Comments on: The Two Spocks Talk Trek – Yelchin & Some Details Confirmed http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/ the source for Star Trek news and information Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:02:04 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: STXI Sammelpost Handlung - SciFi-Forum http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/comment-page-2/#comment-941902 STXI Sammelpost Handlung - SciFi-Forum Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:19:20 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/#comment-941902 [...] series) was established. These characters are in a completely different stage of their lives. The Two Spocks Talk Trek – Yelchin & Some Details Confirmed | TrekMovie.com Dies würde für eine Handlung möglicherweise um den TOS-Pilotfilm “The Cage” sprechen. [...]

]]> By: STXI Sammelpost Handlung - SciFi-Forum http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/comment-page-2/#comment-375693 STXI Sammelpost Handlung - SciFi-Forum Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:22:06 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/#comment-375693 [...] Zitat von TrekMovie.com I really identify with Spock’s struggle. We’re going back to a time before anything (Nimoy did in the original series) was established. These characters are in a completely different stage of their lives. The Two Spocks Talk Trek – Yelchin & Some Details Confirmed | TrekMovie.com Dies würde für eine Handlung möglicherweise um den TOS-Pilotfilm “The Cage” sprechen. Dies wird dann auch durch eine seit längerem bekannte Besetzungsliste untermauert: Zitat: [...]

]]> By: TrekLog » Blog Archive » Trek XI - Newsflash http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/comment-page-2/#comment-220111 TrekLog » Blog Archive » Trek XI - Newsflash Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:52:07 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/#comment-220111 [...] Was ist eigentlich seit der letzten Convention alles passiert? Eigentlich viel (was Meldungen des Trek Movie Report angeht) und zugleich doch recht wenig! Zunächst einmal hat sich das Casting-Karussell ein wenig weitergedreht. Nicht Sydney Poitier, sondern eine junge Dame namens Zoe Saldana wurde für die Rolle des Kommunikationsoffiziers der Enterprise, Nyota Uhura, hochoffiziell gecastet und unter Vertrag genommen. Somit sind schon 3 Mitglieder der Originalcharaktere gecastet worden: Spock, Chekov und Uhura! Als nächstes wird wohl der Chefingenieur Scotty gecastet werden, denn Berichten zufolge wird derzeit nach einem Darsteller gesucht! Daniel Dae Kim aus Lost (hat auch schon bei Star Trek: Voyager Gastauftritte gehabt) gilt ebenso als heißer Kandidat für die Rolle des Navigators Hikaru Sulu, aber wir Leser wissen ja, dass es dahingehend gleich mehrere Bewerbungen zu geben scheint. Der neue Spock-Darsteller Zachary Quinto bereitet sich hingegen ganz speziell auf seine Rolle vor. Anstelle des intensiven Studiums alte Star Trek-Episoden versucht er, sich mit der Person hinter Spock, Leonard Nimoy, zu beschäftigen. Somit verbringen die beiden sehr viel Zeit miteinander und laden sich gegenseitig zum Essen ein, wenngleich die Mythologie, d.h. die vulkanisch-romulanischen Ursprünge, dennoch in