William Shatner: Still Not In New ‘Star Trek’ Movie September 10, 2007
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: ST09 Cast, Shatner , trackback
In case you were wondering if anything had changed since his website put up the ‘I am not in the movie‘ video last week…it hasn’t. In a new interview William Shatner tells the National Ledger he has not ‘been invited’ to join in on J.J. Abrams new Star Trek. Shatner seems resolved to his fate saying that he "will watch from the wings." The original captain Kirk says that he didn’t have any idea who the new young Kirk would be, but joked that his fictional alter ego Denny Crane would be a good choice. Shatner will still get his crack at the early years of Kirk and Spock with his novel "Star Trek: The Academy–Collision Course, " due out next month.
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First!
this is all to get media attention… shatner, his big nose, and his girdle WILL be in the firm.
1ST OMG I feel so special atm I’d just like to thank my broadband internet Umm also anthony, all the other posters on trekmovie.com for not posting 1st LMAO.
GRR this movie can’t happen without WAIT FOR IT tha SHAAATTTTT
put our homeboy shat in the film yo :P
SHIT BAD TIMING i shooda typed faster GRR now i look stupid
If Mr Shatner is going to play his part with his good old pal Spock once more,, and put right the hole “Kirk death mistake”,,and ride off into the sunset then this movie will be the biggest sci fi event since Star Wars came out in 1977
Bottom line is this–it doesn’t sound like any effort is being made on the part of the people running the show to get Shatner in the movie, and JJ only paid lip service at Comic Con.
It’s hard to make every effort to get the guy in the movie if you don’t bother inviting him.
If they want to write him in, they will. If not, they should have had the guts to say so rather than give a false hope.
If the producers are reading this thread, then please show some guts and address it. You can see the will he or won’t he question is getting old. I haven’t given up hope yet, but the lack of change really stinks.
#4 Yeah it is…especially if there is all this hype about him not being in the film and then he turns up. You won’t be able to hear the film over all the fans cheering :)
Once again we see that all this “talk” by Abrams to get Shatner in the film was nothing more than a lie. I truly hope this movie bombs.
Recasting Kirk is like recasting Seinfeld
RIP Star Trek.
1966-2006
Thanks God he is not in it… the only positive aspect about this whole mess…
For heaven sake, William Shatner is not the messiah. Have an open mind. Wait until the final product comes out and then judge.
Why do I feel that Shatner is going to have an unannounced cameo at the end of ST11?
Premonition, perhaps?
#6 If he indeed is not in it, then it certainly was b.s. However I would wait for an “official” announcement from jj and team.
StillKirok HANG IN THERE!!!
It looks bleak but not done just yet
I want to see the Shat turn up SANS SHIRT whilst fighting someone.
Its gonna happen….
You know,…..don’t you
It’s not that he’s the messiah. No one is saying that. But Generations is an abomination. And Star Trek hasn’t been right since Generations.
Shatner WANTS to be in the movie. And like it or not, he is the biggest story. Shatner as Kirk is legend.
The character deserves a happy ending–a chance to ride off into the sunset.
Who cares about young Kirk if we know that older Kirk gets thrown against a mountain?
It makes me not care about this movie at all, and I know I’m not alone.
The producers all claimed they wanted Shatner in the film, but don’t seem to want to address it.
How can you want Shatner in the movie, and not write him in?
Logic.
They will gain audience if Shatner is in the movie. They will lose audience if he is not.
For many fans and the general public, recasting Kirk with someone else is like recasting Robert Conrad’s James West with Will Smith. It just won’t do. They like Shatner. They like Kirk, because of the way Shatner played him. They like Star Trek, because they like Kirk….because they like the way Shatner played him. He was the star the central focus of the show, so I can understand it. A different personality can change the whole dynamic. Those types that avoided the Wild Wild West move will avoid this. They are very real and they are out there. Just because some here may not feel the same way, won’t change that fact.
Having said that, I have concerns and have to wonder if anyone can “click” like the original crew did, but I really like Abrahm’s style and I’ll be there with bells on Xmas day, Shat or no Shat.
i read today in a paper that Matt Damon said although he wont be Kirk he still wants to have some role in the movie…
Matt Damon would make a very good Gary Mitchell.
It was(pause) fun.
15 – yes Mitchell is possibly another role that could have a big star (in addition to the Villian and Pike)
so long as whoever it is dosnt mind being bossed about by whoever plays young Kirk
I used to believe I wanted Shatner in the movie.
This all getting ridiculous!
The only real problem is that Damon is a little old for Mitchell too. But if Mitchell is the villain, it could still work. Dead or not, the guy was a god. Gods are not easy to kill.
#3: “SHIT BAD TIMING i shooda typed faster GRR now i look stupid”
As opposed to successfully posting “FIrst!” :lol:
I have to assume that reporters keep asking Shatner this question and he’s answering gracefully. Because if he’s continuing to bring this up on his own that’s pretty sad…
ENOUGH about Shatner
We should start asking the one question no one has dared to ask cause if the answer is no it’ll cause the universe to explode.
IS ALAN RUCK GOING TO RETURN AS CAPTAIN HARRIMAN??!!
he’s better be – I aint seeing it unless the legedary Ruck returns…and they put right what happened. -i.e. he is a HEROIC starship captain – not some wimp who shits his pants and cries to Kirk when the going gets tough.
#14: What paper, SNAKE? I’d like to read the article myself where Matt Damon says that he’d like to have a role in “Star Trek”.
its the Metro (free London paper) – on the Gossip section…
Snake–Shatner is the biggest legend in Star Trek. There’s a reason that his absence from this movie is causing so much discussion and disappointment.
Anyone who is tired about Shatner and the disappointment should probably avoid these articles.
StillKirok – I’d actually say its Nimoy who is the (very slightly) bigger legend in Star Trek…like 0.0001% of a bigger legend.
They bothe pretty much on an even keel but I think Nimoy just takes it.
And no i aint tired of hearing about The Shatner Incident…
just passing through…
Why can’t he play George Kirk? Kirks uncle or father?? does he have to be Captain Kirk????????
#20 “I have to assume that reporters keep asking Shatner this question and he’s answering gracefully. Because if he’s continuing to bring this up on his own that’s pretty sad…”
That’s been the way it’s worked for my entire life – the reporters ask the celebrities the questions! I think Shatner has better things to do than call local papers and ask if they’ll allow him to talk about Trek.
