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The Two Spocks Talk Trek – Yelchin & Some Details Confirmed August 19, 2007

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: ST09 Cast , trackback

USA Today visited with the only two officially confirmed Star Trek cast members (Zachary Quinto and Leonard Nimoy) at the Griffith Park Observatory. No major details revealed – but you can already see the pair of Spocks are already getting along well.

 

Quinto would not go into specifics on the film plot, but possibly offered a clue as to how the two Spocks might interact saying "I think there’s going to be a sense of guidance through this film and beyond." The new Spock also talked about what drew him to the role and again confirms the prequel setting:

I really identify with Spock’s struggle. We’re going back to a time before anything (Nimoy did in the original series) was established. These characters are in a completely different stage of their lives.

The new Spock also revealed that he has been practicing his Vulcan salute, but only has it down to one hand, which can be seen in the video portion of the article.

Confirming schedule, Yelchin and bonding
Quinto did reveal confirm some of the logistical info previously reported here on TrekMovie.com…notably that Star Trek will have a 85 day shoot on 11 stages including 2 weeks in Iceland. In the ‘Back Story’ section of the article there was a bit more confirming and some Spock bonding as well:

Quinto let Nimoy in on news that the Chekov role had been cast with Alpha Dog actor Anton Yelchin. Though the two hadn’t heard any whispers that Tom Cruise might be joining the cast as a villain, they spoke in hushed tones about secret plot points while the video cameras weren’t rolling. These Spocks seem to be forging a very un-Vulcan friendship

The above seems to confirm the previous story about Anton Yelchin playing the role of Chekov, the third cast member for Star Trek.

Video and article at USA Today Celeb Watch With Keck 

Comments

1. DavidJ - August 19, 2007

Oh jeez, I can’t believe he actually pulled Quinto’s ears up like that. lol

2. Xai - August 19, 2007

sounds like nothing majorly new here, but it seems they get along

3. Etha Williams - August 19, 2007

I don’t think I’ve seen this reported on on the site yet, so —

In the “The Back Story” section of this page, USA Today writes, “Quinto let Nimoy in on news that the Chekov role had been cast with Alpha Dog actor Anton Yelchin.”

4. Demode - August 19, 2007

Are the “Spocks” going to really be “interacting” in the film? I hope not. I think the actors will certainly be behind the camera, but hopefully not in front of it. I really hope they keep the two timeframes seperate.

5. Etha Williams - August 19, 2007

(Addendum to my #3 post — then again, USA Today’s also reporting that there are “whispers that Tom Cruise might be joining the cast as a villain,” so who knows how accurate their reporting really is…)

6. Devon - August 19, 2007

They’re really gonna have to do something about Quinto’s nose.

7. Etha Williams - August 19, 2007

2nd addendum to #3 post — never mind, I guess I just totally missed the fact that you did indeed mention this in the post. I don’t know what’s wrong with me tonight..

8. DavidJ - August 19, 2007

#6

Heh, that’s what I thought too when I did my sculpt. They look alike in a lot of ways, but Quinto has slightly more “brutish” features than Nimoy, with a much shorter nose and a bigger brow.

But I’m not that worried about it. I’m sure he’ll still look like a damn cool Spock once he gets the makeup and costume on.

9. Hooah Wife and friends » Blog Archive » Star Trek News - August 19, 2007

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10. Alex ASlanidis - August 19, 2007

I think theose two look awesome together and I am sure he will look like and pull off the Spock, role!!

11. Dave - August 19, 2007

would that be something if Abrams can pull this off. I’ve been hooked since the announcement last year about prequal trek.

12. Greg2600 - August 19, 2007

“We’re going back to a time before anything (Nimoy did in the original series) was established. These characters are in a completely different stage of their lives.”

Okay, so now we’re back to the prequel deal, further confirmed by Matt Damon’s statements (if that is any confirmation) about Kirk. This is better news to me, as I have been rooting for setting the film before the 5 year mission. However, this makes that Paramount casting release, if it’s real, even more strange. I would assume that prequelling the entire TOS cast would be looney at best. Unless they’re talking about a 5 year mission before the 5 year mission?

I also found Zachary’s inability to do the Vulcan salute pretty funny, as Shatner has never been able to do it either.

13. helenofpeel - August 19, 2007

It looks like Nimoy’s ears are drooping down half his face!

14. Fireoftime - August 20, 2007

I’m no marketing expert, but I think it’s a tad bit much to start in on USA Today and the like already. I mean it’s one thing to give teasers and updates to the fans, but an idea like this film presents (“The Old Adventures of the New Kirk and Spock”) would probably be most effective (to non Trek fans) coming as a bolt out of the blue in the guise of coming attractions at the theater next summer.

15. girl6 - August 20, 2007

Quinto is enough like Nimoy in subtle ways–in those ways that women notice–that I had the same thought that Nimoy’s wife did: “This is creepy”. I just watched “Kid Monk Baroni” and I was all like, “Wow.”

