Shatner: No ‘Star Trek’ Cameo For Me October 29, 2007
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: ST09 Cast, Shatner , trackbackIn case you were wondering, William Shatner is still not happy that he has not been asked to be in the new Star Trek film. When asked by MovieWeb if he had a cameo role he denied it, and went on to say:
I would be reluctant to do something that had so little value as to be a cameo. I’m disappointed that the story that they chose to do does not include the character I play, having been in on the birth of Star Trek, I would love to have been in on the rebirth or the resuscitation of it. The fact that I’m not is a disappointing and I think a foolish business decision on their part. Somebody decided how to play their story and they’re knowledgeable people and wonderful entertainers so we’ll see what happens.
The Shat heard round the world
These comments are similar to Shatner’s statement last week to the AP, although he upgraded ‘unwise’ to ‘foolish.’ As predicted, the AP story went far and wide. It was reported on TV, the print press and the online media in hundreds of locations. Of course each outlet is allowed to add their own spin, especially in the headline. Most went with something simple, like “Shatner Not Aboard for New ‘Star Trek’,” but some got a bit more creative:
Washington Post: Beam Him Out of the Picture
CBS News: Star Trek to boldly go without Shatner
News24 (South Africa): Kirk boldly going nowhere
Boston Herald: Exclusion from ‘Trek’ flick irks original Captain Kirk
The West Austrailian: Capt Kirk misses out on new Star Trek
CTV (Canada): Canadian Bill Shatner shut out of Star Trek flick
BBC (UK): Shatner sad over Trek movie snub
New York Post: Kirk Jerked
…but Shatner’s news has brought him an offer for a new role. A Craig’s List post offers the original Kirk a role in film called “Fraternity Escorts.” It begins:
Dear Mr. William Shatner,
The Enterprise may no longer want you… but a new enterprise does! We’d like to beam you up for a cameo role in FRATERNITY ESCORTS, a new raunchy college comedy about a group of Animal House-esque misfits who learn to turn tricks for wealthy Beverly Hills women in the hopes of raising forty grand needed to avoid eviction.
…so there is a silver lining after all.
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i’m ok with shat not in it.
Dammit Bill, it’s not all about you!
This upsets me. He should realize that this isn’t a business decision, it’s a story decision, and the story can’t be about him anymore. It’s being given to a brand new generation.
This sounds like MovieWeb was standing in line directly behind AP and got virtually the same answer. As for whether Shat should or shouldn’t be in the movie.. Don’t make me pull out the red velour undies, folks. I will. You know I will.
Dignity, thy name is Shatner. :lol:
This puts him in accord with the producers of the movie, who say they don’t want to put him in it unless it’s a meaningful role and not just a cameo. So therefore, “old Kirk” isn’t a meaningful part of the movie, so they haven’t asked Shat to be in it. So what he’s really upset about is that there isn’t a whole lot of “old Kirk” who could only be played by himself in the movie.
If they can make it meaningful, I want Shatner to be in it, but I don’t want them trying to shoehorn “old Kirk” in either.
it is a biz decision. shatner is not necessary. everybody knows it but him. i love the guy… but let it go.
Of course it would be nice if Shatner had a sizable, meaty role.
If would be nice, just to have him in it.
But it’s also entirely possible to write a great script, assemble a great cast, and not have Shatner in it. I would go so far as saying, that maybe - just maybe, Star Trek can do fine without him.
What’s bugging me (as a long time fan of both the Shat and Star Trek) is the unprofessional whining… or at least the appearance of whining. He hasn’t said anything negative other than not being included, and yet the press continuously build it up to be something written about. Shatner’s not helping.
I’d much rather read the quote ‘No comment’, and leave it at that.
The last section of his quote seems to be his way of throwing a bone to the producers…if he’s not in the final film, we, the fans still acknowledge his importance to the franchise.
I believe the story will bring in new fans, and reinvigorate Star Trek, but that won’t keep me looking for Mr. Shatner on every single frame of the movie…
Not having William Shatner in this would be like,, trying to fry eggs,, with no egg.
Come on JJ,, Get Shatner !!
This is getting old. I’m firmly in the camp that Abrams & Co. have conspired with Shat for a top-secret cameo; that being said, Shatner’s continual denial is getting annoying. Abrams needs to address this by either admitting that Shatner IS in the film or, if Shatner really ISN’T a part of it, offering him a role or speaking to him directly so he’ll shut up.
All of these sound bytes (one of which was on the CNN.com front page!) are creating a negative impression of the film, and could potentially hurt it.
This film will be BETTER than the original series and films.
There it has been said. Better. Here’s why…
This film may embody more of TOS than TOS did. When the show was originally on and in production, they were really just making it up as they went along. They “weren’t exactly working on all thrusters” and the results were captivating but spotty at times. Now, after 40 years and much reflection, the body of work as a whole and the essence of the characters and their interactions and relations can be factored in.
William needs to watch it before he burns any bridges.
You bite your tongue.
OK, Shatner’s not in the film, not even as a cameo.
Can we PLEASE move on, now? Pretty please?? With sugar on top???
The result? A more “concentrated” product with more TOS parts per million that the original unrefined original. This is not columbian coke. This is crack. Add to that that that this is being done by extreme fans of the show (which was never the case before. Never.) and I’m sure that we’ll all be crack-heads laughing that blow ever did it for us.
Sure, we’ll still all love TOS and have an emotional attachment to it,. but when we are alone we will admit it to ourselves. There will still be those TOS “original” die-hards who are haters of the new TOS crack but they will be like dudes who collect vinyl… analog artifacts in a digital age.
I for one am ready to be a strung out crack-whore!
and that was in response to #11
my post had to be cut up because it wouldn’t post. I just figured it out that it was because of the word c*ocaine. There is some kind of filter against certain words? A name of a drug cannot be used? I thought the states was supposed to be a free country, but I have the feeling that you guys are sliding into a paranoid fascist culture. What a sad place. We have problems in Canada, but the US is an empire that never should hav ebeen and is clearly in decline.
Does not putting Shat in the film have something to do with this because he is from Quebec? :)
There is something really weird about all this.
And of course this is what Nimoy said about his proposed appearance in Generations - that Spock didn’t do cameo
Enough, already!
I honestly couldn’t care less whether or not Shatner is in the film; but I wish they’d say one way or the other whether he was in or not. All these rumors are getting annoying.
based on everything we have been hearing about the focus being on Pike and that era of the Enterprise it makes sense for Shatner not to be in it. The dude is and always will be the Kirk-unit, the creator, but I mean damn, as someone else said it isn’t all about him.
Shatner, you will always be THE Captian Kurk.
19… Weird indeed, since the last time Shatner was offered a role in “Star Trek” (in “Enterprise”), he turned it down. Why the hard feelings now?
Something hinky here.
#19:
Because the last time he was being asked to appear on a TV series that was failing in the ratings in an attempt to attract interest to it - they needed him more than he needed them. He had leverage.
Now he’s being left out of potentially the biggest “Star Trek” project ever made - certainly bigger than anything since the very first Trek movie. And he has no leverage.
I don’t think I want to say too much more on this topic, as it is growing tired. But I will reiterate that I do not think Shatner is neccesary for he film. In fact, given his egotism, I think he could be detrimental to the development of the new cast of characters, particularly Mr. Pine. The fact that JJ has resisted the tempation to bend over backwards to appease the Shat gives me more confidence in his decision-making.
Shatner won’t make the difference at the box office (especially when one considers the multi-million dollar contract it will take to put him on film). A good story, good acting, and good advertising will make ALL the difference. From what I have heard here at Trekmovie, so far so good.
I’ll trust the story-making decisions of J.J. “Lost” Abrams over William “STAR TREK V” Shatner any day.
But I will still watch Shatner act in ANYTHING!
#26, Rastaman:
When Maurice Hurley had to be replaced after the second year of TNG as the producer in charge of writing, the studio heads were quite explicit - although not at all public - in their intent to find a replace “who will stand up to Roddenberry.” They ran through a couple of candidates before finding someone suitable, and after a staggering start the series finally got good.
There’s no way of knowing to what extent the new executives at Paramount were looking for someone who could say “no” to the usual suspects and strike out in a new direction with Trek, but I certainly agree with you that the willingness of the producers to do what’s necessary is encouraging.
I’m a bigtime fan of The Shat, but, uh…technically he wasn’t part of the “birth” of Star Trek, was he? He replaced Jeffrey Hunter. Hmmm.
The team doesn’t need to do or say anything. In a few months filming will have ended and Shatner will have given up his whining. So Abrams shouldn’t fan the flames by getting involved, its exactly what the SHAT wants.
Without risking the wrath of the anti-shatners, I would just like to say that I want him in this film and it is the prospect of Shat and Nimoy together again that has always interested me in this film.
If Shat was in but no Nimoy I would be making my pro Nimoy feelings felt.
This is a really sad way for TOS to end up.
I will, however, keep the faith,
24. 19… Weird indeed, since the last time Shatner was offered a role in “Star Trek” (in “Enterprise”), he turned it down. Why the hard feelings now?
Something hinky here.
All Shatner cares about is a big pay check…….That is all he ever has cared about. I love Trek and everything Shat has done as Kirk but I think the old SNL skit hit pretty close to home about how he really feels about the fans. I don’t think he has ever done anything FOR the fans……it’s always been about getting paid to Shatner.
