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Keri Russell Was In Talks For Star Trek Role…Might Still Be October 23, 2007

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: ST09 Cast , trackback

Back in May we reported that both J.J. Abrams and Keri Russell dropped some hints that they would both be open to her being in the new Star Trek, but it seemed to just be usual celebrity log rolling. Russell was the star of Abrams’ first TV series Felicity and appeared in his first feature film, Mission: Impossible: III. In a new interview with TV Guide the actress reveals that there is actually some fire to the smoke. She says that she is in discussions on some film roles and that she talks to J.J. Abrams “all the time.” When asked specifically about a possible role in Star Trek she said:

We were trying to work something out already, but I don’t think that is going to work out…but something may work out.

What role could she have played?
Although it appears that Russell will not appear, it still brings up the question regarding the role for which she was being considered. The only known uncast female character is Kirk’s mother, but at 31 Russell is surely too young for that part. In his recent interview with, co-writer Roberto Orci hinted that there would be strong female roles in the film and also stated that there would be some ‘familiar faces’ from Trek’s past. Two immediate possibilities that come to mind are the two roles played by Majel Roddenberry Barrett: ‘Number One’ (Pike’s First Officer) and Nurse Christine Chapel. Another fan favorite could be Carol Marcus as Kirk’s love interest. And of course it could be a totally new character as well. So far the only female cast member is Zoe Saldana playing Uhura, so let’s hope we see some more women announced soon to balance out the male dominated cast.

Of course if Keri isn’t available, JJ can always call upon one of his other stars. Jen Garner recently said she is ready to boldly go.

Beam Keri Up? But as who?

See TV for the Russell interview (h/t to Moviehole)


1. DJT - October 23, 2007

Carol Marcus would be my guess.

2. Noleuser - October 23, 2007

She does have that curly hair kinda like Dr. Marcus.

3. Nelson - October 23, 2007

Or Janice Rand, though I would have thought Rand could be younger in the time frame of the film.

4. redstatesrule - October 23, 2007

Carol Marcus would be my preference.

Janice Rand is a possiblity.

5. diabolk - October 23, 2007

I wish they would show the sparks in the tragically-fated meeting of young Spock and Lela Kalomi.

6. Christian Malley - October 23, 2007

Doesn’t sound like she’s going to be in it.

I’m kinda indifferent to the idea really…

7. Buckaroohawk - October 23, 2007

The role doesn’ t matter, just seeing Keri Russell in a Trek project would be great. She’s such a lovely young woman.

Shame on you, Anthony, for not making that photo of her clickable.

I’m with the others here. Sign her to play Carol Marcus.

8. Etha Williams - October 23, 2007

She’d be a great Carol Marcus…always wondered about the backstory behind her & Kirk was, and it would be the right time period.

9. Anthony Pascale - October 23, 2007

I am sorry…I have added the full sized version at the bottom of the article for your ‘review’

Personally I hope it is ‘number one’. NBC had that character axed because, god forbid, there would be a woman with real power in the future! And if you look at Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman/Lindelof’s work it is full of kick ass women from transformers to Alias to Lost to (of course) Xena. Bob Orci promised that women in this film will do more than just answer the space phone…and Keri would do just fine.

10. Anthony Pascale - October 23, 2007

I would also go for Carol Marcus. I have always thought that Marcus broke Kirk’s heart…and since that time he became ‘married’ to the Enterprise, and of course a bad case of satyriasis. But all of that was compensating for his lost love Carol

11. Pragmaticus - October 23, 2007

5 – Leila Kalomi would be a fantastic role for her.

12. Thorny - October 23, 2007

Add my vote for Carol Marcus!

13. DJT - October 23, 2007

The question is – does she have any chemistry with Pine?

So many movies crash and burn because of miscasting.

Frankly, I was never a fan of Felicity. She was a-ight in MI3, but I’d much rather have Maggie Q drop kicking someone in there instead.

As for Carol Marcus…I think there might be some better choices. Whatever female they choose, she has to be movie hot, not TV hot. For example, in Soderbergh’s Solaris, the female lead, McElhone, was pretty yes, but not movie hot. To me the leads have to be on equal footing. There has to be some semblance of chemistry. Zeta Jones was very much an equal to Clooney’s billing on Intolerable Cruelty. On Solaris, I just did not think there was any chemistry between the leads. Clooney acted his ass off, but could not save the picture. In par, I think, because of poor casting.

