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	<title>Comments on: Details Revealed On &#8220;Star Trek The Beginning&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Randy Archer</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/10/31/details-revealed-on-star-trek-the-beginning/comment-page-2/#comment-1443637</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this were ever produced.....Gene Rodenberry would role over in his grave!! Or rather his ashes would be rolling over in space!</description>
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		<title>By: Joseph Brown</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/10/31/details-revealed-on-star-trek-the-beginning/comment-page-2/#comment-277620</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, my first post was #43 not #41.  Another thing now that I think of it, some of the starships that were near Earth in a few episodes of Enterprise could have been UESN ships and not Starfleet ships because I don&#039;t think it was clearly stated or shown that all of those ships were Starfleet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, my first post was #43 not #41.  Another thing now that I think of it, some of the starships that were near Earth in a few episodes of Enterprise could have been UESN ships and not Starfleet ships because I don&#8217;t think it was clearly stated or shown that all of those ships were Starfleet.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Brown</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/10/31/details-revealed-on-star-trek-the-beginning/comment-page-2/#comment-276918</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In post #41, I wrote that having the Coalition of Planets already formed and a warp 8 ship seemed to go against canon.  However, after doing some looking on memory-alpha.com and rewatching &quot;Terra Prime&quot; and &quot;These Are The Voyages&quot; (TATV), I&#039;ve realized that canon may not have been violated.  All the talk about the Coalition of Planets was vague enough to allow it to have been formed before 2159.  In fact, we may have witnessed its founding meeting at the end of &quot;Terra Prime&quot;.  As far as the warp 8 NX-Omega goes, the fact that it goes by a registry rather than by a name suggests that this is simply a test vehicle while the warp 7 ships spoken about in TATV were clearly starships.  Also,  some more evidence of the NX-Omega being a test vehicle are NX-Alpha, NX-Beta, and NX-Delta which were all either shown or referred to in &quot;First Flight&quot;.  

There&#039;s also another feature of Star Trek: The Beginning that while I didn&#039;t post anything, I thought seemed to violate canon was the existence of United Earth Stellar Navy (UESN).  However, again, upon further thought, I realized there was a reasonable explanation why it wasn&#039;t mentioned or shown during Enterprise (especially during the Xindi Crisis), Malcolm Reed didn&#039;t join it instead of Starfleet, and why it would start being mentioned during the Earth-Romulan War.  My explanation is simply that before the Xindi attack the UESN was quite small compared to Starfleet and was more or less just a planetary defense force guarding Earth from alien attack and lacked any engines which would go above warp 3 thusly making the UESN unable to help search for the Xindi weapon.  After the Xindi attack, it was realized that the UESN was far too weak to defend Earth and thusly a large effort was made to strengthen the UESN.  However,  the creation of the Coalition of Planets would take place during this same time and this would cause talk about merging the UESN with Starfleet.  Now, this is just an educated guess but this explanation works.  I&#039;ll admit that I&#039;m not sure how wise it would be to try to shoehorn the UESN into canon, but it can be done relatively smoothly.  In fact, the existence of the UESN might explain the large gap between the mothballing of the Enterprise (NX-01) in 2161 and the planning of the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) which would have occured no earlier than 2240 (assuming the 1701 was first launched in 2245) by having the UESN not merge into Starfleet immediately after the creation of the Federation and having the UESN name a ship Enterprise at some point during the gap.