I don’t understand HOW they could bring him in this movie without hurting the stroryline???
I mean Capt. Kirk (Shatner’s Kirk) died in Generation. SO how the hell could they bring him back from the grave? Should they ignore the movie. Make him live without explaning how he has comeback (laugh all you want I’ve read this in here)? Or they should invent some weird story around Kirk so that they can please some fans…
the Anwser to all the above is NO. So forget about Shatner in this. Thats it thats all!!! Deal with it.
Oh Lord!
Bill let it go.
Again you were not at the birth of Star Trek, that would be Nimoy.
Sorry my man, But Boston Legal and Priceline.com are still there for ya.
To quote what you said nearly 21 years ago, “Get a life!”
-cs™
oh dear. im crushed by that statement by the shat. thats sounds conclusive to me. i think we can forget it now. this is such a shame. it could and should have been sorted. i agree that it probably wont make that much difference at the box office but surely people agree it would have been great to have had the TWO old masters handing over the baton the the new guys. there is now a dark cloud hanging over this movie as far as im concerned. i will of course go and see it but i wanted to see shatner and nimoy in uniform once more- for the last ever time on the big screen.
i wish the production team had been a bit more clear about their own position on this. we could have avioded all this nonsense ending with shatner issuing a statement himself. a bit of a shambles. im disapointed to say the least.
Greg
UK
You suppose he’s just hoping that someone up in the offices at Paramount will call and offer him a big payday to endorse and promote the movie? I don’t mean the folks at Bad Robot, I mean the studio wheels.
I’d love to see The Shat in ”FRATERNITY ESCORTS”.
Anyhow, we now know for sure, pretty much (like I predicted in the other thread) that he has been offered a cameo, but is not interested in doing a cameo. He’s only interested in playing Kirk if it’s a substantial contribution. Well that means changing the story, which is obviously unachievable without compromise, because if it were I’m guessing they would have done so and he’d be in.
Well that’s that. We can move on now folks.
I still think they have a part for the Shat lined up in “Star Trek II” or whatever its gunna be… for all we know Star Trek could just be a build up to that???
*crosses fingers :P*
Pipe down Bill… for now anywhooo
Let’s jack this one up to 600 posts
#26
Somehow I think even if he WAS cast in the movie, Shatner’s ego would still prevent him from having anything to do with Chris Pine, who he would probably regard as his “replacement.”
Folks, you saw Shatner and Nimoy in uniform for the last time ever, in 1991.
Nimoy, more than likely, will not be in a Starfleet uniform for this movie.
The passing of the torch was done in Star Trek VI, and that’s all that should be done.
Nimoy is in the movie because it matters to the plot. If Shatner was so concerned with dramatic moments and storytelling, then he should understand that. Instead, he’s worried about himself and face time on the big screen, since he only seems to get TV work.
To clarify, I’m first and foremost a TOS fan, always have been. My favorite character is and always will be Kirk. But, if Shatner is willing to manipulate (or try to) by using the media, then I feel sorry for someone who so successfully portrayed my childhood hero.
He’ll end up taking the crapfest movie that he was offered above, just as he did for Loaded Weapon I and so on. Of course he will, because he’ll get enough lines to feed his ego and enough money to line his pockets.
Go on JJ, Roberto, Damon and the rest of the production team. Make this movie according to how you have done before, and done so successfully.
The film will end up with so much production buzz as you film that Shatner may even end up caving and doing a cameo, even if it means swallowing his precious pride as a master thespian.
(note to Roberto: you also have to try and address that Kirk will be about 150 years old in TNG time.)
I’m still disappointed that Shatner decided to Kill Kirk off in Generations. Who should we be blaming here?
Eff off already Bill. For goodness sake. My respect for the man keeps plummeting.
wasn’t it technically Leonard Nimoy who was at the birth of Star Trek? Why all the fuss Bill? I hoped he be in it now I couldn’t care less. I want to hear more about the film and less Shatner. It is getting old.
I just get this feeling that the writers and producers are being asked “….so why DIDN”T you write him in the story to begin with? I mean you have Spock..why not Kirk?” ..at which point even the ones who aren’t rabid fans would look puzzled as if it were quite obvious and answer…”um..cause he died already in that other film…we didn’t want to mess too much with Canon…and that seemed like a stretch..it seemed obvious..he’s dead…” …all this fuss after the fact..who knew…..
I don’t really believe the Shat is endering himself to anyone associated with this movie. If you look at all the comments from the other original recast characters they have been gracious and spoke with kindly about the whole project and there respective new images. Shat just sounds like he’s constantly bitching with a single “pine is good looking” comment ….
He’s worn out my patience with his comments ( geniune or not ) and frankly now I don’t give a flying goat in panties if he’s in it or not - why not let us just focus on the positives that are coming out of this pic.
Wow, I wonder what Bill’s agent thinks about all of this. I mean, it’s one thing to be disappointed and even to say so, but publicly accusing the producers or execs of making ‘foolish business decisions’ comes off as petulant and arrogant. I guess he’s written off any chance of making this work, seeing as how he’s pissed all up in their wheaties. That’s a shame, really. Even a 2 minute cameo- done properly - would have fanboys (like me) over stimulated for days. Oh well. I hope the movie doesn’t suck.
BTW, anybody else notice the News 24 (South Africa) and the Boston Herald articles are virtually identical? How’s that for phoning it in?
star trek was given birth by roddenberry, hunter, nimoy, barrett etc.
not shatner.
he came in later.
To Bill Shatner:
{{{{{{{HUGS!}}}}}} There, there, Sweet Pea. It’ll be okay. You’ll be just fine. You always are. :-)
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
(note that I didn’t bless his heart) :-)
#44. Yes technically it was Spock who was at the Birth of Trek. Actually there’s no ‘technically’ about it, it’s a fact. Jeffrey Hunter too, I wish he hadn’t died so young.
I’m hereby boycotting all “Shatner in the movie” posts. This is just too fishy that he would be so vocal about it and make such a big deal for so long. I think we’re all being had on this one. The PR spin machine is in full gear and I HATE it when I fall for these kinds of publicity stunts. Every time I hear anything it seems more certain that he will be in the movie.
STOP THIS BUS, I AM GETTING OFF (the bus that is).
The only good thing is the movie is still over a year away. Hopefully Shatner will get this all out of his system NOW and we won’t have to hear about it all next year…
You know, I don’t mean to judge the man, he is human and all. All these years I thought the reports of him being a bit of a jerk to his cast mates, wanting center stage might have been exaggerated a bit, and while i still am a huge fan, I am getting a bad taste in my mouth from all of this.
The FRATERNITY ESCORTS bit is the only part of this article that is fresh. The rest we already knew, just reworded. Nothing’s changed since the last 2 Shatner articles.
Now on to more important matters: FRATERNITY ESCORTS. Let’s have the Shat pimp some co-eds. I for one will NOT watch Fraternity Escorts unless William Shatner appears. Can we get the film makers to comment. Has Shatner seen the script? Have they even called him? If they say they are finding a way to get him in the story and it goes on for months then I will boycott Fraternity Escorts. Maybe Paul from the Shatnervision videos can ask him if he’s been approached.
I can already think of 10 reasons how Shatner can fit into the script. But I don’t want him playing the protagonists father, a Flashback pimp or the narrator.
Sign him already. We know the Fraternity Production Team read these posts.
#32. says “All Shatner cares about is a big pay check…….That is all he ever has cared about. I love Trek and everything Shat has done as Kirk but I think the old SNL skit hit pretty close to home about how he really feels about the fans. I don’t think he has ever done anything FOR the fans……it’s always been about getting paid to Shatner. ”
That’s true, to some degree I’m sure. But what has that got to do with Shatner’s portrayal of Kirk? You said you enjoyed Shat as Kirk. Does his personality hurt your feelings? All I can do is quote Don Henley: “get over it”. It’s about the character of Jim Kirk…who, incidently, for the past 40 years, just happens to have been played by William Shatner. Now we have a newcomer, Chris Pine…who may pull the wings off flies for all I know. Does it matter? NO. It’s all about what we see on screen and nothing more.
Or, at least, it should be.
I personally don’t have an opinion on whether he should or should not be in this movie but in a funny way my wife did. When I first told her about this movie I mentioned that Leonard Nimoy was going to be in it. Her first words to me were “well what about William Shatner, he’s Captain Kirk”. So what is significant about what she said. She’s not a Star Trek fan. Oh she would go to the movies with me and does like Mr. Shatner (watches Boston Legal) but she not into it. She’s represents that group that I am sure the new folks are hoping to draw in and her first reaction is to ask why the one person she knows about is not in the film. I agree that you can’t just create something for the sake of having Shatner in it . On the other hand even non-fans know the Kirk Shatner connection and they are the one’s the franchise is going to be counting on.
F*ck off bill… your now annoying the fans!!!
in earlier posts… swarms of fans were behind you… now your just a pompous ass!!
Kirk is the one we love, not you
#52. Yes I agree, while I did believe those stories of old, I had thought that Shatner had at least mellowed in his later years. The way he’s acting now is sadly making me think less of him.