Now that’s just my opinion. Felicity is pretty, but if she had a photorp up her nose, I wouldn’t lose sleep over it. Jessica Biel on the other hand. I’d bust a cap to see that movie.

14. Harry Ballz - October 23, 2007

Hey, don’t forget Ruth from Shore Leave! Personally, I’m half expecting to have the movie depict a young officer named Kirk dating both Carol and Ruth at the same time! Ooooh, a new first! Spock and Kirk first meet when the Vulcan walks in on Kirk having a three-way! Spock is tempted to join in, but concludes that it wouldn’t be logical!

15. Noleuser - October 23, 2007

Anthony, that is a great theory about Carol Marcus and the Enterprise. It makes perfect sense.

16. Chris Roberts - October 23, 2007

A thing some are forgetting Is Most of the film(set In the 23rd Century) will be set around the time Kirk first takes command of the Enterprise.With reports of a couple of scenes at Starfleet Academy my speculation Is Carol marcus.And this Is purely my guessing but on this mission Kirk runs Into her again,and discovers he has a son(with flashbacks showing their romance while Kirk was at the academy) and David had to be born by the time Kirk took Command.However If J.J. Abrams casts a Actress he has worked with Before I would prefer Jennifer Garner.

17. 1701 over Gotham City - October 23, 2007

I’d love to see Carol Marcus…
But then, we also should have seen Gary Mitchell, and that doesn’t look like it’s gonna happen either…. DAMMIT.

I always assumed Carol was the “Blonde lab technician” that Gary steered towards Kirk.

Then again, she could be Ruth (Long shot, but hey…)

18. Justin Olson - October 23, 2007

If Carol Marcus is in the script, how about Dr. Marcus’ (the late Bibi Besch) real daughter, Samantha Mathis:

It would be a cool familial link to TWOK. She’s 37, but looks younger. She was in an episode of LOST, coincidentally. Not that that’s any kind of Abrams qualification. Just saying…

19. LK - October 23, 2007

According to her statement, something like that may work out if it hasn’t already worked out. Working something out my mean that she’d need to work out if it ends up working out.

20. The Vulcanista - October 23, 2007

Sounds like a “definitely maybe.”

Count me in the Carol Marcus crowd.

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

21. Danya Romulus - October 23, 2007

I’d love to see her as Carol Marcus, and I hope we get as many of the female characters mentioned as possible– Number One (hopefully she’ll get a name?), Chapel, and especially RAND. She only appeared in eight episodes but I loved the flirtatiousness she had with Kirk, kind of like Moneypenny in the Bond movies. It would be awesome if they did her beehive haircut too, obviously it isn’t “modern,” but I think it’s so over-the-top to begin with that they’d get away with it still.

Also would love to see a love interest for Spock, whether it’s Jen Garner or someone else!

22. Roberto Magana - October 23, 2007

I want her as the green alien the Batgirl chick played in the original TV series.

23. Roberto Magana - October 23, 2007

Bring her in as the green skinned alien chick, or the bald chick from the first movie.

24. Dragonflygurl - October 24, 2007

Orion Slave girls you mean.

llia played by Persi Khambatta. Sadly she’s dead in life.

25. Johnny Ice. - October 24, 2007

#9 Personally I hope it is ‘number one’. NBC had that character axed because, god forbid, there would be a woman with real power in the future!
WTF are you my twin brother because this is totally my suggestion too. So much for woman equality in 1960s and its about time we fix that.
I loved Keri Russel in Felicity and she would be great as Number one in XI movie.

26. redshirt - October 24, 2007

Keri is too young and too small for Number One. Too old and too small for Rand, so my guess is “new” member or she’s a KLO [ Kirk Lust Object ]

To me Colt, Kelso, Leslie, Reily, DeSalle, and Kyle are the roles to get right. If these parts are played by ANYTHING less than MAJOR T.V. stars, then everyone will hate the movie!


[just kidding…. stop freakin’ out you geeks!]

27. Bono Luthor - October 24, 2007

“As a physician you of all people should appreciate the dangers of reopening old wounds.”

I hope it’s her.