Quintos Interesse zu liegen scheint. Ãœber die Plot-Details zu Star Trek XI hatte ich jüngst schon einen Kommentar abgegeben, und laut Quinto handelt es sich bei Trek XI um ein Projekt, dass weitere Fortsetzungen wahrscheinlich macht… damit bestätigt er auch den Wunsch des Autorenteams Orci und Kurtzman, die sich beide ebenso Fortsetzungen erhoffen würden. Zuguterletzt kann man noch sagen, dass nebenbei Russell Crowe kurzzeitig als Bösewicht im Gespräch war (was jedoch Hinweise auf das gesuchte Kaliber des gesuchten Darstellers gibt) und dass das uralte Jennifer Garner Gerücht im Zusammenhang mit einer Liebesaffäre Spock’s wieder aufgetaucht ist. Ãœbrigens muss es sich bei dieser Liebesaffäre keinesfalls um ein Produkt des Pon Farr handeln, denn der neue Spock wird wesentlich emotionaler sein und damit wohl an Nimoy’s Darstellung aus dem ersten Pilotfilm The Cage anknüpfen. Trek ist also in aller Munde und wir haben dahingehend wohl noch spannende Zeiten vor uns… [...] [...] Was ist eigentlich seit der letzten Convention alles passiert? Eigentlich viel (was Meldungen des Trek Movie Report angeht) und zugleich doch recht wenig! Zunächst einmal hat sich das Casting-Karussell ein wenig weitergedreht. Nicht Sydney Poitier, sondern eine junge Dame namens Zoe Saldana wurde für die Rolle des Kommunikationsoffiziers der Enterprise, Nyota Uhura, hochoffiziell gecastet und unter Vertrag genommen. Somit sind schon 3 Mitglieder der Originalcharaktere gecastet worden: Spock, Chekov und Uhura! Als nächstes wird wohl der Chefingenieur Scotty gecastet werden, denn Berichten zufolge wird derzeit nach einem Darsteller gesucht! Daniel Dae Kim aus Lost (hat auch schon bei Star Trek: Voyager Gastauftritte gehabt) gilt ebenso als heißer Kandidat für die Rolle des Navigators Hikaru Sulu, aber wir Leser wissen ja, dass es dahingehend gleich mehrere Bewerbungen zu geben scheint. Der neue Spock-Darsteller Zachary Quinto bereitet sich hingegen ganz speziell auf seine Rolle vor. Anstelle des intensiven Studiums alte Star Trek-Episoden versucht er, sich mit der Person hinter Spock, Leonard Nimoy, zu beschäftigen. Somit verbringen die beiden sehr viel Zeit miteinander und laden sich gegenseitig zum Essen ein, wenngleich die Mythologie, d.h. die vulkanisch-romulanischen Ursprünge, dennoch in Quintos Interesse zu liegen scheint. Ãœber die Plot-Details zu Star Trek XI hatte ich jüngst schon einen Kommentar abgegeben, und laut Quinto handelt es sich bei Trek XI um ein Projekt, dass weitere Fortsetzungen wahrscheinlich macht… damit bestätigt er auch den Wunsch des Autorenteams Orci und Kurtzman, die sich beide ebenso Fortsetzungen erhoffen würden. Zuguterletzt kann man noch sagen, dass nebenbei Russell Crowe kurzzeitig als Bösewicht im Gespräch war (was jedoch Hinweise auf das gesuchte Kaliber des gesuchten Darstellers gibt) und dass das uralte Jennifer Garner Gerücht im Zusammenhang mit einer Liebesaffäre Spock’s wieder aufgetaucht ist. Ãœbrigens muss es sich bei dieser Liebesaffäre keinesfalls um ein Produkt des Pon Farr handeln, denn der neue Spock wird wesentlich emotionaler sein und damit wohl an Nimoy’s Darstellung aus dem ersten Pilotfilm The Cage anknüpfen. Trek ist also in aller Munde und wir haben dahingehend wohl noch spannende Zeiten vor uns… [...]

