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Video Preview of TOS Remastered HD-DVD August 30, 2007

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: TOS-R Preview , trackback

The 8+ minute video preview (below) of the Season 1 Star Trek TOS Box Set in HD-DVD has been shown by CBS at some recent cons. It shows some of the cool HD features, previews of the Billy Blackburn behind the scenes footage as well as a glimpse at unseen effects.

Final Box Art:

If you didn’t notice it in the update to the amazon pre-order availability article, here is the finalized box art (click to enlarge)

 

 

 

Buy it from Amazon.com. And pick up a HD-DVD player if you need one of those

 

 

 

Preview courtesy of STARTREK.COM

Comments

1. Jim J - August 30, 2007

LOVE the Galileo 7 stuff, super!

2. DavidJ - August 30, 2007

Damn, I gotta say that definitely made the set look cool…..

Although I wonder if that interactive Enterprise feature works with the regular DVD or just the HD?

3. SHANE S. - August 30, 2007

I’ve been holding off on buying a HD DvD player, what with the battle raging between HD-DVD and Blueray, but I think this may nudge me over to the HD-DVD camp. Looks fantastic!

4. Harry Ballz - August 30, 2007

Pretty sweet!

5. DJT - August 30, 2007

Nice special features, guys.

BUT

I’d rather see all that time, effort and money have been spent on fixing all those LITTLE things that weren’t touched by CBS-D when these episodes aired as TOSR.

Fix – that – Ish.

I mean, I know all the damn trivia already.

6. Nelson - August 30, 2007

Cool trailer. Did I hear right, wasn’t the theme music at the end of the trailer the original theme music and not the remastered/re-recorded version? Hmmmm.

7. KirkTrekModeler - August 30, 2007

Sweet, nice, awesome, great, but at that price. Forget it! I’m just not walking up to the milking machine any more anf having my wallet milked! Noy gonna happen, because I KNOW that the price will come down, or I can get it from e-bay, in a couple of years, for a LOT less.

I support the Trek Community, but I do not support being ripped off every couple of years with reworked versions of the same things.

Yeah, the effects are purdy, but whoop de do. I’ve seen guys over at Trekbbs do better jobs!

Speaking of which, I see a lot of cues from guys over there, Vektor, Tallguy, Prof Mo….the list is endless.

Paraborg has no problem with C&D’s for people they think are ripping them off, but they don’t mind ripping the fams off.

Personally I think Mike and Denise Okuda have been doing a diservice to the fans for a long time.

This whole thing stinks. Sorry, just the way I feel.

8. Cranston - August 31, 2007

Nice preview, and I especially like the Galileo Seven shots. While not my favorite episode, I’ve been eagerly waiting to see what they do with it. It has so many opportunities for really exciting effects upgrades.

But the biggest revelation from this trailer?

Painted goats.

9. Chris M - August 31, 2007

AWESOME!!!!!

Would be great to see all the behind the scenes stuff.

10. trektacular - August 31, 2007

Trek is over exploited, Paramount needs to calm the hell down and look for some other cash cow

11. Cervantes - August 31, 2007

#5 DJT

I echo those views…and it’s a real pity that at the very least, the 5 episodes with the ‘early’ CGI Enterprise haven’t been altered to include the current better CGI version…

Which is STILL too ‘darkly’ coloured for my liking, compared to the ‘brighter, whiter’ looking version of old… ;)

I am sure that whoever does buy these overpriced sets will enjoy them, but at this point I’ll stick to my originals. However, the actual ‘cleaned-up’ live-action shots are a joy to see…

12. Mark Lynch - August 31, 2007

Looks nice, but I will have to wait until HD-DVD players come down in price and the box set too, because as seems all to usual when the big corporations price things up (as far as the UK are concerned) $1 = £1 no matter what the exchange rate is. I bet we will be asked to pay £199 for this set.

Quite happy to wait a 2-3 years for the set to drop to a realistic price.

But as I said the video preview look really nice, but not worth the asking price.

13. R.C. Williams - August 31, 2007

I’m so there come Nov 20th.

