17 Hour Enterprise Marathon Friday November 21, 2007
by John Tenuto , Filed under: ENT , trackbackWhile you relax and eat your Turkey Day leftovers on Friday you can tune into the Sci-Fi channel and watch Star Trek Enterprise all day long. As you would imagine they have picked the best episodes and arcs like “Twilight” and “In a Mirror, Darkly.”
Details below
Sci-Fi Channel Marathon Friday November 23
8:00 AM - COGENITOR
9:00 AM - THE XINDI
10:00 AM - TWILIGHT
11:00 AM - AZATI PRIME
12:00 PM - BORDERLAND - PT 1
1:00 PM - COLD STATION - PT 2
2:00 PM - THE AUGMENTS - PT 3
3:00 PM - THE FORGE - PT 1
4:00 PM - AWAKENING - PT 2
5:00 PM - KIR’SHARA - PT 3
6:00 PM - AFFLICTION - PT 1
7:00 PM - DIVERGENCE - PT 2
8:00 PM - IN A MIRROR, DARKLY - PT 1
9:00 PM - IN A MIRROR, DARKLY - PT 2
10:30 PM - BABEL - PT 1
11:30 PM - UNITED - PT 2
12:30 AM - THE AENAR - PT 3
Also remember that you can see Enterprise in HD on HDNet, but alas no Marathon this week.
Where are they now?
If you are missing the crew of the NX-01…here is where you can find them
Scott Bakula was starring in the play Quality of Life, which ended its run November 18th. He will next star in a solo cabaret event at Ford’s Theatre in Washington, DC called An Evening with Scott Bakula.
John Billingsley will be playing the recurring role of Michael Latham on 24 for the upcoming season (although the WGA strike has pushed back the season premiere). He also stars in the new Zombie TV series Alive, co-created by Enterprise writers Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens. And yes, he also stars in Jerome Bixby’s The Man from Earth.
Jolene Blalock recently completed filming on the independent thriller First Fear with Sean Patrick Flannery and the direct-to-DVD Starship Troopers: Marauders.
Dominic Keating is in the the CGI film Beowulf released recently. He also had a recurring role on FOX’s Prison Break this season.
Anthony Montgomery has a new film out called I’m Through with White Girls (The Inevitable Undoing of Jay Brooks) is which he plays the title role. He recently completed filming on an independent comedy called An American in China and is currently filming another indie comedy called Why Am I Doing This?
Linda Park currently has a regular role in ABC’s Women’s Muder Club.
Connor Trinneer makes recurring appearances on Stargate: Atlantis, next time up will be a 2 parter in February.
Chuck Trotter contributed to this story
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LAST!
Awsome!!!!!!!!!!!
Alright, FIRST! Ok enough of that well I guess I know what clients will be watching when I go to work on Friday.
too bad they don’t do a movie marathon…i would rather have that than hours of enterprise.
Proof that the channel continues to air crap.
Sounds like a form of torture to me…. Isn’t there something in the constitution about cruel and unusual punishment?
Which is the one where they reveal the future Enterprise ever-so-briefly? (NCC-1701-J, I think). Was that episode any good?
Well, now I know how George Takei is spending his day.
Lord Almighty, all these Enterprise haters. Well, I will say I could at least watch Enterprise instead of Voyager. Everytime Janeway opened her mouth and that raspy voice came out I turned the station. I thought it was a good show, but then again, I am just one person.
Yay! Nuero-pressure treatments for All! Happy Holidays.
#9
I agree. I think “Enterprise” is just fine. I find it entertaining, and I like the continuity similarities between the NX-01 and the TOS Enterprise, e.g., the scope that you peer into at the science station, or the ear piece for communications…but that’s just me. It’s like everyone takes the opportunity to trash “Enterprise” whenever it’s brought up.
De gustibus, non disputandum est.
The Enterprise J was in AZATI PRIME
I didn’t like “Cogenitor” and “The Xindi”. But the rest are some of the best Trek episodes ever.
#12: I think #7 meant Kirk’s Enterprise, which was shown briefly at the end of the series finale “These Are The Voyages”, which I think is the worst Trek episode ever and I’m glad they’re not showing it as part of the marathon.
Thanks #12. To be clear, I did mean the Enterprise-J (aka NCC 1701-J). I missed about 70% of Enterprise when it aired, so I may give a few of these episodes a try. I’ve always maintained that Star Trek is at its heart a TV show. While I’m stoked for the new movie, I’m still waiting for the day when Paramount/Viacom/CBS, etc. etc. gets their act together and brings a good Trek back to TV.
#14: #7 said NCC-1701-J. Kirk’s was, to misquote Scotty, “NCC-1701. No bloody A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, or J”
As for the episodes, the list is pretty much the best of ENT, although I’d have put Similitude in there somewhere.
I loved this series. I don’t care what anyone else said. :(
I loved the Defiant, the Enterprise J, the NX-01, The Xindi, The AMAZING Enterprise-D in the finale, etc…..
If only the inevitable TNG-R could look like “These Are the Voyages”
Man, I’ll take Enterprise over Voyager or DS9 any day. Has anyone who dumps on this show even seen the fourth season? There’s a lot there for TOS fans, like myself, to enjoy!
#16: Yeah, I see that now. I guess I missed it when I read it the first time.
I would have put “Demons” and “Terra Prime” on the list too, but I guess they ran out of room.
#18: “There’s a lot there for TOS fans, like myself, to enjoy!”
You can thank Manny Coto for that.
I know a lot of people walked away from ENT in the first couple of seasons, but it is worth checking into the above episodes as I think they are all good Trek. I also don’t appreciate comments like 5 and 6…that is borderline trolling. If you dont like the show fine….but do you really need to do that?
Like I said…check out some of these episodes…I was glad when I gave ENT a second chance
I’ll have to catch some of these. I loved that series.
