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Remastered “Dagger of the Mind” Screenshots and Video October 14, 2007

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Capt. Tracey Simon Van Gelder


Helloooo Doctor


Spock gets personal


Kirk gets the treatment


Therapy 23rd century style


Kirk gets more treatment


Spock…jealous?

 

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Comments

1. grover sald - October 14, 2007

Nice rings on the planet, but why so grey?

2. Skippy 2k - October 14, 2007

Looks good, glad they replaced the matte with a new one. Looking at the pics that old shot looks new to me… I don’t recall seeing the ship approach that red planet from that side/angle (not that it was shown from that side often). Only recall where its flying away from the back of the ship….

Anyway cool as usual!

3. Harry Ballz - October 14, 2007

Look, I love a lot of the remastered effects, BUT…….are my eyes deceiving me or does the ship seem “jerky” as it moves through space? Shouldn’t it be fluid in motion? Will it look better on the DVD set when it comes out next month?

4. OneBuckFilms - October 14, 2007

3: That’s an artifact of the video playback on the PC.

It looked perfectly smooth on the TV Saturday night.

5. Harry Ballz - October 14, 2007

Thanks for the clarification!

6. Commodore Z - October 14, 2007

#3 are you watching crappy, highly-compressed internet clips or are you watching it on TV? The motion looked perfectly smooth to me on TV.

7. Commodore Z - October 14, 2007

#3: Sorry, I didn’t realize that someone had already given the same answer.

8. OR Coast Trekkie - October 14, 2007

Looks like good shots here.

Ok, KLSR Eugene seems to have dropped the 11:30 pm Sunday rebroadcast of Trek. With the league championship series and World Series coming up on Fox, I am missing these episodes… but at least for good reason.

Alright, so the question is: Anyone in the Eugene market know when these will be shown, or are we out of luck till the end of the World Series?

9. Al - October 14, 2007

More ship beauty shots – very nice. There must be such a library of them now they surely can concentrate on other stuff?

10. Engon - October 15, 2007

Well, let me be the first to ask. What the heck is going on with the new Tantalus exterior “matte painting?”

From the soundtrack, Kirk and Noel should be beaming into the image. Instead, some sort of small, indistinct, opaque blob dissolves into the shot just before it cuts to the original footage.

I am missing something? Does it make more sense in HD?

11. George Armstrong Custer - October 15, 2007

Yes because you are seeing them materialize from a long way out. The sound efects are just to tell you that they are beaming down at the entrance of the lab.

12. Nuallain - October 15, 2007

This episode has to be king of the Captain “Inappropriate Touching” Kirk episodes. Oh, sure, his behaviour in other episodes could be seen as sexual harassment or they could be seen as a sign of sexually liberated 23rd century but here…

The best qualified staff not getting the appropriate assignments because they got the benefit of the Captain’s Log first hand and now he’s trying to avoid them.

For shame, Jim, for *shame*…

13. Cervantes - October 15, 2007

Some nice work here by the CBS Digital team, and what a difference a ‘ringed’ planet makes here and there. Now if only there could be a few more planets ‘stylized’ with moons…

And I hope the crew were all holding onto something for that steep ‘banking’ manouver…

14. Vulcan Soul - October 15, 2007

If they replaced the matte painting anyway, why replace the nice rust-colored planet with this dull urine-colored blob, color-wise? The continuing attempts to water down the original style with more so-called “realism” and comtemporary [bland] style is nothing but tiring…

More color, more light, more contrast, guys!

(And no, that’s not just a matter of changing TV settings…)

15. Storma - October 15, 2007

Superb!

16. Ty Webb - October 15, 2007

Nice comparisons. I don’t know if it’s your capturing software or the way they were recorded from TV but the remastered shots take on a dull lifeless quality here. Any chance of fixing them in photoshop beforehand?

17. Toonloon - October 15, 2007

@14. Perhaps they are thinking about where would you want to build a high security underground facility. Pick a nice idllyic world with lots of grass and flora for the lunatics to look at out a window, or pick somewhere that is of no interest to anyone.

Also, if its an underground facility then it stands to reason that there must be a good reason for not building on the surface. Perhaps because it is a dull grey blob of a planet and there is nothing up there of any note.