Saying all this, there is a problem with canon and that would be Shran leading the Andorian forces.  In TATV which occured in 2161, Shran had faked his death about 3 years before which would be around 2158.  Plus, it should be assumed Shran left the Andorian Imperial Guard around a year before faking his death so that would make the year most likely to be 2157.  Now, The Beginning has the Earth-Romulan War start in 2159, so, there&#039;s no way Shran should be leading the Andorians.  The simple solution would simply be to change the year the movie occurs in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In post #41, I wrote that having the Coalition of Planets already formed and a warp 8 ship seemed to go against canon.  However, after doing some looking on memory-alpha.com and rewatching &#8220;Terra Prime&#8221; and &#8220;These Are The Voyages&#8221; (TATV), I&#8217;ve realized that canon may not have been violated.  All the talk about the Coalition of Planets was vague enough to allow it to have been formed before 2159.  In fact, we may have witnessed its founding meeting at the end of &#8220;Terra Prime&#8221;.  As far as the warp 8 NX-Omega goes, the fact that it goes by a registry rather than by a name suggests that this is simply a test vehicle while the warp 7 ships spoken about in TATV were clearly starships.  Also,  some more evidence of the NX-Omega being a test vehicle are NX-Alpha, NX-Beta, and NX-Delta which were all either shown or referred to in &#8220;First Flight&#8221;.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also another feature of Star Trek: The Beginning that while I didn&#8217;t post anything, I thought seemed to violate canon was the existence of United Earth Stellar Navy (UESN).  However, again, upon further thought, I realized there was a reasonable explanation why it wasn&#8217;t mentioned or shown during Enterprise (especially during the Xindi Crisis), Malcolm Reed didn&#8217;t join it instead of Starfleet, and why it would start being mentioned during the Earth-Romulan War.  My explanation is simply that before the Xindi attack the UESN was quite small compared to Starfleet and was more or less just a planetary defense force guarding Earth from alien attack and lacked any engines which would go above warp 3 thusly making the UESN unable to help search for the Xindi weapon.  After the Xindi attack, it was realized that the UESN was far too weak to defend Earth and thusly a large effort was made to strengthen the UESN.  However,  the creation of the Coalition of Planets would take place during this same time and this would cause talk about merging the UESN with Starfleet.  Now, this is just an educated guess but this explanation works.  I&#8217;ll admit that I&#8217;m not sure how wise it would be to try to shoehorn the UESN into canon, but it can be done relatively smoothly.  In fact, the existence of the UESN might explain the large gap between the mothballing of the Enterprise (NX-01) in 2161 and the planning of the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) which would have occured no earlier than 2240 (assuming the 1701 was first launched in 2245) by having the UESN not merge into Starfleet immediately after the creation of the Federation and having the UESN name a ship Enterprise at some point during the gap.</p>
<p>Saying all this, there is a problem with canon and that would be Shran leading the Andorian forces.  In TATV which occured in 2161, Shran had faked his death about 3 years before which would be around 2158.  Plus, it should be assumed Shran left the Andorian Imperial Guard around a year before faking his death so that would make the year most likely to be 2157.  Now, The Beginning has the Earth-Romulan War start in 2159, so, there&#8217;s no way Shran should be leading the Andorians.  The simple solution would simply be to change the year the movie occurs in.</p>
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		<title>By: steve adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AI, I want to say that if done right it could work..
^
I also liked your comment on the writers strike, why don&#039;t they just write crap. 
^
Very well done but I think fans would have loved to see Kirks dad establish the Cannon we all are without. 
^
Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AI, I want to say that if done right it could work..<br />
^<br />
I also liked your comment on the writers strike, why don&#8217;t they just write crap.<br />
^<br />
Very well done but I think fans would have loved to see Kirks dad establish the Cannon we all are without.<br />
^<br />
Steve</p>
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		<title>By: atsteve adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>atsteve adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the old regime...
This &quot;outline&quot; for a new trek sounds great. An outline like this would then be handed to about 7 writers that would build upon it.. If done right it could be a good series.
^
Myself, I was hoping we could all enjoy seeing a Treks series that took place after the events of Ds9 and Voyager. 
^
But it seems I&#039;m outnumbered by those that can&#039;t live without there beloved kirk and Spock.     
^
If this new trek vision is a starfleet academy type story it will explode in Paramounts face negative box-office results. To think that having the film set in a academy setting will bring in new fans is pure stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the old regime&#8230;<br />
This &#8220;outline&#8221; for a new trek sounds great. An outline like this would then be handed to about 7 writers that would build upon it.. If done right it could be a good series.<br />
^<br />
Myself, I was hoping we could all enjoy seeing a Treks series that took place after the events of Ds9 and Voyager.<br />
^<br />
But it seems I&#8217;m outnumbered by those that can&#8217;t live without there beloved kirk and Spock.<br />
^<br />
If this new trek vision is a starfleet academy type story it will explode in Paramounts face negative box-office results. To think that having the film set in a academy setting will bring in new fans is pure stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Decker's Stubble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Decker's Stubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#65 - yeah, my eyes rolled when I read that. Pretty dumb. Having anti-alien fanatics is one thing, and quite imaginable, but having them hiding out in some Legion of Doom-type headquarters with posters of Hitler on the walls is pretty asinine. What is the Star Trek fascination with Nazis?