]]> By: girl6 http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/comment-page-2/#comment-193757 girl6 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:03:14 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/#comment-193757 #77 LOL. Yep. ;) I think of the socio-political relevance of Uhura. A woman. A professional. An African. In the 60s. We sat there with our mouths open when she yelled right back at the captain--a *white* man-- and *he* apologized. On TV! We'd never seen anything like it. From that point on, I was going to be Lt. Uhura. Her face and that scene was what I conjured in my little girl mind whenever I encountered racist attitudes. Trek changes lives. Spock is hot. #77

LOL. Yep. ;)

I think of the socio-political relevance of Uhura. A woman. A professional. An African. In the 60s.

We sat there with our mouths open when she yelled right back at the captain–a *white* man– and *he* apologized. On TV! We’d never seen anything like it.

From that point on, I was going to be Lt. Uhura. Her face and that scene was what I conjured in my little girl mind whenever I encountered racist attitudes.

Trek changes lives.

Spock is hot.

]]> By: TB http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/comment-page-2/#comment-193593 TB Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:14:18 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/#comment-193593 Sorry, I wanted to address a few other issues. If everyone will recall, Spock acted totally human in "The Cage," i.e., laughing, getting excited, etc. So I've been thinking that perhaps this film is about Spock evolving into the emotionless, logical being that we all know & love. Perhaps, then, the rest of the cast, including Kirk, are mere window dressing. Chekov could be a Wesley Crusher-type character where we see him as someone's son getting ready to go off to Starfleet Academy (which is why he was abesent in season one of TOS). Maybe, as someone stated, we see Kirk as a young Lt. aboard his first ship which has an encounter with the Enterprise. Other than speculation, I'm not convinced Christopher Pike will even be in the movie. And, if Shatner is not in the movie, I see no reason why they would need to find an actor who resembles him. If you think about it, every Captain of the Enterprise (with the exception of Spock) as well as Katherine Janeway pretty much have the same personality. The differences are created by the actors who portray them, and Kirk was a definite reflection of Shatner. The only difference in the characters of Kirk & Denny Crane is that Shatner can now make glorious fun at his own cocky, strutting, scene-stealing persona. And if anyone can handle continuity, it's Abrams & company, because "Lost" is flawless. the remaining characters Sorry, I wanted to address a few other issues. If everyone will recall, Spock acted totally human in “The Cage,” i.e., laughing, getting excited, etc. So I’ve been thinking that perhaps this film is about Spock evolving into the emotionless, logical being that we all know & love. Perhaps, then, the rest of the cast, including Kirk, are mere window dressing. Chekov could be a Wesley Crusher-type character where we see him as someone’s son getting ready to go off to Starfleet Academy (which is why he was abesent in season one of TOS). Maybe, as someone stated, we see Kirk as a young Lt. aboard his first ship which has an encounter with the Enterprise. Other than speculation, I’m not convinced Christopher Pike will even be in the movie. And, if Shatner is not in the movie, I see no reason why they would need to find an actor who resembles him. If you think about it, every Captain of the Enterprise (with the exception of Spock) as well as Katherine Janeway pretty much have the same personality. The differences are created by the actors who portray them, and Kirk was a definite reflection of Shatner. The only difference in the characters of Kirk & Denny Crane is that Shatner can now make glorious fun at his own cocky, strutting, scene-stealing persona. And if anyone can handle continuity, it’s Abrams & company, because “Lost” is flawless.

the remaining characters

]]> By: TB http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/comment-page-2/#comment-193575 TB Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:43:46 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/#comment-193575 I still believe it is the characters & the stories that made Star Trek great. TOS simply was a reflection of the times which basically for the sixties was sex, drugs & rock'n'roll. Throw in race relations, the Cold War, Viet Nam, & radical activism, you've got the plotline for almost every episode. The mini-skirts & the line "where no man has gone before" is not politically correct these days, and yet the mini-skirt is more popular than ever. Perhaps a more fitting replacement for "man" might have been human because "one" seems to at least encompass every humonoid species. There is always "someone" there (villian, enemy, civilization in distress), otherwise there'd be no story except for warping around looking at the cool nebulas & whatnot. I still believe it is the characters & the stories that made Star Trek great. TOS simply was a reflection of the times which basically for the sixties was sex, drugs & rock’n'roll. Throw in race relations, the Cold War, Viet Nam, & radical activism, you’ve got the plotline for almost every episode. The mini-skirts & the line “where no man has gone before” is not politically correct these days, and yet the mini-skirt is more popular than ever. Perhaps a more fitting replacement for “man” might have been human because “one” seems to at least encompass every humonoid species. There is always “someone” there (villian, enemy, civilization in distress), otherwise there’d be no story except for warping around looking at the cool nebulas & whatnot.

]]> By: Etha Williams http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/comment-page-2/#comment-193331 Etha Williams Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:48:09 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/#comment-193331 #76 -- Why can't something be about sex *and* sociopolitical relevance at the same time? Or the sociopolitical relevance of sex ;). #76 — Why can’t something be about sex *and* sociopolitical relevance at the same time? Or the sociopolitical relevance of sex ;).