18. eagle219406 - October 15, 2007

THis was good with the CGI. My only complaint is when they cut scenes out for syndication. I hope I can get the DVD. IT is terrible when you see that. For example: When you here Spock Make his log about using the Vulcan Mind meld, in the syndation you here him make it while doing the meld itself. In the original he is talking to Dr. Mccoy between the log and the meld, the meld also is a little longer. I also missed the first 10 minutes because I overslept.

19. eagle219406 - October 15, 2007

Another note. THese episodes are good, but I would like to see an episode where the enterprise isn’t spending practically the entire episode orbiting a planet. I know that there weren’t very many of them but WHen I see one I hopefully will be very impressed.

20. New Horizon - October 15, 2007

Looked ok, but as others have mentioned…why the hell do they keep dulling the look of TOS down to such a distilled and lifeless palette?

21. Ty Webb - October 15, 2007

#19. Impressed by what?

22. Ro-Dan - October 15, 2007

Some very nice Enterprise shots in this episode. I really loved the scene with the Enterprise entering Tantalus orbit. You can see the impulse engines lighting up as they kick in. Very cool.

23. Magic_Al - October 15, 2007

I wish the FX reel had shown the doorway shot following the new matte. How well the matte leads into that is part of the effect.

24. Gary - October 15, 2007

The old #3 pic’s link is incorrect. This is the correct link:

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/daggermind/old_tosr011_3.jpg

25. Jeffery Wright - October 15, 2007

once again, the original studio miniature shots are more convincing. using a cgi model was a mistake given their budget and schedule. cgi models can look like solid, real objects, but it can’t be done in haste. too bad this remastering is just another repackaging money-grab by paramount… it sure shows. interesting though. the original matte painting using parts of the old lithium cracking station to me showed the use of common machinery technology for the period. the new matte is pretty cool though. the original planet looked more alien… and was pretty good for the day.

26. CmdrR. - October 15, 2007

Nice!
I especially like the close orbital shot which corrects (?) a scale problem with the windows. On this shot, the E’s “bump” under the bridge (I’d call it an aeriola, but you’d blush) appears to have at least four or five decks. When the windows appear large, the scale suggests one maybe two decks. This kind of detail could enhance the familiar E and make it that much more believable in the movie. (I’d still like to be able to look in and see Helen taking a shower.)

27. Ty Webb - October 15, 2007

#25. “once again, the original studio miniature shots are more convincing”

Once again the studio minature shots look like the same ones that were used a dozen times before in other episodes. ;) They also look cruddy as hell.

28. seangh - October 15, 2007

Underwhelming yet again CBSD. Yes, the space shots are looking better. Nice planet this week, though the rings seem odd – transperant grey?

But in all honesty, the CGI work is nothing to crow about, don’t forget it’s 2007 folks, not 1997. The level of CGI we are getting from them is barely acceptable, not groundbreaking on any level, maybe a notch above HQ game work.

What I really look forward to are all the nice little enhancements, with the exception of the new exterior matte painting, this show had none. Why couldn’t we see an updated neural neutralizer – it was a cut away shot everytime we saw it, so it could have easily been re-created, same with the control panel. And don’t get me started with wrinkled paper view screens on the bridge – won’t those look beautiful in HD – can’t wait!

I just hope that CBSD knocks our socks off with “The Ultimate Computer” and then maybe I’ll keep tuning in, but at this point, I’m just about done with this so-called re-mastering effort. It’s bordering on the pathetic.

29. seangh - October 15, 2007

Oh and forgot to mention the shot of McCoy on the bridge viewscreen with a matte line about 4 inches thick on the left side. Again – easily re-created . I could do that in after effects, take me about – say 5 minutes. C’mon CBSD!

30. Batts - October 15, 2007

I thought this was an interesting episode and as far as the new digital effects are concerned..It was OK! The ship approaching and leaving Tantalus bothered me a little it still seemed cartoonish..All in all, good job!

31. JBS (hailing frequencies open from Issaquah, Washington) - October 15, 2007

13. Cervantes “…… And I hope the crew were all holding onto something for that steep ‘banking’ manouver…”

That bothered me too. Can anyone explain why a starship out in space would need to tilt like that (as if it’s a small airplane) when turning around? This shot occurred when Kirk ordered the Enterprise to return to Tantalus early in the episode (second row, below “New and Old” pictures above).

32. Dom - October 15, 2007

Marianna Hill, who played the wonderfully-named Helen Noel, who had a liaison at a Christmas party with Kirk, went on to play Fredo Corleone’s splendidly trashy wife in The Godfather Part 2.

