Star Trek Movie ‘Mistakes’ Mash-Up October 16, 2007
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Trek Franchise , trackbackThere has been a lot of fretting over canon and continuity for the new film. This new YouTube vid takes a look at the record of just the last four cinematic entries…
But it isn’t just the TNG movies…Trek is riddled with ‘paradoxes’ as this video shown at the recent Creation Star Trek Convention in Vegas demonstrates
thanks Etha
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A great little vid :)
interesting stuff
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
who cares, close enough!! :D
data could’ve always made modifications
Kirk in Star Trek VI: “Shapeshifters. Heard about you. Thought you were mythical.”
That one always bothered me.
Was there a second video? It ends abruptly.
The fact that there’s an error about the decks in First Contact from one scene to another is funny.
But yeah, this is why a) people shouldn’t take continuity down to the letter and b) they should just read the books if they’re really that concerned, since many of the books explain stuff like Wesley being in uniform in Nemesis.
That’s Thomas Riker there, and one of those kisses was a dream sequence.
That scene with Burlinghoff Rasmussen should’ve also incldued Worf saying there were no phasers in the 22nd century, and then cut to any Enterprise scene using their phasers.
None of the “money” was used on earth.
You also cant forget the famous “turbo lift shaft” scene.
But I loved it.
Here’s one…If Klingons are so tough how come they’re afraid of tribbles?
BRILLIANT! !
AND in support of my case that writing in First Contact was careless and slipshod- MORE so than anywhere else! Ha!
….And if Klingons hate tribbles so much wasn’t Scotty beaming them aboard the klingon ships a death sentence?
#6 — no, that’s the ending of the vid. Data says “I will not grow old,” and then it cuts to a quick glimpse of him in Nemesis looking, well, old.
Great compilation (and, of course, just the tip of the iceberg).
LOL! I think I noticed each of the mistakes on viewing the movies the first time – which is why I grew to hate B&B’s garbage so much.
You could have made an 8 minute vid focusing on all the mistakes in First Contact alone.
Most of these are valid, but I’m sure some of them could have some very reasonable explanations.
The Nitpickers guide to The Next Generation is a priceless gold mine of this stuff and a damn good read too! The only problem is you find yourself looking out for the stuff-ups when watching the ep (like Geordies phaser falling into the Armus’ black goop in ‘Skin of Evil). Though I never gave a damn about the minute details. Stuff like deck numbers etc, who cares unless it prevents the story from making sense? Continuity for this film is about the look, feel and style of the movie, that is VERY important. Kirk and Co are prolific, iconic even you cant screw with that. Even non-fans and casual viewers have heard of the original Trek and generally know what the looks/style of the show. ‘Beam me up, Scotty’ while not ever uttered is probably THE biggest catchphrase associated with the series (and some people say Scotty is only a minor/secondary character…ha!!!)
So everyone will notice if you make BIG mistakes in continuity like casting inappropriate actors, changing characters personalities or changing the design of the ship. Not to mention making it super ‘cool’, voilent or sexual. All of the things expected from a blockbuster not aimed at 8 and under range. Though I certainly dont want it to look like its been lifted out of the 1960’s!!!!!
Pitiful. The spin-offs sure were slipshod.
Classic TOS Trek never made these kinds of errors.
Scott B. out.
P.S. I’m kidding, in case you were wondering. Fun montage!
A good video, pretty funny with the decks on the Enterprise-E… I want more of these….
More More More !!!
That last thing with Data… Damn., that’s cold. Ice cold. But DAMN funny.
#5: The STVI Kirk line never really bugged me. If you listen to the entire exchange again. He & McCoy were talking about Chameloids, a specific RACE of shapeshifters, not shapeshifters as a general concept. Kirk’s line “Shapeshifters” is just there to clarify what Chameloids do.
Great video – it’s true, the Next Gen movies were a minefield of continuity errors. There should be a guy for that – or, if there is one, JJ needs to hire a different one.
Personally, I think the continuity errors in Nemisis were just too much. One of the many reasons why I try to pretend it never happened. A few continuity errors won’t screw up a good plot. A bunch of continuity errors will screw up even the best plot – what’s the point of a whole history being established if you ignore it?
Great video! I can see now why they want to start from scratch.
Fascinating. I hope the STIX writers are paying attention.
That was outstanding, and of course, the big part–the first clip about Kirk–is absolutely conclusive proof that they can bring in older Kirk and NOT violate canon.
If you look through the video (i just went thru it once) a majority of the continuity errors come in the movies (save the deck thing in First Contact, which could simply be a line flub), that is the movies violating set history or precedent.
I’m sure they were aware of these continuity mistakes (Kirk’s death being the most agregious one). But the producers try to aim the movies at a wider audience than just the loyal fan base. They don’t mind violating continuity for the sake of drama (Capt Ahab Picard) or plot expediency. Otherwise they would have to sit and explain to the casual trek watcher why they can’t do such-and-such because in episode 214 Data went yadda yadda yadda
The scene from Nemesis with Guinan telling Worf that Roluman Ale is illegal is also a flub. I remember the ban on Romulan Ale being lifted during the Federation/Romulan alliance against the Dominion on DS9 years before.
“I hope the STIX writers are paying attention.”
of course some people will immediately tell you that continuity isn’t important and its the fans’ fault for paying attention in the first place. Like the battered spouse getting blamed for being abused.
Romulan ale became legal in the DS9 episode “In the Pale Moonlight”.
