I truly hope you are wrong in your “time travel” suggestions…as that’s one dead horse that has been flogged too many times…

I very much echo ALL your views there…

The colourful uniforms, and no Klingon of Romulan “terrorists” please…give us something new…

Next issue.

I think that is not correct, AFAIK it was Robert Wise that wanted to know what was missing when he came on board. As soon as he knew that there was an ongoing legal issue between Paramount and Nimoy, something to do with Nimoys likeness as Spock on a UK billboard advert for Heinekin lager, Robert Wise essentially said “sort it out”
It was done and it was after this that Leonard Nimoy was in. This is a much shorter version of what I have read in the past, but my time is short at the moment… :)

I doubt many cherish the pointless, idiotic plotting of Generations, aka Rick Berman and his cronies trying (and failing) to pass-the -torch/bury TOS in the same stroke.

“they (the polls) are somewhat ‘hardcore fan skewed’ and hardly scientific. Go out on the street with a picture of Spock and see if Joe Public can identify the character. On a separate occasion take a picture of Kirk and do the same test. Do it for real.”

That poll I described was done FOR REAL. It was conducted amongst Joe Public. Do you really think Trekkies wouldn’t have been able to name any characters other than Kirk & Spock?? Hello … are hailing frequencies open?

“As to my ‘vigorous anti-Shatnerism’. Please to cite an example on any of my posts that are anti Shatner. Anywhere.”

If you insist. It was after the THIRD time that you dropped in “challenging” Shatner fans to name his box office successes that I decided to respond. I figured you wanted me to, after repeating your challenge 3 times! A challenge, by the way, that you now seem to have abandoned, because you finally realized it made about as much sense as asking, “How many Star Trek films has Brad Pitt been responsible for the success of?”

“Your assertion that Shatner is the #1 draw is, frankly, quite debatable. Again, it is all going to be in the opinion of who you talk to, but I would just go over the data of my suggested query and see what you come up with.”

We’ve already been over this. Shatner IS the #1 Trek star. You’re insinuating that it’s Nimoy, but, sorry, ‘fraid not. I love Nimoy, but he is NOT as well known as Shatner. Especially now, when he (Nimoy) has been retired from acting for years. Where do you live, Rigel 7? I live on E-A-R-T-H. :)

“Every time something comes up on this site to discuss, someone invariably says that if Shatner isn’t going to be in it, they won’t see it. That is, quite simply, a stupid thing to say.”

Hmmm … did you read post #128? Reason I ask is because in it, I said (in English), “I want this movie to be a success regardless of Shatner’s participation, and am looking forward to seeing it opening day no matter what.”

Are we done now?

The polls: Anthony hinself has alluded to the fact that they are somewhat “hardcore fan skewed” and hardly scientific. Go out on the street with a picture of Spock and see if Joe Public can identify the character. On a separate occasion take a picture of Kirk and do the same test. Do it for real.

As to my “vigorous anti-Shatnerism”. Please to cite an example on any of my posts that are anti Shatner. Anywhere. That kind of ridiculous statement is what robs your argument of credence and credibility. Kirk WAS my biggest hero groiwng up. When I was a kid, he was the character I always got to be when my buddies in our imaginations would land on “strange new worlds” and save the galaxy from our older sisters.

Your assertion that Shatner is the #1 draw is, frankly, quite debatable. Again, it is all going to be in the opinion of who you talk to, but I would just go over the data of my suggested query and see what you come up with.

And, yes, the Shatner fans have been coming off like a whiny bunch of parrotts. Every time something comes up on this site to discuss, someone invariably says that if Shatner isn’t going to be in it, they won’t see it. That is, quite simply, a stupid thing to say. And by the way, I would wager that the rest of us here couldn’t care less if you see the movie or not. Pay you all to stop talking about how you are upset with the Shatner situation? Hell, if I could get the rest of us who are tired of the droning to pool our money together, we might have more than enough money to get Shatner IN the damn thing!

And I think it’s great that William Shatner can do with his life whatever he likes and that he may be “inspiriational” to others. But a real life, true blue hero? C’mon! That is an insult to all the brave people who defend the innocent and serve to protect the public at large like the military, firemen, and policemen. Let’s be careful about how we bandy about such phrases so easily.

I have nothing at all against the BBKers. To be honest, I hadn’t heard of them until this site. That is the first time I have even typed “BBK” in my life. Up til now, the only BBK I had heard of came with fries and a drink at Burger King. They seem to have their own website and launch most of their information from there.

So being a fan of the work of William Shatner isn’t the problem. It’s when it get’s in the way of other peoples’ discussions and acts as the only thing the rest of us can comment on that it get’s to be a problem. Can we not just talk about Leonard Nimoy’s participation in the new film without it turning into grousing about how JJ Abrams is ruining Star Trek by cutting out William Shatner? Good Grief, let’s move it along!

Yes, in my earlier posts I was ranting. I readily admit it. But as far as things I write here, I will gladly take up an honest discussion with whom so ever take humbrage. If I am wrong, you bet that I’ll eat crow