As far as the movie bombing, I want it to succeeed, Shat or no Shat. But you never know. The general public hasn’t made a Star Trek film a hit in over 10 years, and the recent remake of Bewitched boasted 2 of the biggest A-listers of today – Nicole Kidman and Will Ferrell. It flopped.
Does anyone still read the Shatner novels? I tuned out after The Return…
Ashes of Eden was ok.
Theres been LOADS
Snake, judging by the fact that Shatner is still on top, a current Emmy nominee, and the guy that generates the most buzz, it’s safe to say that Shatner’s legend and star power outshine Nimoy’s, and Nimoy is an icon.
There was never a demand for Nimoy’s return. It’s just a nice thing.
But with Shatner, there’s unfinished business.
Thinking about it, it’s kind of hard to compare the two because they aren’t on an even keel. That unfinished business will continue to give Shatner that push.
I think the worst part has been the producers. They don’t comment nearly enough on it, and when they do, they seem to be paying lip service. They say they want him in the movie, yet didn’t write him a part.
But at the same time, we don’t know what’s truly going on because they don’t say anything. Filming is in 2 months and they haven’t cast Kirk yet.
To keep the fanbase hanging this long is terrible. It’s one thing to protect your plot. It’s another to see a problem and not address it.
I wonder what Nimoys getting for being in the movie? about $5 million?
dont Shatner and Nimoy have like the same contract where by they have to pay the same to the other one?
Nimoys and Abrams have said that Spocks (old Spocks) role in this is sizable – beyond a cameo….
If Shatner were to be in it briefly (as this film isnt The Search for Kirk) as Kirk or Kirks pops or whatever – wopuldnt they have to pay him exactly the same as what Nimoys getting?
Maybe thats why they arent having him in it – as much fun as it would be for him to be in it briefly – maybe Abrams etc have decied it isnt worth 5 million or whatever to have him appear.
Anyway having Nimoy as Spock meet Shatner as Kirks old man would be a bit off putting wouldnt it? a jokey gimmick surely – sorta like that scene in Maverick where Gibson meets Danny Glover…
Mr. Abrams, take your one golden chance to make this movie work. Do not allow that the actor who MADE one of the core characters without whom there wouldn’t be this thing called TOS and, thus, you wouldn’t have this new movie in the pipeline, will have to “watch from the wings”. The only people who are supposed to watch from the wings are us, the people who go and see the film. And I promise you, you won’t lose a single ticket buyer by showing your respect, but you will lose many by not doing so.
Shatner not being in this film really sucks (if it is true)
While I agree that the SHAT spin is getting ridiculous, I have to agree with Iowagirl. Perhaps it’s because I’m a native Iowan (birthplace of James T. Kirk) or perhaps because the SHAT is still quite popular…it just woudn’t feel right without him (especially with Nimoy in it now). I’ll go to the movie either way, but if SHAT is in it, I KNOW I’ll go back more often just to see him play Kirk one last time. It’s the ONLY reason I saw Generations more than once, because frankly, other than seeing SHAT, Jimmy, and Walter, that movie did NOTHING for me.
And yeah, the ending was awful! Thanks R. Moore and B. Braga. When you head out the door, make sure it hits Berman, too!
we should all have a whip round – each Trek fan (who wants Shatner in the film) pays 5 bucks each – that should pay for his fee.
Abrams etc can figure out where to slot him in.
To have a Star Trek film without Shatner is like having a car without wheels…(or was that Nimoy??)
Recenty I talked to a friend of mine. He is a casual Star Trek-viewer. He liked TOS, TNG and the TOS movies. We watched the TNG-movies (except Nemesis) together in the cinemas. He wasn’t impressed by them that much (neither was I).
I told him that there was a new Star Trek movie in developement with Leonard Nimoy as Spock, but I also said the William Shatner won’t be in the movie.
He said: “Without Shatner it isn’t Star Trek anymore…”
#35–they’ll get it in movie grosses.
#34–I wasn’t even factoring in repeat viewings. At this point, I’m not even sure I’ll see the movie without Shatner–too much teasing for too long. I feel as if the producers are just handling this so poorly.
IowaGirl is right about one thing–having Shatner will not cost them sales. NOT having him will. But I still say they will gain significant sales by putting him in the movie.
People love nostalgia. And Shatner as Kirk is nostalgia. Stallone stepped back into the Rocky and Rambo roles. Harrison Ford is playing Indy again. And there is room for Shatner as Kirk.
The producers said they wanted to get Shatner in the film. That means they should put forth a good faith effort. Right now, it doesn’t sound like they have done a thing since Comic Con to try to make this happen.
Stillkirok – just chill man – announcments will be coming this month i bet – i.e the cast and if The Shat is in it or not for definate
5 million for Shatner to appear would be CHICKENFEED compared to the buzz and box office return it would generate! As to Snake’s suggestion in post #11″I want to see the Shat turn up SANS SHIRT”
Oh, God, please, no…..no….that would be wrong on so many levels…..urp….stomach starting to heave……can’t hold it down……RALPH!!!
38–Logically, you’re right. But you have to admit, it’s been such a long tease, and the fact that the producers aren’t talking when they clearly know what an issue this is, is a problem. The only news is coming from Shatner himself, and it’s all bad.
They have the potential to have the greatest comeback story in Trek history. They want to bring back the audience. It’s not going to happen by making them mad.
I hope they don’t actually believe the diehards will go no matter what. That was a fatal mistake which caused Trek’s decline.
They need to reach out to not just the diehards, but to everyone, and Shatner is the man that would show that yes, they want their audience back.
There is NO evidence that Abrams has lifted a finger since ComicCon to get Shatner in the movie.
And it’s frustrating that the producers, who read this board and see all these threads, do nothing to deal with this issue.
If Shatner is not in the movie, they will be dealing with a disappointed audience BEFORE the first footage is even shot.
But if he IS in the movie, then that same audience will be chomping at the bit to get to the theater.
It’s such a no brainer.
Unless, fundamentally, Shatner appearing in the movie would somehow diminish, or take away from, the story. Then, it would make sense as to why they aren’t eager for his involvement. Nostalgia is one thing, great storytelling quite another! Sometimes it’s hard to have both!
I have to say if shatner WAS CONFIRMED as being in the film (in an undiscolsed role) i too would “be chomping at the bit to get to the theater.”
in fact i’d probably run red lights at 70mph to get there…and engage in a fire fight with the cops .45 in each hand blastin away
It seems Abrams and co. simply don’t want him in the movie.
If this film i indeed about alternate timelines there are many ways to bring him back. Perhaps in another timeline where older Kirk is alive.