“I hope the STIX writers are paying attention.”
they werent…thats the point
;-)
#26: Oops. I meant STXI.
Nitpickers Guide to the Nitpicking Video.
In the theatrical release of Nemesis, Wesley isn’t spoken- to (just in the DVD out-takes) So as far as Canon goes, he’s still out there being his whiny rebel self.
Oh, and if Wil Wheateon is reading this… Man it’s not you’re fault.. you were just written that way.
Great Vid.
Thanks to You Tube creator/uploader.
Wow, and all from the last 4 movies. Love these vids…another good one (they played this at the Chicago Creation con, and I’m pretty sure some of the other Creation cons) is “Paradox”:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fLIVbm0lm80
The best part of this vid (the aforementioned youtube one), IMO is at around 1:15, when we see a lengthy list of “the hardest substances known to man.”
So… in some alternate universe Trek never makes continuity gaffs? I really must get to work on my tachyon-inverter and check it out.
Truly by the CHEST!
#29 — that video’s pretty funny too. Loved the “increased by an order of ONE TO THE FOURTH POWER” bit.
I recently talked about this with someone else. Before this article was posted.
And a man once said “Allow me the consistency of my inconsistencies”
That man was Gene Roddenberry, The Great Bird of the Galaxy.
Why should we let canon or even scientific accuracy effect a great story?
Or have we as a fanbase become nitpickers and naysayers of a franchise we love most. And become more involved in the fact than the story.
Isn’t that what Trek ultimately is about the story?
The Trek Universe is so simple, how COULD anyone make mistakes?
#22 Tom…. how is Kirk’s death a continuity mistake? If he dies and then had shown up again later with no explaination, THAT would be a continuity mistake. If you are referring to Scotty’s line after being rescued from the transporter… even our favorite engineer can have a momentary brain dysfunction. And if you really insist he couldn’t have made such a mistake… you can blame Berman’s crew AND Shatner.
Anything touched or influenced by B and B would be automatically suspect. “De-evolve”, sheesh.
There is a difference between honest continuity mistakes and blatant disregard, or even disdain, of what has occurred and/or things that are known.
It can be fun to try to explain little inconsistencies, and link together things not previously linked (Carol Marcus – that blond lab technician Kirk almost married). Big inconsistencies, like Voyager and Star Trek Nemesis, are just a pain, and takes the fun out of it, unless you just don’t count them at all.
“That was outstanding, and of course, the big part–the first clip about Kirk–is absolutely conclusive proof that they can bring in older Kirk and NOT violate canon.”
Kirok, you’d take a documentary about Swahili-speaking jai-alai players as “absolutely conclusive proof” of the same thing. :-)
thanks for the link Etha
…and Kirok…this is the last time you will try and derail a totally non related topic into your Shatner obsession
And the reason I put up the video was not to attack the previous movies, but to show that the whole franchise is rife with these so called canon violataions, but as pointed out above they can all be explained away with some creative ‘fanon’
I like consistency as much as the next guy…but there is a limit and the story is king. As seen above, if the littlest seeming ‘violation’ ruins an episode or movie for you, then you may miss out on a lot of good Trek
#34 – Kirk’s death wasn’t necessarily a continuity error; it was just a mistake.
#38 – In other words, “Get a life. It’s just a TV show.” LOL
#39 cd, yes it was. But not a mistake that can be completely blamed on B&B. A certain someone had to act out the scene. I had a real problem that he sold out the character.
My opinion.
#40 …agreed
I responded with a simple comment in response to someone else who responded to a comment I didn’t even make.
There was no attack on anyone, and it was a topic of discussion flat out related to the video. If we can’t talk about the clip directly related to the video, then why are you only removing one of my posts? I guess your board, your rules, but I didn’t do anything wrong here.
#22 –
It’s interesting what you say about the movies being marketed towards a wider audience and therefore having more continuity violations (although some TV episodes definitely did too). I remember watching TWoK with a friend who had never seen Trek, and just trying to give her the background on some of the things in that movie (Space Seed, mind melds, etc) took up a good half an hour extra while we were watching it. It would have been really difficult if the movie had really been geared towards Trekkies. (Then again, I was probably getting caught up in my enthusiasm and going into a lot of unnecessary detail.)
Still, I like to think that it would be possible not to violate canon/continuity too much and still have the movie be accessible to non-fans. For that matter, I’m not sure that some of these canon/continuity violations really helped these movies be more accessible to non-fans in the first place — I actually saw all the movies before I saw the TV series, and then rewatched them after seeing the TV series, and they made a LOT more sense the second time through.
I was also thinking about the whole canon thing and realized that aside from some people who want to stick completely to existing canon (which at this point seems pretty impossible given all the internal contradictions), people are very different in what pieces of canon they hold sacred (sure, the change of the portrayal of the Romulans from TOS to TNG bugged the hell out of me, but I know a lot of people could care less), so even if you keep one person happy, you’ll likely upset another.
I don’t envy the writers their jobs…well, actually, I do, but it’s going to be hard. You don’t want to be so chained down to canon to the detriment of the story (imagine a 15 minute monolog on how James R Kirk became James T Kirk — an extreme example), but at the same time you don’t want to discard it so far that it no longer feels like you are in the Trek universe, and every individual fan defines that universe slightly differently…
At some point this ramble lost its direction entirely, so I’m going to shut up now.
The Scotty line about Jim Kirk coming in the Enterprise could be conveniently used to justify a later plotline that brings him back. :D
I enjoy these videos, they are fun. But let’s not lose any sleep over the little nitpicky things….
