Comments on: Shatner on ‘Star Trek’ Movie: Nimoy Is In, I am Not

By: Anthony Pascale

Anthony Pascale — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:19:07 +0000

this thread has done all it can do and is now just slowing down the page load

but there is a new article on this whole thing to keep it up..
http://trekmovie.com/2007/07/15/bring-back-kirk-campaign-reacts-to-latest-news/

By: Sleeper Agent X

Sleeper Agent X — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:16:29 +0000

Too late to “wake up” Abrams! The “dream” has already been written, and all the yelling and shaking here won’t wake him from that pleasant vision…

By: boda

boda — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:13:50 +0000

no shatner?

no movie success!

…i hope somebody wakes abrams up before it is too late for him, and the franchise, if this one tanks like the last two trek is really dead!

By: Sleeper Agent X

Sleeper Agent X — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:50:56 +0000

No, no inside access at Paramount. Just a healthy sense of perspective as to what’s fanboy excess and what might appeal to the mainstream audience. Given the new movie’s mission–make Trek popular and accessible to the masses again–it’s possible to make reasonable guesses as to what could and what could not be in the movie. And I agree with Anthony–J.J. ain’t going to be wasting time in his movie ‘fixing” stuff that occurred four movies ago, for a very small handful of hardcore Shatner fans.

So many of you talk about all the posts in this thread, and how significant that is! If we assume every one of the 580+ posts was by a different individual (which of course they’re not) and that they all buy a ticket for the new movie ONLY if Shatner is in the film (which isn’t true either), why then, assuming tickets all cost $10 each (that’s higher than the national average, by the way) J.J. and Paramount stand to make about $5900! Almost SIX…THOUSAND…DOLLARS!!!

Well, technically, J.J.’s and Paramount’s cut would be smaller after the theaters take their cut, but still, we’re talking FOUR DIGITS, here!!! J.J. would have to be a FOOL to pass up this kind of money! Right?

As for the “there are always possibilities” line (the most over-quoted line in Star Trek discussion boards!) that includes the possibility that J.J. can create an all new movie that’s amazing, wonderful, defies all expectations, and has a look and quality all its own, without being too beholden to the past. The fact Leonard Nimoy thinks the story is good improves the chances of exactly that, in my opinion.

Yeah, screenings after a movie’s shot can cause a studio to go for reshoots. But re-doing Kirk’s death scene is different than putting in a major sequence, like oh…bringing Kirk back to life. They needed an entire movie to bring Spock back to life, after all!

And hello, folks? Does the fact the studio and everyone involved is keeping tight lips about the script suggest anything to you? They’re not looking for fan input on how to change the movie!

If you guys want to hold out hope that Trek XI will be the singular fanboy experience you crave, I can’t stop you, even if all evidence is to the contrary.

But at least now you can’t say you weren’t warned, when the time comes!

By: Robert April

Robert April — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:17:10 +0000

#584 #585 #586

For the record I am of the “fix Generations if if you can” bunch.
I am also in the “we don’t assume anything camp.”

Shatner has put this all out there. Paramount and the rest have given almost no reaction. Fans of all kinds are reacting to the news. It seems that the fans on this site (well most anyway) are speaking their mind and enjoying the lively conversations (yourselves included.)

My last point goes out to all who keep calling to end this thread… if you are so done with this discussion, why do you keep “peeking” back here? Just to see if more comments have been added? (586 IS a lot that’s for sure)

Maybe it is simply because you enjoy the infinite number of diverse posts in infinite combinations?

Respectfully,
RA

P.S. I will not revisit this thread again. Ever. No, not even to see if it reaches 1000 posts. Really…honest. This thread is dead. I have the will power of a Vulcan.

You …

can’t . . .

MAKE …

me sneak a peek …

:-)

By: Orbitalic

Orbitalic — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:35:44 +0000

#585 MichaelJohn

Amen.

By: MichaelJohn

MichaelJohn — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:33:00 +0000

I can’t take it anymore! Please God…end this thread!

By: Orbitalic

Orbitalic — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:17:32 +0000

#582 Robert April (and all the Generations-fixers).
I cannot speak for Sleeper, I don’t know the poster.. but I doubt they have studio connections. Nor do I.
But let me point out… again, that all this discussion, regardless of viewpoint, is based on one man’s unconfirmed announcement that “he’s not in it” . That’s an out-of-context statement from a man who regularly, ummm… doesn’t give complete facts for his own reasons. He may well be stating the absolute truth, or he might be using the fans to stir up pressure on Paramount to get his price on a part in the film. We don’t know… no one else is speaking, including Nimoy.
Several people are blaming the writers for not writing him in, JJ for allowing it, Paramount for not including him and Berman for “killing” him (Shatner knew going in and could have said no, right up until the shoot in my opinion..but anyway..). We STILL know nothing.
Until we know casting for REAL..isn’t it just an futile exercise to worry about fixing Generations? I understand your hot-button on this point, but maybe points are better made after we actually HAVE information?
I am not trying to scold people for having an opinion and saying.. “what if”. But it looks like the thread has two groups… some of those and another group that’s assuming this one source is correct and is really inflaming the rumor.
Let’s see all the cards before we assume.

By: Harry Ballz

Harry Ballz — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:38:25 +0000

#582
Eloquent as ever, Captain April! Well said!

By: Robert April

Robert April — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:55:57 +0000

#580 “So this isn’t about bringing Shatner back from the Nexus. This is about taking Trek someplace new. You don’t have to like it. But you ought not to hope that things will be otherwise.”

Ought not to hope?

And you have an inside scoop as to exactly what this movie will bring?
If so, you must be closely tied to this movie and, if that is true look around at all the posts on the net at people who DO wish there to be SOME correction to the generations fiasco (if even in a small back story.)

There is always hope. “There are always possibilities.”

As I recall the Generations script was completed as well-Kirk destined to die from a shot in the back. Wow, how exciting! Then an 11th hour edit was filmed to try to “fix” the ending. “The bridge is on the captain!” (or was it “Captain on the bridge?”)

Anyway, the change was due, of course, to the backlash of fans who booed the initial screening. Has filming even started yet on the new movie?

I have no problem with a new actor playing Kirk but I want there to be endless possibilities. Knowing when and where Kirk dies robs us of that a little, don’t you think?

Go ahead and give us a new start Paramount. Give us new stories and new actors. Give us great movie making and “WOW” all the critics! Satisfy old and new fans alike while making a ton of money. Secure a place in history for following generations to enjoy these characters.

And if that is ALL you are capable of (A daunting task for any creative team that’s for sure) we will understand.

But should your creativity go BEYOND our expectations and you are also able to bring back Shatner and NImoy one last time in a creative and meaningful way, I suspect you just may see us cheering in the theaters on opening day.