28. Luca AKA RuFFeD_UP AKA Lukas - October 24, 2007

LOL maybe she’ll do some stuff like she did in Starship Troopers HAHA

29. William - October 24, 2007

O.k., this may be off the direct subject of Keri Russell but does relate to casting. I had a potentially brilliant casting idea. I just watched Trouble with Tribbles and think that Jon Lovitz would make a great Cyrano Jones. I’m sure that there is no way sensible way to work in this movie maybe the next. In TWT we learn the Jones has been trading for 7 years which would fit into early missing timelines. Spoke also tells Under Secratry Barris “We know all about Mr Jones.” which could imply they have ran into him before. Any thoughts?

30. William - October 24, 2007

Correction from my last posting #29. That should be “would fit into early MISSION timelines.

31. MadGoblin - October 24, 2007

Re: #9 “Personally I hope it is ‘number one’. NBC had that character axed because, god forbid, there would be a woman with real power in the future!”

According to Herb Solow in the book “Inside Star Trek” (probably the best of the behind the scenes TV Trek books), it wasn’t the idea of a woman in authority that miffed executives as much as it was the fact that Gene Roddenberry was trying to force his mistress, perceived to be a marginal actress, down their throats. As in the case of the “Scotty pushing drugs in Harlan Ellison’s original City on the Edge of Forever script” (when Scotty never even appeared in the script), Roddenberry was more willing to overlook the facts for the sake of a good story.

32. Cervantes - October 24, 2007

She’ll probably end up as Carol Marcus, Captain of her own Starship, and ‘McCoy’s’ ex-wife according to this new ‘timeline’… ;)

33. fellow_canuck - October 24, 2007

Spock’s wife (er…well, future x-wife). I’d love to see her as a Vulcan. She has the right face for it.

34. Bryan - October 24, 2007

“Ruth…how could you possibly be here?”
From Shore Leave we find out Kirks old love interest.
To go back to the early days certainly bodes well that it should be from a time when Kirks assumes command of the Enterprise.
Thoughts Trekkers?

35. Admiraldeem - October 24, 2007

Harry, you echoed my thoughts. Ruth is the real obvious choice to me. Carol Marcus was a movie creation, Ruth directly tied to his academy days during TOS. These guys are major fans and it would be just like them to dig up that factoid instead of going for the obvious.

Plus Carol Marcus was such a bitter old wench (I suspect drawing on the personality of the actress who created her) that I would be quite happy to never see it again.

36. Jay - October 24, 2007

Carol Marcus for sure… she was quite tasty in TWOK and Keri Russel is OUT OF THIS WORLD!!!

37. Trek Nerd Central - October 24, 2007

Ruth? Ick, no way. “Jim, dahhhhling.” Carol Marcus is a much more interesting character. I, too, always figured she was that unnamed blondie lab tech. That’s gotta be it. And Russell sort of looks like a younger Bib Besch. Sort of.

38. neal - October 24, 2007

It would be good to have some women characters who are senior officers to wash away that old 60s vibe of “only men can be captains.” Hey, has anyone mentioned Russel playing Janice Lester?

39. RaveOnEd - October 24, 2007

My vote is in for Carol Marcus. Think of it: they break up, because Kirk knows he’s going to be going into space in a command of his own, just knows it, after he goes to the simulator later that day.

Cut to: Kirk preparing to reprogram the Kobayashi Maru, and he asks the Vulcan who’s getting ready to go into the sim as the Science Officer to help him. After all, this Vulcan has an A-7 Computer Rating!

40. Finnegan - October 24, 2007

Felicity on board the Enterprise, no thank you!

JENNIFER GARNER for Number One!!!!
SCARLETT JOHANSSON for Janice Rand!!!!
CAMERON DIAZ for Christine Chapel!!!

JESSICA ALBA and ALYSSA MILANO for green orion slaves and Kirk’s love interests (he needs, no he deserves more than one!)

41. NCC-73515 - October 24, 2007

in the picture she looks like the caitian from st5

42. The Master - October 24, 2007

I see Keri Russel as Number One
I also Like no. 40’s suggestion but would put Johanson as a Green Orion Slave woman and Alba has Rand.
Here some more possiblities

How about Grace Park as a slave girl or Naughty Romulan???
Or Katee Sackhoff as Number One
or Lucy Lawless ( she has JJ connection no?)
and Tricia Helfer as Rand or Chapel

43. Dennis Bailey - October 24, 2007

Well hey, why talk about actors when you can talk about sets?