I’m also waiting to see what they do with the floating city of Stratos and the Federation ships in “The Ultimate Computer.” I bet this set will look spectacular in HD. So far the remastered episodes have only been airing in SD on network television, so I think those who are not familiar with HD will be surprised when they finally see these ep’s for the first time in full 1080p glory.

I know I can’t wait.

14. Neel - August 31, 2007

Xbox live has a couple HD episodes, are those the same remastered versions as these?

15. JB Gestl - August 31, 2007

Awesome! I’ll buy it.

The painted goats remind me of my Blue Nosed Ice-Hoofer. (In my bar, The Escape Pod, I have a deer head on the wall that was shot by my grandfather. I painted its fur blue & white, its nose blue of course, and its hooves & antlers silver).

My bar, The Escape Pod, is one of the 2 rooms in my attic. The other is the Bridge.

16. jonboc - August 31, 2007

Hot damn. This looks fun. No more crappy syndication cuts for my remastered Trek ( for the 1st season anyway). All these features totally satisfy my inner geek and I will happily throw down $139 for the HD experience. I realise the pervcieved value of this set is totally subjective, but as far as I’m concerned, it’s worth every penny.

17. AjaxLou - August 31, 2007

Hmm the preview keeps locking on the elevator doors opening. Anyone else having that problem?

18. AjaxLou - August 31, 2007

Update – got the Windows Media Player version to work! Looks very good. The shuttle flyby around the Enterprise looks very cool.

So glad I decided to hold off buying any of the previous releases.

19. Scott Gammans - August 31, 2007

Hm, interesting. At least one shot of the Enterprise at the beginning of that clip is lifted from the “Star Trek: New Voyages” vignette “Center Seat”. (It’s the shot of the Enterprise twirling like a whirling dervish towards the Sun.) I wonder if James Crawley is aware of this?

20. SNAKE - August 31, 2007

glad i didnt get TOS on dvd b4 – if i had i would be SEVERLY pissed off

21. JGG1701 - August 31, 2007

Nice but, good lord, As much as I like TOS I can’t justify myself paying the price. Too bad :-(

22. Lao3D - August 31, 2007

Hmmm, the tide seems to be shifting away from “heck no, we won’t buy…”

It does look pretty enticing, I’ll give them that. Still have to force myself to wait out the format wars a bit longer though.

23. Scott Gammans - August 31, 2007

At least we now know for certain that they’re maintaining the original 4:3 aspect ratio of the series, and we also now know what they’re going to do with the black bars on either side of the screen.

24. Richard Gere - August 31, 2007

Is this all the first season episodes or is it just a volume one set of some of the first season with a volume two with more first season episodes to come? And does the DVD side of the disc play everything that HD- DVD side plays?

25. doubleofive - August 31, 2007

#14, Xbox Live Marketplace has the remastered episodes in 720p, with the live action in 4:3 and the effects in 16:9. The HD-DVDs are 1080p, with both the live action and effects in 4:3, and the bonus features in 16:9.

I keep saying this, but even though CBS-D says that the Xbox ones’ effects being 16:9 is a mistake, this is the way I want to see it. They rendered the effects in 16:9, for what reason if they are just cropping it down for this “ultimate” HD set? You’re not losing anything with the Xbox version in regards to the live action, but you are gaining almost half of the new effects.

I’m still debating on whether or not to get the seasons or to download them off of Xbox Live, but I think the interactive tour of the Enterprise is about 1000 times better than I expected, and is almost worth the asking price alone for me.

26. doubleofive - August 31, 2007

#23, and I agree, if they’re not going to have the effects 16:9, I do appreciate the bonus buttons in the blank space, and the control panel effects on the side-by-side videos.

27. TomBot2007 - August 31, 2007

I had lots of fun watching Re-Mastered TOS, but I am NOT buying this… As of right now, I have no copies of TOS, whatsoever, so I [i]could[/i] be in the market, but I am not buying something that is overpriced and half-assed. I’ll wait or buy a used set of TOS… I don’t mind the old cheesey effects at all. And I could care less the packaging on these sets, in fact, gimmicky packaging is lame in my opinion.