Nimoy and Quinto could pass for father and son but not because they *look* alike. They have the same…vibe. They have the same deeply alluring aura that is missing in most leading men these days. That was key in the casting of Spock: finding a man with similar sex appeal.

Nimoy once remarked that women were attracted to Spock because he triggered their maternal instinct.

Oh baby.

He was sooo wrong. It was Nimoy the man who appealed to women, with that gorgeous hair and that chocolate voice and those long, long legs and those extraodinarily beautiful, perfect hands.

And oh my god, those lips.

I was watching “The Tholian Web” with my mother and she pointed to the televison and said, “That is a beautiful man. Look. There. The back of his neck. And I bet he’s a really good lover.”

Amen, mom.

But I digress.

We certainly wouldn’t want a bunch of TOS clones. *That* would be loony. Abrams has done a great job so far with the casting. As long as he doesn’t sign Jamie “the dude with the cheerleader name” Bamber, I’m cool.

Peace

16. Mark Lynch - August 20, 2007

While we are on the subject of casting choices….

Did anyone else see the report in the Sunday Mirror (UK tabloid) that said James McAvoy is definitely the new Scotty?

Anthony, have you heard anything?

17. the dax - August 20, 2007

Strange that Chekov would be in the cast.
This is looking more and more like Flintstone Babies.

18. cugel the clever - August 20, 2007

It’s not strange at all that Chekov and the rest of the TOS characters would be in the film. It’s possible that the objective of the film is to show the main TOS characters in their lives leading up to them all being assigned to the Enterprise 1701. Obviously, most of the screen time will be for Kirk and Spock, but there will probably also be backstories for Sulu, Scot, McCoy, etc.

As for Chekov, there were hundreds of crewmen on the Enterprise during season 1 – it’s possible that he was one of the crew but wasn’t promoted to being a bridge officer until season 2. This would explain why we didn’t see him until well into the series.

As for the “two Spocks” having screen time together – this is science fiction and time travel is a well-used (and over-used) plot gimmick in all of the Trek series’. I hope they don’t do it (because none of the dozens of trek time-travel eps have adequately explained-away the inherent paradoxes), but it wouldn’t surprise me. Another possibility is TNG-era Spock encountering young Spock as a holodeck simulation.

19. Tim Handrahan - August 20, 2007

What I found interesting is the statement that Nimoy will guide him through this film and beyond. Could he possibly appear in another film?

20. Cervantes ( Born and bred under a Scottish sky..and hoping for a well-cast 'Scotty'... ) - August 20, 2007

#3 Etha Williams

Nice to see the guys seem friendly with each other, but agreed that the ‘timeframes’ in the Movie keep them apart…none of that time-travelling ‘interacting’ tosh please…

Side note: It is being reported in one of the more usually reputable newspaper here ( Scottish Sunday Mail) that James McAvoy HAS been cast as ‘Scotty’… I hope this proves untrue, as I’d personally like a young Gerard ( ‘300’ ) Butler type actor for this, more reflective of James Doohan’s original character, as opposed to the lazy miscasting ( in my view ) of a ‘flavour of the month’ Scots actor whos persona and look is far removed from the original… I mean, he’s ‘Mister Tumnuss’ from ‘Narnia for goodness sake… :(

21. Fireoftime - August 20, 2007

17. the dax – August 20, 2007

” Strange that Chekov would be in the cast.
This is looking more and more like Flintstone Babies.”

That’s where this movie will either fly or crash. TOS was about Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

The problem with Chekov is that he is twelve years younger than Kirk, which would mean that when Kirk was 25, Chekov would be 13!
Soooo…they are either going to %&*$ up the established time line here, and just re-imagine the entire TOS universe, or they’re going to do YET ANOTHER jumping through time scenario.

Let’s just pray this doesn’t turn out to be STAR TREK EPISODE 1: The Phantom Time Line…!

22. Fireoftime - August 20, 2007

We’ll know if were in for a ‘Muppet Babie’s’ kind of theme here if they hold a casting call for Khan Noonien Singh!

23. Fakten, Gerüchte und Infos zu Star Trek XI - Seite 8 - SciFi-Forum - August 20, 2007

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24. trektacular - August 20, 2007

I know we all want to believe in Nimoy loving the script, but could it be he just wants to be in the limelight again?

25. Fireoftime - August 20, 2007

“I know we all want to believe in Nimoy loving the script, but could it be he just wants to be in the limelight again?”
-24. trektacular – August 20, 2007

That and a paycheck.

At this stage, everybody pays lip service.