Leonard Nimoy being in the film is truly wonderfull,but the film will not seem complete without Shatner. Espically when you consider that he wants to be in the film.
If Shatner is not asked back ST XI will be very bitter sweet.
If the rumours are indeed true and this film involves time travel and an alternate timeline; the mind boggles as to how they would find difficulty in figuring out a logical way to involve Captain Kirk as played by Shatner lol
The producers read these boards. Maybe one of them can enlighten us. Yes, No or Maybe? But give us a sign. Something. Please! :) All we hear from Shatner is status quo. And all we’ve heard from JJ is “we’re working on it” but that was ages ago now.
#25: “StillKirok – I’d actually say its Nimoy who is the (very slightly) bigger legend in Star Trek…like 0.0001% of a bigger legend.”
Rather than Nimoy it’s *Spock* who’s the “bigger legend in ‘Star Trek’” when you move beyond the tight confines of hard core fandom. One of the producer/writers observed recently that he’s become a figure of myth that may be bigger than Trek itself – despite the fact that so many folks in the world at large confuse his name with a baby doctor’s. :lol:
The relative success/renown of the actors who play them is to a great degree a separate thing from the fame of the characters themselves. There’s not much doubt that Shatner is a more current, famous and commercially successful actor and spokesman than Nimoy…and just as little question that Spock is the more quintessential ‘Star Trek’ character. This is a large part of why he’s central to a movie that the studio hopes will rekindle public interest in their Trek franchise.
#33 Well said, my man.
#35 I had a very similar experience recently. When I told my “casual fan” friend that there was another Trek on the way (he had no idea) and Nimoy was going to be in it, he replied, “What about Shatner?? He’s gotta be in there!” And I know a lot of my non-Trekkie friends and family members feel that way.
To me it just makes sense for a lot of reasons to include him:
1) Nimoy is returning as Spock.
2) Shatner is “hot” right now.
3) Few in the general ticket-buying public remember or care about Generations, and many of those who do would be happier seeing Shatner play Kirk than worrying about adherence to that movie’s plot.
4) Alternate timelines are reportedly already part of the story.
5) Shatner wants in and Nimoy feels it’d be a better film with him.
6) Most Trek fans, as well as Braga and Moore themselves, feel that Kirk’s death was badly handled and a mistake.
Not long ago Kirk was voted the 9th greatest tv character of all time! (Spock was 21st.) The character is an icon and the actor is as viable as ever. I still think we could be surprised. It’s not too late.
maybe Paramount will INSIST Abrams put Shatner in the movie
I would say Kirk is the bigger legend. Although I would agree it is close.
I would hardly say that there is “little question that Spock is the more quintessential ST character”
They are both legendary/iconic characters that are bigger than Star Trek.
“Star Trek XI would be a better film with William Shatner in it”
-Leonard Nimoy-
It’s beside the point to argue whether Kirk or Spock are more popular. The simple fact is, thanks to the chemistry of Shatner and Nimoy, the 2 characters work best as a team!
#28 I unfortunately bought another two books of him and was really disappointed.
But I maybe could accept another guys playing Kirk and Spock and all the others if there will be a good connection between the new and the old. Connections like:
- every new actor gets syncronized by their old pandans, except Scotty and Bones (RIP buddies!)
-they agree to let Spock AND Kirk have an cameo-appearance, but it should match with Generations and the chronology
-They keep all the original uniform- and Enterprise-designs from The Cage or from Where No Man Has Gone Before
Sci-Fi Bri – September 10, 2007
>> First!
this is all to get media attention… shatner, his big nose, and his girdle WILL be in the firm.
#49 Well said! It’s the chemistry between the two that makes them truly legendary characters. Imagine seeing that chemistry one last time on the big screen with Shatner and Nimoy and how well that would then play into seeing that chemistry being formed with the younger cast.
You’d think this would be obvious to J.J. Hopefully, it is.
Star Trek without Shatner is like having a burger without ketchup
UNTHINKABLE!
#52 — well said also. Chemistry is a big reason why I love these characters, and it would be so fitting to see that handed down to the new cast by Nimoy and Shatner.
RE some of the posts above: come on, you guys have NO IDEA what is going on behind the scenes. There may be a good reason why JJ and co. aren’t talking to the media — maybe they’re busy making things happen. :-)
The plot as discussed doesn’t need Shatner except maybe at the end, assuming Spock accomplishes his task. The movie sounds like it won’t have much Kirk of any kind, which seems stange for a TOS movie to not focus on that character ( making his fate the focus– and not having him in it– is something the previous regime would have done). I’d rather have him not in it if his presence doesn’t help the movie, or if the premise isn’t intriguing anyway.
Star Trek problem that will ultimately kill it : It can’t get away from the old TV tube.
Star Trek’s problem…
Pararmount could make AT LEAST as much money off STAR TREK as was made off STAR WARS .Billions( video games ,action figures x merchandising etc) if they stopped letting old actors and producers who run this trekkie cult tell them how to run thier business.Star Trek has much more potential than Star Wars with infinite storyline potential but it always comes back to these old stars and producers who have this power over the fans and won’t let go.
Logic dictates that if Shatner is in the film, they have to find a young actor who resembles him to play the younger version of Kirk. If Shatner is not in the film, they can go with type. I have been suggesting Jensen Ackles play the younger Kirk. Interestingly enough, I have found a number of people at various websites who agree. One such fan even did a side-by-side photo comparison between Ackles & a young William Shatner & there is more similarities than I thought. Unless they find a complete unknown, I’d say Ackles would have to be a frontrunner. Whether he’s been approached or tested, however, is anyone’s guess.
Unless, fundamentally, Shatner appearing in the movie would somehow diminish, or take away from, the story. Then, it would make sense as to why they aren’t eager for his involvement. Nostalgia is one thing, great storytelling quite another! Sometimes it’s hard to have both!
You are absolutely right. The story line and plot revolve around an older Spock and a young Spock Kirk and crew. The only way an older Kirk will get into the movie is for Spock to visit the Holodeck. And even righting that may be very hard to make it a meaningful event towards the plot. And people also need to think about the Shatner ego. He wont just take any old very small part. He will want to be right up there with Leonard with equal time and money.
The plot as discussed doesn’t need Shatner except maybe at the end, assuming Spock accomplishes his task. The movie sounds like it won’t have much Kirk of any kind, which seems stange for a TOS movie to not focus on that character ( making his fate the focus– and not having him in it– is something the previous regime would have done). I’d rather have him not in it if his presence doesn’t help the movie, or if the premise isn’t intriguing anyway.