28. Scott Gammans - August 31, 2007

I’m betting that when the CGI F/X are on screen that the black bars (and perhaps the icons as well) simply disappear and we *do* see the F/X in 16:9 aspect.

29. Woulfe - August 31, 2007

Nice stuff, BUT, price needs to come down from Arm & Leg to something I can afford.

Sorry CBS, I know you want a piece of the Star Trek pie but your asking for a far to BIG piece right off the bat.

Color this Star Trek fan unimpressed with your greed.

– W –
* Unimpressed With CBS’s Greed Star Trek Fan *

30. billy don't be a hiro - August 31, 2007

If Bob Justman’s happy, I’m happy.

31. Duane Boda - August 31, 2007

Some of the stuff showing the actors recalling certain episodes and key shots were quite interesting but why must they include such (garbage) like comments from DC Fontana?
Let the old bat write a book IF she feels it worthy of her time and so on. Why fill up space on a otherwise fine looking DVD? Paramount should have consulted with the fans first before they decided what to put on these disks as extras because much of it is just excessive IF you ask me. The way they presented the extras….it jumped around too much going from here to there. Lets all hope that this preview was just that and not so messy.

32. Ty Webb - August 31, 2007

After that (and asides from the price) I don’t think anybody in their right mind could criticise this package.

33. sean - August 31, 2007

#31

Like it or not, DC helped shape Trek into what it is. Why would you object to having her commentary on the DVD? Calling her inclusion here ‘garbage’ and referring to her as ‘an old bat’ is kind of OTT.

#19

I’m pretty sure the shot you’re referring to is from the remastered ‘Tomorrow is Yesterday’. I doubt Paramount would be using any shots from New Voyages.

34. Dr. Image - August 31, 2007

What nauseates and angers me TO NO END is that with all the propaganda and hype, with all the bragging about technology and restoration, with the CBS team ADMITTING that their original Enterprise looked like shit, they DID NOT go back and correct those slipshod amateurish digital effects that were perpetrated on those early episodes. And now were supposed to be impressed and PAY to have even sharper versions of those initial episodes??
It’s still all about greed and insulting the collective intelligence of Star Trek fans YET AGAIN.
Well, F-U Paramount. You’ve taken ENOUGH of our money over 40 years.
(Notice they didn’t show the shitty digital Enterprise in the previews.)
#5-DJT. YES.

35. OneBuckFilms - August 31, 2007

#25

This is the first season, the same episodes as the first season DVD set.

I’m beginning to warm up to this set, though I’m still inclined to wait, since I have to prioritize my christmas wish-list, and cannot afford this myself at this time.

36. Cranston - August 31, 2007

# 31: Woah there — what’s with the anti-Fontana venom?

37. Cranston - August 31, 2007

#33 – Yeah, that looks like a “Tomorrow is Yesterday” clip to me too.

38. Chris Barker - August 31, 2007

# 12 – HMV have it for £91.99.

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=224;5;36;-1&sku=700740&tduid=de39714c336a0883de6bdda5592ea48b

39. Buckaroohawk - August 31, 2007

Well, that was an illuminating preview. I have to say, after watching it, that I’m much more impressed with the TOS-R Season One package than I was before. I’m still not going to pay that much money for it, but at least now I have a better idea of exactly what’s on those disks.

The preview raised two HUGE questions for me, though. When discussing the new FX, one of the guys on-screen said they went back to the original negatives of the series so that they were working “with the same footage they had when the show was produced.” Here are my questions:

1. I didn’t think those negatives existed anymore. Was I misinformed?

And if they do exist…

2. Why didn’t CBS Digital fix more of the FX (like lousy hand phaser beams, etc.)? If they were working from the negatives, it would have made that task a great deal easier.

Can someone clear this up for me? It’s got me quite confused.

Other things:

KirkTrekModeler (#7): I must disagree. Aside from fans, the Okudas have done more to keep the heart of Trek beating than anyone else. They stuck with it when everyone else was retreating and their involvement in projects like TOS-R likely kept the new FX team from going all “Battlestar Galactica” on us. They have unparalleled experience, plus the wisdom and restraint that kept the project from completely derailing. I feel they’ve done an outstanding job on every aspect of Trek they’ve been involved with.

