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	<title>Comments on: Nimoy Responds To Shatner&#8217;s Recent Comments</title>
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		<title>By: Anthony Pascale</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/11/14/nimoy-responds-to-shatners-recent-comments/comment-page-8/#comment-294732</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Pascale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats enough</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats enough</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/11/14/nimoy-responds-to-shatners-recent-comments/comment-page-7/#comment-294614</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you understand that....probably not with the knows and the hes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you understand that&#8230;.probably not with the knows and the hes</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/11/14/nimoy-responds-to-shatners-recent-comments/comment-page-7/#comment-294571</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think after all this I would be rather turned off to the movie if Shatner was in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think after all this I would be rather turned off to the movie if Shatner was in it.</p>
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		<title>By: S. John Ross</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/11/14/nimoy-responds-to-shatners-recent-comments/comment-page-7/#comment-294563</link>
		<dc:creator>S. John Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people didn&#039;t seem to notice that in post #6 I was _agreeing_ with Nimoy&#039;s sentiment, just poking fun at his particular choice of handwaving explanation.

I think Kirk&#039;s exclusion needs no explanation at all beyond &quot;It would have been very difficult.&quot; I&#039;d like to see them squeeze the big guy in there too, but I see a hundred reasons why he isn&#039;t there and they&#039;re all real-world reasons, none of them require examining the canon.

If a diplomatic handwave must be offered, there are lots of real-world directions in which to wave the hand. For example, the &quot;ensemble factor:&quot; as it is, they have a big Spock storyline wrapped around a Kirk origin that also serves (presumably) as an origin for the crew as a whole ... Which means giving the Shat more than a cameo would ultimately rob screen time from some of these other characters, in a movie that&#039;s already going to be crowded.

But again, to be clear: I AGREE with Nimoy; I just think his explanation deserved the poke. And I still do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people didn&#8217;t seem to notice that in post #6 I was _agreeing_ with Nimoy&#8217;s sentiment, just poking fun at his particular choice of handwaving explanation.</p>
<p>I think Kirk&#8217;s exclusion needs no explanation at all beyond &#8220;It would have been very difficult.&#8221; I&#8217;d like to see them squeeze the big guy in there too, but I see a hundred reasons why he isn&#8217;t there and they&#8217;re all real-world reasons, none of them require examining the canon.</p>
<p>If a diplomatic handwave must be offered, there are lots of real-world directions in which to wave the hand. For example, the &#8220;ensemble factor:&#8221; as it is, they have a big Spock storyline wrapped around a Kirk origin that also serves (presumably) as an origin for the crew as a whole &#8230; Which means giving the Shat more than a cameo would ultimately rob screen time from some of these other characters, in a movie that&#8217;s already going to be crowded.</p>
<p>But again, to be clear: I AGREE with Nimoy; I just think his explanation deserved the poke. And I still do.</p>
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		<title>By: I AM THX-1138</title>
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		<dc:creator>I AM THX-1138</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You haven&#039;t taken the time to listen to the WoK commentary, have you A?  

And also, just because the person you called a liar isn&#039;t here to argue with you anymore does not make you right for calling them that.  

You are a flamer.  You are here, seemingly, to stir up an argument.  You do not back up any of your arguments with facts and elect to paraphrase people&#039;s comments into small quotes that you can debate without taking into account the body of what they are trying to say.  As was mentioned before, your logic is specious at best and your stubbornness to reply in a cogent manner marks you as (yes, I&#039;ll say it again) obtuse.  A lot of intelligent people on this site have been patient with you and have tried to get you to see things from a broader perspective.  You have responded with name calling and circular arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You haven&#8217;t taken the time to listen to the WoK commentary, have you A?  </p>
<p>And also, just because the person you called a liar isn&#8217;t here to argue with you anymore does not make you right for calling them that.  </p>
<p>You are a flamer.  You are here, seemingly, to stir up an argument.  You do not back up any of your arguments with facts and elect to paraphrase people&#8217;s comments into small quotes that you can debate without taking into account the body of what they are trying to say.  As was mentioned before, your logic is specious at best and your stubbornness to reply in a cogent manner marks you as (yes, I&#8217;ll say it again) obtuse.  A lot of intelligent people on this site have been patient with you and have tried to get you to see things from a broader perspective.  You have responded with name calling and circular arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Xai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>341. A. - November 15, 2007
You do a fine job arguing by yourself.
I made a statement, even when it was not directed at you, you responded. And then tried to blend my statement into this rant you have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>341. A. &#8211; November 15, 2007<br />
You do a fine job arguing by yourself.<br />
I made a statement, even when it was not directed at you, you responded. And then tried to blend my statement into this rant you have.</p>
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		<title>By: A.</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/11/14/nimoy-responds-to-shatners-recent-comments/comment-page-7/#comment-294496</link>
		<dc:creator>A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A difficult actor is also someone who requires take after take after take after take after take to get the scene right. Good actors actually listen to and at least attempt to follow the direction they’re given.