Oh you know which one has always bothered me, every single time?
In The Undiscovered Country, it’s established that Klingons have “Pepto Bismol” pink blood, and yet every single time they’ve referred back to this, such as Worf’s bloodied lip, the blood bonding with the Klingon blade and Worf’s surgery, for that matter – it’s always good, old fashioned red – blooded (American) Terran blood.
Just that’s always really stuck in my side…
Cameron
You don’t need a long explanation on James R. Kirk becoming James T. Kirk.
I think that’s actually the perfect canon error for these guys to kill off given the time period of this movie.
I sincerely hope Gary Mitchell is a character. If he is, then all they need to do is have some banter between Mitchell and Kirk, where they make the R a private joke.
It worked in the books. Done right, it would get a chuckle from those who know what that is, and those that don’t.
“And the reason I put up the video was not to attack the previous movies, but to show that the whole franchise is rife with these so called canon violataions, but as pointed out above they can all be explained away with some creative ‘fanon’
I like consistency as much as the next guy…but there is a limit and the story is king. As seen above, if the littlest seeming ‘violation’ ruins an episode or movie for you, then you may miss out on a lot of good Trek”
Gee, thanks for teaching us the error of our small minded ways with your editorializing. Consistency doesn’t matter, as long as Anthony likes it. The story is king!
Nice TNG bashing the idiots on this site must’ve been creaming while watching that Video True they screwed up with the decks in FC however it would’ve been a very stressful time so you could forgive Picard for stuffing that up, also the Fully recovered from my experience part was not a ‘mistake’ because you never fully recover from an experience like that ask any rape victim.
And Deck 29 in Nemesis its not implausable to assume they extended or did some renovations on the Enterprise between Insurrection and Nemesis I mean just look at how different some parts of the ship looked.
Also I’m sure Picard meant Data doesn’t need to breathe. If the author of the video had let the rest of the scene with Bashir play out you’d see Data explaining what the breathin system is for.
And the Never kissed you with a beard before LOL nice goof there and the trilithium one as well haha
Oh yeah and Scotty would’ve been VERY disoriented after being pulled out of a transporter buffer after 75 years.
And Data being bulletproof could’ve been a modification he made later on in his life.
We can also assume that Picard had the rest of his possesions beamed up by the Farragut or any other ship that came to retrieve the Enterprises Crew.
The Emotion chip changing size a goof to be sure. But Data would’ve worked on that after Generations when it came to deactivating it and un fusing it from his Neural Net.
Cochranes ship wouldn’t have been able to leave Sector 001.
The Damage to the Borg ship in Q Who you must remember the Borg hadn’t adapted to Federation technology then and in First contact ALOT of new Technology had been developed by Starfleet.
Oh and money doesn’t exist in or for the Federation.
Also the events in Year of Hell never happened so Janeway risked no court marshall.
Whose to say Worf stopped being Ambassoder he was on the Enterprise for the wedding.
Wesley well who cares about him lol.
TNG was actually very good with continuity on TV. But clearly, the movies were not.
As for Scotty, he was lucid enough to instantly try to help his friend Franklin. This disoriented explanation is no more likely than any other, more popular one.
#45 – I explain away the Pepto-Bismol blood by thinking that there was some added gas in the atmosphere of the ship that reacted with the blood turning it pink, something that is no longer used in Klingon ships.
Data’s emotion chip size change could be like a current micro SD card in an SD card adapter.
Federation credits: is that money, or isn’t it?
As far as the contents of the crashed Enterprise. That planet was inhabited, and to avoid a prime directive violation, the Enterprise had to stripped bare or probably removed altogether later. They were just getting personnel and bare minimum out. The Corps of Engineers recovery / salvage ships would come in later and clean up. >;>)
See, this is fun!
As far as the trilithium: one is trilithium and the other is TRI-lithium. Completely different.
The TNG episode with Scotty was filmed before Generations, so if you’re really anal retentive about his kind of thing, it establishes canon and it’s Kirk’s death in Generations for which you need an explanation. You could suggest it was kept secret – fine then section 31 would have to make all those reporters disappear….
Seriously thought canon is important and for a movie that has month even years sometime to massage the script there is no excuse avoidable continuity errors.
RE: #46. StillKirok – October 16, 2007
You don’t need a long explanation on James R. Kirk becoming James T. Kirk…….I think that’s actually the perfect canon error for these guys to kill off given the time period of this movie…….I sincerely hope Gary Mitchell is a character. If he is, then all they need to do is have some banter between Mitchell and Kirk, where they make the R a private joke…….It worked in the books. Done right, it would get a chuckle from those who know what that is, and those that don’t.
I always presumed that the “R” was a computer-deception ploy Kirk used to reprogram the Kobiashi-Maru scenario simulation, as using his real name would have tipped off [the machine and/or the programmers] as to who was tampering with the program “From the Inside” of the program itself (the data stream, or whatever duotronics were in use at the time).
Yeah, that may sound lame on the surface, and I haven’t read any of the novels where that might have been “explained away,” but what might computer-control function enable Kirk to “get inside the machine” without being caught? Or setting off some sort of alarm? Maybe, just maybe, there was general maintenance being done (to clean up another cadet crew’s play-out of the scenario), and he used that — with Gary Mitchell’s help (he might have diverted the class instructors while Kirk was performing his re-programming) — to CHEAT on the test!