Zachary Quinto talked to MTV; the link to their report is here:

And here’s what he said about the Bridge of the Enterprise:

“What about the actual new bridge of the Starship Enterprise ? Has it been built?’I’ve seen drawings of [the rebuilt bridge], and the drawings alone gave me chills,” Quinto said. “I think it’s going to be a pretty remarkable experience.'”

44. Gary Lee - October 24, 2007

With her statement it sounds like two different parts and she more interested in the second one. With the chance both Number One and Nurse Chapel in the movie that would be something. It wouldn’t be the same actress playing both parts again this time, but Number One is on the Enterprise when Pike is captain and Chapel with Kirk when he is captain on the Enterprise afew years differents so I thought they will meet up.

45. JeFF - October 24, 2007

I like Keri, so I’d like to see her in the movie… but if she can’t be in it, she can’t be in it, oh well. She could probably look like Number One or Christine Chapel before she could look like Rand… but with a wig, who knows. Carol Marcus is a good idea too.

We really DO need to see more women in this though… I wish they’d get Jolene back as T’Pol… she’d still look good in the 2240’s/2250’s. Wishful thinking.

I keep wondering about the other barely-known characters also… Boyce, Piper, Jose Tyler, Gary Mitchell, and any number of Kirk’s love interests from the past.

46. Jenny - October 24, 2007

I just love keri Russell, anything she does seems to be awesome!

47. MichaelJohn - October 24, 2007

mmmmmmmm definately eye candy. She’s gets my vote to be Kirk’s babe in the next movie!

Mike :o

48. FREAKAZOID - October 24, 2007

I can see her a Carol Marcus. Someone also sugested Ruth from the Shore Leave episode. That could work too.

49. Levois - October 24, 2007

Yeoman Rand! :-P

50. Noleuser - October 24, 2007

I’m so excited about this movie! It’s still more than a year away! Next year wil be a great year for movies with Batman, Indiana Jones, Hulk, Iron Man, and START TREK!

51. The Master - October 24, 2007

I think Grace Park and Katee Sackhoff and Tricia Helferalong with Jessica Alba will put butts in the seats. I Know they wer e one of the main reason I watched BSG and Dark Angel respectively.

52. I AM THX-1138 - October 24, 2007

Thanks for that, Dennis. Now I’m geeking again.

53. Jon (30) - October 24, 2007

Very insightful Anthony.I wonder,though,If the audience has that sort of window into Kirk’s soul (and pain)would it ruin his Mystique for some.But maybe It would reveal Kirk as a more complex (and pathetic)character to others.

54. Jon (30) - October 24, 2007

53 .Referring to anthony’s post #10

55. Dave in RI - October 24, 2007

Kirk really had a thing for blondes, didn’t he? In addition to Ruth and Carol, didn’t he have a relationship with Areel Shaw (Court Martial), Dr. Janet Wallace (The Deadly Years)…not to mention falling in love with a blonde android (Requiem for Methuselah)

….can’t say I blame him, though ;-)

56. ZoomZoom - October 24, 2007

She is certainly a lovely looking young lady!
And….. Bibi Besch was gorgeous as well. She brought a helluva lot to the rather small role of Carol Marcus. I’d be happy to see the relationship with JTK covered a little in the movie.

57. girl6 - October 24, 2007

I’m guessing that they’ll use only characters from the original television series, not ones introduced in the movies–at least that’s what I hope.

If Chris Pike’s in it, then the other woman could be Number One or that blonde yeoman that Gary Mitchell was creeping. I can’t see KR doing a small part, tho’.

It’d be cool if Gary Mitchell was in the movie. He’s the best asshole ever.

Pardon my blasphemy, but I personally find Carol Marcus as uninteresting as all the other women who appeared in ST after TOS –except 7of9, Jadzia Dax and maybe T’Pol. Ok, Janeway. What was up with that? It’s not like there’s a dearth of hot, interesting babes in Hollywood.

Oh, wait.