Duane (#31) What’s with the rancor towards D.C. Fontana? She was an integral part in the formation of TOS and, as such, she has a wealth of inside information about the series. There’s no good reason not to include her comments. If you don’t want to hear them, you don’t have to press the button that activates them. So what’s your beef. Calling the woman “an old bat” is way out of line. What did she do, run over your dog or something?

40. Lord Garth Formerly of Izar - August 31, 2007

Dr. Image on fire!!!!!!! and on target!!!!!!!!!

41. star trackie - August 31, 2007

#31 I’d much rather hear what DC Fontana has to say about Trek, a series she had a hand in creating, than read what you don’t want to see in a product you have absolutely nothing to do with.

42. Nelson - August 31, 2007

Pardon my sarcasm, but I’m starting to take score now, how many comments are there for bring Shatner back to join Leonard Nimoy in Star Trek vs. how many comments are posted that they won’t buy this HD-DVD set because of the price…. ; )

It’s a great looking set and I can support it.

43. MichaelJohn - August 31, 2007

I really like the extras for this boxset but still won’t bite at the current asking price. No biggie…I just patiently wait for the price to come down by 50% before I decide to buy.

Mike :o

44. Harry Ballz - August 31, 2007

So, people here are accusing Paramount of either milking a cash cow or killing the goose that lays the golden eggs! Well, which is it? Milk or eggs? Make sure you place your delivery order today! Me? It’s lunchtime and I’m hungry!

45. Commodore Z - August 31, 2007

I’m getting it!

46. Greg2600 - August 31, 2007

Amazon price is $138.95, which is lower than most Trek seasons on regular DVD when they first came out. My only issue is whether cast interviews from the 2004 DVD releases make their way onto this one?

47. CmdrR. - August 31, 2007

What, no inflatable Rand? Forget it!
Love the package. Not in love at all with the price. Paramount needs to think in terms of everyman budgets and make a little each from a whole lot of people.

Thanks for the free preview, though. Love the Galileo 7 sneak peaks.

48. OneBuckFilms - August 31, 2007

#45

Now now Harry, don’t get me craving food. I’m on a diet.

I see a lot on this set that is great, and I would easily go for it, but finances are blocking me at this time.

To be blunt, there are other things I want to spend the money on, and the funding is somewhat low for me to get all of the items I want.

The Trekker in me would love to get this, and upgrade everything to High-Def, but unfortunately I’m low on cash, and find it harder to justify the price of this item in relation to the other items on the horizon.

When these items are produced, I sometimes wonder how much consideration is given to the fact that not many people can easily drop down $140-$200 for 1 season of a television show I already have.

The item is worth the money, but for the fact that I already have the original versions of the episodes.

For this reason, I’d love to see a DVD Season 1 release without the thrills (or even without HD-DVD content) of the Remastered episodes for the same price as the original season 1 DVD sets.

I will wait for a price reduction or a suitable income increase before I can get these DVDs.

I also believe that the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray High-Def formats are still too new for me to commit to that technology, since one format or the other could disappear, and it is going to be expensive compared to standard-def technology for the short-medium term.

A note about CBS-Digital’s efforts here:
Although they had a couple of teething troubles, I believe that this is one of the most interesting and exciting additions to Star Trek I have seen.

I am also really happy with 90% of their work, and look forward to seeing the rest of the project completed.

Also, those 5 episodes may have to wait until the rest is done to be modified, and I hope if/when this gets done, we get the chance for replacement disks with the revisions on them.

49. doubleofive - August 31, 2007

$140?! The perfect Christmas present for me!

50. Robert Bernardo - August 31, 2007

The CBS panel is showed this preview to the interested crowd at the Las Vegas Creation Star Trek Convention on August 11.

51. Harry Ballz - August 31, 2007

#47 “inflatable Rand”
I laughed my ass off! What a great idea! Better not say it too loud, Paramount would probably do it! Watch, on the outside of the box it’ll say, “she never has a headache!”. No, but you do by the time you finish blowing her up!!