Squeezing a square peg into a round whole doesn’t always work. :)
Wow. It only took 3 posts to write something that … still didn’t make any sense!
Spock IS Star Trek. His internal struggle is an analog for the human struggle to balance an animal, instinct-driven core with the supposedly more evovled 23rd Century Utopian vision of the UFP.
Kirk is the “not always successful” version of that same struggle, which is why he is an infinitely more interesting character than, for example, Picard.
Both characters are important. Neither actor is.
The reason Shatner has never been a good spokesperson for Trek is that he is notoriously self-promoting. It always comes back to him.
It almost seems like somehow Nimoy is being rewarded for his deeper, more considered long-term view of Star Trek. Personally, I think he deserves it. Lately Shatner has a three-ring-circus thing going that doesn’t seem appropriate to associate with this project in a major way.
As far as it being a financial decision as to whether or not to include Shatner… Even if every single existing Star Trek fan on Earth decided not to go because Shatner isn’t in it, there would be no significant change in the bottom line. They are expecting blockbuster numbers here… not the pretty measly numbers of past trek films. We’ve proven we aren’t enough of a customer base to bring in box office numbers.
Just my thoughts… not trying to start a Conflict.
1) Script is locked in and Shatner’s NOT in it.
2) All a publicity stunt- he’s been in from day one but they can’t figure out exactly HOW to put a DEAD Kirk in.
Toss a coin.
I still think this is a big spin and he’ll be in it. Kind of makes me laugh that any Trekker would have the nuts to joke about his belly judging by the many grossly overbease Trekkers out there. Those who live in glass houses you know…
#59– Shatner or not, Nimoy is in the film, and they are going to have to cast someone similar to young Shatner. And even if they didn’t, it’s not too tough for the audience to accept William Shatner as Kirk given that he’s the man who made the part.
You don’t need a holodeck to have older Kirk. You need a story, which is probably the easiest part.
They aren’t struggling to get Shatner in the movie or bringing in the character. ANY of us can come up with a plausible plot for that.
They are just beating around the bush.
And #62, you’ve got it the exact opposite. We’ve proven that if you don’t listen to the fan base, you will have a bomb on your hands. It’s not the fans that went to SEE Nemesis that matter. It’s the fans that have blown the franchise off since they killed Kirk in the first place.
I’m talking relative scale — the amount of $$$ they hope to make on a JJ Abrams Trek could swallow Nemisis box office (even if it were successful) without belching. At any rate, they are reightly — from a business point of view — probably more interested in creating a brand new audience. Sucks for us, but not for “Trek.”
I can see it now…
Shatner: You’re about to remind me that logic alone dictates your actions?
Nimoy: I would not remind you of that which you know so well. (pause) If I may be so bold, it was a mistake for you to accept Generations. Appearing in Star Trek is your first, best destiny. Anything else is a waste of material.
Shats: I would not presume to debate you.
Nims: That much is wise. In any case, were I to invoke logic, logic clearly dictates that the needs of the fans outweigh the needs of the script.
64.Very good.you should be a publicist.
I say we just hang on, see what develops as far as a definite word from the folks making the movie, and then debate all of this.
Until then, is anyone here truly an insider on this film that can say for sure one way or the other about this?
Dang it, late to the party.
Well, regardless of whether Shatner is in the film or not the chances for the new movie are still promising. Like it or not, we all need to face up to the fact the ardent BBK faction is a small (but vocal) minority. For the general public, the non-appearance of Shatner will not spoil their appreciation of Trek XI, as they really don’t care about how awful Generations was, or about “the canon”, or any of that stuff.
Shatner blew his wad in Generations. By agreeing to die as a condition to being in the film he painted himself in a corner. Now in real life, just like in the show, its up to Nimoy to fix Shatner’s folly.
Shatner will be in ST11 in an unannounced cameo at the end of the movie after Spock corrects a wrong. Take it to the bank.
#47: “maybe Paramount will INSIST Abrams put Shatner in the movie”
The opposite of likely, really. Abrams and the other producers are probably warmer to the *idea* of Shatner than the studio is to the, um, logistics of that.
#72 – CanuckLou
I’m thinking that your suggestion is more and more likely…
72 – I like that analogy – Nimoy saving Shatners ass just like in….er wasnt it always Kirk who bailed Spock out all the time?…(Amok Time…Star Trek III…etc etc)
oh well i guess he bailed him out of prison in VI (but it was all Spocks fault that he ended up there anyway)
and i didnt count Spock saving Kirk in Trek V as that was just a dream Kirk had inbetween IV and VI
72 – Oh wait you said “fix his folly “- i misread
More “no news” news. The announcement for Young Kirk has to come soon….
I still think Shatner will appear and this is just part of the hype. I’m really ambivalent about another time travel story. It depends if they actually use Pike, Mitchell, Markus, Finnegan etc. to give it the canon-like feel. If not then it’s just the usual Hollywood fluff movie.
Re 77–
Why is it automatically a fluff movie if they don’t insist on making it a continuity porno? As long as the actors imbue the spirit of the original characters, then I don’t need to see a tip of the hat to every possible canon reference out there. Star Trek could benefit from adding some original elements.
Enterprise’s season 4 was better than some of the previous ones, but there was _way_ too much cannibalization of Trek’s past. Can’t keep going to that well over and over again without the entire universe feeling overly tired and familiar.
#71–I don’t think the BBK faction is as small as you think. I think it’s the exact opposite–the vocal minority are the people that actually don’t want Shatner in the movie.
It’s all about recognition and nostalgia. The entire country knows Shatner as Kirk, despite the ridiculous claim that people only know Denny Crane.
Whether they are writing letters to Paramount or simply casual fans, far more people will be happy at the news of a Shatner return than not. And Shatner WILL put butts in the seats. His absence will be a disincentive to come.
I see no reason right now to think that Shatner will be in this movie.
They are costing themselves money. What a waste.
One interesting aspect of the AiCN rumors was that the Romulans were supposedly sent back in time *by accident*. That makes it a bit different than the time travel seen in IV and VIII, but not much. I still find the rumors suspect, but if true … the plot of XI really mirrors COTEOF, doesn’t it?
Unintentional time travel/important figure erased from history, leading to an alternate future/Spock travels back to set things right … it’s City on the Edge of Forever. If that’s really going to be the case, I just hope Spock uses the Guardian! Seeing that alone on the big screen would be worth the price!
