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	<title>Comments on: Takei Trashes Paramount, Enterprise and DS9</title>
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		<title>By: prolan5</title>
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		<dc:creator>prolan5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Neville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy...not this again!

George HAD a Excelsior show in the PS2/XBOX game Star Trek: Shattered Universe, in which you play a starfighter pilot on board the Excelsior as it travels through the Mirror Universe kicking butt all the way to a dimension point that will take the Excelsior back to the late 23rd Century. The game-which I did play, and get SOME enjoyment out of-was not that great, and didn&#039;t do well (maybe the makers should have got Chris &amp; Erin Roberts to port over the game engine used in Starlancer, or maybe just make over Starlancer into Shattered Universe.) As for DS9 not being really Star Trek-like: I&#039;m sorry, but Gene had too much of a Pollyanna vision in his declining years, and this made Next Generation a bit too silly for most fans, resulting in DS9. 

Frankly, I think Gene should have just contributed the basic outline for Next Generation, and left the funning of the show to David Gerrold, Dorothy Fontana, and Michael Piller, settling for an older statesman role overseeing the show-it would have saved his health considerably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy&#8230;not this again!</p>
<p>George HAD a Excelsior show in the PS2/XBOX game Star Trek: Shattered Universe, in which you play a starfighter pilot on board the Excelsior as it travels through the Mirror Universe kicking butt all the way to a dimension point that will take the Excelsior back to the late 23rd Century. The game-which I did play, and get SOME enjoyment out of-was not that great, and didn&#8217;t do well (maybe the makers should have got Chris &amp; Erin Roberts to port over the game engine used in Starlancer, or maybe just make over Starlancer into Shattered Universe.) As for DS9 not being really Star Trek-like: I&#8217;m sorry, but Gene had too much of a Pollyanna vision in his declining years, and this made Next Generation a bit too silly for most fans, resulting in DS9. </p>
<p>Frankly, I think Gene should have just contributed the basic outline for Next Generation, and left the funning of the show to David Gerrold, Dorothy Fontana, and Michael Piller, settling for an older statesman role overseeing the show-it would have saved his health considerably.</p>
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		<title>By: Oztrek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oztrek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, and here is me thinking this was &quot;Star Trek&quot; fan site.

Apparently its a &quot;Criticise the Star Trek Series You Don&#039;t Like&quot; fan site. Maybe I don&#039;t belong...  I like &#039;em all. Still it is an interesting read... terrans are so passionate.