I’ve never read any of his Trek books but would I be right in guessing that Kirk takes center stage in all of them and all of the other characters are marginal?
“I would be reluctant to do something that had so little value as to be a cameo.”
But if Shat did have a cameo and they did manage to undo the crapfest of “Generations” and still have a tight, fantastic story, I would think that would have a *lot* of value!
Oh, and definitely no snark intended in my above post. I really do want to give him a big, fat hug. His disappointment is understandable. I really feel for the guy.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
shatner should have grabbed this with both hands instead of potentially plmming for another Z list movie which will dissapear into obscurity within days. never say never but there does seems an element of sour grapes now which might make it difficult for it to happen. i cant help but think a great opportunity has been missed here.
i love TOS and shatner as kirk-he was and still is my hero to this day but he really should have worked with the new capt kirk chris pine in establishing him into the role like nimoy is doing with quinto. shatner should never have agreed to do generations-but that role gave him dual top headline in the credits with patrick stewart.
bloody gutted.
greg
UK
#11. “This film will be BETTER than the original series and films.”
Not even the people making the movie believe that.
#24. “Weird indeed, since the last time Shatner was offered a role in “Star Trek” (in “Enterprise”), he turned it down. Why the hard feelings now?”
He didn’t turn it down. There was still talk of things being worked out when the series was cancelled. Manny Coto was hopeful it would happen in season 5. But it also bears mentioning that Berman’s idea was God-awful. He wanted Shatner to play the Enterprise’s chef, a role that eventually kinda went to Jonathan Frakes in the much-reviled “These Are The Voyages”.
Why is everybody looking at this like “well, if they make a good script, i guess its ok if shat’s not in it”? it would be a questionable script, in my mind, that allows kirk somehow to have cheated death yet again. i love kirk. what fan doesnt. but i love trek more, and we need to accept that kirk died a hero. dont cheapen that by pulling the old “he didnt really die” card.
If Abrams wants to show Kirk is alive after Spock subtlely tweaks the timeline, do they really need a bloated William Shatner in person to do it?
Couldn’t they just dress up a stunt double with a build and appearance of Kirk (even Chris Pine with a grey wig and some padding), have him walk up out of the shadows towards a pensive Spock (with his back to the audience so we need not say his face) perhaps in a modern Starfleet uniform, with Shatner’s voice (borrowed from a previous movie) say something simple like “Hello, Spock.” Spock turns around shocked, replies “Jim??” Camera pans up to the stars, cue Trek theme… the end.
Kirk is alive, Paramount saves millions not bowing to the Shat, everyone’s happy.
56-
good point…seems to validate Shat’s reasoning….
62-
then again..you have a good point too…
#54
I for one will NOT watch Fraternity Escorts unless William Shatner appears. Can we get the film makers to comment. Has Shatner seen the script? Have they even called him? If they say they are finding a way to get him in the story and it goes on for months then I will boycott Fraternity Escorts. Maybe Paul from the Shatnervision videos can ask him if he’s been approached.
I can already think of 10 reasons how Shatner can fit into the script. But I don’t want him playing the protagonists father, a Flashback pimp or the narrator.
Sign him already. We know the Fraternity Production Team read these posts.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That’s awesome! Flashback-pimp! I’m dying over here…
63
no offense, but that would only be a good idea if Shatner was in the movie, died half way through filming…and they had to pull a Oliver Reed from Gladiator…
#50 “Yes technically it was Spock who was at the Birth of Trek. Actually there’s no ‘technically’ about it, it’s a fact. Jeffrey Hunter too,”
For everyone being so technical: I think we all know what he meant. 99% of the world isn’t aware there was a first pilot starring Jeff Hunter. Shatner came aboard and helped Trek REALLY take off.
#43 “Eff off already Bill. For goodness sake. My respect for the man keeps plummeting.”
Why, because the media asks him the same questions everyday, and he answers everyday, and Anthony reports it everyday, and we come here to discuss it everyday … ?
I’m starting to feel sorry for Shatner now. He’s coming off as old and bitter. Its not nice to see.
Somebody close to him needs to get hold of him quick and explain this is turning into a PR disaster for him. The fans are not turning against him (yet), but we are becoming fairly apathetic to his plight.
One day, the full story will come out. For now, I just wish he’d wish everyone good look and move on. Nichols, Takei and Koenig have all been postive thus far. I wish Shatner could be the same.
I honestly believe that Shatner was offered a role (along with Nimoy), probably over a year ago (well before the first draft was written), and for whatever reason it couldnt be worked out (money/size of role/importance of role). It was therefore developed as a Spock-centric script. If Shatner HAD wanted to be involved, he could have been.
Nimoy - ” Show me the script”
Shatner - ” Show me the money”
Now, Shatner feels left out. Its sad, but he MUST take some share of the blame.
Technically, it was. There were many upgrades to the original pilot that made Star Trek TOS the success it became, Mr Shatner included.
With all the sets (?), actors, budget, and considerable effort being placed
into this new startup, can’t we start talking about something that may bear real fruit other than a 2 hour movie that’s a year away?
HOW ABOUT A NEW STAR TREK TV SERIES to compete with George Lucas’ new Star Wars series? That would be a REAL geek fest! AND a ratings grabber! I think it would resemble the smaller scale shoot-off that occured with Babylon 5 (gasp* I said that here) and Deep Space 9 back in the 90s. I still prefer B5 cause of its EPIC and truly envisioned scope.
It also reminds me of the starup of Star Trek The Motion Picture vs. Star Wars in the 70s.
THINK OF IT PARAMONT! You made so much cash - for years after - on the icons that you created in the 60s! Heck, it launched Paramont, right?
I think there is still Gold in them mines! HOW ABOUT A NEW STAR TREK SERIES to compete with the new Star Wars series? You could have it occur just like Lucas is doing in his. Between Episode 4 and 5. There, no additional thinking needed.
Shatner says: “I’m disappointed that the story that they chose to do does not include the character I play.”
Um…
…well…
…then maybe you shouldn’t have let Paramount kill the character off THIRTEEN YEARS AGO.
Jeez Louise, get the frak over it and MOVE ON already!
SHATNER IS NOT IN THE NEW STAR TREK MOVIE CAN WE MOVE ON FROM THIS PLEASE IT’S GETTING TIRESOME.
#66
It was a quick and very unpolished idea, but the point is, if Abrams wanted to toss something like that in to show Spock changed the timeline, it wouldn’t be that hard, and they wouldn’t even need the real guy if its just a small cameo deemed beneath the original actor (if those rumors are true). Even the idea I presented, as you’ve demonstrated, would cause some people in the theatre to cheer, others to storm off in disgust, and others to furrow their brow in a vain attempt to comprehend the situation.
Its a no-win scenario to please the die-hards. But if Abrams thinks the average movie-goer want to see old Spock and old Kirk on the screen together, he might just do something like that.
I was convinced that Shatner would be in the movie, but I’m not so sure anymore. It would not only be great, but appropriate that he be in it, and it’s only the hallmark of a good writer if they manage to get him in and fit him in somehow. This is such a monumental occasion for Star Trek and it really is damned strange without Shatner as Kirk.
But if he is really not in it, Shatner is probably only hurting himself by continuing to make these statements. We already know perfectly by now what he thinks about it and to see him say it over and over with increasing disappointment will only hurt him in the long run.
This is, after all, not the only Star Trek movie they’re going to make. I’m sure they will make multiple movies and I’m definitely sure Shatner as Kirk will be in there somewhere.
Given how Shatner so brazingly and deliberately lambasts the production team et al, does anyone think that this just might be a front to obscure his actual involvement in the film? I mean, this all seems just a bit contrived…
my mistake… that last message (73) was a response to 67 not 66
#68
I’ll bet it went more like this:
Nimoy: “Show me the script. [he gets the script] “Okay; I like it. Now show me the money.” ;-)
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
I don’t think there is anything new in this story, other than the date. Now we know that as of today, he’s still not in.
By the way, almost every Trek movie has had an actor holding out for more. In ST:TMP and ST:TWOK and ST:TSFS, Nimoy had huge battles with the studio over whether he would be involved. Shatner had issues with his part in ST:TSFS. Shatner also held out for money for ST:TVH.
All of this stuff that is going on might be nothing more than standard negotions. The only difference is that nowadays with the Internet and all, whenever Bill says anything, it’s all over the news. It reminds me of Britney Spears.
Wow, the amount of Shatner hatred fueled by making innuendos from two sentences that read as very paraphrased is pretty unfortunate. Gene Roddenberry would be not be happy, because it’s obvious none of you have learned a doggone thing by watching Star Trek. The man has given more time and heart and money to charity than most of us combined, and oh no, he is just a greedy fiend. Yes, okay, Shatner is being very repetitive. But he’s also playing nice. If you ask me, I think he should just keep circulating that joke he made about J.J. while on stage with Leonard. At least maybe that would have been honest enough for people here.
Personally, I’m not very optimistic about the new movie as is. Imagine replacing all that 60s technology with big-screen high-quality effects…it might just kill the entire Star Trek legacy. Replace all that karate fighting with ships battling each other in a CG’d sky. Forget the funny hairdos and the miniskirts and tight shirts and short pants. Why not cut some of that technobabble as well?