Ugh. Another thread about Shatner not being in the movie. This is like a joke, no? I hope he’s in it because it would be fun. And I hope he’s not in it because it would be fun to see how pissed off certain posters here would be. And then maybe they would go back to AOL chat. Or to watching Flash Gordon on Sci-Fi.
Shatner will scare a mainstream audience away who will dismiss a movie with a 77 year old action star as a trekkie film.Very limited appeal.
If we could just hard-wire this line of comments about Shat, we wouldn’t need dilithium crystals. It’s endless. (and it’s the same thing over and over)
Also .If it fails with Shatner it will iretreivably kill Trek ,which ,in the right hands,could become the best ,most profitable franchise ever.
Shatner’s performance would be seen as a joke.It would be sad.
Shatner is sounding like the Nora Desmond of Star Trek
#80 “Ugh. Another thread about Shatner not being in the movie. This is like a joke, no?”
Yes, it is a joke. And you’re taking the time to participate in it! Whoopee!
#81 “Shatner will scare a mainstream audience away who will dismiss a movie with a 77 year old action star as a trekkie film.Very limited appeal.”
You mean like Alec Guiness scared audiences away from Star Wars? At this point, we all know he’s not going to be the focus of the film. But thanks anyway for the sage advice, Mr. Marketing Genius.
Stop that, JC! I know the BBKers sound a bit irrational at times, but it’s not right to stoop to their level in the way they’ve bashed all non-Shatner Trek.
We’re better than that! At least, I hope so. :-)
Re 87: If Trek XI were a bring Kirk back from the Nexus plot, I’m afraid that really would scare people away in droves…
You don’t need a holodeck to have older Kirk. You need a story, which is probably the easiest part.
Its always easiest being a back seat driver. :)
They aren’t struggling to get Shatner in the movie or bringing in the character. ANY of us can come up with a plausible plot for that.
They already have a very good plausible plot. And a very good script. But you want them to throw that away and try to force a dead Kirk into the film for no reason but to meet the needs of your own. Right LOL… Get real with reality like money and Hollywood.
re. 89: Yeah, and if it were about Spock’s sex change, it would too. But it isn’t, so … what’s your point?
Re 91:
Point is, some of the people here ought to stop wishing for a “fix” to Generations!
More people probably would be interested in Spock’s sex change.
Ouch — a direct comparison between Alec Guiness and William Shatner? We are talking about a stage/screen legend, and a television commodity.
Lets try this “JJ ” can you please fix this ending for all the Shatner fans Thanks you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwQZWdzDwTo&mode=related&search=
PS “JJ” Please leave the kick ass bouble chop fight sceans in. IMO they are the best fight sceans Kirk ever did!
Star Trek: Generations – Alternate Ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwQZWdzDwTo&mode=related&search=
#92 Let them wish for whatever they want. The movie is highly unlikely to focus on the Nexus. So who cares what people wish for? Wishes are allowed! Especially on a Star Trek site in a Shatner thread. I realize the knots are probably permanent by this point, but you really oughta try untwisting your skivvies sometime, SAX. ;)
OK…..enough of the story: Still Not In Movie because its real old and boring news.
Instead why not actually report of when and IF he gets in the movie – how hard is
that to do? Talk about beating a dead horse already….bury that horse and wait for
something worthwhile…..wake up already – this site use to be excellent now its just
common at best in its reports or lack of.
Re 96:
I dunno, Shattie. I think it’s going over the line if people start claiming Trek XI isn’t real Trek or that the producers, director, and writers lied…all just because the BBKers MIGHT not get what they’re wishing a little too hard for.
A little moderation is called for sometimes, no?
I wonder how much longer they wait before JJ starts releasing some concept art of the sets and the Enterprise. etc?
I am really getting tired of this monotonous
Shatner must be in the movie / Shatner doesn’t need to be in the movie nonsense.
This thread could run to 1000 posts and it still wouldn’t affect the outcome one iota.
There is one particular dynamic that isn’t mentioned in these arguments. A bigger question of whether one wants Shatner in the movie or not, is one of a time-limited opportunity. If Paramount EVER wants to have William Shatner in the film to: 1. come full circle 2. provide symmetry for young/old Kirk 3. appeal to the nostalgia/want in old fans 4. anything else, then with the Shat being 76, they had better seize the opportunity NOW! After all, as we look back on our lives, it’s not the risks we took that we regret, but rather the ONES WE DIDN”T!! It’s now or never, boys and girls……the fat lady is backstage gargling and the orchestra is warming up! If you don’t have Shatner reprise his most iconic role NOW, then it’ll probably NEVER happen!!!!!!
These Shatner stories always attract the most replies and are the fastest growing! Says something about the man thats undeniable- he gets people talking! ;)
Karl Rove must be in the movie!
Sounds like the natives are getting restless!
JJ, if you or your underlings are monitoring these threads,
How about throwing a bone, at least in terms of how the casting process is going with the new Kirk?
It’s still a long way till premiere, and this ship is reaching integrity breach!
Most fans would like to see William Shatner back, if Nimoy is already there, so what is the problem?
“Haven’t you got any goddamn feelings about that?!”
Cry me a river…
#87 It’s not a comeback! It’s a RETURN!
If the new guys aren’t creative enough to come up with some justification for Shatner being in it, “Generations” or no, I don’t have much confidence in them. It doesn’t take much imagination to make it happen.
102
if you look above it is the same group of half a dozen who spam these shat stories every time
Anthony
Which side of the fence are you on?
Shatner fan…You can’t compare Kirk to Obi Wan.Kirk would be more comparable to Luke.So that would be like a 77 year old Luke Skywalker.Kinda pitiful that that’s your vision for Kirk.
# 108 … Personally, I don’t consider responding to the topic at hand and its many posts “spamming”. And Anthony, are you counting the same group of people who ALWAYS show up to argue against Shat too? IMO, it’s much more unbecoming to be a continually negative whiner and rail against something than it is to show support for it. Especially when that “something” is one of the reasons we are all here.
# 101 … You’re right, I have pointed that out before. The chronometer’s a tickin’. But I believe #72 is correct, and Shatner will appear in the film’s “surprise” ending.
#110 … “Kirk would be more comparable to Luke.” No he wouldn’t. Not Shatner as Kirk anyway. They’re casting a YOUNG actor as Kirk, or hadn’t you heard? If Shatner does appear, it would be in a small role. Have you been following the news here at all?
Star Trek refence on Dennis Miller’s radio show: refered to someone as being as effective as Captain Pike in his chair
I do enjoy watching people’s veins in their temples pop out over this. These threads are like car wrecks.