As a child, it was the chilling mind ripping of Kirk that I remember from this episode. As an adult I was, like, ‘Holey moley!’ on seeing the gorgeous Dr Noel! Few women have fitted a 60s Starfleet uniform so well!

33. DavidJ - October 15, 2007

#20

In a side by side comparision, the new FX do look a bit duller and less colorful I agree. But in the context of the episode, they seem to fit in very well and are actually MORE consistent with the production values in the rest of the show. Looking at the original eps, the FX seem incredibly jarring and out of place now, and don’t do nearly as good a job of telling the story.

But enough about that. The best part of THIS episode was Doctor Noell! Why is it the other Trek series never had girls this hot walking around?

34. Bart - October 15, 2007

We have already seen the best NCC 1701 there is. It is the movie version which is absolutely beautiful. They can’t do anything better than that in restyling the Enterprise design…

35. Jeff Bond - October 15, 2007

I love that scene with Noel and Kirk in the transporter room before they beam down–Noel is actually sexually harassing Kirk! That is pretty ballsy for the period. Amazing how much young Marianna Hill looks and sounds like Gina Davis.

I think this must be the last of the first season episodes, which had to be rushed to finish for the DVD box set–hopefully the pressure will let up now a little and we can see a bit more finessing in these episodes. And yes, I agree that this approach hasn’t been the best of all possible worlds where this project is concerned but I still want the DVDs and am enjoying the remastered episodes.

36. sean's clone - October 15, 2007

Jeff – I can’t them a pass because they need to rush to meet a DVD release deadline. That’s rediculous.

This entire effort has been inconsistent from the get go. I kinda buy the arguement that they are spending more time with the fan faves (“I, Mudd” “The Doomsday Machine” etc) but I’m nervous. This second season of remastered shows has been disapppointing. Like others have said, I’ll reserve final judgement until “The Ultimate Computer” and “The Enterprise Incident” hit the air… please WOW us CBSD!

37. Dr. Image - October 15, 2007

Yes, here I go again with the nacelle ball size arguement. Just check the screen caps…
And I totally agree with #36 above.
A tangible, solid-looking Enterprise IS possible with CGI. D.Doc. and Dennis have shown that. Exactly WHAT CBS-D’s problem is, and has been, remains a mystery to me.

38. Ron - October 15, 2007

#19: But orbiting planets is pretty much all the Enterprise *did* in the old episodes, if you think about it. Instances where we see it doing anything really different (say, battle other ships) are, as you suggest, pretty few and far between, and by my count most of them have already been remastered. Tomorrow is Yesterday, Doomsday Machine, and Immunity Syndrome are examples that jump to mind. Ultimate Computer will hopefully shake up that status quo a little bit.

39. GNDN - October 15, 2007

Regarding old pic #3:

I thought it interesting that the most awkward approach shot of the original series was replaced by an equally awkward CGI. Something about it reminded me of the shakey AMT Constellation at the end of “The Doomsday Machine”.

Say what you will about this project, I know that I am watching these episodes again for the first time in about 10 years, largely for the effects. But the restored prints have been delightful. A certain hairpiece has never been more evident.

40. tronnei - October 15, 2007

Still to come from the first season: “The Alternative Factor” and “Operation: Annihilate!” The latter has a lame title; the former is just lame.

41. Scott Gammans - October 15, 2007

Face it, Dr. Image–no matter how hard the CBS Digital team tries, they’re never going to completely satisfy everyone’s expectations. They’re on a tight budget and an even tighter release schedule, so I’d say that what we’ve seen so far is pretty amazing, given the circumstances.

42. Robert Bernardo - October 15, 2007

eagle219406 wrote:

> My only complaint is when they cut scenes out for syndication.

Yeah, they cut the scenes with Helen Noel crawling through the air ducts!

43. Iowagirl - October 15, 2007

#32

Maybe you should also remember about Dr Noel that she was the one crawling through the badly lit aisles, causing the crucial short-circuit, knocking out that guard, grabbing his phaser, and crawling back to a quite incapable Kirk, who stood there WAITING for her…;-)

44. Commodore Z - October 15, 2007

Every version of Star Trek has been done on a tight budget, relative to the plans of the producers (huge) and the expectations of the audience (even huger). I think it’s safe to say that the people making each version have done their best to stretch their production dollars to do as much as possible.

Put another way, no matter how much is done, or how it is done, it is always possible to wish for more, or to think of another way to do it.