Has anyone heard if they’re casting #1, Chapel, Rand? Someone said earlier that Jessica Biel would be good. I think she’d play any of those parts very well. Also, if it ever comes up in future movies, Jennifer Garner would make a great Helen Noel. Helen kicked nuts! And managed to be gorgeous with a lazy eye and an overbite. See? That’s how you do hot *and* interesting.

I always wanted to push Ruth into a mud puddle, but I could go for KR playing her. Or Ariel Shaw, the lawyer–another of Kirk’s “old friends”.

Wait a minute.

How does a presumedly brilliant *scientist* like Carol Marcus have an unplanned pregnancy in the *23rd* century? I’d think that all that baby daddy bullsh*t would be unnecessary back all up in the future. And how come she didn’t know that her son-whith whom she’d been working closely for years on her pet project–used an unstable, illegal element in their experiment?


Sorry. I got a thing about Carol Marcus. I’d be pulling out her weave on Jerry Springer if I was Ruth…

58. JL - October 24, 2007

HOLY CRAP! RUTH from “Shoreleave!” She is perfect for that, look at her!

59. Andy Patterson - October 24, 2007

Con’t know who she is but she’s a looker. And I vote for Carol Marcus too.

60. Etha Williams - October 24, 2007

#9 — I loved Number One and want to see her in this movie too, but Keri feels more “Carol Marcus”-y to me…

On a side note, I think the part in The Cage when the yeoman is on the bridge and Capt. Pike says something about not being used to women on the bridge and then looks over at Number One and says that she’s “different, of course,” is one of the funniest awkward Star Trek moments. Actually, while I normally hate how every woman on a TV show/movie seems to have to be a love interest, I really liked the chemistry between Pike and Number One…it was very complicated & interesting.

61. Rastaman - October 24, 2007

I would love to see more female characters in the cast, and Keri Russell is beautiful. If they want to draw a larger audience, they should make the movie more accessible to female viewers. (I suppose Eric Bana, Zach Quinto and Chris Pine don’t hurt, but still…)

I also agree with Anthony about Number One. She was one of the most progressive characters in Roddenberry’s original vision and yet got axed by the studio. Including her would definitely redeem a bit of Trek history.

If not Number One, I’m all on board for Leila Kalomi. I have always placed “This Side of Paradise” among my top five favorites from TOS. When I am introducing somebody to Star Trek, it is usually one of the first episodes I show them.

“This Side of Paradise” was the single best portrayal of Spock’s duality. If this is to be somewhat of a Spock-centric movie, then including some framing scenes with Leila would give the general audience some deeper insight into the “sacrifice” of logic.

62. Gary Lee - October 24, 2007

Wasn’t Jennifer Garner to be a Vulcan love interest for young Spock?

63. Iowagirl - October 24, 2007

#10, 53
As much as I appreciate the phrase “satyriasis”, I think that Anthony’s insight only uses a typical male cliché. A man who allows his profession to become his obsession and/or who becomes a skirt chaser just because of a woman who once broke his heart – this surely doesn’t make Kirk a “more complex character”. I’m sure, he was obsessed with space and one particular starship before Carol Marcus or he would have become obsessed with the Enterprise either way. If you absolutely want to show and see further revelation to Kirk’s character, I think he deserves a more imaginative insight.

Apart from that, I, too, would like to see a Kirk/Marcus story and I think Keri Russel would be the perfect choice.

Not to mention Edith Keeler…

64. Greg2600 - October 24, 2007

Well I think Keri Russell is terrific, and would love to see her in any role.

65. flier1701 - October 24, 2007

I was watching her performance in “We Were Solders” this past weekend, and I am convinced that she could pull of Carol Marcus. The [deleted] scenes where she is reminiscing about loosing her husband in combat are heart-wrenching and at the same time have an element of truth.

I could see her playing Carol Marcus when she tells Kirk “I’m Pregnant” and they talk about what to do; eventually going their own separate ways.

In a nutshell: I’m sold on her.

66. shatner or bust (aka Snake) - October 24, 2007

Russel for Dr Marcus

Garner for No 1

Someone else for Chapel…

67. JL - October 24, 2007


Damn dude, you are dead-on! Garner would make a GREAT “Number One”!!!!!

68. Andy Patterson - October 24, 2007


Ok I can see her being Ruth. Hadn’t thought about that. The Ruth in Shorleave never really knocked me out. She seemed 50 yrs old with all that makeup. I remember thinking, “what’s the big deal about this chick?” Now with this girl,…I see a big deal.