And in the end (WNMHGB), that was Gary’s last testament to Kirk’s so-called creative thinking, placing the “R” on the tombstone, instead of “T” — as his middle name actually is, just to remind Kirk that he wasn’t fallable, either—after those comments about Gary not having the compassion that a “God” should have. (As for the re-programming of the simulation, James T. Kirk would be the FIRST to say, “There’s gotta be a way…..”)
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These are great!
In the second video, I just dont get the scenes when Scotty is walking unto the holodeck simulation of TOS bridge. Did I miss something?
As far as how any of this applies to the new movie: I think if they are even bothering to have Nimoy in it, they are tying it to existing continuity, IMO.
If they want to do a remake or reboot or reimaging or refreshing or re-whatever, it would be much easier without having Nimoy as the older Spock. I would love to see them stick to canon as much as possible, especially in the technical aspect: i.e. the ship etc. looks the same. Now, that does not mean you can’t tweak it. Again, I refer to the little changes made in TOS-R. For example, the increased detail on the Fesarius, the chronometer tweak, etc. Play with the details between TV resolution and movie resolution.
As far as characters, we have seen different actors play the same character at different ages in varoius dramatic presentations. To be honest, I have an issue with it, since in most cases, the younger and older look nothing alike ( for example, young and old Rose in Titanic, didn’t buy it for a second.)
They need to do what is always required, not push the suspension of disbelief so hard that you are pulled right out of the story. Star Trek fans, traditionally, have been much pickier than most. Is that fair to Abrams and crew? Maybe not, but they knew what they were getting into (or should have). >;>}
Many of the “supposed” paradoxes are not “paradoxes” at all. If you were to watch the whole episode you would see that there is an explanation, for example: The Enterprise E does in fact have 24 decks. However, because there is a secondary hull, and a large shuttlebay several deck numbers are skipped.
As for Scotty in ‘Relics’, he was clearly suffering from transporter fatigue when he mistakenly guessed that Jim Kirk came to rescue him when in fact Kirk was “dead”. After being stuck in a transporter loop for over seventy years I’d be a little confused myself.
I saw Captain Kirk in ‘The enemy within’, I believe see a reflection of his evil self with scratches on the opposite side in wich they were inflicted. Kirk was standing in a mirror. On and on you will see that most paradoxes are simply misinterpretations. That being said there is a fair amount of clips that DO show writers gliches. But paradoxes? Think of this: In ‘Insurrection’ when Data exhibited the ability to float, and swim, when in previous episodes he could not. Would it be safe to assume that Data recieved some upgrades over the years that allowed for this?
And would you agree that Data regularly emulated humans, just as he was doing when in the presense of Doctor Bashir he was observed to be “breathing”?
Lets have an open mind.
See, although fun to speculate about, the explanations for James R/James T Kirk never worked for me because it seemed like it was so obviously a thrown-in attempt to correct Paramount’s mistake (rather than being an interesting plot point built upon a seemingly inconsistent scene). But that’s just me.
Re #53 — If Kirk programmed the wrong name into the KM test, that might preclude him getting caught by the system, but wouldn’t it also preclude the system recognizing him and therefore be a totally useless strategy? If the Klingon’s are afraid of THE James R Kirk, I don’t see why they would care if they were faced with James T. Kirk.
Re #50 — The wikipedia article on federation credits is quite enlightening. Memory @ on money and latinum are decent, too. :)
I hope this quiets down so many fans worried about canon. There have been so many continuity errors throughout the series and films. I’m sure Abrams and crew will do the absolute best they can to keep it from happening, but now the real questions is…..with all the errors, what is truly canon and what truly isn’t? Which mistakes do we use and which do we truly call mistakes?
OKAY, NO. The whole point of the destruction of the Borg cube in First Contact is that, by having been assimilated, Picard knows the “Achilles Heel” of the cube, unlike in previous encounters…. It’s just plain DUMB to include that.
But, ugh, the whole Troi-Riker romance shenanigans in IX and X are deplorable. There’s no excuse for that crap, it deserves the ridicule.
Continuity Smontinuity, as long as there are no visible boom mikes or extras looking at the camera, the new film will be OK. Just don’t have dialog any 17 year old could write. And make it worthy of multiple viewings.
I like the spirit of these videos, and a lot of it is quite funny, but about half of it is not fair: The fact is, things change over time, different conditions exist in different places, and people sometimes do not speak literally. Those kinds of things are not paradoxical or errors in continuity.
Data’s emotion ship: The whole point is that there is an *evolution* of his relationship to it. That line of change is not contradictory with itself over time, it simply shows evidence of change.
Money in the 24th century: It’s well established that the money-free system is *within* the Earth system. As soon as you deal with outsiders, like the Vulcan trader, or the non-Starfleet folk on DS9, money comes back on the scene. And Janeway is speaking metaphorically about a “high price to pay”.
These cases, and others, show that the authors of these videos just weren’t paying full attention to the whole picture, in their eagerness to single out perceived errors.
One good catch, though: Riker’s commentary about “Lake Armstrong” and all that on the Moon is truly silly. It’s more likely that the Moon will always be considered off-limits for major development and terraforming — a few small bases perhaps, and much of it under the surface. The scenes showing the Enterprise-D with a pristine Moon in the background is far more plausible.
In essence, this article is a preemptive strike against those Trekkers who might protest how J. J. Abrams’ new film diverges from established lore.
No matter what Abrams does, this site will support him.
And y’all better not disagree… or else.
#62 – or else what? We won’t pay to go see it? >;>}
Feist as Number One / Christine Chapel.
>;>}
I love this video! Great Job!!!!
