

122. Anthony Pascale - June 29, 2007

i really cannot believe that you people have this much to say about such a mediocre episode….i am not even going to read it all….I just hope you are behaving yourselves….someone send me a tip if there is something over the line

123. Craig P - June 29, 2007

119. Michael Hall – Sorry man, don’t mean to nag but the chance that a new TOS movie but end up being revised TNG style is just too scary, especially after Enterprise (which if had been done TOS style could have been great!!).

On the subject – yes the TOS Enterprise explored but styled as a NAVAL VESSEL just as the British / French frigates once were so tasked. Clear effort was made by Roddenbery to make it Horatio Hornblower in space with naval / military terminology. She clearly is a “heavy crusier” on a mission to patrol and explore, not a NASA / exploration only mission. There is a military hierarchy, there is conflict between the exploratory and military arms of the service, etc.

TNG on the other hand tried desperate to get away from that to the point Roddenbery shoved families on the “Explorer” class vessel.

It truely from a plot point of view scares me that we are going to get a movie in the TNG style of a more “NASA team work oriented” crew on the TOS “Horatio Hornblower in space” dynamic – it just isn’t going to work!!!

Just like Enterprise – why go to the trouble to make a prequal of the series to get away from the utopianism nature of TNG for a more action/adventure optimisic nature of TOS….. and then end up writing more TNG?!?!?!?!

124. Redshirt - June 29, 2007

I couldn’t help but think that could have been a great desktop image on the Official Site. . I like that shot of the Exeter and the Enterprise in orbit together. I just like the idea of Starfleet Captain just losing it. And as far as the Parellell Worlds episodes go this quite nicely.

125. Redshirt - June 29, 2007

I couldn’t help but think that could have been a great desktop image on the Official Site. . I like that shot of the Exeter and the Enterprise in orbit together. I just like the idea of Starfleet Captain just losing it. And as far as the Parallel Worlds episodes go this works quite nicely.

126. Michael Hall - June 29, 2007

Craig P–

With all due respect, you keep citing Horatio Hornblower as if Roddenberry’s childhood affection for that series and his acknowledgement of it as an obvious influence really meant that all that was involved in the creation of Star Trek was substituting a tin can in space for a Royal Navy frigate. Sorry, but that’s no more true than saying that “Master and Commander” was based on Trek because the captain and his chief medical officer had a very similar relationship.

Yes, naval ships did engage in some scientific exploration on occasion, but that was entirely secondary to their role in defending British interests, whereas the situation with the TOS Enterprise (or the TNG version, for that matter) was precisely the opposite. Starfleet was supposed to be a paramilitary organization, not a military one, as described in “The Making of Star Trek,” written during the show’s second season, long before Gene’s revisionist utopianism kicked-in. As for “Wagon Train,” many years ago Harlan Ellison noted in an introduction to his original script for “City on the Edge of Forever” that this often-cited “inspiration” was simply Gene’s shorthand method of explaining his show’s premise to “idiotic” network execs in a way they could understand. For truly, what is “Wagon Train” about TOS? Aside from the idea of pushing back the boundaries of the frontier (and the western vibe you get from “Mudd’s Women”), not much–you could actually argue that TNG, with its families along for the rewards and dangers of the trip, is actually a closer comparison.

Trek was never supposed to really be “Hornblower” or “Wagon Train to the Stars,” not from the very first, however much Gene Roddenberry liked or was inspired by them. (He was also clearly inspired by Forbidden Planet, but no one that I know of is claiming that the new movie will suck if the writers don’t look to Fred Wilcox or Will Shakespeare.) If Star Trek had been intended to be those series dressed-up in space drag, “The Cage” would have had a very different ending, most if not all of the shows that followed would have played very differently, and millions would not have found their own inspiration in Trek’s promise of a better future.

127. MichaelJohn - June 29, 2007

Speaking of Forbidden Planet…

I watched this movie on DVD for the first time just a few weeks ago. I was expecting it to be another silly (and lame) 50’s era sci-fi flick, but instead I was really amazed just how good it was! It’s obvious to me that all future “space based” science fiction television and movies (including Trek) borrowed heavily from this groundbreaking movie.

If you haven’t seen it yet, be sure to rent it at your local blockbuster, but keep an open mind when you view it. The movie was made in the mid fifties so don’t expect the special effects, and especially the dialouge, to be on par with today’s movies. Having said that, I found it to have an intelligent story, and the sets and special effects were excellent and way ahead of their time.

For me the biggest problem with Forbidden Planet, or should I say it’s biggest distraction, was it’s star Leslie Nielson. While watching Forbidden Planet I kept thinking that Nielson was going to say of do something really funny or silly, but of course that never happened. Many forget that he was a dramatic actor up until the 1970s, long before he started making hilarious comedies such as the Police Squad movies.