Living briefly and going broke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, and here is me thinking this was &#8220;Star Trek&#8221; fan site.</p>
<p>Apparently its a &#8220;Criticise the Star Trek Series You Don&#8217;t Like&#8221; fan site. Maybe I don&#8217;t belong&#8230;  I like &#8216;em all. Still it is an interesting read&#8230; terrans are so passionate.</p>
<p>Living briefly and going broke.</p>
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		<title>By: TomBot2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomBot2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sour grapes make the BEST whine!!!! :-P  Heh, heh. Just kidding. How can you all take this sooo seriously? I admit it is fun to mull over though. Would Excelsior made a good series? Who knows for really, maybe in an alternate reality, it WAS made. ;-) Frankly, I NEVER liked the Excelsior; was immensely happy when Scotty gummed up it&#039;s ugly ass plumbing. Yuck. Captain Sulu on a regular basis? I don&#039;t know. I guess I mostly agree that Takei while a decent actor, doesn&#039;t have the charisma necessary for that.
The dissing on DS9 is in some ways understandable, even at times, I had some hate for that show, but really, it did have more character depth, even if some of it led to excessive scenery chewing. This war of ideologies will never end I suppose, so I just vow to never take it too close to heart. If I espoused that Enterprise failed totally because of Bakula, I&#039;m sure someone&#039;s screw would come loose... Heh, heh. Let me be clear on that; I&#039;m not, although, I did feel Trip was more interesting than Archer, lil doggie not withstanding. 
Anyhoo, George Takei is entitled to his opinion, and my opinion is Excelsior was doomed for the various reasons already stated...
Been an interesting read... carry on. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sour grapes make the BEST whine!!!! :-P  Heh, heh. Just kidding. How can you all take this sooo seriously? I admit it is fun to mull over though. Would Excelsior made a good series? Who knows for really, maybe in an alternate reality, it WAS made. ;-) Frankly, I NEVER liked the Excelsior; was immensely happy when Scotty gummed up it&#8217;s ugly ass plumbing. Yuck. Captain Sulu on a regular basis? I don&#8217;t know. I guess I mostly agree that Takei while a decent actor, doesn&#8217;t have the charisma necessary for that.<br />
The dissing on DS9 is in some ways understandable, even at times, I had some hate for that show, but really, it did have more character depth, even if some of it led to excessive scenery chewing. This war of ideologies will never end I suppose, so I just vow to never take it too close to heart. If I espoused that Enterprise failed totally because of Bakula, I&#8217;m sure someone&#8217;s screw would come loose&#8230; Heh, heh. Let me be clear on that; I&#8217;m not, although, I did feel Trip was more interesting than Archer, lil doggie not withstanding.<br />
Anyhoo, George Takei is entitled to his opinion, and my opinion is Excelsior was doomed for the various reasons already stated&#8230;<br />
Been an interesting read&#8230; carry on. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky Smalls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky Smalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To everybody that says DS9 is the polar opposite of what Trek was supposed to be, listen to these words - Harcourt Fenton Mudd.  By all indications a human, a thief, a scoundrel and general no-goodnik.  How does he fit in with Roddenberry&#039;s utopian society?  Why does TOS get a pass when DS9 is panned for being about a war.  If Kirk wasn&#039;t screwing aliens he was punching them or firing on them. Why is it that this supposed &quot;enlightened society&quot; that Roddenberry created hasn&#039;t had much screen time?  Because it&#039;s boring.  Who wants to see a show about how everybody gets along?  There&#039;s no drama in it.  DS9 was great and besides TOS, it was the only Trek show that really asked us to examine ourselves.  There is no room in television for perfect societies, unless they&#039;re hiding something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To everybody that says DS9 is the polar opposite of what Trek was supposed to be, listen to these words &#8211; Harcourt Fenton Mudd.  By all indications a human, a thief, a scoundrel and general no-goodnik.  How does he fit in with Roddenberry&#8217;s utopian society?  Why does TOS get a pass when DS9 is panned for being about a war.  If Kirk wasn&#8217;t screwing aliens he was punching them or firing on them. Why is it that this supposed &#8220;enlightened society&#8221; that Roddenberry created hasn&#8217;t had much screen time?  Because it&#8217;s boring.  Who wants to see a show about how everybody gets along?  There&#8217;s no drama in it.  DS9 was great and besides TOS, it was the only Trek show that really asked us to examine ourselves.  There is no room in television for perfect societies, unless they&#8217;re hiding something.</p>
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		<title>By: focuspuller</title>
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		<dc:creator>focuspuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>124. Enterprise was NOT a bad show. Most can agree that the finale was not what it could have been but it was a good show and getting better. Perhaps you should watch more of it before you judge it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>124. Enterprise was NOT a bad show. Most can agree that the finale was not what it could have been but it was a good show and getting better. Perhaps you should watch more of it before you judge it.</p>
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		<title>By: miguel</title>
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		<dc:creator>miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. This really generated some responses.

A) anything that B&amp;B produced would have failed. Enterprise may have been good if it was actually a prequel. Excelsior would have been good if Michael Piller, Jeri Taylor and others stayed on board for it. (I am aware Michael Piller passed away).

B) I don&#039;t understand why people, including some producers, don&#039;t understand Utopian literature. Perhaps the best thing for them is to actually read some Utopian literature and compare it with Star Trek. Star Trek was Utopian, Star Wars as Distopian. Any person with a hint of literary understanding can comprehend this. Gene&#039;s &#039;vision&#039; was a Utopian future of humanity. Where did the conflict come from? Outside. Ira Behr decided that the Trek Utopian future was stupid (either because he just didnt understand Utopian literature or disdained it). Granted DS9 has some of the strongest and deepest storylines of any trek series, and the continuing arcs were a first for the series. I am not disdaining DS9, however I am saying that people need to understand the type of society that Rodenberry was envisioning.