This will no doubt apply to Star Trek XI, despite having the highest budget ever.

I liked the matte painting in “Dagger of the Mind”, BTW.

45. Booji Spock - October 15, 2007

We have more fantastic stuff again from the CBS-D team. I hope they have some cool features on the team doing this work on the upcoming HD-DVD sets. I’d love to see the works in progress or ideas not used type of extras on the new set. I know how hard it is working on some of the on set shots and the rotoscoping type of work involved. The few shots they have done have put those few shows on a new beautiful level that I enjoy very much. The one shot in “Arena” with the one shot of the Gorn on its back had his eyes blink for second was awesome. I would love to hear the story behind that and why it wasn’t through out the episode. That made the Gorn a little less stiff.
It would be great to have a prototype CBS-D Re-mastered episode with more touched up material, like those horrible paper displays on the bridge. It would take ages to do of course, but I’d pay to have a set with new blinkie Winkies (the Nick Meyer type of update) or moving data (more in line with what was shown in the back ground of the motion pictures). Maybe start a petition to have more upgrading done? You could have images on those screens that could link with all incarnations in Star Trek land OK Star Trek space.
The reason I say this is because the contrast between the new shots on the live action materials shot and the space and planetary shots is a bit jarring a bit. You can see the wrinkles in the pictures in the background of the bridge in low resolution and can’t imagine what that is going to look in HD? It is still very refreshing seeing TOS in a new light now.

46. bdrcarter - October 15, 2007

Love the work CBS-D is able to do with the small budget and tight timeline Paramount has dumped on them.

But I have a suggestion/question: Can’t the bridge “frame” around the main viewscreen shot be rendered digitally? (I’m talking about the close up shot as seen in the fouorth set of pictures above…so you can’t see the backs of Sulu and the navigator.) It’s used so often and the live frame is so grainy/fuzzy/dirty…it’s a real distraction when there is a lovely new CGI graphic in the screen itself. It’s one of the glaring problems of merging the new with the old. It most case it works seamlessly. But the viewscreen shot, that’s just not the case.

It’s a pretty simple background to render so it shouldn’t be too hard to make it look “real.” And we see a viewscreen shot seveal times in each episode. Seems like it would be worthwhile investment. Do it well once and you can use it throughout the rest of the episodes.

Just wondering.

47. sean's clone - October 15, 2007

37. Dr. Image

The CGI work continues to baffle me – it’s is so mediocre. What Dennis and Doc have done is amazing on virtually no budget. I’m so disappointed that in 2007 CBSD is churning out this kind of work – it’s just so sub-par.

and 44. Commodore Z

There’s no excuses – deadlines and budget – forget that nonsense. It’s a botched effort and they don’t seem to be making changes to fix that – good luck selling these DVDs.

48. billy don't be a hiro - October 15, 2007

Have “Mudd’s Women” and “The Enemy Within” aired yet?

49. Commodore Z - October 15, 2007

#47: It’s easy to say that budgets and deadlines don’t matter, and as a viewer, that is perfectly valid, because all that really matters is if you like it or not. But for those who claim to speak with expertise about production, they should know that budgets and deadlines very much matter in the workplace. To pretend otherwise is to admit ignorance.

50. New Horizon - October 15, 2007

#47 – Sadly, the DVD’s will likely sell…and suckers will buy them.

For some reason, there are those who feel they need to defend every pixel that is put on the screen by CBS D. The work they’ve done truly hasn’t been of professional quality most of the time. I’m not saying their amateurs, but for the life of me…I can’t figure out why they’re putting out a product that consistently misses the mark in terms of professional quality.

I certainly don’t have impossibly high standards, and their work certainly doesn’t suck, but it’s the type of work I would expect to see posted in a fan forum. Daren did a much better job of capturing TOS. They also don’t seem to have a sense of how the ship needs to move to look real and have a sense of mass. They should look no further than TMP and TWOK for that.

Bah…it’s useless. The DVD’s will be released with subpar work. There’s no sense fighting for higher quality anymore. The execs won’t allow the team more time and money to do this properly. CBS was too pig headed to get Daren in on the project….it was doomed to be half assed from the start.

51. neo - October 15, 2007

still crap, i see

for shame

52. eagle219406 - October 15, 2007

#28. Underwhelming yet again CBSD. Yes, the space shots are looking better. Nice planet this week, though the rings seem odd – transperant grey?