26. Cervantes ( against the casting of wimpy 'Mister Tumnus' from 'Narnia' for the Chief Engineer 'Scotty' role.... ) - August 20, 2007

Apologies #4 Demode

It was YOUR post I meant to reference in my # 20 post…

27. Stanky (The Anti-Chekov) McFibberich - August 20, 2007

Having Chekov (and the other secondary characters) in the movie seems to indicate they are trying to pacify fans somewhat. That being said, this is one area where I wish they would ignore their perceptions of what the fans desire.
No one knows how much screen time any of these secondary characters will have, but I hope it is limited. Don’t waste time making this into an ensemble thing.
I don’t really like the whole “This is how the crew came to be” focus, if indeed that is what they are doing. I don’t need origin stories. If they are going to use these characters with a new cast, I would just as soon have them do a mission directly from the time period of the series or around the time of the pilots, not earlier. Of course, that is not what they are doing.
The main thing they have to get right is the look and feel of the series/pilots, yes, expanded for the big screen, but true to its roots. The ship, the uniforms, the corridors, etc. should be obviously recognizable, even if they are improved in construction materials. They have already decided to recast roles, but I don’t really care who they get for these roles, except that they should be relatively unknown.
The story should be one of exploration and conflict, as in the series. I don’t need to see major space battles and overly exotic aliens who are there just for shock value.
And, as long as they have Nimoy, it would be silly to not include Shatner, since these two work so well together. It would be a missed opportunity.
Both of them should have refused to be in it, but since one is in, the other should be also.
The all-knowing, all-wise, Stanklin T. McFibberich has spoken. ;)

28. Driver - August 20, 2007

An 85 day shoot. I wonder how that compares with the other trek features. And how long are they aiming to make it, 2 hours, more?

29. Duncan MacLeod - August 20, 2007

Chekov being in the film FIXES THE KHAN PROBLEM!!!!!!!

In TWOK Khan states

(finally)

I don’t know you. But you. I

never forget a face. Mister Chekov,

isn’t it?

(wonderingly)

I never thought to see your face

again.

Chekov serving on the ship in the new movie FIXES that!

30. Duncan MacLeod - August 20, 2007

FYI if people dont know… Space Seed (Khan) was in the First Season before Chekov…

31. Craig - August 20, 2007

I wonder if the film will start with their first missions and led up to Kirk commanding the Enterprise? Or will it start with Kirk commanding the Enterprise and flashback to their first missions and their Academy days?

32. NCC-73515 - August 20, 2007

i hope they use the classic sounds, as funny as they may sound today. and they must use LASER pistols, not phasers. oh, and remember the nice earpiece with cable (looks like you could take a shower with that) that spock used in “the cage”.
the only thing i want replaced is the terrible alert sound prom pike’s era. that was horrifying :)

33. snake - August 20, 2007

leonard was certainly blessed with what has to be THE BEST head of hair ever on a dude..I mean he’s like 75 and he’s still got a full head of hair..only a little grey too…

He’ll have no problems having his old Spock-style haircut for the new movie…

Mind you Shatner aint doing too bad either…just a little grey and only a little recession…

34. JACKIEBOY - August 20, 2007

They’re going to cast relatively medium- high profile names as the bridge crew, because they plan to serialize this baby like theres no tomorrow.

35. Ellie - August 20, 2007

SHATNER FANS:

“According to the Sunday Mirror, original Enterprise Captain William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy, now both 76, have signed up to play Captain Kirk and Mr Spock once again in flash-forward scenes.”

http://www.daventrytoday.co.uk/latest-e … id=3123101

36. konar - August 20, 2007

#28 — 85 days of shooting is EPIC, for any film (assuming they mean principal photography).

I really think it is funny that people (not #28) are saying the HAVE to do this or that… and that this piece of equipment or this character CAN’T be in the film etc., etc. — I know where it comes from, as I am as big a fan of the original series as there is… but I am really looking forward to what they do with the “essence” of Trek. Damn the details.

37. Marc Henson - August 20, 2007

Hello, I’ve never commented here before so I don’t know anybody, but thought I’d mention that I have a few thoughts on some of the comments made about the new Star Trek movie. First of all, someone mentioned that Chekov shouldn’t be in it, as it would contradict the first season of TOS, since he wasn’t there. Well, there are so many things to counteract that arguement. First of all, the line in Star Trek II that Khan said. Plus, just because Chekov wasn’t shown on screen during the first season doesn’t mean that he wasn’t on the Enterprise. If you remember, during TAS, Lt. M’Ress was occasionally the Communications Officer in Lt. Uhura’s abscense. She wasn’t there all the time, and Chekov doesn’t have to be there all the time either. Also, as was mentioned, he may have been serving on the “lower decks.”