#54 – “In the second video, I just dont get the scenes when Scotty is walking unto the holodeck simulation of TOS bridge. Did I miss something?”
I don’t think you missed anything. Never gave that much thought either myself. I can only guess whoever put the clips together might have been trying to point that the bridge on Enterpise NCC-1701 (no bloody A, B, C, OR D) had a single turbolift entrance.
In other words, Scotty “entered” the holodeck bridge via a “non-existent entrance” to the bridge.
Then again, that’s only a guess.. I don’t care – I enjoyed the banter between Scotty and the computer way too much before he entered the holodeck. Fun stuff!! :-)
#12..(in the voice of Comic Book Shop guy from the Simpsons)
LOL! I think I noticed each of the mistakes on viewing the movies the first time – which is why I grew to hate B&B’s garbage so much.
You could have made an 8 minute vid focusing on all the mistakes in First Contact alone.
- Just an awesome vid… Just goes to show how Continuity HOGS give Trek a bad name. Those people just want to think they know everything and anything about the show and ruin it for everyone else because it isn’t exactly how they remember. Thank you for posting the vid.
I hope that the implication of having posted those videos is not to set up the lowest common denominator as being satisfactory.
Some of the inconsistencies featured in those mash-ups did detract from the quality of the films or episodes in which they appeared, and good product doesn’t tend to come from lowered bars and lazy minds.
I believe my favorite was 1 to the 4th power…how did I miss that after seeing the show so many times! Very funny…Great couple of videos.
I got to where I enjoyed noticing the goofs (when new Star Trek was still on). And honestly, if we didn’t enjoy finding these, we wouldn’t be making so much fun of it.
Star Trek XI is destined to have goofs, but to enjoy them, it must be of goofs that are not deliberate, otherwise people really will start to vent.
TOS can be forgiven though…
I mean I’m sure none of the writers back then thought TREK would still be going strong almost half a century later…
Or did they…….dun…dun…dun…duunnnnnnn!….
I think most fans are concerned about getting a quality product when they pay and arm and a leg for a movie featuring their favorite characters. With hundreds of episodes, each trying to be a part of Star Trek, you’d think they’d have someone dedicated to keeping it all straight, knowing how much the fans love and care about a good story, and know when the lore has been sacrificed for cheap palor tricks to get more people in the seats. Die hard fans are louder and more vocal than your matinee watcher with 2.5 kids anyway. They should hire a fan as a consultant to sift through the flotsum.
Nemesis was bad all the way around, totally misused the actors, the script, even the catering tray on set.
As for Scotty’s comment on the Jenolan… you know how the scots are with their sayin’s Laddy; Riker mentions the Enterprise, Scotty gets excited and mentions Kirk back from the dead for the sake of exaggeration, Aye.
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As for the James R. Kirk issue, why didn’t they fix it up with the CGI remastered versions?
All big series have mistakes. Some see mistakes that are not there. Like in Star Wars, Princess Leia mentions remembering her mother but that she died when she very young. People think she must be talking about her birth mother, when she could have been talking about her adoptive mother.
Same holds true with Kirk. Maybe his full name is James Robert Tiberious Kirk?
But the thing is not that there were mistakes throughout the fourty years of Star Trek in the past. It’s about tring to avoid them in the future and possibly even explaining some of the ones in the past away.
And it also is one thing to say ale is illegal when it was legalized, and it’s quite another when you say, have Bones be biger and tougher than he actually was. If this is gonna be a reimagined version of Trek–fine–just say so
The “Klingons don’t take prisoners.” line, & then them taking Saavik, David, & Young Spock hostage in TSFS, always bugged me the most.
I can forgive most of the others, but those two movies are so closely connected, so it stands out like a sore thumb, IMHO.
I noticed most of those the first time around, though I have to admit that the Riker beard thing somehow got by me. At any rate, as a writer myself, the only thing this proves is something I already knew, which is that writers aren’t perfect, no matter how hard they try. Things will get past them. I’d actually be more interested in knowing how many continuity mistakes were caught before they were committed to film. I’d imagine that there’s a lot.
I don’t consider the borg cube to be a goof though. As someone pointed out, Picard having been a borg, knew a bit about their ships. They even ask him if he’s sure about the points he told them to fire on because there was nothing remarkable about those locations. In other words, Picard definitely knew something nobody else did about the weaknesses of that borg ship.
what is missing from the videos is the plaques from all of the ships named enterprise…Star Trek Enterprise threw a giant monkey wrench into that…I tells yas…..
#75
Klingons don’t take prisoners, but Saavik and David had information they needed. That wasn’t a simple taking of prisoners to be traded back at some later date, but rather the taking of prisoners to give them an advantage in securing Genesis for the Klingon Empire. I’d imagine that they were willing to bend a few rules in order to accomplish their mission. In the end, they ended up killing the one person who could have given them what they wanted, so it isn’t as though the statement from TWOK was completely untrue.
Trek’s been full of goofs since TOS.
Many of these in these videos are explainable, some of them are not.
And TNG movie bashers will always see those mistakes as unforgivable, but anything in the TOS movies is perfecty fine.
Where’s the Enterprise with a hundred decks in STVI?
Yes on the Klingon blood, all blood seen prior to STVI was red. This includesTOS and the TNG episodes filmed prior to STVI and everything afterward was red. The real reason, the amount of blood seen anywhere else was not a vast amount. When they wanted to show a lot of blood in STVI they realized that it might be a bit too gruesom, so they decided to go with a more alien color.