In case you didn’t know. A planet’s rings aren’t really rings at all. They are a large collection of Space rocks floating really close together around a planet. From far away, they appear to be a ring. And the color of rocks is gray.

53. eagle219406 - October 15, 2007

#31 “That bothered me too. Can anyone explain why a starship out in space would need to tilt like that (as if it’s a small airplane) when turning around? This shot occurred when Kirk ordered the Enterprise to return to Tantalus early in the episode (second row, below “New and Old” pictures above). ”

Our shuttles have to do it why shouldn’t a starship.

54. eagle219406 - October 15, 2007

I often wonder something with a lot of you people. It is clear you don’t like the CGI CHange and no matter what happens you never are going to like it. So the question is: WHy do you continue to watch them if it is clear that you are never going to change your opinion of them? If you don’t like it, nobody is forcing you to watch it.

55. Ty Webb - October 15, 2007

#50. “Daren did a much better job of capturing TOS. ”

And how long did it take him to do just one episode? Ages. Agreed Darren had captured the spirit of the original FX more, although a little too faithfully for my personal taste. I was keen on the recreation of 2D effects and the planet killer was a little too ‘Irwin Allen’.

56. Ty Webb - October 15, 2007

#50. “Daren did a much better job of capturing TOS. ”

And how long did it take him to do just one episode? Ages. Agreed Darren had captured the spirit of the original FX more, although a little too faithfully for my personal taste. I wasn’t keen on the recreation of 2D effects and the planet killer was a little too ‘Irwin Allen’.

57. billy don't be a hiro - October 15, 2007

“Can anyone explain why a starship out in space would need to tilt like that (as if it’s a small airplane) when turning around?”

Because it looks good on screen.

58. CmdrR. - October 15, 2007

“Can anyone explain why a starship out in space would need to tilt like that (as if it’s a small airplane) when turning around?”

Because it looks good on screen.

^ True. It’s an artistic choice. B-5 went the other direction and got some interesting action on the screen. Totally realistic space shots would be dark, slow (no moving stars even at warp speed) silent (of course) and distant. You’d get a lot of moving specs of light.

59. New Horizon - October 15, 2007

56-And how long did it take him to do just one episode? Ages.

He was one person. You can’t realistically compare the time it takes for one person vs the time of an entire team. The current effort doesn’t need to look exactly like Daren’s work, but it could certainly use his touch on lighting and composition of shots.

60. Sean4000 - October 15, 2007

Am I spawning clones? lol.

#52. The opening sequence of Voyager perfectly illustrates your point.

Overall underwhelming effort indeed.

61. sean's clone - October 15, 2007

52. eagle219406

They are also ice, gas and other elements – and they are also colorful inmany cases.

62. sean's clone - October 15, 2007

49. Commodore Z – October 15, 2007
“#47: It’s easy to say that budgets and deadlines don’t matter…”

Why does everyone seem to forget that CBS/PARAMOUNT is one of the biggest studios in the world. Star Trek has been a multi-billion dollar cash cow over the years.

If CBS / PARAMOUNT cannot do this job RIGHT – then who can?

Also, I’m thinking it less abudget / time issue and more of a competence issue. I think the Okudas are in over their head on this project – the results are on the screen.

63. DavidJ - October 15, 2007

59

Jeez, are people still complaining about the lack of bright, TOS-style FX in this project? I agree it would have been cool, but the style they chose works just as well, and the ship looks just as hard and solid as what Daren came up with. I admit I don’t have an HDTV like you guys apparently do, but what I see looks pretty damn sharp, and at least as good any any other ship FX I’ve seen on television.

As far as compositions, it seems like 95% of what CBS does is matched perfectly to the original FX anyway.

64. Commodore Z - October 15, 2007

#62: Even if Darren had gotten the contract for TOS-R, he would have to work with the same budget and schedule limitations that CBS-Digital works with.

65. Jim J (more for complainers?) - October 15, 2007

Well, yup, “Gamesters…” preview is up and NO they don’t have a new background for the “providers.” I bet 1,000 quatloos that they did that on purpose to raise everyone’s blood pressure once again!!!!! It’s a game, I tell you!

66. sean's clone - October 15, 2007

Why is everyone assuming they are under tremendous budget and time constraints? If you have inside information – please do tell. And that really is no excuse.

All we have to go on is their work – which is, to be generous, just so so.