52. Robert Saint John - August 31, 2007

This looks like a fantastic set, loaded with extras that justify the Amazon price. I never finished buying all of the regular DVDs, so I think I’m definitely going to spring for this. I don’t even have an HD player yet, but the interactive features are enough to prompt me to go for HD-DVD at this point. In fact, is there another TV or movie HD or BR release that has as many interactive features as this disc does?

53. R.C. Williams - August 31, 2007

For those interested:

The price of HD-DVD players have dropped drastically. Amazon currently has a special where you can get the Toshiba HD-A2 with 8 free movies for $238. If you have the 10% off Amazon discount it’s even lower. By the time this Trek set is released in late November, it is not a stretch to state that you’ll likely be able to pick this player up in the $150-$200 range. This is just slightly more than the cost of a good standard DVD player or the Trek remastered set. I believe the entry into HD-DVD will be almost risk free come this winter due to price.

54. Rich - August 31, 2007

Prediction: HD-DVD format loses the war right after we all buy this set.

Paramount releases super secret probation version of Star Trek Re-envisionated with a sales price of $250.

And we all buy it again. We’re slaves to the Trek.

55. R.C. Williams - August 31, 2007

RE: #52

BSG S1 has been announced by Universal for HD-DVD on Dec 4 (msrp $99.95 BUT $69.95 pre-order price at Amazon). It will also have video commentaries and interactive features, but i’m not sure that it’ll be as extensive as Treks. “Heroes” which was just released is said to be THE definitvie tv set on HD, and yes, its interactive features are said to be pretty extensive.

The release of these 3 great sci-fi shows exclusively on HD-DVD justified the purchase price of an HD-DVD player for me.

56. Commodore Z - August 31, 2007

Will the Heroes and BSG HD-DVDs be hybrid disks?

57. R.C. Williams - August 31, 2007

Re: #56

No for both.

BSG S1 has been out on SD-DVD for awhile so there’s no reason for a hybrid release. Heroes has an SD-DVD only edition in addition to the HD-DVD edition, so no, they’re not hybrids.

58. Penhall - August 31, 2007

Well Christ, after seeing the trailer Im prob gonna buy the set now. I dont even have an HD player, but I can settle for the standard DVD version of the episodes until I get one.

Damn Paramount, this is gonna be the FOURTH time I purchase the entire TOS series!

59. Dr. Image - August 31, 2007

Ok fine.
If Paramount includes a SOLID SILICONE, anatomically correct Rand, I might give in…

NO– make it an Andrea the android instead and they’ve got a deal.

60. Holo J - August 31, 2007

I’ve finally accepted that we aren’t getting the complete update that some of us had hoped for. I just really hope they do continue to work on this without the deadlines and finally do all those things they didn’t have time for this time around.

I would love to see this finished to the highest standard possible and I’ll gladly wait another 5 or so years for another version of updates in addition to the effect we have seen this time around.

To the power that be at CBS Paramount, if you do take note please give the guys the time and budget they need to get this finished to the highest standard next time. Lets see all of the planet surfaces backdrops updated with some cool backdrops and defiantly update the bridge view screen tie them in with the episodes more. I love to see more done with some of the rubber looking aliens and something done to hide the obvious stunt men shots like the one in Space Seed.

I must admit it’s a good trailer and I love the look of the extras it almost makes me want to get these but I am going to stick with the old DVD’s for now. I love the look of the Quasar and the fuel burn for the Galileo 7. Even though I am disappointed with the incomplete update but I am still looking forward to see what else the guys at CBS Digital come up for the future.

I still hold out hope that one day soon after they finish this current project for the HD DVD’s they will get the chance to go back and do a more complete update for some new DVD’s, HD again or Blue ray depending on which format wins the DVD war.

61. Oceanhopper - August 31, 2007

#54 – You speak the truth!

62. THEETrekmaster - August 31, 2007

TOO HIGH!!! TOO EXPENSIVE!!!
Does Paramount think I am Donald F-ing TRUMP??!!!