Someone also mentioned that there should only be laser pistols, and not phasers. Well, I see where you’re coming from, as this movie would predate “The Cage,” but would it really be Star Trek if there was no phasers? Sure, they didn’t have phasers in Star Trek: Enterprise but…I don’t know….it wasn’t as weird in that case, because that was years before. There was an episode of the original series that stated that phasers existed as far back as 2257. Of course this movie would have to be before that, probably no later than 2254. But if you’ll remember in “Where No Man Has Gone Before,” which was set in 2265, the standard weapon on the Enterprise appears to be laser pistols, since that’s what was shown, but they also used phaser rifles, just not as standard weapons. In other words, it’s possible that phasers could have existed around 2254, it’s just that they weren’t commonly used as standard weaponry. Of course I don’t necessarily care if there are no phasers in the movie, but I just thought it would be important to bring out that if they are in the movie, it really wouldn’t be a violation to Star Trek canon. After all, prior to the Enterprise series there was never any mention of the Xindi, and yet they had a big part in the 3rd season of Enterprise. Just because we don’t see things in the original series giving reference to something or whatever, doesn’t meant that it didn’t happen, doesn’t mean that he wasn’t there, and doesn’t mean that it didn’t exist at the time.

38. Cervantes ( first Chekov, now Scotty?...who on earth will Kirk be?... ) - August 20, 2007

#35 Ellie

Hmmm… There’s been so many false dawns regarding William Shatner’s appearance in this, that I’ll keep my celebrations on tap for a little longer… But I certainly hope this proves correct…

While I’m here again…can I just reiterate that in the words of the great Walter Matthau, as seen in ‘The Sunshine Boys’, that although I like him as much as the next guy…if the reports are true that James ( ‘Mister Tumnus’ ) McAvoy HAS been cast by J.J. as ‘Scotty…that I am against it…

“…I’m AGAINST it, I tell you…!”

http://i.cnn.net/v5cache/TCM/Images/Dynamic/i35/TheSunshineBoys_FF_300X225_10102005155.gif

39. FREAKAZOID - August 20, 2007

They kinda had phasers in Enterprise. They were called phase pistols. Thier introduction led to the best line ever

“They have two settings. Stun and kill. It would be best not to confuse them.”

or something like that *LOL*

40. Cervantes ( I'm against James McAvoy as 'Scotty' I tell you... ) - August 20, 2007

I seem to have gotten my newspaper titles mixed up…it’s the Sunday Mirror, not the Sunday Mail…and my link doesn’t seem to work either…

All this James McAvoy stuff must be getting to me, so I’m moving onto the next thread with trepidation…c’mon Anthony, give me something to take my mind of this possibility…oh,wait…NOOOOOOO!…

41. decilia - August 20, 2007

I am having mixed feeling about XI now. I have always said prequels just doesn’t work period. Going back to the original crew was the right why to revitalize the franchise but they scould have make clean cut by not having neither Nimoy or Shanter not involved in this film.
I don’t see how this film is going work without a reboot or re-image.

42. Shatner_Fan_2000 - August 20, 2007

You know, I couldn’t be happier about the way the Spock recasting has gone thus far. How many times have we seen new versions of beloved old properties where the original stars distanced themselves from the new product because it was subpar (the Lone Ranger comes to mind)? But seeing Nimoy and Quinto like this, making multiple appearances together and forging a bond, is just terrific.

I don’t dare to guess how much if any of it Abrams is responsible for, but it is genius PR work in any case. Leonard’s endorsement of the actor and the script immediately wiped away most of my fears about this project. And it does seem to me that Quinto is being bred to assume the role for the long haul (hopefully at least 3 films).

43. Diabolik - August 20, 2007

#33: 33. snake –

“Mind you Shatner aint doing too bad either…just a little grey and only a little recession… ”

Either you’re joking or just don’t know… The Shat has worn a hairpiece for years. Even part of his hair in TOS was a hairpiece. Hard to believe, but true.

44. DavidJ - August 20, 2007

What I find tantalizing is that (at least according to Quinto) it sounds like they’ve already got a whole bunch of sets built . I figured they were still just in the very preliminary, outline phase of the movie.

But then again, casting is usually the last thing they do on a movie, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. In any case, I can’t wait to see some pics start to leak out…

45. snake - August 20, 2007

43 – yeah i’ve heard all the ‘Shatner wears a wig’ stories..

Its BS.

Shatner himself has denied ever wearing one and thats good enough for me.

46. DavidJ - August 20, 2007

#45
Um, not to sidetrack the entire thread… but you can clearly see the netting in some of the closeup headshots from TOS.

I’m sure he’s probably gotten a transplant or something since then though, since he can easily afford it. I don’t see the big deal either way though. It doesn’t make Kirk any less cool.

47. konar - August 20, 2007

He can away with saying he’s never worn a wig because he wears a “hairpiece” — I have talked with him at close range more than once and since I wore a “hair replacement system” at one time I knew what I was looking at. In the show he had a small “hairline” enhancement to hide the recession.

48. Greg2600 - August 20, 2007

Bigger question is whether the new Kirk will……..pause…….in…….the…………..middle………of his lines?

As for the timeline of the plot, one could assume that the story will begin when they are teenagers and progress through. If the story is pre-5 year mission, what could Chekov have to do with it? It’s all pretty convoluted at this point. Casting of the entire TOS crews points to 5-year mission, while comments from the actors and others say prequel to 5-year mission. Maybe it’s both, I don’t know?