Again folks, it’s 2007, not 1997. CGI has come along way. I would expect they would put up a product that is at least as good as the effects in a new Trek show would be.

67. Stanky McFibberich - October 15, 2007

I think the ship has looked great for quite some time. I could do without the swooping turn this week, but overall it looked great.

68. Engon - October 15, 2007

#31 #53 #57 #58 #67

The swooping turn of the Enterprise actually does make sense. If you assume that the ship navigates by altering its yaw pitch and roll and that there is a maximum speed by which you can adjust any of these attitudes, then combining two or even all three of these attitude changes will turn you around faster than turning in a single plane. You would likely wind up rolled by comparison to where you started but that could be adjusted with no loss of time once you’re on course.

69. MichaelJohn - October 15, 2007

As usual the new CGI effects in this episode are pretty good and moderately improve on the original.

The Enterprise looked great, especially in the close up shots, and the ringed planet looked cool too. But I think the new matte painting is the biggest improvement for this episode. It reminds me of a futuristic “Alien Alcatraz” where there is no escape for the mental patients.

As far as the screenplay, I’ve always thought the sick bay scene with Dr. Simon Van Gelder and Spock was quite dramatic and intense. Both did a fine bit of acting, especially Morgan Woodward who looked completely insane and “constipated with pain”!

Grade B+ for this episode.

Mike :o

70. I AM THX-1138 - October 15, 2007

With all due respect, I like the FX in these remasterd eps. I am continually going back to my old DVD’s and wincing at just how poorly they hold up. We can all complain about the new FX, but anything would be an improvement over the old shots. It has always been off-putting to see two different E’s in the same episode. At least now there is consistency.

71. T Negative - October 15, 2007

I thought the CBS-D team did a good job here. What’s wrong with the Swooping turn shot?? That was actually my favorite shot!! It was a dynamic shot that fit perfectly with the dialog spoken on screen. Why just put a boring flat flyby of the camera when they can deliver a beautiful shot that shows the Big E is actually a rather agile starship?? I don’t get some of you people.

I say keep up it up CBS.

72. Buckaroohawk - October 15, 2007

Engon (#68),

Thank you for posting that explanation of why the Enterprise (or any other ship in space) doesn’t simply just “spin around” and head back in the direction it came.

Even though objects are weightless in the vacuum of space they still have mass, and when you’re pushing that mass in a particular direction (say, forward), you can’t just turn on a dime and reverse direction. You have to make adjustments for directional stresses or you’ll likely snap your ship in two. And that would be bad.

Now, it would be possible to cut the main impulse engines, fire braking thrusters to slow the ship, fire directional thrusters in sequence to bring the ship about 180 degrees, then engage the impulse engines again. Visually, though, that would look like the Enteprise was spinning on a central axis as she travelled in a straight line, then went back the way she came, much as if she were skating on a sheet of ice. Now consider how many of us would complain about how silly that maneuver looked on-screen. All that would be missing would be the sound of squealing tires and the over-revving of a V8 engine.

I’ll take the languid, sloping turn over that any day, thank you.

73. I AM THX-1138 - October 15, 2007

Works for me, Buck. And it looks danged purty on the TV, too.

Now JJ, I’m going to go all BBE on you (Bring Back the Enterprise). DO NOT screw around with the design of the Enterprise. Get a blue eyed Kirk. Get a muscly McCoy. Get a blond haired Scotty. But just look how nice the Enterprise appears on these remastered episodes. Follow that lead. Follow New Voyages. Follow Exeter. Don’t do one of those soap-opera deals where they recast the actor and tell everyone that his different look is because of plastic surgury. There is nothing wrong with the E’s appearance. I promise to be open-minded and accepting on just about all issues save this. This is not where you put your stamp on Star Trek.

Please.

74. OR Coast Trekkie - October 15, 2007

To everyone commenting on the “tilting Enterprise” shot:

I rather like that shot. And yes, it would look silly to have the Enterprise turn on a dime on a single plane.

Plus, artificial gravity and inertial dampeners would keep the crew from needing to “grab something” considering that space has no orientation.

However, another efficient and expedient way to turn the ship 180 degrees and reverse course would also be to bring the “nose” in a downward continuous arc position in relation to the ship is heading, therefore, giving the ship the appearance that is is turing upside down in relation to how it was before. I have no idea if I properly conveyed that image or not.