I’m waiting for Walmart…$50-$60…

nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!!

63. Utterlee - August 31, 2007

39 –

From what I can gather the final cut master negative exists, which would combine the camera negative for clean unadulterated shots with fx negatives. So it’s not possible to go back to the “clean” negs to do phasers shots etc cos they’ll have been junked.

64. Leonel - August 31, 2007

Wow. Awesome. But there’s that price.. still, I’m starting to reconsider the wait..!

65. THEETrekMaster - August 31, 2007

They’re lieing. If they had the original camera elements, you wouldn’t see FX shots go untouched — such as phaser shots. What they are doing is rotoscoping over the existing animation! They aren’t going back to square one and redoing these animation FX.

For example, Kara from Spock’s Brain…beams in on bridge. There is dust on the animation element in that shot in the original episode. It’s still there now! It’s the same animation effect. The transporter effects are the same.

Now, either they CHOSE not to redo those or they don’t have the original camera footage and are lieing.

66. THEETrekMaster - August 31, 2007

#59 BWAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! Yeah, I’d shell out $139 for that too! LOL!!!

67. THEETrekMaster - August 31, 2007

#59 Amendment: I take that back…it would have to include Yeoman Tonya Barrows….HOT!!!!

68. Jordan - August 31, 2007

OMG BLINKING GORN.

Sold.

69. Joshua P. Allem - September 1, 2007

#34 said…

“What nauseates and angers me TO NO END is that with all the propaganda and hype, with all the bragging about technology and restoration, with the CBS team ADMITTING that their original Enterprise looked like shit, they DID NOT go back and correct those slipshod amateurish digital effects that were perpetrated on those early episodes. And now were supposed to be impressed and PAY to have even sharper versions of those initial episodes??”

I totally agree! And for the life of me, I can’t understand why those same words aren’t expressed over and over again by every single comment by every single commenter on this site.

And my biggest aggrevation is the travesty commited against the opening themes. No matter how close you get your orchestra to the original, you can’t find the same exact woman to sing the theme again and therefore…NO IT’S NOT CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL!

I love the new effects and I love the clean HD. But not fixing their “trial CGI versions” and not having the original theme will make my purchase of these DVDs bitter/sweet. Hopefully, I’ll be able to rip them onto my computer, re-edit them with the original theme music (which I have digital copies of) and fix the handful of episodes where they left in the crappy CGI.

70. Kirky - September 1, 2007

wow only $60?!!! Well it should be!!!

71. Thomas Jensen - September 1, 2007

Well, I’m not buying this for a while, as I’ve said not due to price, but rather the format wars. That being said again, I can appreciate the project and I like 99% of what they’ve done.

But this thing with the opera singer really bugs me. It always has. Sure, go ahead and re-record the theme. Good idea. But to put the singer out in front of the musical elements, so that she’s heard ‘leading the band’ so to speak, that just really irks me. She should be there, but not so .
prominently.

That’ll be what we have to look forward to in the second & third season releases. So I hope they put the chapter mark right after the titles, so I can just skip ahead after the teaser to the start of the first act, which by the way, they don’t always do on the present dvds… which also should be corrected.

72. Joshua P. Allem - September 1, 2007

#71 said…

“But this thing with the opera singer really bugs me. It always has. Sure, go ahead and re-record the theme. Good idea. But to put the singer out in front of the musical elements, so that she’s heard ‘leading the band’ so to speak, that just really irks me. She should be there, but not so .
prominently.”

Exactly. She’s supposed to blend in with a more powerful brass section. But the brass they’ve got now sounds weak while she’s leading the whole piece. In the end, it just sounds weaker.

73. mooseday - September 1, 2007

Honestly, I get sick and tired of the “milking the cash cow”, “greed” etc etc. If Star Trek as a property didn’t make money, there WOULD BE NO STAR TREK. No Trek XI, heck, even ST:TMP was made because they new they could make money out of it.

If you are one of the sad cases that HAS to buy every peice of Trek stuff that Paramount and then complain then they release something else, u got other problems.

As it is, I have no trek at all on DVD but this looks like a nice set and worth picking up.