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and let’s also take out Shatner.
I’m sorry to be a pessimist…but what the hell is Abrams thinking? This is Star Trek, and one of the first things any well-rounded citizen thinks of at the words “Star Trek” is the word “Shatner.”
It’s like taking Johnny Depp out of Pirates of the Caribbean.
Sit down a minute and think abou this, Abrams. It can’t be that hard to negotiate on a reasonable price to pay Shatner. If that *is* the issue at stake…and I assume it is.
Ooops!
Should have been a response to 69, not #68! My bad!
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
#75
If this was an act, Shatner would be winking at the camera and kidding around in that cheesball way of his. We’ve seen him play coy in interviews before, and this is not it.
#80
Usually when people think “Star Trek” they think of Captain Kirk, — who IS in the movie.
Most non-fans I know would have to take a few minutes to remember the name of the actor.
79
” But he’s also playing nice”
Calling the production team foolish isn’t really that nice. If he was trying to get me to hire him, he would have just commented himself out of a job. However, I don’t work in Hollywood, maybe they have more patients for that crap.
I did think (for about 5 seconds) acouple weeks ago that they were running an elaborate smoke-screen to conceal his involvement,until I asked myself why they would ever want to hide Shatner’s involvement in the project. Doesn’t make sense. No, I think he’s really not in it and he’s disappointed. I seriously doubt it was about money. More likely it was face time. I vaguely recall a story about Generations where Shatner nearly backed out because his part wasn’t “integral” enough.
It probably is all negotiations. Shatner is answering in the media. JJ & team are very tight lipped. Mr. Orci comments are really not saying much. I wonder what Leonard Nimoy is thinking these days. he has not said much about the subject lately. Nor has any of the new cast.
Roberto Orci can forget about Shatner doing a cameo in Transformers 2!!
i’m as big a fan as the next, but sometimes you cant play to the fans 100%. like the simpsons episode where homer’s brother herb hires homer to design the next generation car. homer puts in every little great detail that he’s always wanted and in the end the car is a terribly ugly and expensive thing. or love interests in every show. fans always watch to see if they’ll finally get together. if they did, that would be that and there’d be nothing left. fans sometimes want whats not best for the franchise or even for themselves. not because we’re dumb, but because we’re stubborn. and sometimes we have to be shown that there are a million great ideas out there that dont have to rehash old territory.
Shatner: “I would be reluctant to do something that had so little value as to be a cameo.”
You know, there’s an old, old theaterical aphorism:
“There are no small parts. Only small actors.”
To more important things - I’m with dalek! It’s not enough for Shatner to be shoehorned into “Fraternity Escorts” in some meaningless bit part as a john or something. It’s Shat The Pimp or nothing!!!
Bill
take the cameo & the money!!!!! If you can put your name on the novels you can do this.
i do hope there is a way back for shatner in this movie despite whats being said. i also wish the production team had kept fans informed of what was happening re the shats involvement and issued something solid instead of relying on shatners statements.
i love the shat - for me he will always be captain james t kirk. he is a legend to me. …but i got ot thinking the following
1. why on earth did he decide to agree to kill kirk off in generations? he should never have done that.
2. why did he play that prank on the people of riverside who clealrly love the guy? that didnt seem fair to me.
3. by saying he has ‘a lot on’ at present seems a bit stand off -ish and doesnt seem to be very respectful to the legions who would dearly like to see him come home to the role of james kirk. he knows we love him in that role.
but these kind of statements that are appearing dont do bill any justice and we need this thing to move on and soon. i wish he had accepted gracefully and leant a hand to the new guys. everyone one else is up for it. im not sure we are getting the full story here.
greg
UK
forget shat!! Let’s get Picard in there! He’s a much better actor and if shat wanted to be in another movie he shouldnt have gotten killed!!! I can’t blame them for not wanting to work with him, if you listen to the commentaries seems like directors dont like working with him.
Bill has lost a lot of respect from me for this. You don’t hear Nichelle,George or Walter talking like this. It seems that the
stories about how full of himself he can be are true. It gives me hope
for the story that they are not just shoving him in at his behest
but by sticking to canon as they should.
I’m sort of disappointed that William Shatner isn’t likely to be in this film whether as Kirk or anybody else. Though I’m really ready to see a new Kirk. Not the same as the old Kirk.
You know, I don’t think Shatner has thought this “cameo” thing all the way through.
The truth is, the smaller his role in the movie, the MORE memorable and spectacular it would probably be. People would be buzzing about Shatner’s cameo for months afterwards, and about how damn cool it was.
He’s really passing up something good here.
Incidentally, I’m not sure how a cameo in a major blockbuster movie is below a guy whose recent appearances have included:
-Hocking cheap vacations for Priceline.com
-Encouraging people to eat All-Bran for regularity
-Endorsing a Injury Law Firm
Part of me thinks he must be joking. If a guy is too much of an actor to play a 2 minute role, how can be at the level of dancing with little All-Bran men?
Indeed, the silence from the other TOS cast members on this is deafening.
You’ve got to figure that some aggressive entertainment reporter/gossip has or shortly will be confronting Nimoy, Takei, Koenig or Nichols at some public appearence and asking them “what’s going on with Shatner? How do you feel about this?”
Not to mention what they’re going to be asking Pine or Abrams or Quinto the next time they come up from the trenches.
Take it like a man, Bill. All this whining is hurting your image.
If Shatner would beam a smallER part into space, then he really doesn’t care if he’s in the movie or not. JJ made The Shat cry, and now he’s making the fans cry. Milking this for all it’s worth is probably a better business decision for Shatnervision than actually being part of the movie. We want you in it, Shat. Why can’t you and Nimoy just sail off into the sunset at the end and be done with it. So much for Kirk being alive when Spock returns to his century. It would have been… human.
To answer Shatner Fan. Why does my respect for the man continue to dwindle?
Because for years he was viewed as a ham heavy joke of the acting community. I defended the man from anyone who dared to speak ill of him. I knew he had been arrogant and self absorbed in the past, but I believed he had changed in his later years. I thought he had deepened. With the release of his collaborative album with Ben Folds “Has Been”, I heard a wonderfully realized concept album, and although I know much of the credit goes to Ben Folds for ‘getting it’ (Check out Bens own concept album “Fear of Pop”), I credited THE SHAT. Then came Boston Legal, the awards! I felt…FINALLY…Shatner has earned his due. Sadly, now I see that it has all gone to his head again, and here he is…pulling the ‘powerful actor’ routine. I’m a financial asset…etc, etc. It isn’t just this incident, he has begun being silly more than one in the last year or so, but I guess that’s the Shatner cycle. It saddens me that he still hasn’t learned. That’s just how I feel about it, and I can’t respect someone who behaves as he does. Money and popularity do not earn you the right to be a dip.
yeah its getting a bit stale now….. and taking the shine of the new film…
lets face it… he’s dead Jim!
Nimoy said in numerous interviews over the years that Spock playing against Pike hadn’t had the dynamics that Kirk/Spock had. Nimoy attributed their chemistry that made each other tic.
Kirk in Generations was flat.
Spock in Unification was flat.
Sulu/Rand on Flashback was flat.
Scotty in Relics was flat.
McCoy in Encounter at Farpoint was flat.
Though I enjoyed them…they all needed the original group to be thoughly enjoyable.
Whats Laurel without Hardy?
Whats Moe, Larry without Curley?
Whats Hope without Crosby?
I rest my case.
Yeah, this is getting old. Bill, I love ya, man. I’m a big fan and I still think you’re one of the coolest. But you agreed to appear in a film that killed off your character. That was your choice. I’m sorry, Bill, but I have no time for a movie that would have to spend half the story resurecting you. I want something new. Take the cameo or let it go.
What’s Peanut Butter without Jelly?
What’s Death without Taxes?
What’s Assault without Battery?
I rest my case.
#100
The reason those were all “flat” was the writing, plain and simple.
(Although I would argue Relics was very well written and it might have been the strongest Scotty episode ever)
# 100. “Kirk in Generations was flat.”
I disagree actually. Those scenes with him and Scotty were magic. I thought it was a shame Shatner tended to ignore the others so much in previous films as he had chemistry with most of them.
nimoy and shatner are best buddies right? so surely nimoy is saying to abrahams you got to get bill into this movie. from what i heard nimoy had stated from the outset that shatner had to be in it.
as the previous guy said, im ready for a new kirk (never thought id here myself say that!) but id dearly love to see the new endorsed by the old. a kind of acceptance and graceful hand over. its got to be done that way i recon. im starting to wish that none the old cast were not going to be involved the way its going. maybe we should have had a clean slate with none of the originals appearing. its terrible to say that i know especiually as im a massive fan of the original series…but thats how im feeling. i dont mind saying im feeling badly let down at the moment. please mr abrahams get this sorted and at warp speed!
I’ve been one of the biggest supporters for Shatner’s return, but it looks like he’s closed the door on it, and is either trying to jack a salary increase on ‘BL’ or get enough of a fan movement to influence the movie writer/-s to write him in. Either way, it lacks class. You’ve lost my support, Shatner. You’re just looking like a jerk. Do the right thing and shut the Hell up.