I really miss Enterprise, and it sucks there has been no new Trek in close to 3 years. This would have been Enterprise’s seventh and last season. It had great stories, characters, actors, and it was fun to see all the winks to the future treks.
Enterprise has some hits and misses but that can be said of ALL TREKS. Anyone can pull out crappy episodes from the original, TNG, DS9, and Voyager.
I’m getting my friend into Trek, and I decided to start with Trek, he has no preconceptions, and he’s loving it! And we’re only on the second season before it really gets cooking.
no thanks..seriously no thank you. I have mirror darkly on tape and I’ll watch that. I’d rather watch a ds9, voyager, tos or tng marathon…
^ Meant to say I’m starting him off on Enterprise.
I’ve got them all on DVD and I enjoyed this series much more watching it without any adverts getting in the way.
#6
Amen to that. worst Star Trek ever…
would rather watch the old Battlestar Galactica series, which is like Proust in comparison.
Thank you Hollywood for playing to the teen geek boys and dumping an emaciated top heavy vulcan into a slutty cat suit purely for ratings sake, how transparent can you get? Hollywoods idea of ratings-bait says volumes of the utter contempt in which they hold sci fi viewers. Where’s Number One when you need her?
28th!
Just shows how much better the fourth season was getting, not counting a few clinkers.
Enterprise will always be the whipping boy. That’s a shame. There are flaws, but it’s a lot better than 99% of the Sci-Fi out there. (Flash Gordon, Stargate: Atlantis anyone?)
Stargate Atlantis is one of the best sci-fi shows ever!
Steved, apart from the T’pol character, what else do you not like about Enterprise?.
#9 you are not alone. I loved Enterprise and proud of it :)
My take on Enterprise (like anyone cares)–Cons AND Pros:
Well, I don’t like the ship. Like someone else said, I don’t like the “hostage situation” eps ( there were a lot of them, weren’t there?). I understand that we can portray technology in a more up-to-date manner these days, but why didn’t they at least try to find a middle ground between Enterprise and TOS? Don’t like the canon errors that occured primarily in the first couple seasons. And I particularly didn’t like that it was called “Enterprise”. Had they just done it with a different ship (Daedalus class, anyone?) I may have bought into the concept more readily. And grouchy Vulcans. Hated them
When I put on my fiction cap and just strike the things that annoy me about the show, I find the rest entertaining. Sure there were problems with the storytelling and acting, but I can certainly look past that in the rest of the series. Some of the FX were terrific. I LOVED seeing the good old Constitution class on TV once more. The fourth season was really quite good, now that I have had a chance to view some of the episodes. And sorry for being a pig, but I like pretty women in tight/ scant/revealing clothing. That is a Star Trek tradition from way back.
I’d rather them show the TOS remastered episodes.
#30 “Stargate Atlantis is one of the best sci-fi shows ever!”
Don’t make me laugh, Stargate Atlantis is nothing but crap!
Star Trek Enterprise ia a masterpiece in comparison to Stargate Atlantis.
#35: You’re lucky I’m not in strangling distance.
now now.. play nice
I think Enterprise was pretty good in its third season and its fourth season was the best The fourth season is what the first season should have been.
Ves,
I’ve got to agree with you. Not including “Similitude” is an oversight. In my mind, that’s pretty much when Enterprise turned the corner so to speak. Of course, they retreated back into that corner with “These Are The Voyages …”, but they had a decent run there for about a season and a half.
Looks like this list pretty much captures that run. I might just sit down for a few of these.
Enterprise in seasons 3 and 4 was excellent scfi and excellent star trek. There were more good eps in season 4 than in all of TOS and VOY combined.
Order of Best Trek on TV is:
1. TNG
2. DS9
3. Enterprise
4. TOS
5. VOY
Best movies were FC and WOK. Nemisis wasn’t one of the better films, but was far better than the worst Trek movies, I and V.
Enterprise - Turkey, say no more.
#41
I don’t get why everyone dislikes Star Trek V, so I will take this opportunity to ask Star Trek fans. Why the Star Trek V hate?
I like it FAR better than I or IV. It has some of the best inter-character moments, and it’s just an all around good time.
DOMINIC KEATING, now, also has a recurring role in HEROES, with fellow Star Trek alumi George Takei and Nichelle Nichols (and with Zachary Quinto, who — as we all know by now — is portraying [young] Spock in ST XI).
#41 … good list.
#43 … the reason I think ST: V is the worst two hours of Trek is because of the “god search.” I mean, did anyone buy that? Just did not work for me at all. That combined with some poor casting and some poor action staging (the scene with Sybok taking Kirk and Spock [I think it was those two, McCoy might have been there too] prisoner in the shuttle craft or leaving the shuttlecraft was embarrassingly poor).
Anyway, if you are a Trekkie and TOS lover and don’t embrace the Enterprise episodes airing Friday, your loss. They are some of the best Trek ever made. And all of them serve as great compliments / prequels to Trek episodes like The Tholian Web, Arena, Amok Time, Space Seed, etc…
AP, thanks for calling out 5 & 6. That is why your site is the best.
Happy Gratitude Festival everyone.
I think that Star Trek V was an ok idea poorly executed ( and I do have a soft spot for it ), where as Enterprise was a bad idea well executed - neither really is any better than the other.
I’m trying to find out why the IAMD Pt 2 starts at 9, and the next ep starts at 10:30 pm. Anyone know why that is? What’s in that extra half hour?
#45
Ok, that didn’t really explain why you hate it, just stating again that you dislike it. Why is the search for God bad? That’s one of the biggest things about being a human. Searching for something greater than yourself.
I also believe it has the most heart between the characters of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
Oh well, to each their own.
I remember being anti-ENTERPRISE. That was until I caught the season 4 episodes in re-runs. It’s caused me to re-evaluate the entire series. I’d say I’m a fan now. Episodes like “In a Mirror, Darkly” and the Klingon augment virus two-parter really won me over. And it’s hard to go wrong with Orion slave girls. Plus, how cool was it seeing the Enterprise flying over 20th Century New York City, dog-fighting Nazi planes?! Hell, this show even brought back the Andorians and made them pretty damned cool.