This movie truly is the forerunner of Star Trek and Star Wars, and marked the beginning of contemporary “space based” science fiction filmaking and television.

Mike :o

128. Michael Hall - June 30, 2007


All true. The direction may be stilted and the dialogue clumsy, but the intelligent themes behind “Forbidden Planet” (very loosely based on Shakespeare’s “The Tempest”) still hold up well today, and while the sets and special FX reflect the era when it was made, it’s a fact that TOS was never able to equal them on a television budget. Roddenberry never had any problem acknowledging it as a huge influence, which is reflected in the pilots’ production design including the saucer-shaped spaceship, transporters, laser pistols and energy cannon; and in the character relationships, particularly between the captain and the ship’s doctor. Not to mention even the basic concept of Earthmen as part of a galactic union of planets, exploring the universe.

For his part, Leslie Nielsen once said that he was honored to be the one who played “Kirk’s ancestor” in the film. Anne Francis also looked back with some pride at “Forbidden Planet in interviews,” but Earl Holliman, who played the unfortunate part of the ship’s cook who got drunk with Robby the Robot, really hated to talk about that movie (and I reallyI can’t blame him). There’s been talk of doing a remake off-and-on for decades, with the names of various directors including Oliver Stone (!) attached to the project, but so far nothing has managed to come together. Which suits me just fine, as I like it just the way it is.

129. COMAPSSIONATE GOD - July 1, 2007

Wow! Such heat! It’s like “Face the Nation” meets “Hardball” with a little of ESPN tossed in!

Like it or not, one of the brilliant things about TOS is that it was able to comment on issues of the day–yet remain relevant in pointing to issues of the future.

It is pretty much beyond argument that Ronald Tracey’s actions/desires on Omega 4 and Kirk’s “…they must apply to EVERYONE, or they mean nothing!” also apply to present day American political situations. Roddenberry, et al, realized how flawed government (and its servants) could be. No system is perfect, but from time to time we need strong reminders about a leaning toward corruption.

Politics aside, I LOVE this episode, as the principals were so comfortable in their roles, the music cues were spot-on for effect (ex. the transition from Exeter’s engineering section to the bridge / Kirk’s reading of Yang holy words / Tracey’s “…and they came” scene) and overall, a very grim piece sans even some of the light humor associated with season two.

Morgan Woodward…what can one say? He’s a powerful actor and in my view, one of the Trek franchise’s greatest guest stars, because he’s so darn believable as Tracey–one moment cool, the other sinister, and another, downright brutal. Highly effective. As for Shatner? Shat-tastic. Only he could read the so-called holy words and successfully keep the viewer “in” the meaning for the plot.

Oh. As for Exeter’s registry? Whatever is on screen counts (I guess we all understand this by now). Books and other media do not count….so take THAT, Star Wars Exapnded Universe fans!! ;)

130. dil - July 1, 2007

I’m a fan, but did they have to visit every parallel earth like planet in the quadrant? More XBOX TOS HD!

131. Cervantes ( patriotically looking up a Scottish section of the British sky... ) - July 2, 2007

American governments, of different persuasions, come and go, but the ideals of America itself and it’s various peoples have always been, and continue to be, a marvellous inspiration in many, many aspects to myself and many of this island’s people. Just wanted to say. AND you gave us Star Trek too. God or the mathematical principles that enabled all the galaxies and black holes in our Universe bless America.

132. Major Joe Ely Carrales, CAP - July 4, 2007

131. Cervantes ( patriotically looking up a Scottish section of the British sky… ) – July 2, 2007

Thank you. Actually, of you think about it. The ideals outlined in the US Consitution are not “American,” but rather, human. Let me explain before y’all go meshuggah on me…

Here is what is in there…

Limited Government- The Government cannot do certain things

Separation of Powers- It set up three Branches of Government designed to prevent any one from gaining control

The Bill of Rights- Ten Amendments that outline rights from Freedom of Speech/Religion/Press/Assembly/Petition to the Rights of the States.

All that is based on IDEALs that started with the Magna Carta in 1215 (Limited Power of Government) to the English Bill of Rights (outlining the Rights of Man); clearly English documents.

You’ll find lots of John Locke and other “Social Contract theory” in there and in the Declaration of Independence.

One could even say that the US Constitution does not “give” anyone rights, but rather outlines those that all Americans, and I should say all HUMANITY, have been given “by their Creator. (Th. Jefferson Declaration of Independence 1776)” It is held in great esteem in the United States, where it is the Supreme Law of the Land. Also, many people know little about it other than the first few lines; than leads to misunderstanding and, saddly, abuse.

By the way, if I may be so bold, y’all have the St. Andrew’s Cross in the Union Jack, thus there is no Great Britian without Scotland…eh?

133. Cervantes ( looking up at a Scottish sky... ) - July 4, 2007

Oh and bless wonderful Canada too.

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