I think it’s safe to say - we’re all tired of this argument. Regardless of our personal feeling towards Kirk (I’m pro Kirk, but not for the new movie), it’s time to put this monkey to bed.
Film two movies back to back. Finish special effects for the second film well after the first. Sequel with larger role for Shatner. Write the script now before writer’s strike.
This is either a complete ruse, or William Shatner wants to be in the movie so bad he’s willing to make accusatory and derogatory comments about the film-makers. Interesting negotiating tactic you’ve got there, Bill. Before crossing the bridge, douse thoroughly with gasoline and then ignite with a match.
i will see star trek no matter what when it comes out, however with the story focusing around what it is, shatner should be in it, especially if nimoy’s in it. william shatner IS captain kirk, as good as pine may be, shatner is kirk, and kirk is in the movie, shatner should be, it’s a kobayashi maru situation, shat wont do a cameo and jj wont give him a big role, terrible
#54 dalek
(snort…giggle…)
#80 Vulcan babe… what was JJ thinking?
Whoa… you have more information than we do? You must, because you say JJ is wrong. Many of us are assuming there’s two sides to the story?
My God…it must be a conspiracy to kill Star Trek at the very highest levels.
I asked my wife, a well-rounded citizen who is not a Trek fan, what word(s) come to mind after she hears “Star Trek”. Hers were not Shatner.
“Enterprise”
“Phaser”
Captain Kirk
Captain Picard
Mister Spock
Sorry….
Ugh…..
So, Mr. Shatner, what are your suggestions on how to bring “your” character back?
Anyone else annoyed with hearing him bitch about this stuff???
I know I am.
EEEGGGGOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
100. What’s Hope without Crosby?
A legend of the stage, film, radio, and television, beloved by vets for his yearly Christmas tours for the USO, and if the stories are to be believed, worth 1 billion dollars when he died. He did just fine even when he wasn’t working with Bing. I’m just saying.
Ok, he’s not coming and I see no massive pro-Shatner calvary riding over the sunset to smite the blasphemy of the comments above or to spin what he said.
I could have supported him, had he not been a part in the murder of James T Kirk. (yes, I know he felt bad about it later and supposedly felt that it was the “right” thing to do at the time and had he known what was coming he wouldn’t have done it. Sorry, not buying that.)
I think there’s still an outside chance of him appearing, but I won’t bet a dime on it.
Ok, next subject…. Who’s cast as “Enterprise” and what kinda curves does she have? ;-)
Funny thing is, all of the slobbering Shatner-bashers may end up having their venom shoved back down their collective throats. “Lost” is a TV interest–a fad or whatever, however this does not guarantee the non-Trek fans of J.J. will even care to see the film–which is important, as i’ve noticed many pro-J.J. types seemingly assume the popularity/audience of this TV series and/or J.J. will transfer to the Trek film as though that is a guarantee, when the very nature of the current business has no sure-fire guarantees anymore.
Additionally, Trek still suffers from a widespread geek-stigma (even amongst fans of other sci-fi properties) that will not go away, no matter how you dress it and sell it (ex. the shameles T & A factors injected into Voyager and Enterprise), so a new cast who (like it or not pro-JJ people) will face endless comparison and likely a torrential flood of slamming from anyone (fan, critic, et al) familiar enough with TOS to make accurate value judgements.
Another issue is the “is this trip necessary” factor; it not like anyone is really begging Trek to reurn–certainly not the part of the public with a perception of Trek thanks to the (largely) lackluster Bermanverse, so som may wonder “eh…yeah a new Trek film…but why should I see this one?”
or “I did not like the last Trek film I saw, so i’ll pass…” or “this is a rental at best.”
This along with other factors plague Trek, and it does not help that the series is attempting a prequel when it sort of suggests (to the general population with no clue about old plans to do Starfleet Academy or “young” films in the past) that Trek has burned itself up so much, that it (quickly) has to mine the classics in order to survive (actually more true than anyone may ever care to admit). This is not lkke the Star Wars Prequel case, as everyone already realized George Lucas wanted to FINISH the planned six episodes, which predated the original trilogy.
With the Bermanverse not entirely cold yet, Trek may inspire the “they have to start over because its so bad” prejudices already being tossed around about the forthcoming “Hulk” reboot–which IS a reboot only a few short years after Ang Lee’s version, because the latter was THAT bad. Assumption of an idea being bad (right or wrong) cannot be a good omen.
With no disrespect to the other surviving cast of TOS, Wiliam Shatner is one of two faces which *are* Star Trek around the world. Bashers can hate to admit it until doomsday, but to a couple of generations–even non-Trekkers, if you say “Star Trek”, Shatner’s name or face comes to mind. It is no different than if one says “Beatles” Paul’s name or face is going to enter the mind of a large number of people–even those not particularly fond of Beatles’ music. That said, this experiment needs all of the pop-cultural weight possible. J.J.’s “Lost” fandom/repuatation is not enough–alone, nor is Nimoy. As many have noted time and again, Nimoy and Shatner are like McCartney & Lennon–tied to the hip in memory, and history forevermore…as are Kirk and Spock. Characters who are at their best when they had the other to play off of.
The new film has more than an uphill battle, particularly when allegedly talented writers have the ability to take a tale in any direction, add things, remove things, etc., but end up leaving out one of the most popular, representative personalities (and his character) of the entire franchise.
Quite….illogical.
I think since this new movie focuses on Spock having Shatner in it would be distracting. Also Shatner is annoying
Shat wasn’t part of the original birth of Star Trek…that was Jeffrey Hunter and Nimoy. I know the Cage wasn’t picked up after it was shown to NBC, and it was Shatner’s pilot they liked, but he needs to accept it. As do we. Shatner won’t be in this picture, because it’s not about Kirk. Rumors have said Kirk doesn’t appear until later in the film. That means a Pike/Spock Enterprise…..not Kirk/Spock. If Shatner were in it, it is becoming more and more clear that it’d be a random cameo unconnected to the screenplay.
#116. “With no disrespect to the other surviving cast of TOS, Wiliam Shatner is one of two faces which *are* Star Trek around the world. ”
Er, I think you’ll find that any of the original TOS cast are seen as ‘Star Trek’ around the world. Spock, Scotty, Bones, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov. *All* of them are cultural icons.
116. COMPASSIONATE GOD - October 29, 2007
“Funny thing is, all of the slobbering Shatner-bashers may end up having their venom shoved back down their collective throats.”
I’ll admit that the film could fail. But that is possible WITH Shatner in it as well.
If he’s eventually in it, Great.
But I’m still tired of his complaining about the situation right now.
He needs to either go in, read the script and help come up with an idea, or get over it.
#116:”Funny thing is, all of the slobbering Shatner-bashers may end up having their venom shoved back down their collective throats.”
Nothing in the several paragraphs following this actually builds the case that a) there are lots of “slobbering Shatner-bashers” out there or that b) there’s any likelihood of Shatner’s critics having “their venom shoved back down their collective throats.”
It’s just a proud-sounding assertion which makes no actual sense.
I’m really tired of Shatner whining about this. The fact of the matter is, the guy can’t even act that well. You know that if the movie does poorly he’s gonna say it’s because he wasn’t in it. Just shut up, Bill, and go do a sequel to Big Bad Mama, or Kingdom of the Spiders.
I realize that a lot of media outlets are picking up the story, therefore we are probably hearing about this more time than Shatner actually said it. Still, I agree with other. It’s time to let it go.
I really wish Shatner wouldnt even comment on the new movie anymore. People are getting annoyed by his comments and I’m sure it doesnt help his chances of being included in the movie.
I want Shatner in and I think he has every right to be angry (EVERY SINGLE person that posts here whining about Shatner not “letting go” would feel EXACTLY the same).
But hey, if JJ and company dont want him in the movie, its their call (or mistake as I see it).
And BTW, if JJ had just been straight with everyone from the start instead of getting people’s (and Shatner’s) hopes up, none of this would be happening right now.
Sure, blame everybody but Shatner.
RE: 116
Wow, someone sounds angry. Why is the prediction of “Doom” always the fall back position when someone doesn’t get their way? I’ve never understood that.
Also, my dear Mr. Shatner had this to say, “I would be reluctant to do something that had so little value as to be a cameo.”
If I may ask, what purpose did you serve in the overall story of Star Trek: Generations other than to die? Answer: None. They could have made that film without Mr. Shatner, just the same as this film. Mr. Shatner sadly accepted Generations for one or all of the following reasons:
1. All he had going on was Rescue 911.
2. They met his price.
3. He wanted a glorious death scene like Mr. Spock.
What is it they say about hindsight?
#117 “I think since this new movie focuses on Spock having Shatner in it would be distracting. Also Shatner is annoying”
Yeah, it sure was distracting having them as an onscreen team during the 25 years they were turning Star Trek into a legendary success story, wasn’t it? Next.
#118 “Shat wasn’t part of the original birth of Star Trek…that was Jeffrey Hunter and Nimoy. I know the Cage wasn’t picked up after it was shown to NBC, and it was Shatner’s pilot they liked,”
Right. And the first time the national audience saw Star Trek, they did see Shatner. The Cage wasn’t shown on tv until the 80’s! People need to stop parsing hairs; for God’s sake, to the vast majority of Americans, Shatner IS synonymous with the birth of Star Trek. We all know it.