The Flintstone Babies line was funny!

37 – Marc Henson. There’s nothing that has been said which The Cage plays into. The 5 year mission began in 2265. Kirk was on the Farragut at least until 2257, and Spock was on the Enterprise at that time. Technically the story could happen at any time.

49. Fireoftime - August 20, 2007

#45
“Um, not to sidetrack the entire thread… but you can clearly see the netting in some of the closeup headshots from TOS.”
-DavidJ – August 20, 2007

That, plus the fact that Kirk’s hairline ran in a receding ‘V’ shape, whereas T.J. Hooker’s hairline ran straight across his brow from ear to ear!

50. Etha Williams - August 20, 2007

#18 — Please, no more holodeck. I personally think that the holodeck was getting kind of old by the middle of TNG, and by now, I feel like it’s been exhausted. Good old fashioned shore leave on a real planet was a lot more fun, IMO.

When Quinto talked about “a sense of guidance through this film and beyond,” my first thought was of a Yesteryear-type scenario. It would be interesting if they did take a scenario from TAS and adapt it into an idea for a movie…

51. snake - August 20, 2007

Shatners hair looked awesome in TOS…from the sandy brown quiff of season 1 and 2 to the getting slightly darker/thicker..slowly approaching movie do for season 3….

i think his best ‘movie hair’ was in Wrath of Khan though…no beating that uber-thick black curly do with the long sideburns…

Everyone who says its a piece is just jealous.. :)

52. DavidJ - August 20, 2007

Nah I thought it looked best in TUC. It was kinda cool seeing Kirk with gray hair for once.

53. sean - August 20, 2007

Shat’s hair is a piece, but what a glorious piece! I particularly enjoyed the way it could completely change from film to film. I always heard a rumor it was just a tribble that crawled up there and he didn’t notice.

54. Charles Trotter (Chuck Amuck) - August 20, 2007

#28 Driver

Konar is right, 85 days is a bit longer than an average movie shoot. By comparison, TMP took about three months (August-November 1978), while Star Trek II took about two months (November 11, 1981 – January 28, 1982; 78 days, counting any break periods), as did STIII (August 15 – December 20, 1983).

Star Trek VI filmed from April 16 through July 2, 1991 (76 days, again not including break periods). Production on Nemesis took a bit longer (nearly four months, from November 28, 2001 through March 9, 2002), but who knows how many break periods they had between the start and end dates. The same goes for the other movies, too.

The 85 day shoot reported for the next Trek does not include break periods.

55. Charles Trotter (Chuck Amuck) - August 20, 2007

Correction to my last post (#54) — production on Star Trek III ended October 20, not December 20.

56. Kirk, James T. - August 20, 2007

Sounds cool. i like the sound of the iceland shoot and the longer shoot period – it suggests a bigger film that can compete with bigger blockbusters like “The Dark Knight” and ‘Indiana Jones 4″

57. leony - August 20, 2007

#15 “Nimoy once remarked that women were attracted to Spock because he triggered their maternal instinct. ”

Baby, it’s not the maternal instincts Spock has been triggering over the decades. Nimoy discusses Spock’s sexual appeal in his autobiography, if you want to read up on it. Which I’m sure sells more tickets at the box office than the maternal variety too. I give you one thing though, Quinto is attractive in that way and therefore a good casting choice besides other factors like physical resemblance etc.

But my main concern is that Abrams can deliver a good movie with an interesting plot.

58. Dr. Image - August 20, 2007

A good movie with an interesting plot…..
With big honkin’ LASER pistols worn under landing party jackets, ribbed-collar velour uniforms, pointy red nacelle caps, cobra head style viewers, and crewwomen wearing (well…tight, at least) pants!!
Yeah, I wanna see RETRO!!!!!!!

(Excuse the crude post, I’ve had a really bad day…)

And OH GOD– (#50) NO FKN HOLODECK….EVER AGAIN!!

59. Marc Henson - August 20, 2007

Quote:

48. Greg2600 -There’s nothing that has been said which The Cage plays into. The 5 year mission began in 2265. Kirk was on the Farragut at least until 2257, and Spock was on the Enterprise at that time. Technically the story could happen at any time.

End Quote…

There has been rumors though, that Christopher Pike will appear in the film, and if it’s during his Captaincy on the Enterprise, it would have to be during the 2250s, or the early 2260s. If the movie is about the first meeting between Kirk and Spock, than it would have to be before 2265. (Or at least before “Where No Man Has Gone Before”) And the reason I mentioned the year 2257, was to prove a point that phasers did exist prior to “Where No Man Has Gone Before,” even though we never seen them. And technically, the story as a whole, could happen at any time, at various times. Obviously the 24th century Spock comes into play in this film. Indicating that perhaps at the beginning of the movie, we shall see the Spock of the 2380s, who is thinking back to a time when he was younger, and looked like Sylar. Yes, I know, there could be various time periods involved with this film, but if the movie really involves the first meeting between Kirk and Spock, then at least part of the film is set before “Where No Man Has Gone Before.”