GOOGLE: Utopian literature</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. This really generated some responses.</p>
<p>A) anything that B&amp;B produced would have failed. Enterprise may have been good if it was actually a prequel. Excelsior would have been good if Michael Piller, Jeri Taylor and others stayed on board for it. (I am aware Michael Piller passed away).</p>
<p>B) I don&#8217;t understand why people, including some producers, don&#8217;t understand Utopian literature. Perhaps the best thing for them is to actually read some Utopian literature and compare it with Star Trek. Star Trek was Utopian, Star Wars as Distopian. Any person with a hint of literary understanding can comprehend this. Gene&#8217;s &#8216;vision&#8217; was a Utopian future of humanity. Where did the conflict come from? Outside. Ira Behr decided that the Trek Utopian future was stupid (either because he just didnt understand Utopian literature or disdained it). Granted DS9 has some of the strongest and deepest storylines of any trek series, and the continuing arcs were a first for the series. I am not disdaining DS9, however I am saying that people need to understand the type of society that Rodenberry was envisioning.</p>
<p>GOOGLE: Utopian literature</p>
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		<title>By: Closet Trekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closet Trekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excelsior would have been good, and maybe it still can. But I don&#039;t like his take on Enterprise. If Takei&#039;s would-be series had been doomed to the same network(where so many could not even watch), it would have been cancelled as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excelsior would have been good, and maybe it still can. But I don&#8217;t like his take on Enterprise. If Takei&#8217;s would-be series had been doomed to the same network(where so many could not even watch), it would have been cancelled as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarpok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarpok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This turned out more random than I planned.

Deep Space Nine became a war story.  It had no real starship.  It was stuck on one planet most of the time.  It should not have worked.

But it did, and I liked it.  

The story is the thing.  They recycled some old Star Trek episodes, but they did it so cleverly, they were nearly invisible.

Gene Roddenberry created the Star Trek Universe.  He insisted on good stories and believability.  If you have those, you cannot fail.

The rub is Star Trek also has a history.  To be believable to most fans that history cannot be violated.

I always said with good writing they could have spun off Vic (the holigram played by James Darrin.)   On the other hand perhaps good writing can only take you so far...

I would have liked to seen Captain Sulu and the Excelsior as a series.  However I also wanted Voyager to be better- which never happened.

Never even gave Enterprise a chance.  Whenever I channel surfed by it all I could gather is that Captain Archer had an anger management problem.

All I can say about the future is that the USS Enterprise better look like the
Enterprise or I am hitting the escape pod.

Also, I really wish the people on these blogs were a bit more sensitive to the feelings of others.  Star Trek was about tolerance, diversity and keeping an open mind.  All the things that are now being destroyed in the world, especially in America.

Live long and Prosper.

And be excellent to each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This turned out more random than I planned.</p>
<p>Deep Space Nine became a war story.  It had no real starship.  It was stuck on one planet most of the time.  It should not have worked.</p>
<p>But it did, and I liked it.  </p>
<p>The story is the thing.  They recycled some old Star Trek episodes, but they did it so cleverly, they were nearly invisible.</p>
<p>Gene Roddenberry created the Star Trek Universe.  He insisted on good stories and believability.  If you have those, you cannot fail.</p>
<p>The rub is Star Trek also has a history.  To be believable to most fans that history cannot be violated.</p>
<p>I always said with good writing they could have spun off Vic (the holigram played by James Darrin.)   On the other hand perhaps good writing can only take you so far&#8230;</p>
<p>I would have liked to seen Captain Sulu and the Excelsior as a series.  However I also wanted Voyager to be better- which never happened.</p>
<p>Never even gave Enterprise a chance.  Whenever I channel surfed by it all I could gather is that Captain Archer had an anger management problem.</p>
<p>All I can say about the future is that the USS Enterprise better look like the<br />
Enterprise or I am hitting the escape pod.</p>
<p>Also, I really wish the people on these blogs were a bit more sensitive to the feelings of others.  Star Trek was about tolerance, diversity and keeping an open mind.  All the things that are now being destroyed in the world, especially in America.</p>
<p>Live long and Prosper.</p>
<p>And be excellent to each other.</p>
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		<title>By: T in HI</title>
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		<dc:creator>T in HI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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