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1. Ro-Dan - July 4, 2007

Happy 4th, TrekMovie.com!

2. mrregular - July 4, 2007

Happy 4th of July!!
And even though the scene is campy, the reading of the Constitution by the Shat still sends chills up my spine.
Let’s say a prayer today for our armed forces who are defending our freedom worldwide.

3. snake - July 4, 2007

Shatner should have been president

4. Scott Gammans - July 4, 2007

Corny, but still stirring. To all my fellow U.S. citizens, happy Fourth of July!

5. CmdrR. - July 4, 2007

3- snake – July 4, 2007
Shatner should have been president

He’s only 77.

Love this scene. It’s not that it’s BAD Roddenberry, as some have suggested. It’s that it’s an echo of a Twilight Zone type ending. In ‘68, that was still way cool.
And if you don’t like the Shat’s delivery, turn on the tube and you’ll get to listen to Darth Vader’s delivery on this 4th of July.

A happy E Plabnista to all and to all a good night.

6. Nelson - July 4, 2007

Yeah, Happy 4th everybody!

On a side note, I saw Live Free or Die Hard last night at a 10:00pm show. There was a huge line for Transformers. The 4th of July movie weekend begins and continues.

Not a film I plan to see as I am not a fan. But I was curious how it will do and how well it is recieved by the Transformers fan base. Also curious how the fans react to the way the writers adapted the material. On a movie site thread, they felt it was hit and miss. Good action, but too much focus on the human characters at times who are little more then 2D characters and not enough on the Transformers, or wrong focus.

Apologies for going off topic, but there are no threads here to post.

7. Stanky McFibberich - July 4, 2007

Happy 4th.

Nothing wrong with this scene as presented. Who needs subtlety? Shatner has a way with speeches. Call it corny if you want, but a good message.

8. jonboc - July 4, 2007

I was in one of those long lines for Transformers …I have all the faith in Abrahms but after seeing Transformers I have to admit I’m more than a little concerned about Trek. As far as this speech goes, sure a little over the top, but I can lay that at the feet of the director because Shatner’s “risk is out business” speech is great. Like Meyer said in one of his commentaries, you just have to know how to get what you want out of the man. Happy 4th , make it a safe one.

9. Harry Ballz - July 4, 2007

#3 “Shatner should have been president”
With Shatner being a Canadian, not possible, but still a good notion. Long live the Shat!!

10. CmdrR. - July 4, 2007

9. Harry Ballz – July 4, 2007
#3 “Shatner should have been president”
With Shatner being a Canadian, not possible, but still a good notion. Long live the Shat!!

No problem. We simply annex Canada and rename it North Minnesota.

11. Harry Ballz - July 4, 2007

Annex Canada for one individual? Yeah, you’re right, the Shat is worth it!

12. snake - July 4, 2007

indeed id feel alot safer if the shat was in charge of things. maybe he shud have run for office back in 88 before he just abovt killed us all with trek v.

13. Harry Ballz - July 4, 2007

Hey, I just went on ShatnerVision and the Shat, in a video, says he doesn’t mind if you call him SHAT as long as it’s preceded by a SIR!!? Wow, I’ve heard of Sir Lancelot, but Sir Shatalot? That surname sounds like a remark you make after eating too many prunes. “How were the prunes?” Answer: “Oh fine, but last night, boy,…I shat a lot!”

14. Joe T. Quirk Trek Modeler, the Mysterious Stranger! - July 4, 2007

Happy 4th of July, especially for the Troops, fighting for freedom at home and abroad. Oh yeah and the Vets too.

HooRah!

15. SHANE S. - July 4, 2007

As A Canadian, who was so proud as a child to know the William Shatner was Canadian, and proud that he was on such a great show making a moving speech, the scene was not just moving for what it symbolized on the show but also that the Shat could go to the U.S. and become who he has become, an icon- It great, and Happy Birthday America- You are a great nation-warts and all.

16. stallion - July 4, 2007

Almost as powerful as hearing the national anthme.

17. Philadelphia Trekker - July 4, 2007

From an email, but pertaining to Independence Day and “risk” – the business of the American founding fathers:

I’m not sure if this is all 100% accurate but bet a lot or most is…. GOD
BLESS AMERICA….. PLEASE!!!!!!!

Subject: FW: Freedom Reminder for July 4th

THE 4TH OF JULY
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.

Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.

Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured.

Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.

Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties
to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly.

He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters.
He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed.

The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to
waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn’t.

So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It’s not much to ask for the price they paid.

Remember: freedom is never free!

18. Mark - July 4, 2007

With King George’s plan to merge Mexico, the US, and Canada, maybe Shatner can still become President after all.

19. THEETrekMaster - July 4, 2007

Here’s hoping King George’s reign will end before he gets a chance to implement that plan. ugh.

20. Kirk: The Jack Bauer Of Space - July 4, 2007

Oh, that’s so heartwarming to read the slams against the president on the fourth of July. What class! You must be so proud.