60. CmdrR. - August 20, 2007

They need to find a younger Will Keck. One with hair that isn’t… well, that isn’t what he has.

61. Greg2600 - August 20, 2007

59 – Marc, I just don’t think they are going to pay that close attention to canon. Enterprise certainly didn’t. The main question is whether the story is about Kirk and Spock and others before the 5 year mission? Will that be the entire film, aside from the Nimoy parts? As I’ve said, Kirk was the youngest Captain at the time he took over the Enterprise, at age 32/33. He went from a Lieutenant on the Farragut to Captain of the Enterprise in under 8 years, possibly less. Perhaps this film Spock is the quasi-lead, and then sequels will shift focus to Kirk.

62. TrekNerd - August 20, 2007

– just because Chekov wasn’t shown on screen during the first season doesn’t mean that he wasn’t on the Enterprise. If you remember, during TAS, Lt. M’Ress was occasionally the Communications Officer in Lt. Uhura’s abscense. She wasn’t there all the time, and Chekov doesn’t have to be there all the time either. Also, as was mentioned, he may have been serving on the “lower decks.” —

Chekov wasn’t on TAS either. Maybe he was demoted for doing something stupid and sent back to the bowels of the ship.

— Nah I thought it looked best in TUC. It was kinda cool seeing Kirk with gray hair for once. —

Notice how Kirk’s hair went from gray in TUC to reddish-brown in Generations? Was that an indication that the character of Kirk colored his hair in his later years?

When I was a kid, I always wondered how Shatner’s hair went from straight in TOS to afro in the movies.

But then I remember that Robert Reed went from straight hair to an afro on The Brady Bunch, and Florence Henderson said that Reed’s hair naturally became curly when it grew longer.

63. THX-1138 - August 20, 2007

I believe that you would have to confer with said hair’s manufacturer to learn the mystery of “straight to curly”.

Perhaps all changes could be attributed to product options?

64. raulpetersen - August 20, 2007

cant wait to see spock cutting people’s heads open,
in the meantime enjoy this tribute to the awesomeness of leonard nimoy!!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i-Vc4AJvojU

65. Marc Henson - August 20, 2007

Quote:

61. Greg2600 Marc, I just don’t think they are going to pay that close attention to canon. Enterprise certainly didn’t.

End Quote.

You could be right, but I’m pretty sure JJ Abrams mentioned he would follow the canon of Trek. Enterprise might make you wonder sometimes, but as far as my memory serves, there was nothing in Enterprise that contradicted previous Star Trek shows. At least nothing significant.

66. Etha Williams - August 20, 2007

#65 — “there was nothing in Enterprise that contradicted previous Star Trek shows. At least nothing significant.”

I would say that their frequent use of cloaking devices would definitely contradict the fact that, up until 2266, cloaking technology was considered only theoretically possible (according to Spock in “Balance of Terror”). If the Suliban, Romulans, etc had already used cloaking technology so much during the 22nd century, I strongly doubt that people would have just forgotten that cloaking was more than just a theoretical possibility.

Nevertheless, I think it’s still plausible that Abrams et al will be trying to stick to canon more than Enterprise did…one would hope the franchise would learn from its mistakes (and if in no other regard, Enterprise was a mistake in terms of ratings).

As for how this timeline would work, it’s anyone’s guess — perhaps an encounter between the Farragut and the Pike-era enterprise, fighting a common enemy — the villain of the movie?

67. Marc Henson - August 20, 2007

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66. Etha Williams – I would say that their frequent use of cloaking devices would definitely contradict the fact that, up until 2266, cloaking technology was considered only theoretically possible (according to Spock in “Balance of Terror”). If the Suliban, Romulans, etc had already used cloaking technology so much during the 22nd century, I strongly doubt that people would have just forgotten that cloaking was more than just a theoretical possibility.

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I don’t think that “Balance Of Terror” ever said that cloaking technology was only theoretical, but it was definitely something that was unfamiliar to them. The Federation doesn’t use cloaking technology, so therefore would have certainly been something unusual to them. I do know where you’re coming from though, as it is heavily implied in “Balance Of Terror” that they had never seen anything like it before. But although it was implied, I don’t believe it was specifically stated.

Plus, as far as we know, the encounter that the Enterprise-NX-01 had with the Romulan ship with a cloaking device was the only time prior to 2266 that Romulan cloaking devices had been seen. When the Romulans returned in season four, they no longer used cloaking devices, they used that Marauder ship. That one little tiny event in “Minefield” could have easily been forgotten by 2266. Not that it wouldn’t have been in Starfleet records, but it might have not been common knowledge. Now as for the Suliban cloaking devices? That’s a little bit harder to rationalize, but it just goes back to the fact that it was never specifically stated that cloaking devices had never been heard of before in “Balance Of Terror.” At least not that I recall. Yes, it’s true, it was definitely implied, but implications shouldn’t bring us to the said assumption.