“Who’s more stupid anyway, the fool that asks for money, or the fool that gives it to him.” – me, just a second ago

74. THEETrekMaster - September 1, 2007

Have I told you guys this thing costs too much lately? Bwahahahahaha!!!

75. Anthony Pascale - September 1, 2007

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76. COMPASSIONATE GOD - September 2, 2007

Eh. Screw this rip off. If I want to pay over $100 for any DVD set, it will be for something rare….not video game-y EFX.

Regarding the extras: I’ll wait till one of my buddies rips a copy for me (that’s right!!); i’ve spent more than enough money on home video Trek–enough to “Feed the Children” until the real 23rd century.

77. Michael Hall - September 2, 2007

So a “Compassionate God” can justify his thievery by citing his own inability to resist Star Trek video products and by implication blaming it all on Paramount. How typical.

78. Nuallain - September 3, 2007

77 posts and nobody’s noticed that they’ve bizarrely put Kirk on the DVD slip in his casual green uniform top and then *coloured it in yellow*.

You’re slipping people…

(But, seriously, what’s up with that?!)

79. COMPASSIONATE GOD - September 3, 2007

#77: The typical part is another senseless comment. I already own the recent history TOS season sets, and in the past, purchased Beta, VHS and even laserdisc versions, therefore, Paramount has earned enough money from this Trekker. As in the case of….I dont know…millions of friends, if one wants to share his purchase with a friend, there is no “thievery” on my part….

….and unless YOU can say you have never recieved a copy of previously released material of ANY kind (print/audio/video, etc.), your rant goes flat. End of story, kiddo.

80. Harry Ballz - September 3, 2007

#79 “if one wants to share his purchase with a friend, there is no ‘thievery’ on my part…”
Nice try, but it doesn’t work that way…..I’m reminded of the quote by James Ramsey Ullman when he said,
“We are so clothed in RATIONALIZATION and dissemblance that we can recognize but dimly the deep primal impulses that motivate us”.

If you want to steal something, don’t lie about it, especially to yourself!

81. COMPASSIONATE GOD - September 3, 2007

#80: Nice try, but the judge is not buying it, Harry. Unless anyone here can say “I have never shared or received a copy of any kind of media EVER”, then all arguments against are pure, steaming BS.

82. Harry Ballz - September 3, 2007

Compassionate, you have a unique perspective on things. You’re pointing the finger of blame at us for suggesting that you are taking something that you didn’t pay for…..I didn’t say the rest of us have never shared a recording or two, but at least we’re not in denial about the action we have taken. It’s not a question of hypocrisy, but rather one of self-honesty. We recognize the transgressions we have committed in our life, the question is, do you?

83. COMPASSIONATE GOD - September 3, 2007

#82: “I didn’t say the rest of us have never shared a recording or two, but at least we’re not in denial about the action we have taken”

That’s just the point you MISS; #77 (Hall) posted a charge as though he did not commit such acts, which led to my response. You see, i’ve already admitted to a desire to get rip of the HD extras, but recognize it for what it is–one friend sharing with another. It was not until Hall tried to play Paramount Attorney that the conversation took another step forward.

If he cannot say he’s avoided media duplicates during the course of his life, then he realizes he was the true hypocrite for pointing accusatory fingers in my direction.

84. Anthony Pascale - September 3, 2007

Receiving copied DVDs you did not pay for is illegal and is stealing. It will not be advocated on this site and anyone who ever posts information or links regarding this will be banned without warning. You can chose to buy or not to buy, but piracy is not a legitimate alternative choice.

I suggest that people just calm down. Paramount are not requiring you to buy. You can watch them for free on syndication, buy them off itunes and xbox live (more episodes will eventually show up), rent the DVDs or buy the DVDs…or do none of the above. No guns are being held to any heads and some of the anger here is just absurd.

85. Commodore Z - September 3, 2007

#79: If you want to “share” your purchase with a friend by loaning him/her your copy of your legally-purchased DVD, then there is, indeed no thievery concerned.