ROBERTO!
you out there?
Would it be a big spoiler to clue us in…..
any Andorians in the flick?
BBA
Bring Back Andorians! Bring Back Andorians!…
#50 … I agree. And, I’d like to see T’Pol in her old age in ST-XI. Was SHE the one show sponsored young Spock into Starfleet Academy, by any chance? …..Roberto?
CORRECTION: Roberto, was T’Pol the one WHO (–not “show”–), WHO initially sponsored Spock into SF Academy? (SORRY, folks; sometimes I type faster than I realize. And then forget to proofread…..) After all, she does know T’Pau, personally. And T’Pau is back in Spock’s family line…..
As a Quantum Leap fan I thought the casting of Bakula in ‘Enterprise’ was a stroke of genius, but I must say I was very disappointed with the results. He just didn’t cut the mustard as a Starship commander.
I’ve seen each Classic Trek episode countless times and enjoy them all each and every time, even the cheesy ones (especially now with the new FX), but I can’t imagine watching TNG episodes, or any of the other incarnations, repeatedly. They just don’t stand up. There’s was something about that original crew, ship and concept that hasn’t been remotely matched.
Perhaps this new movie, with it’s new crop of actors, can capture some of that magic. I seriously doubt it, though.
I loved ENT as well, it was my favourite Trek, yes it had clinkers but so does all Trek. Now Similitude SHOULD have been on the list.
I don’t understand the Trek:V bashing either. I did not mind it, was a bit weak but the idea was brilliant.
I too have been hoping that Jolene’s T’Pol will appear in the next Star Trek film. Enterprise was a wonderful series in the way it brought the Vulcans and humans together. It was the kind of message that GR would have liked.
I left Enterprise after awhile, but did find a few episodes entertaining (but for a while there, trying to watch the episodes just got me angry). The last season was when I came back… or was it the third season… either way, it had certainly turned around. Unfortunately, by then most everyone had turned their backs on it.
STV… well let’s see…
Spock’s half brother
the Enterprise has a hundred decks and can now travel to the center of the Galaxy in a matter of hours yet many of it’s systems don’t work- again.
The Great Barrier at the center of the Galaxy… we did the Galactic Barrier already at the Galaxies edge and the center of the Galaxy is dense with star clusters and black holes.
Why would the Enterprise be the only ship available? They ship’s a mess and orbiting Earth. Surely there are other ships that close to earth. You’d definately think there’d be more near the Romulan and Klingon Neutral Zones. Is the Enterprise the only ship that Starfleet has?
A madman searching for God and convincing others to help him is fine. If he had some kind of mind control- fine. But some kind of resolution to the story? Explain who this guy is that claims to be God. Give us a begining, middle and an end.
Some of the FX could have certainly been better at the time they were made.
I liked the Yosemite stuff though. And that little back story for McCoy.
#44 Rhett Coates — Keating’s run on HEROES ended after the first few episodes. He never had more than a few minutes on-screen and only received billing in the closing credits. In contrast, I believe he will make more appearances on PRISON BREAK, so you should have that to look forward to come January.
If this were a 24-hour deal, they could add some of the better episodes from the first season and the early part of the second season: Broken Bow, The Andorian Incident, Shadows of P’Jem, Shuttlepod One, Minefield, and Dead Stop. I think 3rd season’s Similitude would be worth adding to round out the day. Those would just be my picks, though.
I’m gonna DVR the whole thing and catch up on Enterprise. I dropped out after season 1. I don’t think I even finished season 1. I’ve heard good things about season 3 & 4. I saw parts of “In A Mirror, Darkly,” and seeing the constitution class ship was SO cool. Major cool.
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone! :)
ST V almost always gets bashed, but it has some great qualities as well as some very poor aspects, in my opinion. The poor qualities always get mentioned, so I just wanted to point out some of the overlooked great aspects that appealed to me.
I don’ t think there are any better, more touching moments between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy than in this movie (certainly not in the other movies) as shown in the Yosemite scenes. The movie opens at Yosemite with Kirk saying to McCoy “Other people have families…, not us.” Then the movie was bookended with the closing scene at Yosemite, where Kirk says “I lost a brother, I was glad to get him back.” And McCoy said “I thought you said people like us don’t have families…” and Kirk replies “I was wrong.” Maybe that’s too sensitive for some of the macho, immature insulting types on this site, but to me that’s what separates ST from any other sci-fi.
And no one ever mentions this radical thing Kirk says, and how brave it was (or at least controversial): “McCoy: We were just wondering…Is God really out there? Kirk: “Maybe he’s not out there Bones, maybe he’s right here (points to his chest)..The human heart.” Not bad for what is considered a stupid movie.
So, ST V was a great tribute to the relationship between its characters, while also pondering some huge questions of meaning. Yes, it was dumb and lame in many parts, but these wonderful qualities, for me, should not be overlooked.
#59 … You will be happy you did! “In a Mirror Darkly” as a strange precursor / prequel to both “Mirror, Mirror” and (more surprisingly) “The Tholian Web” is a Trek high point.
Well, this will certainly clear your colon after all that food.
I actually watched this show to see how pissed off I could get each week.
Although, I will say, “In a Mirror Darkly” was a VERY brilliant bit of Trek that came far too late to save this show. A diamond stuffed in the middle of a big pile of chimpanzee crap.
As for Trek V, say what you will, but it had some wonderful character moments. Overall, I like it fine… despite the worst Romulan ever. I can see why they exiled her.
Oregon, “In A Mirror, Darkly” WILL BLOW YOUR MIND!!!!!
#52:
Some fanwankery for you: I always thought that maybe T’Pau was Spock’s gramma. I just watched “Amok Time,” and she’s really very un-Vulcanly tender towards him when he’s returning to Enterprise after “killing” Kirk.