68. trektacular - August 21, 2007

JJ Abrams is going to f*** up continuity as much as Enterprise did but hopefully will be more entertaining.

69. the dax - August 21, 2007

#67
Infact, the Romulans (and Xindi) are one of the worst continuity errors in Trek, since Spock specifically states in BoT:
“Invisibility is theoretically possible, Captain–
selectively bending light.”

very hard to explain away.
they (looool) didn’t even think of the possibility of the Roms appearing on their scanners and the humans wondering where they just came from.
NO, we not only actually see Archer and Reed on the hull watching it cloak and decloak, they also now have the ability to cloak an entire minefield.
Better yet, the episode was absolutely worthless. The highlight of the episode was Malcolm pissing into his space suit.
The Romulans would of worked without cloak, ENt would have worked without Transporters and Phasers. But that would have been taking too many “risks” it seems. Besides it would have required Braga to actually watch TOS…

Sadly, the “it became forgotten later on” idea is the most promising concept when trying to explain away ENT’s stunts (along with the neat “seasons 1-3 never happened due to TCW” argument of course).
so
Archer forgot to ask the Ferengi who they were.
Reed accidentally lost all Data about the Borg.
They forgot to file the Data about the encounter with the Organians.
Archer forgot to tell Starfleet about the Romulan cloak, and even when they waged war with the Roms shortly after, no one cared.
etc
sloppy 22nd century dudes…

70. sean's clone - August 21, 2007

Nimoy looks amazing – the guy seems to be in great shape. I actually wince when I see Quinto and Nimoy together – Quinto just does not have the gravitas of Nimoy – sorry and he looks are all wrong, though really not that important. I am really more concerned with his abilty to portray Spock with the self confidence and quiet strength that Nimoy brought to the role.

71. Etha Williams - August 21, 2007

#67
“it is heavily implied in “Balance Of Terror” that they had never seen anything like it before. But although it was implied, I don’t believe it was specifically stated.”

The full quote from BoT (expanded from #69’s post) is:
Kirk: I don’t see anything.Can’t understand it.
Spock: Invisibility is theoretically possible, Captain–selectively bending light. But the power cost is enormous. They may have solved that.

Although he didn’t say it in so many words, I would say that the fact that Kirk “can’t understand” why he wouldn’t see anything implies that he has never seen anything like it. Otherwise, he would understand what he was seeing as something that he has already seen. The words “they may have” solved that also would indicate this — if they knew that the romulans had cloaking technology, then it would not have been “the MAY have solved that” — it would be “they have solved that.”

I’d say that’s about as explicit as you can get without saying it out right.

Also, refresh my memory — didn’t the Romulans detect the NX-01 while they (the Romulans) were still cloaked? I seem to remember this, but I could be getting it wrong. If they did, that would be another contradiction of Balance of Terror (Kirk: Their invisibility screen may work both ways…).

And could somebody PLEASE explain to me why the Earth-Romulan War was fought “with primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels which allowed no quarter, no captives” (BoT)? If NX-01 is any indication at all, Earth vessels of that time had more advanced weapons than that, and it wasn’t so small that it “allowed no quarter, no captives.”

I’m not trying to be a continuity Nazi here, but this is ridiculous.

72. Greg2600 - August 21, 2007

Individual bits of “canon” often must be ignored, in a sense. How about the Eugenics Wars of the 1990’s, which went unseen in Voyager? I don’t fault the writers for not letting themselves be buckled down by statements in Balance of Terror. They did keep the essential things alive, which was that the Romulans, an enormously secretive race, were never seen face to face, used technologies like cloaking, etc.

I remember when Enterprise first used the Klingons, and people screamed about how that contradicted with a throwaway line by McCoy in TOS, and Spock’s speech in STVI. It’s called artistic license. As for the Ferengi, I would say that the Federation’s discovery of them was fairly tempered by DS9. You mean to tell me in 5 years the Ferengi of all people went from secretive to Quark’s Bar? I highly doubt it. I think they realized the characterization in TNG was not proper.

To the subject at hand, J.J. Abrams said they would respect the continuity, which is not the same thing as hard core canon. To that end, I would have expected that J.J. has done what every other Trek production has done….Hire scientific advisors, and Trek advisors like Mike Okuda. I hope at least.

73. the dax - August 21, 2007

The point is they could have given them cloak, and still remain true to canon.
The simply had to make sure we never see the main cast watch one decloak. But they totally blew it by showing people on the hull see them become “invisible”
The logical way to handle this would have been to make the Romulans have the ability to become invisible to sensors, thus showing they are a secretive race who use technology for stealth, ultimately, in the future, resulting in the famous Cloaking Device we all know-
VOILA, no contradictions and everything is A-OK.

I mean this episode has more continuity problems than the whole of DS9 and TNG together and all the creators had to do for their millions of cash is to watch TOS and build their stories accordingly.