#34: “While I agree that the SHAT spin is getting ridiculous, I have to agree with Iowagirl. Perhaps it’s because I’m a native Iowan (birthplace of James T. Kirk) …”
But James T. Kirk, Iowan, will be in the movie. It’s William Shatner, a Montreal native whose most noteworthy visit to Iowa was to produce a reality series making fun of the residents of Riverside, who probably will not be.
“The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few”-Spock
AND THE MANY WANT SHATNER IN THE FILM!!!!!!!!!!
The weight of the many, outweigh the weight of the one except shatner, who outweighs them all.:)
116-The Shat may have gotten fat but as far as Trek is concerned, he is where it is at!!!!!!!!
Bring back Mugatu.
OMG, same people blathering blah blah blah. Kirk R.I.P.
Paramount execs are making a movie to the general masses to make money and revive the franchise. And all you bleeding heart Kirk fans should realize this may and probably does NOT include one William Shatner. Priority one is the movie, not to appease a very small group of fanboys’ tails wagging the dog.
No need to reply, I’ve done with this thread.
472 dtST
So are you guys trying to say that Shatner isn’t going to be in the next movie after all? Oh God, please let it not be true!
Mike :o
So is this going be a weekly update?
It reminds me of Chevy Chase’s bit on Weekend Update, “General Francisco Franco is still dead.”
-cs™
This film will not feel complete in my eyes if Nimoy is there and not Shatner.
I’ve done a lot of thinking about this and have come to accept that Kirk’s death on the Enterprise B, saving that ship and its new crew, was somewhat appropriate.
My issue is not with getting back dead Kirk. My issue is that there is a great opportunity to reunite Shatner and Nimoy on screen, in a Star Trek movie. I would be more excited about this than anything else. I really don’t care if this movie is made, and have little excitement over it. After Enterprise was canned just when Coto had it going well, I was happy if the morons at Paramount kept their hands off Trek for quite a while. I think the franchise is clearly oversaturated and spent. I again repeat that I have almost no excitement in a recast. I just don’t care. TOS actors will always be in my heart, and I’m happy to think of them exclusively.
That all said, again, I think the big disappointment is in not jumping on the opportunity to bring Shatner and Nimoy back together. I also can’t believe that Abrams would simply lie to everyone. I’ve watched him interviewed before on other subjects, and the guy sounded incredibly passionate about his work. Hopefully they can work something out. I think Shatner is a bit of a dramatist, so maybe there’s still a chance.
Heard there is a rumor that they are going to do a short open casting call for both mcCoy and Kirk roles in the new film to try and see if they can find a closer “right choice” for the roles then what they have seen from the submitted actors. Seems like they are trying to get it as right as possible.
114. Dennis Bailey – “William Shatner, a Montreal native whose most noteworthy visit to Iowa was to produce a reality series”
Good point! “William Shatner’s Invasion Iowa” – Spike TV. “Living In TV Land: William Shatner” – TV Land. “Comedy Central’s Roast of William Shatner”. “How William Shatner Changed The World” – The History Channel. I honestly can’t think of many other stars whose names are used to sell so many diverse projects. That’s because the man, like the character he portrayed, is a pop culture ICON whose name alone is enough to grab people’s attention. Good work, Dennis. I hereby dub you, “Shatner_Fan_2007″! :)
119. pizza hotdog – “OMG, same people blathering blah blah blah”
You’re right! Welcome back. Nice to see you again. And very well spoken!
Sorry, there’s no official announcement in this article that I can see. It’s William Shatner being interviewed and giving a variation of his current standard answer on the movie.
You expect him to say “yes! I AM in the movie and JJ’s not announced it yet, but I am telling you”? Not dam likely.
Think about it with a little less passion..
IF he’s signed and the younger Kirk actor has not yet…. they won’t announce them separately (See the Nimoy/Quinto lovefest) until both have signed and can bring them out together.
Simple.
Since we know nothing, may I suggest you all save your steam for when we do?
X
Well put, Xai!
In total agreement.
Xai, good point, they’d never announce Shatner separate from the new actor. Given Bill’s propensity to gab, I wonder if they are even going to offer him a role until they’ve signed a younger Kirk!
All I know is that Leonard Nimoy AND William SHatner BOTH met with the producers. This happened long after the script and idea was formed. I don’t remember if the initial meetings were before, or after, Paramount greenlighted the project. But I don’t think it’s customary for movie producers to take time out of their busy schedules to meet with someone if there is no interest in them. And I don’t think you meet with someone, to discuss being in a movie, if that person has no part in it.
The wheels were turning. Why they stopped…IF they ever really stopped is the question that no one here can answer. Only time will tell.
With all this “Shatner is in/Shatner is out” talk, I have found proof of something I have long-believed: If you shout anything loud enough and long enough, it will become a “fact”. That said, we really don’t know anything yet (beyond what Shatner had said, which should be taken with a grain of salt). I would agree with those who say that they are probably waiting to find the “young Kirk” before they announce Shatner, so that they could be announced together.
They are those here who have given consideration to the plot when debating Shatner’s involvement. Could it simply be that JJ nad company don’t want to announce Shatner too early because they feel it may divulge some aspect of the plot that they want to keep contained?
I find it hard to believe that Abrams would let an opportunity to cast The Shat slip by. Either The Shat is being pig-headed about his a) salary; b) screen time; and/or c) ‘creative’ control, or d) we’re getting smoke blown up our asses by the whole lot of them.
He’ll be in it. Somehow. Somewhere. Some way.
Why should what Shatner said be taken with a grain of salt? The man is directly involved in something that concerns HIM.
Why would someone flat out say the exact opposite. If JJ was negotiating in good faith, Shatner would not say ANYTHING.
StillKirok,
I said that what Shatner says needs to be taken with a grain of salt, because so far, he’s the only one who’s said anything. We don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors. Shatner may very well not be in this movie, or he could be doing this to generate talk. If the latter is true, then he has succeeded admirably. Again, I would say that we should be patient; eventually, it’s all going to come to light anyway.
We certainly don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors. I’ll agree with that. But it makes NO SENSE to say he’s not in the movie and piss off the fan base. If he is in the movie, and is doing this for publicity, then it would have to be authorized by Abrams, and that makes no sense either.
Why would either of them do that?
It’s generating NEGATIVE publicity. It’s making people want to see the movie LESS.
If I wanted to generate POSITIVE publicity, I would SIGN Shatner and the buzz from that would far surpass anything the movie has managed so far.