#119 “Er, I think you’ll find that any of the original TOS cast are seen as ‘Star Trek’ around the world. Spock, Scotty, Bones, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov. *All* of them are cultural icons.”
They’re icons of sci-fi, no doubt. But if you think Uhura or Chekov are as well known as Shatner’s Kirk, I’ve got some property on Ceti Alpha V I’d like to sell you!
122- They may not be slobbering but they’re there.
Always there to get in a dig at Shatner’s expense. Always there to attack him for answering interviews when the media contacts HIM. Always there to point out how dead he is, as if the writers aren’t competant enough to write their way out of that dilema. Always there, in every Shatner based thread, to make sure we all know that this movie will be worse off and falter with his large body and ego in it…despite the inclusion of TOS star Leonard Nimoy AS TOS Spock!!
Always there to remind us, no matter how illogical, how Shatner’s ego is so inflated that we must now hate the character of Kirk because Shatner is in it for the $$!
Sigh…
It’s crazy. How can anyone, who is a fan of Star Trek, starring William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy, be so violently opposed to William Shatner being in this movie? It’s not a “must”, but IF you like TOS and if you like Kirk, then how can you possibly be against the idea, especially without having read the script or know the story? It boggles the mind.
Unless of course, those chiming in on a regular basis, rather than skipping these Shatner stories entirely, are predominantly Berman era fans adn they’re venting because their days are over. If they would at least admit their dislike for Kirk and TOS, at least the constant harsh opposition to the idea would make SOME kind of sense and I could at least wrap my mind around where they’re coming from.
But they won’t do that. It’s always..”I’ve always loved Shatner in TOS, BUT….. I’m a lifelong TOS fan, Shatner was the man in his day, BUT….
I like Shatner, BUT…
All these posters “like” him, like him as Kirk, like TOS, but are defiant against any possible scenario that puts Shatner in the film.
I just don’t get it.
i have warned over and over…no more name calling, lableing, etc, etc
and for the record…the vast majority of visitors and fans want the shat, but think the movie is paramount. Not demanding he be given his bigger than cameo resurrection does not make you a ‘hater’ or a ‘phobe’ etc
any future name calling, flaming, trolling, etc will result in bans…no exceptions
JTK….RIP
Time to move on!
423 dtST
Well, This story made my local newscast as the last story of the broadcast and they teased it after the weather. It’s a headline that could easily be ignored, but news agencies and news directors are picking it up all over. That alone indicates to me, that Shatner+ Star Trek = curiosity and interest, even among non-Trekkies.
Bottom line: in many markets, this item got picked up where the basic announcement of Trek 2008 being produced was ignored. There IS a tremendous interest in Shatner that transcends these fan boards, otherwise this story would not be getting the air and print media that it has been enjoying over the past few days.
Deny it all you want, but that won’t make reality go away.
#123 “I’m really tired of Shatner whining about this. The fact of the matter is, the guy can’t even act that well. You know that if the movie does poorly he’s gonna say it’s because he wasn’t in it.”
I doubt it. I think A LOT of people here are going to realize how much hot air and cyber ink they’ve wasted once Shatner begins making the convention rounds with Pine. It’s only a matter of time. In fact, it has already been announced that “special guests” will be appearing when Shatner is honored in L.A. in December. Hmmm. And if being one of the most recognizable actors on tv, more in demand than ever after a 50 year career, earning millions, winning Emmys, and being one of the key factors behind Star Trek’s success are the signs of a bad actor … I bet all of Hollywood wishes they were as bad!
#129 “those chiming in on a regular basis, rather than skipping these Shatner stories entirely, are predominantly Berman era fans adn they’re venting because their days are over. If they would at least admit their dislike for Kirk and TOS, at least the constant harsh opposition to the idea would make SOME kind of sense”
Yep.
Some are suggesting that Shatner is full of himself, which would go a long way in explaining the man’s size and girth!! He’s HUGE!!
My God, he looks like he could be mistaken for a float in the Macy Day Parade or, even worse, on a bad day, Ted Kennedy!!!
Hey, the two words that Teddy Kennedy hates to hear? LAST CALL!!
#130 “the vast majority of visitors and fans want the shat, but think the movie is paramount”
Well, sure we think it’s Paramount…….what, you figured we were thinking maybe Universal or 20th Century Fox?
Come on, Anthony, smile……….I know it’s in there………
jonboc, sure its not Bermans era Trek but its also not Roddenberry Trek either, this is JJ Abrams movie. Sure it will feature TOS but filtered through him and his writers who, btw, like ALL the Trek shows.
Being someone whose watch Trek since the mid 70’s,and seen all the films (the first time)the good ones,and the bad ones too. I find this just typical of Bill’s ego. He’ll still be complaining next year when the film comes out. And in March or April of 09 when it hits DVD.
And God forbid if the new film flops,cause if it were to.
Then Bill would be crying”See,see. With out me it just doesn’t work!”
He’s always had an open contempt towards Star Trek,in the nearly 30 years since he’s done interviews.
He’s always trying to distance himself from Kirk. Now its literally being taken away from him.and his ego just wont stand for it.
But I still love the guy. Oh Bill.
#129 “those chiming in on a regular basis, rather than skipping these Shatner stories entirely, are predominantly Berman era fans adn they’re venting because their days are over. If they would at least admit their dislike for Kirk and TOS, at least the constant harsh opposition to the idea would make SOME kind of sense”
I’m a fan of Gene Roddenberry’s Star Trek, and whether you like it or not, that includes The Next Generation. As I have said before, I would love for Mr. Shatner to have a part in this film, but not at the expense of the bigger story to be told. There are no magical solutions to bring back Kirk, and I believe it is wholly unfair to even believe it is the duty of this film to make it happen.
I take issue with anyone who opposes the idea of this film simply because it doesn’t aim to “fix” a mistake made by Mr. Shatner in 1994, and that’s what I see on every board. It’s not fair to the creative team nor the new crew of the Enterprise who have to deal with shadows for the rest of their careers anyways.
Someone has to speak for them as many feel they have to speak for Mr. Shatner.
RE: #129 - It’s not a “must”, but IF you like TOS and if you like Kirk, then how can you possibly be against the idea, especially without having read the script or know the story? It boggles the mind.
I think you answered the question already…it’s not a must. The story of Mr. Shatner’s Kirk has been told and concluded, regardless of the outcome, it is done and he signing off on it. This is Mr. Pine’s Kirk tale, and time for us to get to know him as we did the original, that is only fair. The filmmakers have said if they can get Mr. Shatner in then they will, if not…they tried. That should be enough for all of us, but, some fans absolutely insist that the ONLY way this film will be any good or make any kind of money is by including Mr. Shatner.
That’s rather extreme and unrealistic, in my view.
138 - That would be “He signed off on it.” Sorry, it’s late.
OMG! Really man- stop whining. Your not in the movie- be happy for Leonard and move on.
The End.
Pike all the way. Yay.
Bill- relax. Give it up.
BTW, happy birthday to me. (10/29/ never mind the year)
Apparently, some did not “get it” the 1st time, soooo…..
Re: Shatner bashers: The observation was pointed at this forum, where too many posts either attempt to reduce the value of the actor or the character for no valid reason.
Re: venom shoved back down the throats of..
In short: anyone acting like a kid at Christmas over the idea of J.J. at the wheel (while taking what seems to be great joy at bashing Shatner and by association, his fans thinking his patrcipation is necessary–as witnessed in this forum ad infinitum), are likely building false hope–setting themselves up for a fall based on other work, and another audience (response) who may not like any part of Star Trek. In this way, should their false hope be dashed, that is the venom shoved down the throat, after all, they thought it was all such a great plan (especially without that “good-for-nothing egomaniac” Shatner).
Trek is an animal with serious problems in the wake of the failed Bermanverse, and J.J. is untested…but that does not stop certain fans from convincing themselves that its all going to be the rebirth to end all rebirths…yeah, but based on what?
That is the question–for all of the fairly blind support for a gang of Trek-untested people, such zeal makes little sense.
Further, the bashers who continue to believe Shatner is not required..how can they say this? Are they in on the scripting? Do they know without doubt that his character has no place…or does this just boil down to bashers simply living up to the title?
Would you prefer a TNG-based prequel?
Maybe the Trek producers saw Miss Congeniality 2 and decided that wasn’t the audience they were going for…
P.S. Trust CTV to mention the word ‘Canadian’ in their headline!! (see top)
YIPPEEE!!
More free publicity about Star Trek (2008).
#62 to Harlan. Kirk would be like Kenny on South Park, he could die and still come back for the next episode — “Kirk’s dead!!! You Bastards!!!!!!!—-
“#129 “those chiming in on a regular basis, rather than skipping these Shatner stories entirely, are predominantly Berman era fans adn they’re venting because their days are over. If they would at least admit their dislike for Kirk and TOS, at least the constant harsh opposition to the idea would make SOME kind of sense”
Yep.”
Nope. Bull, in fact.
I’ve been around this quadrant longer than most, and am second to none here in my love for TOS; certainly, not to self-righteous blowhards who would presume to tell me that I must “dislike Kirk” or prefer what Berman wrought simply because I question the notion that this film should include Shatner no matter what, at whatever the cost . Sheesh.