]]> By: girl6 http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/comment-page-2/#comment-193133 girl6 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:18:01 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/#comment-193133 #57 & #70: Like I said, there are those similarities that *women* notice. Since the announcement of Quinto as young Spock, every time I see him he seems more and more like Nimoy--not Spock, Nimoy. Or Nimoy's morphing into Quinto. Either way, one of them is an incredible mimic. Gravitas? Ok. Yeah. Sure. But I'm talking about mojo. Nimoy's got so much mojo that it continues on the next guy. I just saw him in Vegas last week and I was all like, "Day-um." Leonard's still got it. Zachary aint too far behind. And another thing: Canon schmanon. Argue away, fanboys. Anybody who knows anything knows that TOS was about sex. Talk all you want about socio-political relevance and whatever. Those people are(were) attractive. I watched each episode(and you know you did, too) to see if Kirk was going to make out with some beautiful woman or take off his shirt...always walking around with a big ass boner. How did *that *get past the censors in the 60s? And when Spock stood in sickbay in that tight black t-shirt? Good lord and goddamn. Hey, great scene in briefing room 2 but baby, please take off your shirt again. Then there's Uhura, Andrea, Helen Noel, Joanne Linville and about gazillion other excruciatingly beautiful women. What if Martin Landau had played Kirk? Great actor, but do you think we'd be here, now, talking about movie #11? Nah. Roddenberry didn't have much mojo of his own but he knew where to get it. Zachary Quinto is hot. Let's just hope that Abrams gets it right with the rest of the cast. www.spockjones.blogspot.com #57 & #70:

Like I said, there are those similarities that *women* notice. Since the announcement of Quinto as young Spock, every time I see him he seems more and more like Nimoy–not Spock, Nimoy. Or Nimoy’s morphing into Quinto. Either way, one of them is an incredible mimic.

Gravitas? Ok. Yeah. Sure. But I’m talking about mojo. Nimoy’s got so much mojo that it continues on the next guy.

I just saw him in Vegas last week and I was all like, “Day-um.” Leonard’s still got it. Zachary aint too far behind.

And another thing:

Canon schmanon. Argue away, fanboys. Anybody who knows anything knows that TOS was about sex. Talk all you want about socio-political relevance and whatever. Those people are(were) attractive. I watched each episode(and you know you did, too) to see if Kirk was going to make out with some beautiful woman or take off his shirt…always walking around with a big ass boner. How did *that *get past the censors in the 60s?

And when Spock stood in sickbay in that tight black t-shirt? Good lord and goddamn. Hey, great scene in briefing room 2 but baby, please take off your shirt again.

Then there’s Uhura, Andrea, Helen Noel, Joanne Linville and about gazillion other excruciatingly beautiful women.

What if Martin Landau had played Kirk? Great actor, but do you think we’d be here, now, talking about movie #11? Nah. Roddenberry didn’t have much mojo of his own but he knew where to get it.

Zachary Quinto is hot. Let’s just hope that Abrams gets it right with the rest of the cast.

http://www.spockjones.blogspot.com

]]> By: Etha Williams http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/comment-page-2/#comment-192986 Etha Williams Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:11:38 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/#comment-192986 Addendum: I think the Eugenics Wars were one such case where breaking continuity was warranted, especially given how much it clashes with the timeline in which we, the viewers, exist. IMO, setting them so soon in the future -- in a time that Roddenberry must have known much of his audience would eventually live to see -- was a mistake. But so it goes. Addendum: I think the Eugenics Wars were one such case where breaking continuity was warranted, especially given how much it clashes with the timeline in which we, the viewers, exist. IMO, setting them so soon in the future — in a time that Roddenberry must have known much of his audience would eventually live to see — was a mistake. But so it goes.

]]> By: Etha Williams http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/comment-page-2/#comment-192974 Etha Williams Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:02:41 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/see-the-new-spocks-quinto-nimoy-together/#comment-192974 #72 "Individual bits of "canon" often must be ignored, in a sense." I agree that there are situations where it is necessary, but as #73 says, it was not in this case...plus, this was an entire episode that they were completely contradicting, not just an "individual bit of canon." (To be fair, my harsh judgments may be informed by the fact that BoT was one of my fav TOS episodes, and perhaps this contradiction of it made me unduly angered.) #72 “Individual bits of “canon” often must be ignored, in a sense.”

I agree that there are situations where it is necessary, but as #73 says, it was not in this case…plus, this was an entire episode that they were completely contradicting, not just an “individual bit of canon.”

(To be fair, my harsh judgments may be informed by the fact that BoT was one of my fav TOS episodes, and perhaps this contradiction of it made me unduly angered.)

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