And I am among the “Enterprise” lovers too. Will be DVD-ing the afternoon eps fo’ sho’!
Happy Thanksgiving, all!
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
I never thought T’Pau was Spock’s grandma but I thought FOR SURE that T’Pol would be Sarek’s mother! After her relationship with Trip ended of course.
Also notice if you will that these are mostly Season 4 espisodes…..
#50 - Gary–Yep I agree, conventional wisdom has all but dismissed ST5, but there are great moments there. The movie got jerked around a lot with money.
61–Looking forward to “Mirror” I’ve heard the entire episode is in the mirror universe–even the credits!
I hate Trek V mostly because it seems like a home movie, what with the lame acting by most and the cheap looking sets and equally lame location work.
It’s funny how some trekkies or trekkers or whatever will undoubtedly think I’m *less* entitled to my opinions because I like Enterprise (from the 2nd season on) and Voyager, as well as TOS, TNG, and DS9. Shouldn’t I get more trek points for liking them all? I think the word here is: ELITISTS.
I mean, it’s not like I like SciFi indiscriminately — I’ve tried Stargate SG-1 and couldn’t make it past 4 episodes, I’ve watched half of the first season of Babylon5 and got sick of it, quit early in the second season of Andromeda, and ditched Farscape after about 2 seasons, I loved the first season of Space 1999, but gave up after about 4 episodes of the second season.
The original Battlestar Galactica is unwatchable now, even though I loved it as a kid. I do love the reimagined BSG, and I loved Firefly unreservedly. But all in all, I’d say my track record is on the discriminating side. So, I don’t accept the naysayers with regard to Voyager and Enterprise. Those two series have had their fair share of solid episodes, worthy of the Star Trek brand.
Oh, and Enterprise definitely should have had a full 7-season run. Pulling it at the 4th season was a huge mistake. Everyone knows that all the post-TOS series have only gotten better over time, particularly from their 3rd seasons on. I thought the ship was fine too, and I liked that they stripped back some of the innovations we had all gotten so used to, like limited transporter use, no replicators, no shields, etc.
ENTerprise is one of my favourite Star Trek series. sure there were several weaknesses in the story here and there, but all in all it was quality entertainment. and the main characters have a deeper characterisation, not that shallow lame development in most of the characters VOY gave us.
i always thought of, what characterizes each different crew of Trek? and i think it’s that the ENT crew is fallible, not that sophisticated like TNG or DS9. in their time they don’t have something like the Prime Directive or the Temporal Prime Directive. they are growing while/after making mistakes. that made it realistical to me. i don’t care about the look and “oh, it’s not looking exactly like pre-kirk-era”. at least it looked like Trek to me.
and there are one of the greatest moments in Trek: like the KIR’SHARA-story, the Andorian/Vulcan-stroy arc, in moral aspects watch Similtude, Dear Doctor…
not just the 4th. season is ENT and Star Trek at it’s best, there are alot of episodes worth watching in the three other seasons.
and not to forget, ENT had an enormous potential, other then in VOY again. it’s a shame they canceld the show. i would have loved to see Shran as a member of the crew and the development of several characters.
i can only recommend everybody to check out ENT on DVD. in my opinion your respect for that show will grow.
Alas, Manny Cotto and the Reeves-Stevens were too late to save the show. The 4th and last season was the best.
Star Trek V… awful, terrible. As I recall from the times, “Not only the worst Trek movie, not only the worst movie of 1989, but perhaps one of the worst movies of all time…” CBS/Paramount seconded this opinion by not giving Shatner any funding to improve the special effects for a director’s cut DVD. Nothing was going to save that turkey (ah, a Thanksgiving reference). And speaking of which—
Happy Thanksgiving everyone !
I watched ‘Twilight’ the other night on HDNet - and it was really terrific. (Too bad there’s no Sci-Fi Channel HD yet - no one can argue about how great Enterprise looks in HD…)
Enterprise simply got lost - like Voyager - when audiences sampled it, didn’t like it, and never came back. The ratings by the end were truly terrible - even though the show had gotten much better. Trek has lived sort of a charmed life in its modern era, being given ample time to improve. Most shows don’t get more than 13 episodes to establish themselves But by the time Enterprise came along, the franchise was too tired for the additional seasons to matter.
If and when Trek comes back to TV, hopefully it will be on something like Showtime, where the episodes can be longer than 42 minutes and ratings will play less of a factor.
I’d have liked to seen Phlox’s home planet get destroyed unexpectedly sometime during the Enterprise run. It would have made for good drama with the Plox character, it would have been a cool counterpoint to the Xindi threat to Earth, and it would have explained why we don’t see his race in the future.
I liked Enterprise more than the other post TOS series. It seemed more serious and adult. Voyager was my least favorite - too juvenile, silly, contrived (I couldn’t stomach watching anymore than a few episodes).
STV was too cheesy. Reminded me of one of the lesser TOS episodes (especially the appearance of the floating god head at the end - bleh). And that Romulan woman had absolutely no character. Kirk, McCoy and Spock (especially Spock of all beings) sitting around a campfire eating beans and singing Row Row Row your boat? bleh, bleh, bleh.
“Affliction” and “Divergence” were great. Finally having the age old question of “What happen to the Klingons ridges in the TOS era?” answered was satisfying.
Its one of the things I felt would have been great to explore when the show first got the green light and I am really glad they had the chance to tell that story. It adds a great layer to the Klingons back story and being a warrior race you can easily imagine it’s something they might have tried to do, on the sly. I know it’s a dishonorable thing to try but that also ties in with Worf’s comment in “Trials and Tribulation” when he said “we do not like to talk about it”.
I only wish we had further episodes showing the effect of the virus on their Home world. Maybe with a Michael Dorn as one of Worf’s relatives? That would have been very interesting!