On Data’s aging- during the first few season of TNG it was believed that the show would go on for a few season and that would be it. Data was not supposed to age. Then it was decided to mention that he will age during the series episode Inheritance to cope with the fact that Brent Spiner was aging.
Bald Picard- Stuart Baird’s dumb idea, not B and B.
RE: James R. Kirk
R for Resurrection – After all, Gene Roddenberry was a VERY visionary man…
“Like in Star Wars, Princess Leia mentions remembering her mother but that she died when she very young. People think she must be talking about her birth mother, when she could have been talking about her adoptive mother”
-NotBob – October 16, 2007
Star Wars is all over the place…
George Lucas is like a coach who watches his receivers fumble a ball all over the place, only to land in one guys arms, who then runs it in for a touchdown, at which point the coach says, “thats just like I planned it!”
I mean Obi-Wan was just 57 in A New Hope! Not young, but sheeesh…I guess life as a hermit is rougher than one imagines….
And Darth Vaders mask…. One piece in Empire, three pieces in ROTJ and ROTS….
Obi-Wan has to learn how to appear as a ghost from Qui-Gon in ROTS, yet how did Darth Vader knows this trick as he also appeared as a ghost at the end of Jedi? It took 20 years to build the first Death Star, but only 3 to build the second????
I could go on, lol………
But Star Trek at least had the excuse of limited time (on TV anyway) and multiple writers over multiple decades….
Trek’s mistakes are more comical than irritating…..
#53–The R as something used for the Kobayshi Maru? That’s a bit more involved of an explanation than I was thinking of, but it would certainly work. The key is that if they choose to do that, then to make it funny and quick. Something that those who get it and those who don’t get it, will laugh at.
And if you want to read a great book on the Kobayashi Maru, go out and get Kobayshi Maru, by Julia Ecklar.
It not only tells how Kirk beat the test (an idea borrowed for the game Starfleet Academy), it has Chekov, Sulu, and Scotty’s turns as well. As good as Kirk’s solution was, Scotty was laugh out loud funny.
#56–no evidence of that with Scotty. Again, presence of mind to instantly try to help Franklin. He was perfectly lucid, and of course, no one corrected him. It is just as likely that what he was saying was absolutely true and there’s a story we haven’t seen yet.
#62–I don’t see this as a pre-emptive strike at all. Even though Abrams has a lot more continuity to deal with, he also has a lot less in that he is dealing with TOS at the beginning. He should focus most of his efforts on those characters, which I’m sure he’s doing.
#74–Seriously–they are doing remastered versions–change the dang R to a T.
#75–Two simple explanations. 1. Kruge was a renegade and not exactly following orders and governmental policy. 2. Kirk was trying to intimidate Saavik at the time and exaggerated.
Scottys memory was probably a bit mixed up having spent all that time trapped in a transporter beam.
Besides the movies, the only Trek I own are the Fan Collectives, and I found continuity problems just watching them. In the Q collection, a member of the Enterprise crew is revealed to be a child of two Qs. Later in Voyager, Q says that Qs haven’t procreated in so long that they’ve forgotten how. And in the Borg collection, there are several episodes about Hugh and his individuality, but then in Voyager the Queen talks to Seven like she is the only Borg to ever gain individuality.
I always saw the hundred decks in STV as an intentional goof. Wasn’t the TNG Scotty episode filmed before Generations? So the goof was having Scotty in that film. The Zefram Cochran characters and how they’re so different from TOS and FC gets me upset at FC.
#85. “Wasn’t the TNG Scotty episode filmed before Generations? So the goof was having Scotty in that film. ”
WTF???
hmm…sounds like someone is making preemptive excuses for Abrams and company. “All the other Trek movies and TV series’ had continuity errors so the new film is allowed to as well.” Just because the others made slip ups that shouldnt make it accemptible.
towars the end of the 1st clip there’s a scene with Riker kicking something down a shaft……where is that from?
#86. Just pointing out that the continuity error is in Generations and not the TNG series. You could explain what your WTF??? means instead of just throwing it there.
I just took it that Scotty was simply waxing nostalgic when he made the comment about Kirk bringing the Enterprise out of mothballs.
#87 “that shouldn’t make it accemptible”
Wow, THERE’S a new word for the lexicon of our Trek universe!!
#88 – that’s a scene from Nemesis, when he’s kicking the scary alien guy off the ladder.
And don’t forget Cochrane metastasized from a gentleman in the original series into a shiftless drunk in first contact. Just so they could say, See, the inventor of the warp drive wasn’t just a regular boring scientist! No, he was an idiot drunk! Cool, huh? Aren’t we clever writers? We sure turned the tables on you guys, huh?
Yeah, who needs dignity when you’re the inventor of the warp drive? Heck, if the guy was a big drinker and came up with that, they should have had him smoke a ‘j’ and he could’ve invented trans warp drive right from the get-go!
Given that Braga allegedly originally wanted Cochrane to be a woman and possible love interest for Picard, a drunk doesn’t sound so bad.
I don’t think Braga even watched the episode. Here’s a quote on it from him: “then the third element to the film to come along was the idea of the great Zephram Cochran, who I think was depicted in TOS.” I think?
Source: http://trekweb.com/stories.php?aid=40d005afeb846&cid=40d71aaa8772b&tid=40d06bac288e5&threadView=2&clickReply=1
With so many episodes over so many series there is always going to be a few inconsistencies.
I can live with that!