Great scene with the Shat though.

Here’s another link that’s appropriate for today (18 & 19 especially might want to review this) Happy Fourth Everyone!

http://www.clown-ministry.com/index_1.php?/site/articles/red_skelton_pledge_a_commentary_on_the_pledge_of_allegiance_by_red_skelton/

21. Michael Hall - July 4, 2007

Oh, really? What day would you suggest we criticize him, then? Seems to me that the holiday which celebrates our liberation from a despot is most appropriate. Sorry about the condition of your heart, but there are plenty of other websites where you may seek consolation.

And, Jack Bauer of Space? Kirk would never torture anyone.

22. Rick - July 4, 2007

Great scene. Sure it may be in a bit of a cheesy scifi context, but the way the words spill out with the meaning for all it does send chills. Also I like the music that is in with it. I really hope the new TREK film works in some of the elements of the original series. I would love to see them on the big screen. The music, the mood, the characters all integrated into stories the make you feel all the emotional beats! Also on this day which is ending here is too those framers of the constitution, their sacrifice and to all the men and women that serve in the military and civil services HAPPY FOURTH!!! and thank you for what you have done and what you are doing. May we all survive with your help to TREK to the stars!

23. Jeff - July 4, 2007

I saw Transformers, went with some people who really wanted to see it…I thought it was really entertaining. As good as they could have done, given that it’s based on a bunch of toys and a cheaply-made cartoon/toy commercial.

The kid who plays the main character (”Sam”) is terrific. He can run around, get shot at, and be funny. He’ll be great as Indiana Jones’ son.

And the girl who plays his girlfriend in the movie is smokin’ hot!

Also – the preview for the J.J. Abrams movie was shown, it went over very well and looks like a fun sci-fi disaster flick. And the trailer for the Simpsons movie was hilarious, too.

24. Kirk: The Jack Bauer Of Space - July 4, 2007

21–It’s a matter of respect of the office and this country, on this special day, regardless of the current occupant of the white house. You make many assumptions about me in your snide comeback, the largest of which is that I am a Bush supporter. I am not a member of any political party, and voted for Clinton in the 90’s, and later regretted it, and voted for Bush in the 00’s, and later regretted it.

What do you think Kirk was doing when he kicked the crap out of Soren to save millions? Both Kirk and Bauer are fictional heroes we can be proud of. Happy Fourth!

25. Harry Ballz - July 4, 2007

Let’s face it….Star Trek owes a HUGE debt to William Shatner. Since the show was larger than life, he played it LARGER THAN LIFE!!! Just picture any other “average” actor in the part and you’ll have your answer. The Shat may have been self-centered, and stolen scenes from co-stars, but with hindsight, he paved a legacy that will NEVER be forgotten!!! Long live the SHAT!!!

26. Harry Ballz - July 4, 2007

#24 “Both Kirk and Bauer are fictional heroes we can be proud of”.
I find it more than interesting that BOTH fictional characters are portrayed by Canadians since the United States has ten times the population of Canada. Does this mean that Canadian actors are more well-versed in playing “larger than life” characters, or maybe, just maybe, the men of Canada are also made of “the right stuff”, and it’s not just indigenous to the U.S.A?

27. Kirk: The Jack Bauer Of Space - July 4, 2007

26-wow I didn’t know that. I have occasionally thought that Keifer Sutherland would have made a good Kirk. He’s too old to play a young Kirk now. But I think he’s a good enough actor to have pulled it off nicely.

28. Mark - July 5, 2007

20 and 24 (I know, same guy) – it’s out of respect for the country and the office that I criticize Bush. I know we are getting off track here, but Bush is a traitor and constantly violates his oath of office. It’s about 12:30 where I am, so the 4th is officially over, but on that day we celebrate the birth of our nation. Read the Declaration of Independence if you’ve never read it – re-read it if you have. We have a modern day King George who is guilty of more than the one criticized in the Declaration. As a conservative/libertarian/constitutionalist, it is not only my right to criticize ANY government official who violates their oath of office, it’s my duty. And I’m sure you didn’t mean to imply that we don’t have a right to free speech on the day we celebrate our independence, did you? And as long as we are on the subject (my apologies, Anthony, I’ll drop it after this), regarding your comments in #14, the troops are not fighting for our freedoms. If you believe that, I have a bridge for sale. They are fighting for Empire and the New World Order. (And I’m not anti-military; my father was in the Marines, I was in the Marines, and my son got out of the Army about 6 months ago after 2 tours in Iraq. But the invasion of Iraq was unconstitutional, immoral, and unnecessary – it had NOTHING to do with defending our freedoms. It’s to create more terrorists so we can invade more countries.)

29. spsblue - July 5, 2007

Sorry, is today a special day for some reason? Oh yeah, the aniversary of the day we lost the colonies… j/k.

Seriously though, have a great holiday.