# 75- As my Post #60 anticipated:
And McCoy said “I thought you said people like us don’t have families…” and Kirk replies “I was wrong.” Maybe that’s too sensitive for some of the macho, immature insulting types on this site, but to me that’s what separates ST from any other sci-fi.
#77 Gary Seven…………. I do agree with you, that there was some very good, touching dialogue between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy - but there were just a few moments like that in the movie (I would call them gold nuggets in sea of cheese). And, they did not have to make any of these touching comments while eating beans and making cracks about McCoy’s secret ingredient and beans being an explosive combination. Then after McCoy states something about Spock with his Vulcan anatomy being able to eat a bowl of termites, Spock says “I am half human.” Come on - I prefer to think that Spock does not pass gas. In any case - TOO MUCH INFO.
There was also some interaction between Uhura and Scotty that I thought was pretty funny - in a good way.
Forgot to mention Spock’s birth scene - hated it. Should not have been done. Even Nimoy objected to it (as stated in his I am Spock book), but Shatner insisted on it.
As for your personal attack: I am not a “macho, immature insulting types on this site.” I am a 45 year old mom, and I did not insult any person - I just critiqued the movie. So, let’s try to avoid labeling people, ok?
Continuation from #78: I forgot about Uhura’s inappropriate fan dance - hated it.
73. Cousin Itt–Wow, you just said it–ST comes back on Showtime! Or HBO! Something like that. The best television I’ve watched in the past 5 years has been from HBO or Showtime. Sopranos. 6 Feet Under. Dexter, to be specific.
ST back–on cable!!! That’s the ticket, laddie! (hello CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp? anyone reading?)
Again, Happy Thanksgiving!
As many people were, I was also an Enterprise basher turned fan in Season 4. Broken Bow was the best Star Trek premiere episode ever done, and was followed up by a string of boring, rehashed stories. Season 2 was even worse, and I simply ignored it. When the Xindi thing came up with Earth being destructively attacked again, I turned from apathetic to downright basher. Scott Bakula was a bad casting choice. His constant outbursts and whining really got old fast. He was no Jim Kirk.
As for Trek V, I always liked it. It was the movie I saw the most early on, which got me hooked onto Star Trek. The plot, believability, and guest stars were all terrible. It was largely shot on the cheap, rushed through production, and it showed. Paramount had gone into cash cow mode for TOS, and was now largely focused on TNG. Looking back, we’re lucky we got both STV and STVI, before Berman took over and mothballed TOS.
#81
I agree with you about Broken Bow being the best Star Trek premier episode of all the series’. The premier TOS episode, “Man Trap”, was very weak. I have no idea why they chose to air this one (actually the 6th episode filmed) instead of the excellent “Where No Man Has Gone Before”, which was actually the first episode filmed with the “Kirk Crew”.
The premier eps of TNG, DS9, and VOY were also all weak - it seems like each of the casts were very uncomfortable and wooden in their roles. It was painful to watch. For some reason, the Enterprise crew started off with a good element of chemistry, and the story itself and FX were well done. It’s too bad that the remainder of season 1 and season 2 of Enterprise were full of weak and repetitive stories - they ruined a promising start. By the time that the better 3rd season, and best 4th season arrived, it was way too late to save the show.
I really like Enterprise. More so than TNG and VOY, I can’t believe so many TOS fans don’t like it, it’s a huge homage to TOS. Archer-Trip-T’Pol are based around Kirk-McCoy-Spock. Trip and McCoy are my favourite characters of any series.
I do think season 1 and 2 were weak (But still better than most TNG and ALL Voyager) but Season 3 was terrific. Absolutely superb storytelling. You could tell a real fan had taken over with Season 4. Nothing but TOS refrences and character development. Manny Coto is what the franchise had needed since the end of DS9. The fact that you could see the result of the NX’s season 4 actions made what they were doing seem so much more important. No more TCW bull. Andorians, Tellarites, ‘true’ Vulcans and most importantly, Romulans! Season 4 had the Mirror Universe, a Gorn, Tholians (We finally get to see more than the head), A Constitution class ship including all the sets, Vulcan’s surface (twice), an answer to the problem of TOS Klingon foreheads and attitude, Andoria, the four founding Federation member states working together and getting along after years of hosility, Orion slavegirls and for the first time- the males. We saw the Organians, the inventor of the transporter, Colonel Green and so much more. Enterprise had finally found it’s space legs when the plug was pulled. I know a lot of people (read: Comic book guy) hated it before it had even aired an episode, but I urge everyone to rent season three and four at some point. You’ll find the most TOS like Trek of all the spin off’s. It’s up there with TOS and DS9 for me.
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Also- Terra Prime was the most moving episode of Trek ever. Trip’s face in the final scene makes me tear up every time. Man, when T’Pol reaches for his hand as he starts to cry because of his daughter’s death I just loose it. In Broken Bow, he reaches to shake her hand but she doesn’t respond, in the second final episode, she reaches for him to comfort him. It was so moving. Their relationship was so much more interesting than any other on the other shows imo.
I was one of those people who hated Enterprise based on the fact it was a “prequel” and violated every last shred of canon known in Star Trek lore. The TOS Enterprise was the 1st and I had a very hard time accepting the fact they pulled a “well now it’s not” on the fans with the NX-1.
I refused to watch a single minute of this “abomination”.
Then I began to see the hype for one episode (actually 2 episodes) in particular, “In A Mirror Darkly” parts 1 and 2. As a TOS purist at heart the thought of revisiting the mirror universe and the constitution class Defiant had me plenty intrigued. I just had to see this episode and imagine my amazement when it turned out to be among the best Star Trek episodes made. It was awsome, Bakula’s “Shatnerisms” brought a smile to my face. Sure the Gorn wasn’t executed properly, but realizing they were going to show one had me giggling like a child in anticipation!
Based on the evidence, I had to give this show a legitimate chance.