If something was in the works, it makes more sense to maintain silence, but that’s not happening. There is no reason to believe that as of right now, Shatner is in the movie or even that Abrams is negotiating in good faith.
Right now the biggest story of this movie is a disappointment.
^22. Alan Ruck plays Harriman in Star Trek: Of Gods and Men. I’ve stopped caring about canon if it’s a good show.
I think Shatner will be in XI somehow but it’ll be OK if he’s not. We’ve had Shatnerless Trek for 20 years. Counting “The Cage” there has always been Shatnerless Trek.
I don’t get tired of Shatner and I don’t get tired of the discussion whether he’s in or out.
Please remember that you will not in any way shape or form change anything as far as the creative aspect of this film goes by whining and screaming for William Shatner to be in it online. What you do have the chance to have an impact on is how Star Trek fans are viewed in general by the quote “Rest of the world”… I know many of you may not care about what people think of you but now that is not the only point here is it now. Its not only what people think about you… it is what they think about Trekkies as a whole and when they see you online in your little huffs about Shatner (rest his bloated heart) they get a nasty taste in the mouth for Trekkies and more importantly for Star Trek… Just one of the small things that are in large number that in onfact add up when people make an oppinion of Star Trek… After all no one wants to associate themselves with the nut jobs after all right?
As for what you say I will not get down into a pointless debate with you about Shatner or no Shatner however I will restate my opinion that Shatner not being in the film is not the end of the world and it still is probably going to be an awesome movie.
Aaron R.
I am going to scream. Post the final word…stop trying to drum up more sales this way…it won’t work. Evil people…get Shatner in that movie…I don’t care how anymore…I don’t care what kind of role he gets…I just want him in!!!
#132 StillKirok
re: Grains of salt
Then take them all with a grain of salt. They aren’t telling us much yet for their own reasons. JJ likely isn’t talking much because he doesn’t have to and Shatner loves to talk, it’s in his nature. If he suddenly shut up…wouldn’t you get suspicious? There’s no reason to assume anything yet.
Everyone else:
Everyone wants good Trek. Nobody is trying to piss off fans and we STILL have few true facts. There’s no need for all this, especially since it’s based on…. nothing. Let’s save it for the real thing.
#137 VulcanBabe
you said “Evil people…get Shatner in that movie…I don’t care how anymore…I don’t care what kind of role he gets…I just want him in!!!”
It’s a movie… calling people “evil” is more than a little overboard, don’t you think?
JJ made a gracious gesture by handing Shatner a face saving way of saying he’s not in the movie! But Shatner has used JJ’s comment about wishing he were in it to lobby in the media to get himself in the movie.
I love Shatner and Nimoy as much as anyone but it’s time to let go! How many curtain calls must there be?
After seeing Shatner in that DirecTV commercial I could NEVER see him as Kirk again.
This is why we needed a COMPLETE fresh start. This may be our only chance to reignite Trek. We don’t need to see 77 year old pudgy Kirk still trying to score with the babes. It only reminds us that it’s still same old, same old!
I can just see the surprise ending…..Kirk unharnesses his girdle and finally nails gramma Janice Rand! Yup, that kick start Star Trek for sure!
This is all publicity in itself to hype us all up about a “no Kirk scenario”. The Shat will be in it and will be standing next to the new Kirk in no time to pass the torch.
Look it’s working right? We’re all buzzing about it, Shatner loves it and so does JJ and his Star Trek XI team. You can’t buy this kind of publicity. Relax & enjoy it….Shatner will be there.
#139 *laughs* Just trying to exaggerate…in the typical Shatner manner. Of course it’s slightly overboard…but so is this continual stress over whether he’ll be in or not.
To be entirely honest, I’m worried about the young Kirk and about how the entire movie will progress without the main character that started it all. Granted, I’m no director…and Abrams is probably a wonderful one. Yet I can’t help but wonder…what is Abrams thinking? As an avid Kirk/Spock, I had been hoping to see them together in their earlier years, but according to the plot leak, that won’t happen. Nor will I get to see Shatner and Nimoy in their later years. I keep hoping…and this site keeps tearing that hope to bits. >_>
This entire crew seems on the verge of obsessive behavior regarding Mr. Shatner. : )
Is it just me or does it seem the Kirk/Shatner fans are over-represented here? If they decide to give Spock a greater presence in this movie — and we do not know that yet — what is the big deal?
If the movie focused on Kirk, I doubt that the Spock fans would be whining so. And not for lack of numbers. It reminds me of the tantrums my daughter throws when she doesn’t get her way. She is two years old.
#143 *eyebrow quirk*
Over-represented?
I understand and completely don’t mind giving Spock a greater presence. In fact, it’s something I’ve been waiting for since Star Trek III.
But when you compare Kirk to Spock, there are some significant differences in the way the characters are showcased. For example, Spock dies a thrilling death then is resurrected through an entire movie. And who risks his life and ship to save Spock? Kirk
How does Kirk die? A bit of loose construction….
The past Kirk-centered movies have all been unbearable. Partly, (sorry, Shat), because Shatner simply isn’t a great director. Not to mention Kirk is somehow always shadowed by Spock’s intelligence and calm logic. How can someone admire Kirk when the epitome of perfection is tailing him in every episode? I love Spock, and Spock-centered movies are great…but there is a difference between Kirk risking his life to resurrect Spock (i.e. balanced Kirk/Spock movie)…and Kirk being taken out of existence by Klingons (i.e. where’s Kirk??)…
He WILL be in the film; end of story.
I don’t understand why the producers won’t change their script to fit Shatner in? It worked so well when they stuck him in a TNG plot in GEN.
You all must understand that J.J. is still trying to think of a way to put him in the movie.
21. Dennis Bailey – September 10, 2007
“I have to assume that reporters keep asking Shatner this question”
Of course reporters are asking Shatner if he is in the movie. It is the number one “Buzz Factor” about this film and it’s the question that is on everyones minds. That and “Who will play the young Kirk?”
108. Anthony Pascale – September 10, 2007
“102 if you look above it is the same group of half a dozen who spam these shat stories every time”
Does each new person that posts in favor of a Shatner appearance become one of “The Dirty Half Dozen?”
In reply to the FIRST post number 149…
Oh, I get it now. LOL
Shatner doesn’t need to be in the move in order to bring back kirk. If rumors are true and Spock goes back in time, he can set things straight without even needing to see Shatner.
#140: “JJ made a gracious gesture by handing Shatner a face saving way of saying he’s not in the movie! But Shatner has used JJ’s comment … ”
This is true, too.