But I always kind of did wonder why any Enterprises were always shown just travelling on a single plane. Quite frankly, I loved the 3-nacelled 1701-D going bad-a$$, and flying and firing up through the belly of the Klingon ship. Why were all ship rendevouzs “nose to nose?” It’s outer space.

75. Dr. Image - October 16, 2007

I dunno. Personally, I liked the old Doug Trumbull motion control look of the E leaving the solar system in TMP. A kind of a slight lateral sliding during the move. That banking crap- naaa, not good.

76. LordEdzo - October 16, 2007

Since they replaced the original (reused) matte painting of the Tantalus Colony, then I can’t wait to see how Flint’s “re-imagined” CG home will look in “Requiem for Methuselah.”

The new penal building and the ringed Tantalus-5 are stunning new images. Great job!

Beautiful CGI renderings of the Enterprise, as usual. However, in one of the “orbital” CGIs, the saucer section’s ventral array appears to be unlit.

Despite her ridiculous “costume,” Marianna Hill as “Dr. Helen Noel” holds her own with Mr. Shatner. She’s more than a beautiful woman; Hill portrays Noel as a strong and learned woman. It’s too bad she never appeared again.

I’ve been trying to understand what Dr. Adams hoped to accomplish by taking Kirk and Noel hostage. Despite the security screen protecting the penal colony, he knew the Enterprise was in orbit and could have forced a way in, if it became necessary.

Adams is very well-written, not your typical “heavy” who’s trying to conceal his behind-the-scenes actions. Adams admits everything to Kirk regarding Van Gelder – but only when Kirk asks directly. Adams offers no embellishments, and of course, his “cover story” is well-rehearsed.

I guess Adams hoped to subject Kirk and, eventually, Noel to the neural neutralizer, alter their memories sufficiently enough that they’re satisfied nothing is amiss on Tantalus, and then continue his “mad doctor” routine after they’d left. Van Gelder, of course, would have been dismissed as a raving lunatic and confined someplace else …

… Elba-2, anyone?

77. Booji Spock - October 16, 2007

I do not normally write twice in these great forums, but after reading comment #46, I went back to watch what that was all about and noticed a real bad boo boo , but not with the CBS-D department, but the CBS film restoration department. At about 4 to 5 minutes into the show (with commercials)just when Kirk and McCoy are talking, they show the main veiw screen and oh boy how did a super and I do mean super scratched up shot get threw the restoration team filter? I guess someone else also didn’t notice like I did the first time. This is really not the shot that comment #46 is refering too with Sulu in frame. It is a static shot of the main screen. It looks as though it is a re-used shot like many others in the series. Can someone please answer me on this? I’m dying to know.
The fantastic website here, http://startrekhistory.com/restoration/index.html , is fantastic with much info on the restoration going on. So I am a little curious to what happened here. They could have found a better source episode to sample the screen and re-cycle it. Just like to know. It is very clear even though it is only a few seconds of screen time. Has anyone else seen this, it makes all the hard work done on this episode seem rushed. Is this the way it will look on HD-DVD? So please can anybody help me answer this question? Take a look if you still have the episode copied.

78. eagle219406 - October 16, 2007

I personally believe that the Tilt/bank effect with the U-turn was necesary because really the only ship I’ve seen do a 180 Degree rotation was Enterprise-D. It was probably specially designed to do that since I don’t recall seeing any ships since then do it. Not even Voyager.

As for the comment about the rings around the planet not being colorful enough. Think of it this way. The planet was supposed to be a prison. They probably made it that way for the same reason why it is always raining at a funeral or dark and stormy around an evil fortress. It sets the mood. I don’t think having a colorful planet for a prison would have set the right tone.

79. gideon blaze - October 16, 2007

> 76. LordEdzo – October 16, 2007
> Beautiful CGI renderings of the Enterprise, as usual.
> However, in one of the “orbital” CGIs, the saucer section’s
> ventral array appears to be unlit.

This seemed like a MAJOR glitch to me. Looked like they just didn’t render that bottom dome on the saucer. You can even see it in the pic on this page:

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/daggermind/new_tosr011_7.jpg

WTF?

