The time is not ripe yet for tolerance as you will “continue to insist” on your concept. My suggestion would be a ceasefire for the time being, as
a) I am able to apply the tolerance concept
b) this might be getting tiresome for others
c) we will miss the premiere of ST XI if we continue this infinite loop…

Hey man, don’t blame me. I thought you have been looking a might bit peekid as of late.

Sorry about lunch, though. Next ones on me, pal. Err…..I mean I’ll buy.

Hmmm…Are you trying to tell me the word hero has more than one meaning in the dictionary? Really? Like I didn’t know that. Duh!

But you already know we were only talking about personal heros in our lives, not every possible definition and use of the noun.

But’s that’s ok, you can continue to insist that Capt Kirk is a “real hero” in your life (sad) and I will continue to insist that your hero is nothing more than a fictional, make believe, TV/movie character that is unworthy to be considered a real hero, in any meaningful and personal sense of the word.

By the way I do like William Shatner as an actor and think he’s done some great work over the years.I also like the fictional character of Capt. Kirk in TOS. He’s handsome, brave, resourceful, a lady’s man and a great leader for sure. But sorry to say, the real person Shatner and his fictional alter ego Kirk don’t measure up to what I believe is a real hero, not even close.

But I can agree that Capt Kirk is a “science fiction hero”- just like Luke Skywalker, Buc Rogers, maybe even Barf from Spaceballs!

Mike :o

Well………here comes LUNCH!!! UUrrpppppp…………..

(runs and hides)

Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary:

Main Entry: he•ro
Pronunciation: ‘hir-(”)O
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural heroe
Etymology: Latin heros, from Greek hErOs
1 a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability b : an illustrious warrior c : a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities d : one that shows great courage
2 a : the principal male character in a literary or dramatic work b : the central figure in an event, period, or movement

This is my final contribution regarding “heroes”. I think it is self-explanatory. The rest of your post is a battology of what you said before and requires no answer.

Iowagirl (insert happy, hopeful face)

But some final thoughts for all you devoted
“Kirk/Shatner Hero Worshipers” If I remember correctly William Shatner himself allowed his beloved character to be killed off a few Trek movies ago. No one put a gun to his head and forced him to do that, and It was his decision to agree to that script. (and to take the millions)

As far as I’m concerned it no longer makes any sense for Shatner to be in the next movie, except in a cameo appearance or some voiceover work. But if the writers can somehow come up with a meaninful and plausible way to bring back Shatner’s Kirk one last time, I’m all for it.

But either way I could really care less. I just hope the writers of the next film don’t come up with some lame reason to have Shatner in the movie, just to pacify the “bring back Shat crowd” and in the process ruin the movie.

This film needs to appeal to more than just the TOS crowd if it is to have any hope of relaunching the Trek franchise and bringing in a new generation of fans.

Well I can’t leave this thread without one last photon burst directed toward Iowagirl and Shatner fan…

In my book a hero is a “real human being” that has done something wonderful and selfless for his friends, his family, his community, his country or for humanity in general. Real “heroes” ARE NOT ficitional characters from movies or TV and books, or wildly overpayed actors, musicians, athletes and most celebrities in general.

Sorry if you don’t agree, but I take offensive at those people in this site that say fictional characters like Capt Kirk or Spock or Capt Sisko etc are their real heroes. These people make a mockery of genuine heroes and in doing so cheapen the very definition of the word.

In a world full of celebrity worship and idoltry, it’s sad to me that so many people consider actors, celebrities and fictional characters real heroes in their lives.

Nuf said!

Mike :o (This is not a angry face!)

OK then. When Shatner goes outside in his red uni from The Undiscovered Country, all the kids in the neighborhood yell “Hey Kool-aid!”