I went back and watched from the last 2 episodes of season 2 through season 3 and 4 and must say I was plenty entertained. I even checked out season 1 and the rest of season 2 which weren’t as good but still had moments. There are still things about this series that bother me canon wise and I have a hard time overlooking that, but I must conclude that it was a well written and entertaining show nonetheless.
Connor Triinneer will also be appearing in the Stargate Atlantis Finale The Last Man According to the news announcement at Gateworld released a few days ago.
Hmmm….
Only yesterday I read an earlier thread where I noticed one particularly unpleasant poster included in each of their (multiple) postings direct insults of earlier commenters, completely gratutiously. Not criticizing their taste in Trek, but flat out insulting them. No-one took them to task.
On this thread I light-heartedly express a single negative view of a particular Trek show, and I get accused of trolling… I think you guys maybe need to look at your priorities here.
Anyway, just for the record, even though *I* don’t particularly like Enterprise, if *you* happen to - then that’s your perogative.
I hope all you ENT fans out there enjoy the marathon.
Star Trek Enterprise 4th season ROCKED! Too bad Manny Cotto didn’t have free reign from the start.
I’ll be tuning in tomorrow.
I would have liked to have seen the Romulan War and the founding of the Federation. I know some say they would have gotten around to that in Season 5 but it was too late because they wasted time on the Temporal Cold War and Xindi War and most Trek fans tuned out.
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No argument from me. The first two seasons were mostly a waste of time. The subjects they explored in the 4th season should have been in the 1st season. If so, they would have captured the hearts of most Trek fans right from the start. The TCW was a baffling diversion into boring and confusing territory, which they never even bothered to properly resolve.
#60, I’m not surprised you don’t like Stargate Atlantis, but I’m surprised you bailed on Farscape. All the SG1 series are horrible to me Farscape however was very good and got better like Enterprise.
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Here’s a few more sci-fi shows everyone that posts here should see:
LEXX. Red Dwarf,and the new Dr.Who.
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I admit that I was disgusted by the
fact that B&B went back to a prequel but seasons 3 and 4 were incredible!!
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And yes “in a mirrior Darkly” was the standout 2 parter of that entire show!!!
Manny Cotto was brilliant and still shines at 24!!
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Let’s hope this prequel curse dosnt tank the new film…even though I’m secrectly hoping it does, did I type that??
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Also where’s Stankey and lord garth today?
yes! too bad I’m at work on Black Friday :(
Enterprise was doomed to failure from the beginning because of WHEN it was set.
First, creating a pre-TOS era series is an impossible task due to the fact that it will be impossible to create a believable, realistic looking show with technology that is more advanced than our current technology yet less advanced than TOS era technology. It would be inevitable that Enterprise would look more modern than TOS and that the ship and crew would be able to do things that were impossible for the TOS ship and crew could do.
Then of course there is the issue of not only attempting to keep canon straight, but filling in all those missing details without contradicting yourself or canon or what made the rest of Trek unique. For example, I had always been under the impression that some of the factors which made Spock unique was the fact that he was the first Vulcan to attend/graduate from Starfleet Command and the fact that he was the first Vulcan to serve with a non-Vulcan crew.
If I recall, when Gene Roddenberry and Paramount were talking about bringing Star Trek back to television, one of the reasons they opted to set the new series in the future from TOS was to avoid many of these same problems. Had the new Star Trek series been set in movie era TOS, they would be using sets and props designed in the late 70’s that was already beginning to look outdated in the mid 80’s. By setting the series in the TOS future, they could come up with a fresh, new, futuristic looking sets and props. Plus, by being in the future, no need to worry about filling in back stories and the chance of contradicting existing canon is less.
From this alone, Enterprise was doomed to failure. Now mix in shallow and weak characters, flat and uninspired acting, poor and unimaginative stories (Time travel again and again and again?!?… Nazis again?!?) and you have a recipe for a disaster. And that is exactly what Enterprise was—a disaster.
#78-JBS I apologize; your point is well taken. (I’m a 44 year old Dad). I do become frustrated with the tendency of many posters to overlook “softer” aspects of Trek- great and touching characters, and their relationships, as well as the contemplation issues of meaning in human existence. Instead they often go off on rants about what seem to me to be minor details in the show. But you are correct, my tone was too harsh. As Spock said once, (about emotional humans), “constant exposure does result in a certain degree of contamination.” As for ST V,
I actually like the beans/gas jokes, even though they are perhaps immature- because to me they suggested a certain “buddy” intimacy that only close friends can joke about, which made the trio seem even more loving. But to each his own. Sorry again.
I made a mistake CORRECTION I meant #69 in my last post…opologies to #60..
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I’m stuffed with thanksgiving food an I’ve had a few michelobs…
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Also I agree with the #93 Bubba Hotep post except the
part of Enterprise being a total disaster. The prequel argument I’m right there with you BIG TIME but the show redeamed itself in season 3 and 4 nazis included…
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Bubba Hotep was a great film. Give enterprise a second chance…Bubba..
#91 - Personally, I thought Farscape was best in the first two seasons. I think they started to lose the originality of the show as time wore on.
#93 - I don’t agree that the prequel formula was doomed. They got certain things right: with no shields and lower Warp capability, the Enterprise was getting its butt whooped more often than in the shows set in the Star Trek TOS and later eras. Also, Archer and crew (notably Trip) had to grapple with moral issues for the first time that were more codified in the “later” eras. After First Contact, it was important to establish the paternalistic Vulcan role for human space exploration (frankly, I wish there had been more of that).
I admit that they did blow it in certain areas, particularly the tricorders, which look *way* more advanced than the TOS tricorders, but I maintain that the Enterprise of the TOS era itself (Constitution class) definitely still looks more advanced than the NX-01. I think they did a fine job of making the NX-01 look modest in size and “accessible” in construction, compared to the stately, white-painted, clean-lined 1701. The interiors of the NX-01 are also more cramped, and the bridge does have a contemporary NASA look to it, as opposed to the 1701 bridge, which has nothing in it really that resembles a contemporary GUI-like interface.