Apart from all that, I would be interested in seeing a movie, series, or mini-series about the Romulan War. By all accounts, it was very brutal. If they take a Battlestar Galactica approach to it rather than than the squeaky-clean TNG style, it would be very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#65 &#8211; yeah, my eyes rolled when I read that. Pretty dumb. Having anti-alien fanatics is one thing, and quite imaginable, but having them hiding out in some Legion of Doom-type headquarters with posters of Hitler on the walls is pretty asinine. What is the Star Trek fascination with Nazis?</p>
<p>Apart from all that, I would be interested in seeing a movie, series, or mini-series about the Romulan War. By all accounts, it was very brutal. If they take a Battlestar Galactica approach to it rather than than the squeaky-clean TNG style, it would be very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernd Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernd Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nazi Antarctica Base. What an utter bull$hit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nazi Antarctica Base. What an utter bull$hit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble with so many of these concepts is that they can turn into films or shows &#039;about&#039; Star Trek, rather than just be Star Trek shows.

When a &#039;universe&#039; gets as big and (mostly) interesting as Trek&#039;s it&#039;s easy to get lost in the details of  the place rather than look at the what the idea of Trek is about. Increasingly Trek fell into self-referential territory. 

It&#039;s a bit like taking a journey with a destination in mind, but stopping off along the way, getting caught up in things and forgetting you still have to get somewhere!

Enterprise fell into this trap, as did the TNG films. Even STV and STVI did a little bit. JJ Abram&#039;s film is treading that thin line between making a film about the origins of the TOS crew ***and*** telling a rollicking good Star Trek story! TWOK was a great example of expanding the mythology of Trek without alienating the uninitiated - when I was a kid, I hadn&#039;t seen Space Seed, but TWOK still made perfect sense!

If anyone can do it Abrams and his team can! Look at how they set up the whole concept of Alias and introduced all the characters in the space of a sixty-three minute pilot show!! Same goes for the superb opening episode of Lost!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with so many of these concepts is that they can turn into films or shows &#8216;about&#8217; Star Trek, rather than just be Star Trek shows.</p>
<p>When a &#8216;universe&#8217; gets as big and (mostly) interesting as Trek&#8217;s it&#8217;s easy to get lost in the details of  the place rather than look at the what the idea of Trek is about. Increasingly Trek fell into self-referential territory. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit like taking a journey with a destination in mind, but stopping off along the way, getting caught up in things and forgetting you still have to get somewhere!</p>
<p>Enterprise fell into this trap, as did the TNG films. Even STV and STVI did a little bit. JJ Abram&#8217;s film is treading that thin line between making a film about the origins of the TOS crew ***and*** telling a rollicking good Star Trek story! TWOK was a great example of expanding the mythology of Trek without alienating the uninitiated &#8211; when I was a kid, I hadn&#8217;t seen Space Seed, but TWOK still made perfect sense!</p>
<p>If anyone can do it Abrams and his team can! Look at how they set up the whole concept of Alias and introduced all the characters in the space of a sixty-three minute pilot show!! Same goes for the superb opening episode of Lost!</p>
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		<title>By: GraniteTrek</title>
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		<dc:creator>GraniteTrek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like someone took their own version of Star Wars or Starship Troopers and grafted Star Trek alien names on it.  There was nothing Star Trek in that story, it was a generic war story that would have played the same way if you substituted &quot;Martians&quot; for Romulans (for example).  So glad this movie didn&#039;t happen - well, it did, but it was called &quot;Starship Troopers&quot; (and again as &quot;Attack of The Clones&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like someone took their own version of Star Wars or Starship Troopers and grafted Star Trek alien names on it.  There was nothing Star Trek in that story, it was a generic war story that would have played the same way if you substituted &#8220;Martians&#8221; for Romulans (for example).  So glad this movie didn&#8217;t happen &#8211; well, it did, but it was called &#8220;Starship Troopers&#8221; (and again as &#8220;Attack of The Clones&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Dansk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dansk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was absolutely terrible.  I would deny any knowledge of something called Star Trek if that&#039;s what the franchise chose to associate itself with.

God that was awful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was absolutely terrible.  I would deny any knowledge of something called Star Trek if that&#8217;s what the franchise chose to associate itself with.</p>
<p>God that was awful.</p>
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