80. Reign1701A - October 16, 2007

To #25, and many others: Sure, sometimes in the still shot comparisons, the original models look more convincing/realistic. But go watch your TOS dvds again. I’ve been watching them a lot recently. Nothing will truly make you appreciate the job the TOS remastered team has been doing then watching the OLD fx in action. Not only is the ship movement (and other fx movement) often horribly awkard (usually in the 1st season and half of the second), but they’re horribly scratched. I mean horribly. This shot, http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/daggermind/old_tosr011_2.jpg, in particular usually looks horrible. Often, the Enterprise is also devoid of color! I was initially against this project, and I agree with you sometimes that in still shot comparisons, the original look better. BUT, the remastered fx shots are not only MUCH MUCH MUCH cleaner, but are a lot smoother. ESPECIALLY with the ship movement. Is the CGI work perfect? No. Could they do better? Possibly with more time and budget. But still, vast improvement over the original in almost every case. So again I say, go pop in your TOS dvds, then come back and comment here.

81. T in HI - October 16, 2007

Yup, 80, 62, 47 et al… You got it. I look at the remastered Enterprise and the word “cartoon” pops in my mind, considering the lighting, contrast and those blasted nacelle caps that just look so FAKE it makes me want to scream. Remember the Romulan senator from “In The Pale Moonlight”? “IT’S A FAKE!”

Why oh why oh why can these guys do such a great job on mattes like in “Amok Time”, “Wink of an Eye”, and yes, this episode, and yet be so completely unable to give us an Enterprise at least of the quality of the CGI Defiant in “In a Mirror, Darkly”????? Or even STARSHIP EXETER?

A true shame… the original Constitution Class starships are the best looking ships ever in any incarnation of Star Trek… and simply put, the remastered versions don’t do them justice.

Perhaps “The Ultimate Computer” will redeem the remasterers… but I’m not holding my breath. I lay 10 to 1 they diasappoint me just like the did on “The Doomsday Machine.”

’nuff said.

82. seangh - October 17, 2007

I’m hoping against hope tha the CBSD team is working especially hard on “The Ultimate Computer” and “The Enterprise Incident” – but we won’t see those until early next year.

83. eagle219406 - October 17, 2007

#81: “Yup, 80, 62, 47 et al… You got it. I look at the remastered Enterprise and the word “cartoon” pops in my mind, considering the lighting, contrast and those blasted nacelle caps that just look so FAKE it makes me want to scream. Remember the Romulan senator from “In The Pale Moonlight”? “IT’S A FAKE!”

I’ve seen the animated series of star trek You want to talk Cartoon enterprise just look at that. I look at the CG enterprise. That is far from cartoon. Look at the Animated series and compare the two then comment on what looks cartoonish.

84. eagle219406 - October 17, 2007

81. one other thing. About the nacelle caps looking fake. They are fake. Nacelle caps don’t exist. They can’t look real because they never were real. JUst what would you have them look like. because Nacelle caps are not real. ANd no I do not remember the Romulan senator from “in the pale moonlight?”

85. eagle219406 - October 18, 2007

“Perhaps “The Ultimate Computer” will redeem the remasterers… but I’m not holding my breath. I lay 10 to 1 they diasappoint me just like the did on “The Doomsday Machine.”

I can tell you now that you’re probably going to be dissappointed because it seems to me that you are unsatisfiable. I think they did the best work they could do on these and you say they look like crap. You are UNSATISFIABLE. I know your type you will not be happy no matter what they do. So just do yourself a favor and don’t watch anymore. We don’t want to hear any more of this.

86. Joe Burns - October 21, 2007

81: OMG I laughed so hard “It’s a fake!” LOL!
ITPM was one of DS9s best from the 6th season. Worth looking at for those who haven’t caught it. It debuted the “Insurrection” dress whites on TV.
I disagree, however, on the nacelle caps. I dig ‘em. Hated the early version that looked like the Smithsonian job, but since we got the Xmas lights in there I’ve been happy. Maybe just a touch more of opacity in the translucence of the outer material, but that’s a quibble.
As 84 says, they don’t exist in *any* case, so it’s a question of artistic license versus fidelity to the original. Nacelle caps are currently hitting a good balance IMHO.
Still, “It’s a faaaaaaaake!” LOL! Anyone who has season 6 laying around owes it to themselves to pop in that disk. Priceless!

87. Richard Wicks - November 15, 2008

People defending the remastering work have never done 3D animation, I can tell. The CGI is no better and is frequently worse, than what you see in a typical video game.

Eventually some fan that has the desire to do it, will sit down, and just fix all the special effects. Personally, I prefer the original.

When motion recognition is a lot better and human models are better, I’d like to see all the video replaced entirely by CGI synched to the audio. Seeing it entirely updated like that would be interesting, if only for a curiosity.

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