I generally don’t care for inconsistencies myself although I don’t really agree with the one about the Borg cube as Picard knew what weaknesses it had whereas they didn’t have that knowledge in the Best of Both Worlds. Anyways, it’s a great little video, the one about the decks on First Contact was great, I hadn’t paid attention to that before. It’s one thing if there are inconsistencies between episodes, something different if it’s in the same episode.
I only saw Nemesis recently, and it seemed perfectly fine (and fun!).
I have seen many complaints about Nemesis — most of them right here on this forum!, but I am curious. Have people much complained about the following continuity error: Data is killed in the film, whereas in the TNG “all good things” Data is shown to have survived several more decades to become a professor at Cambridge?
That’s a wonderful video. There’s always one thing that bugged me about TNG, and this isn’t a continuity bug at all. Whenever the Enterprise was hailed, Worf would tell Cap. Picard that they being hailed and then Picard would take a few moments to gather thoughts or ask questions to the crew before responding to the hail.
However whenever the Enterprise hailed another ship, Worf would wait about a half-second before telling the Captain, ‘no response.’
I know that’s a silly thing.
97. neal
“Always in motion, the future is.”
Yeah, its the wrong franchise, but the sentiment is the same. Q let Picard see one possible future, but since it was Q, who knows? Besides, if you’re going to point out Data dying in Nemesis but being in All Good Things, what about Riker still using the Enterprise-D in that future?
Well, that’s a different timeline and one that clearly didn’t come about. In AGT, the Enterprise-D didn’t get destroyed either.
So that’s not really a continuity issue.
Of course, Data simply downloaded himself into his brother, so it wouldn’t matter anyway.
97 and 99
As soon as Picard told the rest of the crew the possible future that he witnessed, that timeline ceased to exist and a new one was formed.
101
Exactly, but with Q around who allows Picard to experience his own past to see another possible future (”Tapestry”), who knows if this just wasn’t another experiment like that?
#73 Magic_Al–”Spock subscribes to Hard Substance News magazine. New discoveries weekly!”
Easily the funniest line on this thread. I laughed out loud, Al!
Star Trek has been on for 40 years. I have been alive for 42 years. I seem to recall making a few mistakes myself in this period of time. Probably in this post alone I have made several hundred. I hope I don’t P off the rest of the Christians by also pointing out that there have been errors found in the Bible. If that isn’t an error in “canon” I don’t know what one is. BTW, don’t come after me for that, go to Sunday school or study theology and edify yourself. The point here is that even with mistakes, we can look past that and see the greater good in religious texts, people, and yes, TV shows. It’s how you wish to accept certain aspects of these things that can define your enjoyment, faith, love and friendship for people and things in the world around you. Some things you can live with, some not so much. TV shows, religion, and people don’t make you happy. That is the responsibility of the individual.
Just don’t change the friggin’ Enterprise or you will make me unhappy.
* Why did the interior of the Enterprise D get darker and less streamlined in the movies than the series? It was like it was turning into a submarine or something.
* Why did the Borg suddenly need a leader? A queen? Was the idea of a collective too sophisticated for the writers to handle? The same thing happened on Earth: Final Conflict when the Taelons suddenly needed a leader.
* Why do the Borg need insignia?
* Why wasn’t Seven of Nine “Seventh of Nine”?
* How could they allow allow a technology such as the holodeck to be in such widespread use if it had such crappy safety mechanisms?
* Why couldn’t you lock the holodeck’s door? Oh wait..that happens automatically when the safety mechanisms break…usually.
* How could Deanna Troi become a bridge officer simply by running some holodeck simulations and passing some tests? If that were true, Data should have had his own command by then, if not being the commander of Starfleet. That *really* bugs me.
#98 GaryP, your comment about the hailing is something that’s always bothered me. They do give them like half a second to respond. So impatient those Klingons!
98, 105:
I always thought: a basic transponder signal is sent (hailed), and the response is a return transponder signal, which could be either deliberate or automated (”Set hail response to automatic, Lt. Uhura”, and then whoever hails you gets a rapid automatic “hi” response, sort of like when I turn on my auto-vacation notice in email). And then after that electronic hail-reply, a verbal communique might follow at a more leisurely pace.
If they mess with the uniforms, the ships or the basic designs, I won’t watch it.
I don’t care if there have been mistakes in the past. That doesn’t mean the canon is irrelevant and Abrams have a license to change whatever they want.
Many of those errors are just minor oversights or can even be explained. But deliberately changing uniforms or the ship design when major things like these have been respected time and again for decades is a totally different thing.
We are talking about 40 years of canon, mistakes are bound to happen.
I also hate how friends of canon are ridiculed and labeled as nitpickers and killjoys. It’s outrageous.
If you don’t like Star Trek as it is, and if you are so uncreative you can’t work with the canon,JJ, go make Alias-The Next Generation or whatever.
If this is a reboot, It’s a travesty and needs to BOMB.
#103 THX “go……edify yourself!”
I know I’m paraphrasing what you said, but I LOVE the inherent message! May I steal it?
The next time I’m in the middle of a heated debate, I shall simply look my opponent straight in the eye and say, “GO EDIFY YOURSELF!!”
Much better than the standard, “Go forth and multiply!”
I LOVE IT, I TELLSYA!!
74. NotBob -
– As for the James R. Kirk issue, why didn’t they fix it up with the CGI remastered versions? –
James R. Kirk was a variant of Capt. James T. Kirk, from the Alternate Middle Initial Parallel Universe, whom Gary Mitchell had been expecting to make a last-minute appearance, as the doppelgänger of James T. Kirk, in order to befuddle the Überman, Mitchell, and thereby aid his parallel universe twin, T, to whom R felt indebted for a favor done him by T during a scheme that the two Kirks used to engage in and affectionately referred to as “the double date.”