Either the writers didn’t know jack about TOS or they thought this lame episode warranted such a blatant disregard for canon.
And I don’t know what’s worse.

74. Etha Williams - August 21, 2007

#72 “Individual bits of “canon” often must be ignored, in a sense.”

I agree that there are situations where it is necessary, but as #73 says, it was not in this case…plus, this was an entire episode that they were completely contradicting, not just an “individual bit of canon.”

(To be fair, my harsh judgments may be informed by the fact that BoT was one of my fav TOS episodes, and perhaps this contradiction of it made me unduly angered.)

75. Etha Williams - August 21, 2007

Addendum: I think the Eugenics Wars were one such case where breaking continuity was warranted, especially given how much it clashes with the timeline in which we, the viewers, exist. IMO, setting them so soon in the future — in a time that Roddenberry must have known much of his audience would eventually live to see — was a mistake. But so it goes.

76. girl6 - August 21, 2007

#57 & #70:

Like I said, there are those similarities that *women* notice. Since the announcement of Quinto as young Spock, every time I see him he seems more and more like Nimoy–not Spock, Nimoy. Or Nimoy’s morphing into Quinto. Either way, one of them is an incredible mimic.

Gravitas? Ok. Yeah. Sure. But I’m talking about mojo. Nimoy’s got so much mojo that it continues on the next guy.

I just saw him in Vegas last week and I was all like, “Day-um.” Leonard’s still got it. Zachary aint too far behind.

And another thing:

Canon schmanon. Argue away, fanboys. Anybody who knows anything knows that TOS was about sex. Talk all you want about socio-political relevance and whatever. Those people are(were) attractive. I watched each episode(and you know you did, too) to see if Kirk was going to make out with some beautiful woman or take off his shirt…always walking around with a big ass boner. How did *that *get past the censors in the 60s?

And when Spock stood in sickbay in that tight black t-shirt? Good lord and goddamn. Hey, great scene in briefing room 2 but baby, please take off your shirt again.

Then there’s Uhura, Andrea, Helen Noel, Joanne Linville and about gazillion other excruciatingly beautiful women.

What if Martin Landau had played Kirk? Great actor, but do you think we’d be here, now, talking about movie #11? Nah. Roddenberry didn’t have much mojo of his own but he knew where to get it.

Zachary Quinto is hot. Let’s just hope that Abrams gets it right with the rest of the cast.

http://www.spockjones.blogspot.com

77. Etha Williams - August 22, 2007

#76 — Why can’t something be about sex *and* sociopolitical relevance at the same time? Or the sociopolitical relevance of sex ;).

78. TB - August 22, 2007

I still believe it is the characters & the stories that made Star Trek great. TOS simply was a reflection of the times which basically for the sixties was sex, drugs & rock’n’roll. Throw in race relations, the Cold War, Viet Nam, & radical activism, you’ve got the plotline for almost every episode. The mini-skirts & the line “where no man has gone before” is not politically correct these days, and yet the mini-skirt is more popular than ever. Perhaps a more fitting replacement for “man” might have been human because “one” seems to at least encompass every humonoid species. There is always “someone” there (villian, enemy, civilization in distress), otherwise there’d be no story except for warping around looking at the cool nebulas & whatnot.

79. TB - August 22, 2007

Sorry, I wanted to address a few other issues. If everyone will recall, Spock acted totally human in “The Cage,” i.e., laughing, getting excited, etc. So I’ve been thinking that perhaps this film is about Spock evolving into the emotionless, logical being that we all know & love. Perhaps, then, the rest of the cast, including Kirk, are mere window dressing. Chekov could be a Wesley Crusher-type character where we see him as someone’s son getting ready to go off to Starfleet Academy (which is why he was abesent in season one of TOS). Maybe, as someone stated, we see Kirk as a young Lt. aboard his first ship which has an encounter with the Enterprise. Other than speculation, I’m not convinced Christopher Pike will even be in the movie. And, if Shatner is not in the movie, I see no reason why they would need to find an actor who resembles him. If you think about it, every Captain of the Enterprise (with the exception of Spock) as well as Katherine Janeway pretty much have the same personality. The differences are created by the actors who portray them, and Kirk was a definite reflection of Shatner. The only difference in the characters of Kirk & Denny Crane is that Shatner can now make glorious fun at his own cocky, strutting, scene-stealing persona. And if anyone can handle continuity, it’s Abrams & company, because “Lost” is flawless.

the remaining characters

80. girl6 - August 22, 2007

#77

LOL. Yep. ;)

I think of the socio-political relevance of Uhura. A woman. A professional. An African. In the 60s.

We sat there with our mouths open when she yelled right back at the captain–a *white* man– and *he* apologized. On TV! We’d never seen anything like it.

From that point on, I was going to be Lt. Uhura. Her face and that scene was what I conjured in my little girl mind whenever I encountered racist attitudes.

Trek changes lives.

Spock is hot.

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