The Vulcanista, you are assuming Shatner didn’t listen and attempt.  Clearly is well sought after actor.  You don&#039;t get to where he is by being &quot;difficult.&quot;
Indeed it is unreasonable to assume he didn’t listen or attempt.   You are also assuming Meyer is not a “difficult” director, no matter how you define it.  Kubrick as a notoriously “difficult” (your definition, not mine) director with endless takes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A difficult actor is also someone who requires take after take after take after take after take to get the scene right. Good actors actually listen to and at least attempt to follow the direction they’re given.</p>
<p>The Vulcanista, you are assuming Shatner didn’t listen and attempt.  Clearly is well sought after actor.  You don&#8217;t get to where he is by being &#8220;difficult.&#8221;<br />
Indeed it is unreasonable to assume he didn’t listen or attempt.   You are also assuming Meyer is not a “difficult” director, no matter how you define it.  Kubrick as a notoriously “difficult” (your definition, not mine) director with endless takes.</p>
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		<title>By: A.</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/11/14/nimoy-responds-to-shatners-recent-comments/comment-page-7/#comment-294476</link>
		<dc:creator>A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather have either several of the original cast, or none.  It seems &quot;logical&quot; to either have both Nimoy and Shatner or neither.  Certainly no cameos, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather have either several of the original cast, or none.  It seems &#8220;logical&#8221; to either have both Nimoy and Shatner or neither.  Certainly no cameos, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: reptileboy</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/11/14/nimoy-responds-to-shatners-recent-comments/comment-page-7/#comment-294471</link>
		<dc:creator>reptileboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#340.

It would probably make more sense for Spock to have made the trip back in time prior to the events of Picards encounter with The Nexus. Remember, from Spock&#039;s viewpoint, Kirk died 78 years when the Enterprise D shows up. Surely Spock would have made the attempt sometime in the intervening years?

Time travel is not entirely an exact science in Star Trek. If it were, then we&#039;d have lost a lot of really great stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#340.</p>
<p>It would probably make more sense for Spock to have made the trip back in time prior to the events of Picards encounter with The Nexus. Remember, from Spock&#8217;s viewpoint, Kirk died 78 years when the Enterprise D shows up. Surely Spock would have made the attempt sometime in the intervening years?</p>
<p>Time travel is not entirely an exact science in Star Trek. If it were, then we&#8217;d have lost a lot of really great stories.</p>
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		<title>By: A.</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2007/11/14/nimoy-responds-to-shatners-recent-comments/comment-page-7/#comment-294458</link>
		<dc:creator>A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think it is more the vitriolic accusations that those who suggest such a thing are “liars” that makes it important to people. If we could all be more civil, this would probably have ended a while ago.&quot;

Likely not (ended).  You see, the person I called that, isn&#039;t even arguing the issue.  It is others who also seem to dislike Shatner.
 Again you could smell the &quot;anti shatner&quot; attitude a mile away which is why he claimed Meyer said Shatner was &quot;difficult.&quot;  Again Meyer did not say that.  He talked about difficulties during filming which is normal.  Listen to any film maker and they will speak of this often.  Every film has its challenges and difficulties.  That does not equate the actor or director being difficult.
Hey, if you hate shatner, I don&#039;t care.  We all have opinions.   But I do care if you offer false evidence which is how this thread took off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think it is more the vitriolic accusations that those who suggest such a thing are “liars” that makes it important to people. If we could all be more civil, this would probably have ended a while ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>Likely not (ended).  You see, the person I called that, isn&#8217;t even arguing the issue.  It is others who also seem to dislike Shatner.<br />
 Again you could smell the &#8220;anti shatner&#8221; attitude a mile away which is why he claimed Meyer said Shatner was &#8220;difficult.&#8221;  Again Meyer did not say that.  He talked about difficulties during filming which is normal.  Listen to any film maker and they will speak of this often.  Every film has its challenges and difficulties.  That does not equate the actor or director being difficult.<br />
Hey, if you hate shatner, I don&#8217;t care.  We all have opinions.   But I do care if you offer false evidence which is how this thread took off.</p>
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