This last point could be taken either way, I grant you, but the fact remains that they made the bridge of the NX-01 more like a direct, hands-on extrapolation of what we have today, whereas the 1701 bridge could be regarded as more “mysterious” (who really knows what those buttons do?). In that sense, since the NX-01 interior is more accessible to viewers, it seems a lot closer to us, in the here and now, than the 1701 bridge might have appeared to the 1960s viewing pubic.
#96 farscape only got better with age..!
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Tricorders aside, what killed Enterprise was its spirit..Archer should have been more like Kirk, reckless and making mistakes along the way…
#97 — but, they did make plenty of mistakes. I think the Cogenitor episode was very strong in portraying the notion of universal rights for sentient beings versus the stance of cultural relativism (clearly engaging with the future Prime Directive).
97. In reference to FarScape: Here! Here! Pity they changed thier mind about doing a 5th season.
As far as enterprise goes: Hey! At least none of these guys will ever be typecast like most Trek actors. lol. It was such a forgetable show.
I am one of those that couldn’t last until the 4th season. From what I hear, they did in season 4 what they should have done from the beginning. Too bad they had already soured most eveyone on the characters and the premise.
Does anyone see post 99? I just posted, saw it in the list, and now it is gone. Curious…
If deleted, could someone please tell me why? I didn’t think it was out of line or off topic. Thanks.
Nevermind. There it is.
Sorry, but that was just weird. I refreshed multiple times, and even reopenned the page but it did not reappear until I posted again. Weird…
#98 well what I meant was Archer allways played it safe in the first 2 seasons. He was too passive. His character changed after the Zindi conflict but by then it was too late…
I would have liked to have seen him way too aggressive
and having to be pulled back by his crew, kinda the way McKoy gave Kirk advice on the bridge.Instead of overthinking situations he would just react. (Am I wrong on this one?)
I felt that Backulas take on the Captians character was kinda wimpy. Unlike Kirk who allways shot from the hip…(Oh o here’s the Shatner thread)
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Thanks for the support #99 on Farscape!! However that NX-01 ship will allways be typecast as a crappy Enterprise ship…lol. They really frelled that one.
Maybe the reason I liked Enterprise so much is that I didn’t compare it to the other ST series, I just viewed it as a stand alone, on it’s own merits (even though I am a die hard TOS fan; I still avoided the comparison thing. There was 35 years separating them after all).
Nitpicking has a way of taking the joy out of anything; I prefer to be positive and have a good time.
My two point six quatloos…
I agree with everyone–positive or negative–about Enterprise, because in any sustained one-hour drama, there are going to be hits and misses, no question.
“Mirror, Darkly” was unreservedly awesome. I loved the “Mirror, Mirror” and “Tholian Web” tie-ins. Great story.
I must point out, however, that to those who think “These Are The Voyages” was a lame finale (it was), it WASN”T meant to be the finale. It was just the latest ep finished and ready to air when the cancelation came. I agree it was a weak episode, and Enterprise deserved a far better send-off. Theoretically, since this ep was six years in Enterprise’s future, we don’t know what their final voyage was like…
i liked Enterprise better than any of the spin-offs. I am a big TOS fan, so my opinion may vary from the big fans of TNG, DS9, and VOY. Those just did not measure up. Enterprise told the right story. I loved the fresh look, the uncertainty that would have inevitably engulfed the characters as they truely did go “where no man has gone before”. I believe it was cancelled because so many us us could not watch it. I moved to another state during the first season, and it did not even air in my new location. I finally watched the whole thing on DVD. I love it!
Having watched a handful of eps today, I’m really sorry the series didn’t endure.
Of course, the crap that was “These are the Voyages” makes me rethink that.
I am glad these guys haven’t fallen off the acting radar. Whatever you may think of the series as it was running, you have to agree that this was a rather descent group of actors, who really enjoyed acting star trek. It is good to see that there have been picked up to do other things.
I don;t know if anyone answered the post on the Enterprise J yet. But That episode was anzati Prime. And yes, it was one of the best of the season.
i took a gamble and bought Season 4 of ENT on dvd at FULL PRICE a couple of years ago (all i’d seen upuntil then was the pilot and the odd bad ep) because id heard good things and was majorliy impressed…The Mirror Darkley 2 parter was tremendous - it was better than Insurrection and Nemesis put together! and u know..i’ve been kinda thinking lately that maybe the good reaction to those eps might have helped alittle for Paramount to go with the whole TOS era film that Abrams is doing now…..They also sorta put to rest any notion that the 1960s sets looked too old fashioned..in fact they look sorta retro futuristic now…..
I then bought season 3 and that was pretty good - it was sorta like a 20 hour Trek movie (if u watch one ep after the other)…Twilight was great - nice nod to Ceti Alpha V and all that….I did think that whole thing where the Xindi were around the table plotting against humainty was heavily reminstent of the plotting scenes on Geonisis in Star Wars Attack of The Clones though…
then i bought season 2 cause i wanted to see that Borg ep that was a sequel to FC..and i really liked that… esp the end when the time loop thing is revealed…the borg send a call out to their homeworld that should cause them to set out to earth in the 24th century
But the rest of season 2 and the majority of season 1 (well, the pilot wasnt bad) were pretty bad and also played more like as if it were acting like a prequel to TNG not TOS…and as if TOS was never (had never) gonna happen…plus most times it really was just like watching another spin off of TNG..I mean music/performances/plots/technobabble/ etc etc wise (which it obviously was…. but wasnt supposed it be if u get my drift)…although i did admire the whole ‘The Right Stuff’ early space pioneer feel of certain early eps…(pilot, First Flight etc)…at least that was different to TNG/DS9/Voy.