69. Etha Williams - October 24, 2007

#61 (and anyone else) — As a female Trekkie, I’m honestly curious what people mean when they talk about making this movie more “accessible” to female audiences. Are we just talking more strong female characters in the film? A different cinematographic style (closer to chic-flics, further from action-oriented movies)? Eye-candy male actors? Something else entirely?

I know that Trek audiences are by and large male, and I have some idea why, but I really don’t know what people want to do to make it more “accessible” to my gender (I personally like Trek fine the way it is…).

70. Gary Lee - October 24, 2007

We got the main seven crew you need Chapel and Rand also.

71. Harry Ballz - October 24, 2007

Can somebody get a picture of Ruth from Shore Leave and post it next to a Keri Russell photo? That would be cool!

72. Charley W - October 24, 2007

Concerning Janice Rand: Remember when JTK makes the comment in Man Trap (?) about a female yeoman (Rand)? It always gave me the feel that Rand was assigned very recently.

#9- good theory, Anthony! I’ve heard similar from other sources, so it’s likely you’re onto something.

#14- I suggested in another thread that a good way to bring in the fanboys is to have the hot scene in this movie be a catfight between Carol and Ruth. [Think a scene on the mud planet with Amok Time theme playing. Ruth: “He’s Mine!” (taking a swing at Carol) Carol (ducking, and countering): “He knocked me up, FIRST, Dammit!”] But, hmmmmmmmmmm, 3-way. Ok, I’m good with that.

#21- there was a novel that claimed “Number One’ WAS her name (something to do with genectic engineering), [I think it was one DC Fontanna’s.] I always hated that idea.

#55- Many people have noticed JTK’s fondness for blonds. I haven’t heard ANYONE notice another thing, Kirk’s attitude towards the only prominent redheaded crew member we saw- Marsha McGivers on ‘Space Seed’. I always wondered if there was something more about the not-so-hidden personal hostility he showed her.

Lester’s a good idea, and one I hadn’t thought of. It’s going to be the little details that make or break the film. If they just get the regular bridge cast and none or the secondary characters, it’s going to just be pandering. With a young villian and McCoy being only 35, it’s already looking like ‘Star Trek: 95210′ (Remember, McCoy had been divorced and had a daughter old enough to be considered a serious love interest for JTK.)

Tom Cruise for Harry Mudd!

73. shatner or bust (aka Snake) - October 24, 2007

Dr Lester – a nice refrence to Being John Malcovich …

74. Classic trek - October 24, 2007

could she play ‘No one’ which was played by majel barrett. she was that character in the cage?
greg UK

75. Classic trek - October 24, 2007

sorry thats number one
greg UK

76. Etha Williams - October 24, 2007

72 — The DC Fontana novel you’re thinking of was Vulcan’s Glory. I wasn’t too fond of the whole book, honestly, much as I love DC…

77. Charley W - October 24, 2007


I haven’t heard ANYONE notice another thing, Kirk’s attitude towards the only prominent redheaded crew member we saw- Marsha McGivers on ‘Space Seed’.

My error. Dammit, I was THINKING ‘Marla’ when I typed it, too!

78. Aaron - October 24, 2007

Maybe Antonia from Generations?

Who the hell was Antonia anyways? Is there more cannon to her than her mention in Generations? Someone please fill me in if you know.

79. Mr. Catspaw - October 24, 2007

I think she should have a cameo as Ruth.

80. Silhouette - October 24, 2007

Looking at the picture…ummm there’s an article attached to this??

81. cd - October 24, 2007

Keri Russell would be terrific as Carol Marcus.

82. Rastaman - October 24, 2007

Etha Williams –

Star Trek is at its finest when it is highlighting the diversity of talents and abilities of the characters we call heroes. The main characters in Star Trek have always illicited heroic qualities. The more strong female characters in the film the better as heroism is as much a female qaulity as it is a female one. Star Trek highlights the better parts of humanity, including diversity, and I think a greater gender balance is something that most women would prefer.