Anyone else thinking that Shatner’s continued announcements (every other day it seems) that “Boo, hoo! I’m *still* not in the new movie.” is getting a little… well, pathetic?
Star Trek without Shatner is like eating steak without mushrooms.
ITS WRONG
150 – The issue is not bringing back Kirk, because I have a feeling this film is not going to adhere to canon very strictly. The issue is bringing back Shatner, to go along with Nimoy. That’s what I’m wishing for. I am a huge fan of both actors, and want to see them together again. Unfortunately, Nimoy hasn’t done more than the occassional commercial or two.
152 – Ed, Shatner is asked about the situation by everyone in the media who interviews him. What else is he supposed to say? I’m not talking about it, leave me alone! He’s not calling these people, the magazines, websites, radio shows, etc., are calling him for interviews. Until J.J. makes a definitive statement saying Shatner is out, Bill is going to continue to get questioned.
#108 yes, effective aren’t they! ;D
I’ve personally stopped calling for his return. My fingers went numb at the thought of typing it out again.
I’ll give it a try though.. here goes….
BRING BACK SH ;CV BKTO ,L;.M VL, KMJOIM SHAT NM NER.
No, sorry. Still not working. I’ll give it another go following next weeks Not In It Yet story!
RE: which side of the fence am I on
this is a false question…there is no ‘fence’ there are two extreme positions
1. shat is bad for the movie and must not be in it
2. shat is required for the movie and must be in it
i am where the rational masses are. Shat would be great if they can find a logical place for him in the script and if it works out financially. But he is not worthy ‘any cost’ and should not be ’shoved in’. so yes I want him in, but dont think it will hurt the film if he isnt
people like to quote nimoy saying he thinks shatner should have a role…fine. But bear in mind that he is still going to be in the film if shatner isnt, he loves the script and he recommends people ‘let JJ make his movie’ and not make demands on him….just like he was allowed to make his movie for STIV.
#155 – Exactly. It’s mind-bogglingly dumb to suggest that Shatner is offering these comments unsolicited. He’s not holding press conferences. The man is very famous – he gets interviewed *every week*. And he tends to be asked the same questions.
Furthermore, if he’s telling the full truth about not being in the movie, he’s being a GREAT SPORT about it. He’s joking about it, saying he wants to see it just like the rest of us, etc. It’s hardly as if a somber Shatner is calling for a boycott of the film. I believe that Star Trek is dear to his heart and he wants to be in it, but if he isn’t, he’s not going to let it get him down. He’s got a full enough life as it is.
#154 – Hey, I want Shatner in the movie too, but decent steak does not need to be drowned in mushroom sauce.
That’s not a metaphor, I just prefer steak with onions or perhaps a nice gravy….
159 who said anything about mushroom sauce? I’m talkin about proper mushrooms…U GOT TO have mushrooms when you eat steak!
Without Shatner returning as Kirk there will still be a steak but it won’t have any flavour at all, no matter how much mushrooms, onions or sauce you may add…
#161 Are you suggesting this movie needs some Shatner Sauce? :)
hey for those lobbying for JAMIE BAMBER for young Kirk – it appears that he will be free as BSG is going to stop shooting mid season:
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070910a.php
This film needs Shatner like Fish needs chips..a burger needs ketchup and steak needs mushrooms..
So what i’m saying is this film needs some Shatner in order to taste good
#162
YEAH, let him baptize it!
#164
Bon appetit!
Only barbarians put *anything* on good steak. :lol:
Gibson’s Chicago – America’s best steak house and prob the most expensive, better than Morton’s better than Ruth’s Criss. If you are ever in town you must treat yourself. Porterhouse the size of a shuttlecraft . Meat comes sans any extraneous topping or sauces, twice baked potatoes on the side. Perfect!!!
And I do want Shatner in the film if it is handled in a meaningful way and adds to the story, if he plays Kirk one last time I will be even more excited but I think maybe playing Kirk’s daddy would be a nice handing of the torch to his son James as he leaves for his 5 year mission on the E. I don’t demand a resolution to Generations because we are getting one, the whole next Gen are never happened as this is a reboot as it appears to be and Kirk never fell off a 24th century -rusty iron bridge held up with 24th century – cast iron chains??
Anyway I think we are in for one hell of a year.
#166
Amen brother. Season with a little Montreal, flame ‘em up, and yer good to go.
All I can say is one thing — if this is going to be a Shatner-less Star Trek, these guys (Abrams and Company) better have one hell of a mind-blowing script, one that goes FAR BEYOND the imagination of any of us Star Trek fans!!! I want to believe that they know what they’re doing — as they are taking a BIG RISK (in my opinion) doing this movie without Shatner.
All this talk about steak reminds me of the winning ad campaign my local butcher ran in the town paper when he proclaimed, “you can’t beat my meat!”
steak? … Some will be eating crow.
In a few weeks or less we’ll know the true star of Shatner: The Motion Picture. Will the old vet get in? Will he be upstaged by the new recruit? Will the evil director keep the old star on the payroll or write him out? Did the one true Shat price himself out of the movie?
Or…. will Trek fans and regular, mortal movie-goers be give a Christmas present of a GOOD Trek story? If the one true Shat is cast… will he carry the day? It couldn’t be a flop with Him on the bridge one last time… not possible.
I’d like to interview the ghost of Christmas future and ask what the results will be… and what will be said then on the threads of Trekmovie.com. Boycotts?… Threats?… Joy?…
All these questions and more will be answered in a few weeks or months…. and nothing but wild speculations exist until JJ speaks.
Any more assumptions?
and off topic….
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September 11, 2001
To those we lost…
Rest in Peace and may we all meet again.
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“it couldn’t be a flop with Him on the bridge one last time…not possible”.
I have grave concerns when you capitalize the “him”, in referring to Shatner……to be a fan is one thing….to be FANATICAL to the point that you deify an actor to the stature of godhood is…….TROUBLESOME!!!
#1 is probably right. It makes sense. Drum up publicity, pretend he’s not in it and then, Whammo. Surprise Cameo.
#173 Harry Ballz
Satire, my friend, satire with a capital H.
Orbitalic….
Well, shut my mouth and color me Red with embarrasment! That’s Red, with a capital R!!
making that… Harry R. Ballz?
LOL
Well, that depends, would you rather have red or blue balls? Me? I’ll take red, any day of the week!! Nyuk, nyuk…..
Easy, Ballzy. You don’t want to get Josh T’ed.
no Shatner in star trek = A chicken and bacon club sandwitch without the bacon
#180
we got it Snake… enjoy your meal