What’s mine is yours, Ballzy. If it’s mental midgets you’re dealing with, make sure to hand them a pocket dictionary with which to expedite the process.
Why oh why didn’t CBS digital change the R to a T in the remastered version? Perhaps it will get done in 40 years for the holographic re-remastered version. At that point they will be making all new TOS episodes with a digital original cast indistinguishable in looks and voice from the original actors.
Surely Spock will save Kirk out of the Nexus somehow, and thusly Kirk will be alive when Scotty sails off into retirement, thusly making Scott’s line in Relics make sense. It’s a beautiful thing. Um, is thusly a word?
111. Kirk: The Jack Bauer Of Space –
– Why oh why didn’t CBS digital change the R to a T in the remastered version? –
That would have been acceptable to me, but perhaps not to some of the stricter purists who are already apoplectic about TOS being altered at all.
I can understand how one would not want the actual content of the episodes altered, even when that content constitutes an oversight or mistake.
– Um, is thusly a word? –
It’s a word in the same way that “ginormous” is a word.
#109 — Lol. Wasn’t there actually an explanation of the entire episode WNMHGB dealing with it being in a parallel universe?
#112
Actually, according to OED “thusly” is colloquial whereas “ginormous” is slang. I’m pretty sure that colloquial=slang from a century ago, though :).
I don’t have a problem with minor changes being made, as long as they are made with respect for what has come before. Stupid changes, changes made out of ignorance or out of contempt for the fans or the show, are a completely different matter. Here’s what I’m afraid of:
http://www.galacticast.com/2007/10/15/starfleet-academy/
113. Etha Williams –
– Wasn’t there actually an explanation of the entire episode WNMHGB dealing with it being in a parallel universe? –
Where?
The Enemy Within face scratches: The Director filmed the evil Shatner the wrong way round, so the shots didnt match up with both Kirk’s facing the same way instead of facing each other…..
He flipped it to correct (notice the Viewscreen (which isnt on, and is WHITE) is on the right hand side of the shot and should, in context, be on the left.
HAHAHA! This surely settles it, screw canon i say and bring on the reboot Mr Abrams. I want a new cool Enterprise design, new cool customs for XI movie. I don’t want exact copy of old 1960s TOS designs in XI movie. Let have something new respective.
#114
That’s funny! Why do I feel that it was closer to the truth than a parody?
#118: I’m willing to give JJ and his new cast the benefit of the doubt, but I must admit I’m nervous. (Although the odds of Wesley Crusher being in the film are thankfully nil.)
FREE WESLEY!!!
114. Commodore Z –
That was pretty damned funny. Good find.
#115 –
A novel by Peter Davis called Q-Squared. I haven’t actually read it, I just remembered seeing the explanation on Memory @ (yeah, I read memory @ & wikipedia articles about star trek episodes in my spare time…)
Side note to me #123 — I just realized that for months, I have been equating the “@” sign with alpha, for no apparent reason. Weird.
At least you haven’t been writing it “Mammary @.”
thouroughly enjoyed the Mash Up what happened to the Star Trek bible that all writers were supposed to consult before writing it and filming it ?
How many decks are on the Enterprise?
Overall, a nice vid, but some of the “paradoxes” I find to be complete BS, some I didn’t undestand, and some can be explained.
Maybe Vulcan itself IS a moon of a bigger planet. and the other moons we see are also moons of the bigger planet and not of Vulcan.
therefore Vulcan has no moons even though you see ‘moons’ in the sky
That’s true, there are many planets in the Vulcan star system.
Also, a lot of those paradoxes can be explained pretty easily. Like Scotty “forgetting” that Captain Kirk was dead…..I mean, he was stuck in the Transporter for a long time….he could’ve had a mild case of Transporter Physcosis.
Some are kindof funny, but lets not forget that the people who created, wrote, directed, produced etc… Star Trek are human.
#104 — The Borg Queen was more of an avatar of the Borg than an actual leader… a sort of physical incarnation of a specific function, yes, but not with political power, like a leader. I grant you, it is still a veiled plot device, but perhaps not quite to the level of being a mistake or paradox.
I disagree with the one mess up that showed Shelby and Riker talking about how ineffective their weapons were, but to the battle scene in First Contact where Federation ships including the Enterprise were making significant damage with their shots. It makes perfect sense to me that within the intervening years of BoBW and First Contact, that the Federation would invest in many resources to improve their weapons in anticipation of another Borg attack.
The rest I got a pretty good laugh about! I try not to let mistakes annoy me too much, and I’ll overlook most things if the story is a good one to tell. Thanks for putting together and sharing this video.
“If they mess with the uniforms, the ships or the basic designs, I won’t watch it.”
“I also hate how friends of canon are ridiculed and labeled as nitpickers and killjoys.”
I can’t imagine where anyone would get THAT impression….
I like both of the videos Data+Lore=cool to the 9th degree!!!!
Check out Part 2 of Star Trek Mistakes on Youtube
hang on…when was Bashir on TNG or Data on DS9? could anyone tell me please…I’d love to know…
Gary Mitchell misremembered the middle name of his Captain.
End of Story.
No canon violation.
How many here know the middle names of their co-workers?
You’re welcome.
Gene’s Ghost
check out part 3 and 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42Q-pFlzung
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy_-TklmyYE