If you make a copy of that same DVD (or a copy of a recording from TV), then you are indeed stealing, no matter what rationalization you might make, and no matter what fingers you might point at others. The world isn’t always the way you’d like it to be.

86. COMPASSIONATE GOD - September 3, 2007

#84- Anthony: Of course, i’m not avocating posting info/links to illegal content/whatever.

#85 Commodore Z: My statement in #81 and #83 still stands. The TELLING part is revealed when others point fingers, but suspiciously AVOID answering my question, which speaks volumes and reveals THEIR hypocricy, more than anything else.

87. Anthony Pascale - September 3, 2007

actually God it seems you are still advocating the piracy of this set and trying to spark a flame war while you are at it…I suggest you stop…and everyone else too

88. Michael Hall - September 3, 2007

“Compassionate,” I’m not avoiding anything; I simply have a life outside of this site. And to answer your question: yes, I have downloaded programs and videos on (rare) occasion that I shouldn’t have–but I didn’t outright boast about my intention to do so or couch my rationalization for it with the remarkable contention that it was the fault of the party I was stealing from anyhow, since their work was shoddy and they “already have enough of my money.” No, they have enough of your money when you pay them for the services they’ve rendered–in this case, for those DVD extras you apparently can’t live without. Anything less is stealing, period, regardless of how you choose to justify it to yourself. I don’t myself have any great love for the way corporate capitalism is practiced in 21st century America, but those are the rules, like it or not.

Anthony, thanks for injecting a little sanity into this discussion. My last word, I promise.

89. COMPASSIONATE GOD - September 3, 2007

#87 – Anthony–No, i’m not advocating it, or telling anyone else to engage in the act. Furthermore, you seem to see things clearly, but n this case, I think suggesting I want to trigger a flame war is over the top, especially when you consider the majorty of my posts here have not contained flame-bait of any kind.

#88 Okay, M. Hall, thanks for being honest enough to admit your past actions. Moreover, to everyone, if I had things my way, CBS would not be so aggressive about pushing TOS-R, and respect the millions of pre-TOS-R fans enough to provide the series sans CG as well as the “R” version. If a profit is the real concern, then catering to one of entertainment history’s most established fan (read: money) bases would seem….logical.

Consumer “comfort” counts too. That is why after the old days of buying the laserdiscs which only featured 2 episodes per disc, when the early DVDs (also containng two per) were released, I took a step back..because I knew full well Paramount would sit on that for awhile, then release season sets years later, which I purchased.

Companies can & will always place the consumer in 2nd place.

…but my “beef” is that they want many plain old DVD users with basic DVD players to convert to a dual players or single format players, replace a dozen -to-1000-to-whatever number DVDs on HD (or Blu-Ray), and in the case of Trek, only offer the “R” version to the very loyal fans who may also want the version which made them fans (and Trek merchandise consumers) in the first place!

Yes, CBS owes us nothing, and we are certainly not forced to buy the forthcoming set, but if money is the centra motivator, why would you deliberately omit something (HD TOS sans R”) that would stand to earn even more millions?

90. Mr_Niemand - September 4, 2007

They will certainly come up with season sets containing Star Trek without these new CG effects in HD. Question is: Will these be sperate releases containing only the original version of Star Trek or will they eventually come up with HD DVDs making use of seamless branching etc. and containing both versions. But of course these sets will only be released after the TOS-R-only sets have sold well. Lucas did the same thing with Star Wars on DVD (well, not quite since picture quality of the original versions of the Star Wars films is rubbish). CBS wants to sell these incomplete sets in order to have something to offer to the fans in a few years. No doubt, there will be better HD-Disc versions of Star Trek (either on Blu ray or HD DVD) in the future. Remember the single disc versions of the Star Trek films on DVD. These were quite expensive and did not even offer good picture quality (some of them weren’t even anamorphic). Eventually, they came up with “Special Editions” of the films on DVD offering improved picture quality and many more extras. This won’t be the last release of Star Trek.

Besides that, Compassionate God, you are absolutely right that it’s a shame that the original versions of the show aren’t included. I won’t buy a set not containing the original versions of Trek in HD. I hope many more people won’t either.

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