Later Trek has had very strong female role models such as Kira and Dax on Deep Space Nine, and Janeway and Torres on Voyager. The Original Series as envisioned by Roddenberry had a very strong female character in Number One, originally played by Majel Barret in “The Cage”. The studio decided to axe “The Cage” and Number One got axed with it. As a result, I am not sure that the Original Series has the gender equality that people have come to expect more from modern Trek. As a result, finding good roles for female characters is more of a challenge.

83. Rastaman - October 24, 2007

err “heroism is as much a female quality as it is a male one.”

84. DJT - October 24, 2007

# 57
You make some very interesting points.

What if CM purposely didn’t use protection because she wanted to get pregnant to keep Kirk around. Then when she realized he wouldn’t stick around, changed her mind about telling him but had the kid anyway.

Re: the proto-matter, what if she was in on it the whole time? What if David was just covering up for her? Hmm? What if she wasn’t the saint we thought she was? What if her cooking was delivery not Digiorno?

85. Iowagirl - October 25, 2007

– As a result, I am not sure that the Original Series has the gender equality that people have come to expect more from modern Trek. As a result, finding good roles for female characters is more of a challenge. –

Considering the times, TOS introduced revolutionary approaches regarding gender equality. In order to appeal to a modern audience, I don’t think Abrams & Co. have to find good roles for female characters and to reinvent the wheel, they just have to elaborate certain aspects of the female characters already introduced to the canon.

Again, you and others forget Kirk’s two most important loves – Edith Keeler and Miramanee. I don’t consider it a mere coincidence that they were NOT blondes. They MATTERED. By choosing a different haircolor, a statement was made. All other women in the course of the 79 episodes were mainly courted for business’ sake or they were from his past, i. e. pre-canon. Carol reappeared in ST II. That makes ONE blonde who really mattered and TWO brunettes.

Kirk’s attention towards Givers is not hostile because of her haircolor (we can assume he’s a wee bit more complex than that) but because at that point he is beginning to suspect that Givers will fall for the enemy!

86. David Sturm - October 25, 2007

Keri as Carol just seems to “fit”. Plus, the whole story line of “Waitress” really fits what she’d be asked to be doing here if there’s a flashback to David’s toddlerhood. Perhaps, Kirk was “married/significant othered” to Carol for a couple years during his Lt Cmdr years… and after all, it was Carol who parted ways. Ruth seems to fit as the friend who tried to “fill in” after Carol, or alternately, was the “Mrs. Robinson” *before* Carol, during his Lt. years, which made him long to have a long-term relationship. Honestly, if you look at Kirk’s relationships with Spock and his other colleagues to come, he clearly prefers long-term things. (No, I’m not suggesting anything slashy!)

Areel Shaw, certainly seems to be an after-Carol: as Kirk and Shaw remained friends. Perhaps she’s the one who introduced Kirk to Janet?

Janet Wallace is the one wrench in all this. She would rightly be the one Kirk was involved with at the point he got the Enterprise. She chose a deep space mission of exploration too, but on a different vessel: thus landing with Theodore. Until TWOK, most fen assumed “that little blonde lab technician” was Janet, not Carol.

Janice Lester, would seem to fit in the same time period…. perhaps as a friend of Kirk and Janet’s who was really annoyed that young Kirk got the posting of the Enterprise.

Helen Johannson (who could be Helen Noel with a last or maiden name), is pointed out as “she only mentioned that she knew you”. I’ve always thought the best retcon was that “Dr. Helen Johannson Noel” mentioned to her friend Piper her Dagger of the Mind experiences and the sciences department Christmas Party misunderstanding.

So, Keri really should be either Carol Marcus, or better… Janet Wallace!

87. Jon (30) - October 25, 2007

The carol Marcus character should be left in the” Wrath of Kahn” where it belongs.The character came across as being betrayed and heartless.I don’t want to develop her character anymore.She’s one of Kirk’s sadder cast offs.

88. Jon (30) - October 25, 2007

…and I want nicer things for Kerri.She’s so sweet.

89. David Sturm - October 25, 2007

#87/88 Ummm, Carol wasn’t the dumpee, she was the dumper. She’s the one who put Kirk out the door, not the other way around.

I’d say have *mention* of her, but Kerri as Janet (hmm, needs a maiden name: perhaps Tucker!? Archer!?) I think would make perfect sense. No sad castoff here… both of them left Earth for deep space missions…. Janet with Dr. Theodore Wallace’s project, Kirk with command of the Enterprise.