Kirk Jerked is a good one.
God knows its the truth.
Is the story so tight it can not include Shat?
Transformers sucks & so will this reboot if you shit
on the original source material.
Shatner is part of the TOS.
Just like Takei, Nichols & Koenig.
Look dudes from above not having these folks in the film,
just looks bad & is down right disrespectful.
Remember Frank Welker?
Sure you don’t Bob.
One more thing, tell JJ he might as well put Will Tippon in the movie.
And call it Shit Trek!
#141
Happy birthday!!
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
#139
THANK YOU!
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
JJ why don’t you just say Shatner is not in?
Its BS to have this drag out like you doing.
Show everyone that you don’t mind crapping
on the father of SCI FI television & movies.
To a lot of people Shatner needs to be Kirk again.
Its so simple.
This would also help your reboot to be validated.
If Shats not in, no repeat movie visits for me.
Shit I may even go to the theater.
Wait for my Bro to get a copy.
Or just stay pissed & never watch it.
You might end up pissing off more people then RICK BERMAN did!
#142 - That is the question–for all of the fairly blind support for a gang of Trek-untested people, such zeal makes little sense.
Some people just believe in giving chances without prejudice and without “conditions” (Such as “Mr. Shatner or Nothing at all!”) Bennett and Myer are a great example of untested talent breathing new life, why should Abrams and co get any less of a chance? Perhaps maybe….because of the Shatner controversy?
RE: #142 - Would you prefer a TNG-based prequel?
Why does everything lead back to TNG? Just because some people may not want Mr. Shatner does not mean they are Pro-TNG. For the record, yes, in another 25 years I wouldn’t mind a TNG based prequel.
BTW, I do agree, the personal physical attacks on Mr. Shatner are entirely unnecessary.
142. COMPASSIONATE GOD - October 29, 2007
Yea, we got it. You aren’t happy.
There’s no one here that hates Shatner, but some feel that he shouldn’t have helped kill Kirk. Others feel that he’s being insulting or egotisical. It’s their opinion, just like you have yours.
You don’t like TNG and beyond…got it.
You dislike Abrams… or at least question his ability to make this a good film…. got it.
What was missed?
I still hope they get the Shat.
Imagine how you all’d feel if packs of reporters every day were screaming at you “How’s it feel to not be in the stat trek movie?” “Hey Bill, how come they want Leonard and not you?” - that would get on my nerves too. If he said “No comment” we’d all be up in arms! He doesn’t care about Star Trek!
Give the guy a break and wait to see what happens. Bill, at this point it’s better to just say “I’d love to do it, but it’s not up to me.”
How’s this for an ending/cameo. Spock tweaks the time line, returnsd home, his doorbell rings… he walks to it… it opens, Shatner is there as Kirk… Spock says “Jim” and Kirk is in a flannel shirt and jeans with a packon is back says “Spock… I thought we were going camping?”
Better yet, before Spock leaves the past, he hands kirk a note ala “back to the future” -young Kirk opens it and it says “stay off the bridge on veridian 3″ or “on the Day of the Enterprise B’s dedication, don’t leave the bridge under any circumstances, send Harriman to engineering.
Voila! new timeline!
This is probably the last time that william shatner will be offered anything regarding trek and he again blew it, letting his ego and pride get in the way.. hey bill! how about one for the team???..”no thanks ” says shatner.. I’m sure they are nice folks but no thanks” Please dont ask “uncle jack” to star in trek or ask his opinion because you know what he is going to say. He dug his own grave in “generations ” (Pun Intended) and he can just stay there.
Here’s why I, for one, and others are excited about this new movie, Shatner or no Shatner:
“… And I say that they have hired a very talented director and very talented writers, and you have to turn them loose and let them make their movie. Okay? I have faith in these people … I think they’re going to invigorate the franchise. I really do, I believe that.”
Now, who said that? Leonard Nimoy, Comic Con, 8/12/07.
That’s good enuf for me.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
Prediction: when this thread is nearing 600 posts shatner will give a similar interview as he gave moviehole and the AP
153. Silhouette - October 29, 2007
“Yea, we got it. You aren’t happy.”
I never said anything of the sort, so that is a comment making little sense.
“There’s no one here that hates Shatner”
There are posts in several threads which say the opposite.
“but some feel that he shouldn’t have helped kill Kirk. Others feel that he’s being insulting or egotisical. It’s their opinion, just like you have yours.”
However, the anti-Shatner crowd seems to use much fire and venom when talking about the man, as though he would be the worst thing ever to participate in this Trek film, and/or attempt to belittle the actor or in some cases, his character–its all so irrational.
“You don’t like TNG and beyond…got it.”
I found some of TNG tolerable (when the New Agey/technobabble/psychobabble qualities did not ruin it), sometimes entertaining–DS9 to a lesser degree.
Voyager, Enterprise and 3 of the 4 TNG movies were absolute garbage.
“You dislike Abrams…”
Never even hinted at anythng of the sort, so this is way off-base.
“or at least question his ability to make this a good film…. got it.”
No, you do not get it. I question his ability in relation to the nonsensical hype/praise he’s receiving by certain Trek fans. At times, they will refer to liking/loving “Lost” and basing their faith on either personal or other audience response to the show, when that has nothing to do with the perception of Star Trek, or some guarantee of a transfer of popularity to the new film.
That is what was missed.
No Kirk no movie!
148
I hope you’re right and Star Trek ’sucks’ as bad as Transformers. Thanks!
Transformers rocked and so will the new movie
145
I know some still think this is some kind of publicity stunt. But do you really think JJA and Paramount want ‘Kirk Jerked’ headlines?
In fact right now they really dont want anything in the mainstream media beyond the fact that they are making a movie and it has young folks playing the TOS crew.
If the Shat ends up in the film…it wont mean that this was all BS. It will mean that they just took a long time to make up their minds.
However I do think that maybe Mr. Shatner should tone down the ‘unwise’ and ‘foolish’ comments….that cant be making any friends over at Paramount right now
Shatner or no Shatner I’ll be there Christmas day
#160
Right ON! Biggest ticket sales for a July 4th opening in movie history ($65.7 MILLION), 4.5 million DVDs sold this week alone.
Yeah, I too hope Trek XI sucks as bad as “Transformers.”
Hee hee!
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
#133
Let’s get something straight. While I AM a Berman-era fan depending on which show we’re talking about, I am also a TOS fan. I watched the show when it was originally aired. I like Shatner as Kirk in those shows. But his kind of ham-fisted acting is dated and tired. You sad people who can’t accept a new movie without Shatner waddling around looking like an overfed tick would ruin the restart of the franchise. Shatner isn’t a star these days, he’s a parody of himself. Just because he’s making good money at it doesn’t mean he’s a good actor. What stupid logic!
#165. Overfed tick?
Wow, that actually had me laughing for a while.
But honestly, I enjoy his style of acting because it’s quite similar to theatrical acting. At that time, CG effects weren’t prominent, and all the show had to go on was Shat’s and Nimoy’s indredible acting abilities and curious interrelationships.
But Shatner ruin the franchise? That’s not true in the slightest…just because he doesn’t have a sleek, muscular shirtless chest and a bunch of hot babes chasing after him doesn’t mean he’s any less of the Captain Kirk he used to be.
I guess in a sense, you’re right. His acting style is outdated and he isn’t quite as popular as he used to be…but isn’t the entire point of reusing Kirk and Spock and TOS….to excite people who are already fans of Star Trek and already know all about Shatner?
Honestly…how many are secretly holding out hope that Shatner will appear as a suprise in Star Trek XI…and will be horribly dissapointed if he fails to do so?
Ah, maybe it is just good old fashioned pride with His Shatnerness - the only thing I can glean is that there were initial conversations which didn’t work out very well and now he is publically stating that he wants in, but with a meaty part.
Unless it’s all a big smoke screen (I’m steadily moving towards thinking not) then he hasn’t been written a big part, but is now reduced to a cameo at best, which maybe gets him a seat at the premier and a complementary T shirt.
So unless there is a ’script B’ then there’s actually very little point in all this public posturing. Maybe there is no such thing as bad publicity but I’m not enjoying these headlines now. The film needs publicity in 422 days, not right this minute, so it must be Shatner that needs the publicity.
Dennis is right, the silence, not just from the cast but the production team as a whole, is quite telling.
There are two possibilities, they are unwilling to respond, they are unable to respond. If it’s A then it’s all done and they just want him to go away. If it’s B then they are still in negotiation or under some form of NDA about contractual talks. It FEELS like A but who knows?
Of course it just *could* just be the chamber’s coil…
#165 - Queefer
The man is 76 years old. I don’t understand how you can talk about him “waddling around and looking like an overfed tick.” How do you feel justified in saying something this cruel? Do you commonly say these sorts of things to people? How do they react? I’m truly sorry that you have such harsh feelings about others. I wish I could help you.
Kirok fan help yourself. Those descriptions of Shatner are completely acurate and don’t try to make us feel guilty. So Shatners not to old to kick butt on the big screen again, but is too old for us to make fun of. Nice try.
Still Have the theory that if Leonard had said No! which was really possible then they would have adjusted the story and gone with Bill. Seems logical.
Really happy Leonard is in the film.