30. Anthony Pascale - July 5, 2007

next political jab gets banned. You all know this is not a political site

31. THEETrekMaster - July 5, 2007

First…amen, Anthony…amen!

Second,

I thought Kirkss “speech” in Plato’s Stepchildren was more impassioned….

“BEEEEEEING YOUR SLAVE…WHAT…SHALL…I DO?
BUT TEND TO THE HOURS OF YOUR…DESIRE…
I HAVE NO PRECIOUS TIME AT ALLLL TO SPEND…NOR SERVICE TO DO…TO…YOU….”

McCoy: STOP IT PARMEN!!!! You’ll never get me to stay!

ROTFLMAO!!!!

32. Captain Pike - July 5, 2007

Happy 4th of July, you Shatner stealing Mexico touchers, eh!

(stolen from the SImpsons).

33. Michael Hall - July 5, 2007

Anthony,

I respect the fact that this is your site, and have no problem playing by your rules. Still, just out of curiosity, what is exactly is the problem with posters making political comments, anyway, so long as they aren’t abusive? TOS was a very politcal show for its time, so it’s a pretty natural subject to come up.

#20–Criticizing our leaders because you care about the results of their policies is the hallmark of a patriot and good citizen, regardless of which political party you belong to or whatever day on the calendar that criticism happens to fall on. And Jack, Kirk knocked Soran on his ass to get immediate access to a destructive device. He didn’t strap him into a chair to tape electrodes to his body or waterboard him in the hopes of getting information. So your comparison is, at best, quite a reach.

34. THX-1138--Fred Garvin's grammar class - July 5, 2007

#33
Anthony, if I may address this.

It’s because nobody could give a shit. Oh yeah, keep the religious points of view out of here, too.

It has been said that in polite company (of which I am obviously not one) one does not engage in discussions of either politics or religion.

35. Herbert Eyes Wide Open - July 5, 2007

There are always varying points of view on this website… political… sociological… Trek-o-logical… Anthony’s admonitions aside… however…

America is not about the miss-steps… America is not about the mistakes we’ve made (and yes, they are abundant)… America is not about what we’ve done wrong…

Those things are attributable to a United States… A group of, oft times, disparate and difficult entities trying to find commonality and cohesiveness.

America has and always will be to me what we aspire to… what we hope for… what we toil to create and make provident for our children and our neighbors… very much like Star Trek… and if Roddenberry’s dream comes true, they will no longer be our neighbors… they will simply be “us”… “we”… “you and I.”

A belated and well deserved happy Independence Day to America… May each of us do our best to make the next two hundred and thirty-one years better then ever!

36. Michael Hall - July 5, 2007

Well, THX, evidently a number of us do give a shit, or else the subject wouldn’t even have come up. And Trek, at its best, was meant to be a provacative show, with themes and issues worth taking the trouble to notice and argue and about. And of those themes, two were most definitely politics and religion. Sorry about that.

37. Michael Hall - July 5, 2007

Well, THX, evidently a number of us do give a shit, or else the subject wouldn’t even have come up. And Trek, at its best, was meant to be a provacative show, with themes and issues worth taking the trouble to notice and argue about. And of those themes, two were most definitely politics and religion. Sorry about that.

38. Jeffrey S. Nelson - July 5, 2007

Shat says “tron-quility” rather than “tran-quility.” Must be Canadian pro-cess at work there. Don’t want to sab-oh-tahj my enjoyment of this scene, however.

39. THX-1138--Fred Garvin, ambivalent prostitute - July 5, 2007

Ok then, follow the sites policies as I, for one, do not give a shit.

40. Xai (The Journey to the Final Frontier starts in Iowa) - July 5, 2007

Until….. I understood that….. Captain JamesT.KIRK… was a CHARACTER from Iowa, myhomestate,…. it did NOT occur tomethatwe ALL talked thisway.
Now pardonme, the IowaStateFair ..IS coming upsoon and I MUST milkmy
Andorian ICE cow…Beforeit allturns to…IceCream.

I hope the new Kirk can speak “Iowish” (eye-oh-wish) as well.

41. Harry Ballz - July 5, 2007

Andorian ICE cow?? I luv it, I tellzya!!

42. Xai - July 5, 2007

Antennas instead of teets

43. Xai - July 5, 2007

“I’m from Iowa, I only work in outer space.”

44. Harry Ballz - July 5, 2007

Teets? All together now (to the Bob Hope tune), “Thanks for the mammaries…”

45. Major Joe Ely Carrales, CAP - July 5, 2007

44. Harry Ballz – July 5, 2007

Exellent points (two actually)!!! Yes, Harry, keep us abreast of these issues. You mske the rest of us feel like boobs!!! But live is about peaks and valleys!!!

46. Harry Ballz - July 5, 2007

#45 Major Joe
Tit for tat, I always say. Well, time to scoot down to Hooters for my late night snack!!!