90. I AM THX-1138 - October 25, 2007

this is a test

91. I AM THX-1138 - October 25, 2007

Sorry about that. Occasionally, this board likes to randomly ignore my posting. I posted something earlier and was checking to see if I was an outcast.
BTW, that’s why I changed my screen name.

92. The Master - October 25, 2007

Keri is nice but any of the the BSDG women way better ( I vote for Grace Park)

93. Pauln6 - October 26, 2007

I think the Carol Marcus relationship has the most potential in terms of back story so my suspicion is that she will be the one appearing. I think that young Kirk was rather shy and bookwormy so I hope they show that side of him rather than the gung-ho womaniser he becomes later on.

Janice Rand MUST be in this film! While it is true that she was assigned as Kirk’s Yeoman after the pilot lets not forget that Chekov was fresh out of the Acadamy (off camera part way through season 1) and McCoy was not the CMO until part way through the first 5-year mission.

While Rand only appeared in 8 episodes, that was 8 out of 13 or so in the first half of season one (before Grace Lee Whitney was fired… grrr). Her character was intended to be the principle female lead (appearing in the promo pics with Kirk and Spock). She was the best defined of the women and the only one suited to running around planetside. I would love to see her potential realised.

A prequel should also definitely include Gary Mitchell I hope, Pike (confirmed) who should go hand in hand with Number One plus Chris Chapel who was a biologist and not just McCoy’s sidekick.

94. Jon (30) - October 26, 2007

I just don’t like the Carol Marcus character deciding to keep David in the dark about the identity of his father.Going back to see what she was like when she was younger is kind of like going back to see what made her so bitter.

95. pauln6 - October 27, 2007

Nooooo. Cheesy goody-two-shoes characters are what is killing Trek. Characters need to be 3-dimensional and a dysfunctional love-hate relationship might help do that. However, Carol wasn’t really bitter – she got her son after all. David was bitter that he never got a father.

Why Kirk and all his crew never commit to any kind of long-term relationships except Spock, who married after he retired, and Kirk, who was married for a year (TMP novel by Roddenbury) and who shacked up with Antonia for a brief period when he retired briefly after the second 5-year mission. None of them has any descendents in the 24th century that we know of, Kirk’s only known child died, Rand’s child (implied to be Kirk’s) died (non-canon in the novel the Captain’s Daughter), and we don’t know if Demora Sulu had any children. If nobody ever breeds it makes you wonder why the human race is so prevalent in Starfleet… And thinking about it, why are so many of the children who do pop up born unplanned and out of wedlock… OMG this isn’t utopia after all!

96. Cervantes - October 27, 2007

Gah, keep kids away from Trek storylines, full stop…

Give me mystery, adventure, and excitement for my fantasy viewing pleasure…

97. Charley W - October 27, 2007

#95: You’re forgetting McCoy’s daughter (granted, never mentioned in the series, but McCoy says something about ‘my grandchildren’ in one of the movies). Of course, McCoy was divorced, so your idea is backed up here, also. There of course is still Peter Kirk (and his brothers) to deal with, and any other nephews/nieces besides Peter Preston that Scotty had.
Notice also that few of the Star Trek crews EVER visit family or have other friends to phone or write or visit (Picard’s visit home in that one episode stands out as an exception- and then they killed off HIS family in Generations!. Tied in with this is that no new characters were ever introduced that made it to a sequel (except Savaak and some background characters).

98. Pauln6 - October 28, 2007

Oh ya – I forgot about Joanna (McCoy’s off camera daughter). I agree that too much family stuff has no place in a movie though – it would just slow it down!

I’ll be very happy if they give Rand and Chapel more than a cameo. I’d be happy to see a face from Kirk’s romantic past and Number One would be cool.

I’ll be very annoyed if they ignore the existing female characters (especially Rand) in favour of some new and pointless love interest of the week. After 40 years I would hope that the writers have sussed that the recurring female characters in the sci-fi genre deserve to be treated as equals. It’s a lesson the writers of Star Trek seem to have come to a lot later than other shows. I’ll despair if they still haven’t learned it by now! is represented by Gorilla Nation. Please contact Gorilla Nation for ad rates, packages and general advertising information.