I just wish it could have been both of them, as this is the last chance. I will be sad watching the Movie with No William Shatner.
The News was in the papers in the UK yesterday.
#160,
So this means all the original characters will have few lines in the film?
You should just make the enterprise a big flying GM product.
Or just make Spock a Camaro.
Better yet just have all the crew fall out of the sky with no explanation what so ever. Less is more in Hollywood I guess.
Shatner doesn’t seem to get that business decisions cannot dictate story decisions.
Which is funny, because if his boss had let the biz dictate how Star Trek worked, Shatner never would have passed the status of the dime-a-dozen TV actor.
It is unfortunate he is whining so much.
ON THE OTHER HAND, if I were him, with the deep love for Star Trek I’m sure he feels (I know I do), and I was *this close* to getting to play Captain freaking Kirk in a new movie… I’d feel pretty let down to lose out, too. So I don’t blame him.
But I do wish he’d stop.
I thought Kirk died in “Generations” ;-)
So it makes sense to me that he isn’t in the movie….
169 - odo19
???
I don’t see how someone could say what you guys are saying and not feel guilty.
#5 GraniteTrek
Big BUMP!
#62 Harlan
Bump!
All I have to add is that I do not personally take it as a given that the end of Generations is necessarily undoable. However, I believe that it would be a challenge, and to attempt it while at the same time launching a new cast would more than likely sink the movie. The only way would be to make the film an epic, clocking in at 2.5 to 3 hours (like Staw Wars Episode III), but that is surely not a risk Paramount is willing to foot the bill for (Ha! Foot the BILL!) at this tender stage in the franchise’s life.
#86 Harlan
So sad, and so true. Look at what finally getting Riker and Troi together in Nemesis did. It just added to the extreme cheesiness (of course, the main reasons why that movie sucked were other things, like the Picard clone and his ridiculous rise from Reman slavehood… stupid, stupid, stupid!).
Queefer Bukkake: Please change your name. It makes me cringe every time!
Finally, jonbloc, Staner_Fan_2000, and COMPASSIONATE GOD:
Your assertions that the so-called “anti-Shatner” camp are all merely pro-Berman is preposterous. First of all, those who are now opposed to having Shatner in the movie are not a unified camp — there are many different reasons cited, from what I have read. Second, there is no conspiracy — I have not read any specifically pro-B&B posts. The closest you get to that is people who, like me, think that *some* B&B stuff is good; however, most of those think, like me, that they had their day and even wore out their welcome, and now it’s time for some new minds at the helm of the franchise.
The reality is as simple as this:
(1 - premise) There can be no satisfactory appearance of Old Kirk without addressing hid death in Generations.
(2 - premise) Resolving Kirk’s death cannot be accomplished in a satisfactory way without integrating it as a substantial and coherent element in the script; anything else would be cheap and perfunctory, and in this I agree with Shatner on refusing a cameo.
(3 - premise) The script as it has been written and green-lighted for production on the eve of shooting does not include a resolution to Kirk’s death.
(4 - conclusion) Therefore, putting Old Kirk in now would be a mistake, given the state of the Franchise and the financial risk TPTB are willing to assume for this project, as I describe above in response to #62 Harlan.
169 - odo19
I also don’t think I said anything about how Shatner should “kick butt on the big screen again.” When you read over what I did say, I think you’ll notice that I didn’t say anything about him kicking butt. Again, he is 76 years old.
In fact, one thing that has always bugged me about some of the movies is that Kirk should be allowed to show his age, and does not need to be running around and fighting as much as he does.
By the way, you guys who are mocking him about being fat and over-the-hill are actually helping him make money. Listen to “Has Been” on his recent album and you’ll understand. It was inspired by these sorts of criticisms.
165 – Queefer
Another thing about Shatner…
You state that his ham-fisted acting is dated. In a way, you are correct. His acting in The Original Series is dated.
But, you seem to use this as a criticism of him. It should be quite the opposite. In other words, the fact that it is dated explains why it is ham-fisted. It was filmed in the sixties. Sit down and watch some TV shows that were filmed in the sixties and early seventies. You’ll see that overacting was widespread. As the years have gone by, the style of acting we see most often has changed. In more recent times, it is even cool to underact. A character will be within an inch of being blown to smithereens, and will simply smile and make some sort of snappy comment.
Look at Shatner’s acting in the Star Trek: The Motion Picture, or The Wrath of Khan. I think you’ll see that he wasn’t as over-the-top.
He’s also won a couple of Emmy awards. I don’t suppose that means anything though, does it?
What I laugh at most when I watch TOS is the way Kirk will grab a guy, throw him to the ground, and the guy will immediately be unconscious! That would not go over well nowadays.
I have to give Shatner credit. He has been mocked and made fun of so much over the decades. Did he respond with anger? No, he took it in good humor, and even joined in and made fun of himself (Airplane II, Free Enterprise, Boston Legal). And now he gets criticized for being a parody of himself. I would say “you just can’t win,” except that he clearly is winning.
Sebi Yes Kirk died in Generations, but Spock would have found a way!
That’s why I can’t accept Generations ending, its one of the reasons Nimoy did not want anything to do with it!
This needs fixing. As fans they should know that.
Dear Mr. Orci,
I’m just curious. Regardless of Start Trek 11, just let’s ignore the story of the movie. If a producer would come to you to ask you to create a story about Captain Kirks return, what would one of your ideas be? How would you bring back old Kirk? What would one of your ideas for such a story be?
There are a lot of ways to bring back Kirk and undo Generations. But many of them would be cumbersome and probably would not belong in this movie. If the rumors are true and this is a time travel story, then the Older Kirk can be alive at the end without any explanation needed other than the butterfly effect, which is a consequence of almost any time travel story.
I must admit it is a story problem. But I have faith that the team behind the movie can put something together. They’ve done it before on Alias. And from what I’ve heard, the Libby character will be appearing on Lost again, even though she’s dead. It can be done, but it has to be done carefully.
I think it is worth doing, and I think the team behind this movie agree, which is why they’ve said that they are desperately working on a way to involve him.
I suspect that something will probably get worked out. If the final decision had been made to keep Shatner out of the movie, I think we would have heard about it from JJ. They do have a built-in excuse: Kirk is dead. Also, if it were final that he won’t appear in the movie, I think Shatner would be reacting differently.
But what I wonder is…
If things don’t get sorted out quickly, will he have enough time to grow his sideburns? He forgot to grow them for Generations, and had to use fake ones.
They didn’t inclulde Shatner because it didnt fit the story (plus old Kirk is dead). What would have been TRULY foolish is if they had included Shatner just for the sake of including him.
He isnt handeling this very gracefully with this continiuing bitching. Shame I have to say it but it’s how i feel: Shatner, STFU already.
I’m not one of the people who show so little respect for Shatner as to call him “old and fat”. But I do recognize that he looks markedly different now than he did in Generations, and that is a problem.
The Butterfly Effect you cite is insufficient, in my opinion, to address the problem of Kirk’s return to the screen — I don’t say resuscitation or rebirth, because I gather you are suggesting a case where an alteration in timeline makes it so that he was never swallowed up by the Nexus in the first place. I say it is insufficient because that leaves undone the resolution of how to prevent Soran from using the Nexus in the way he did such that the Enterprise-D is destroyed with no survivors. At best, this Butterfly Effect would have to show that not only does Kirk not get swallowed up in the Nexus, but Soran doesn’t engage in his villainous scheme either.
And I don’t think there’s a single person here who wants to mess around with that.
One last thing before I go to bed…
In light of all this debate, I think it might be interesting to consider what Shatner said in his book about how he and Nimoy would negotiate with the studio:
Years earlier, during the original run of the TV series, Leonard’s lawyers and my lawyers actually got together and drew up a favored-nation clause, which remained in effect throughout all of our Star Trek projects, and basically stated that whatever Leonard got, I got, and vice versa. With that in mind, whenever one of us entered into Star Trek negotiations, the other was unknowingly dragged along for the ride, and in time, we both learned how to manipulate the situation pretty well.
For example, thanks to that favored-nation clause, there was no need for both of us to hire a gaggle of attorneys and agents and jump into the lion’s den with every new Star Trek project. Instead, we could simply play good-cop/bad-cop. One of us would take a hard stand with the studio, while the other just sort of smiled and said “Well, I’m not looking to make any waves, but I think my friend is really going to take a hard stand this time. I think you’re really going to have to give in to his demands.” Ten minutes later, we’d of course call each other, offering advice and support, and conspiring as to the plan of action that would prove most successful in our quest. With each successive Star Trek film, we alternated as the troublemaker, and when Star Trek IV came around, it was simply my turn in the barrel. Additionally, although Leonard could never openly support my battle (and in this instance he even helped my cause by publicly feigning annoyance with my fight, urging the studio and me to come to terms with a minimum of delay), he was nonetheless fully aware and supportive of my efforts. He would ultimately return the favor on Star Trek V. (page 244 of Star Trek: Movie Memories)
What do you guys make of this?
At the very least, it shows that these negotiations sometimes involve manipulation and playing the “bad-cop”. It has happened before, so it is unlikely that Shatner’s recent dissatisfaction is going to piss off TPTB so much that it causes him to get left out of the project. I think everyone involved in