I think that ‘lets ignore TOS’ aspect REALLY pissed off the fans in addition to the lameness of season 1/2…its a shame it was cancelled as it was really getting it right in season 4 and Coto ..but it was too late as fans had given it a chance in season 1/2 and tuned out (esp since this was the THIRD spin off of TNG and that DS9 and esp Voyager had lost alot of trek fans)
I guess it it had continued Manny Coto would have continued and there would have been more TOS heavy prequel eps…and maybe a Shatner cameo at some point (i know they tried and failed to get him for season 4 but there would have been 3 more tries to get him) and maybe a final couple of eps of season 7 leading up to TOS era (like what the last 10 mins of Star Wars Ep III were like)…maybe an ancient Archer at the launch of the NCC 1701 (as was described on the Defiant computer screen in the Mirror Darkley ep)…or a 150 year old T’pol mentoring a certain vulcan student and seeing him off on his 1st voyage on the Pike commanded Enterprise…or T’pol at the launch of the NCC 1701 under command of Kirk - cue 1960s CGI ‘Where No Man’ Shatner, Nimoy - T’pol watching the Ent leave space dock..shatner ‘Space the Final Frontier’ log entry…classic theme kicks in…
Then again if it fans had kept with it and it hadnt been cancelled….no Nimoy starring in a $150 millon TOS movie directed by Abrams next Xmas right?
“and also played more like as if it were acting like a prequel to TNG not TOS…”
You are so right! That is what I felt for the first few episodes!
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The only reason ENT lost me was that damned UPN and its limited availabilty. I loved it on DVD. I thought there were no more bad episodes than on TOS (”This way to Eden”, anyone?). And let’s not forget that it was a prequel to ALL other Star Trek series. As for any minor contradictions with TOS (although I cannot think of one offhand), TOS often lacked continuity within itself. Don’t get me wrong, I am a pure TOS fan. It took me years to even accept TNG after watching the fist airing of “Encounter at Farpoint”. It was difficult to accept TNG as Star Trek for me. Now, of course, I have seen them all many times. But there has never been, for me, that same magic of “Balance of Terror”, “City on the Edge of Forever”, “Space Seed”, “Arena”, “Mirror, Mirror”, “Friday’s Child”…(I could go on for awhile), until I saw some of the more TOS-friendly ENT episodes. After I bought the box sets, I started watching and couldn’t stop! I had to close my store for a long weekend, and that’s a true story!
i think Ent is 3rd best ST series….
TOS
TNG
ENT
DS9
VOY
110 - And yeah it was definatly more of a prequel to TNG - I guess that was a given considering it was using First Contact as a sort of springboard…even the uniforms were a sort of coss between NASA suits and the TNG uniforms..but if TOS heavy season 4 had been like season 2 or even 3 maybe it would still be going…..
I could never connect to the characters on Enterprise…I had a similar problem with VOY - aside from The Doctor, Janeway on occasion and Seven of Nine. None of them really had anything ‘there’ that I felt made them stand out. Bakula just seemed really out of place in Star Trek, which is a shame because he’s one of my favorite actors otherwise. He can balance humor and seriousness very well (just not so well on ENT).
As for the ship, eh it never bothered me TOO much. As Kirk said to Scotty in Trek IV - ‘A ship is a ship’. I do think it bore too strong a resemblence to other ships they’d featured in ‘the future’. It wasn’t terribly unique in any way. When they introduced the Defiant in DS9, you were really impressed because nothing looked like that in Star Trek before (whether you liked the design or not). I didn’t get that with the ship from ENT, though I do understand the difficult situation they were in, designwise. They couldn’t have anything radically different because so much about ship design had been established. It’s part of the corner they’d painted themselves into with the prequel concept.
The series just never engaged me, even the highly praised ‘In A Mirror Darkly’ seemed rather pointless to me. The effects were nice, but the story lacked punch, and I’d take the silly-looking Gorn from ‘Arena’ over the goofy CGI-velociraptor they had in that ep, any day.
Oh and #73
SciFi is in HD on my DirecTV system. They just recently upgraded a ton of our channels.
Sean “A ship is a ship” I’ll agree with that.
Even though you did not care much for the mirror 2 parter, it was nice to see a Constitution class ship rip an NX class to shreds!
#115. Yes I totally agree. There’s a few other moments in the series when we see that NX-o1 get blown up , assuming the crew escapes I enjoy those scenes…
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#109-112 can I call you Pliskin? Nice post, I heard that Shatner was asked to be in “a Mirror Darkly” he was going to play the evil Kirk that was in the Mirror Mirror episode. They had a storyline where he was a prisoner in that universe and was transported in the past back to Achers time.
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They hassled over price and Shatner wanted too much money so they went
with the episode we call “in a mirror darkly”.
Frankly I’m glad shatner asked for alot of money. I’m happy with the episode without him.
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I also agree that if they series would have lasted, we would be in the 7th year and this Abrhams rebooting wouldn’t be neccessary.
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My list:
Voy
DS9
TOS
TNG
ENT
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Enterprise was an interesting experiment. I agree with those on the board who though Season 4 was very strong. Manny Coto and Reeves-Stevens really hit their stride. The pacing of the shows were great. I saw them more as mini-movies toward the end and they were great. What I found funny was that you could tell difference in quality when Reeves-Stevens or Manny Coto wrote an episode versus when Berman and Bragga wrote an episode. There was a real richness to Trek lore when the former wrote versus the shitness of the later. Take the vulcan reformation episodes for example. The Forge was a tremendously well-written episode. ‘The needs of the many….’ The ‘IDIC’. The second and third episodes were not written as well. The vulcan reformation was basically a ‘fix it’ for the crappy way Vulcans were portrayed in the previous 3 seasons. And it worked, albeit a bit abruptly.
I also thought Jonathan Archer was better written for in the 4th season. He was not a bad casting choice for captain as some say. The writing just didn’t help Scott Bakula for the first 2.5 seasons. At first, I thought he was an allegory to George Bush. There was an episode in the first season where Enterprise Landed on a planet and Archer basically acted like a jackass by being ignorant toward the inhabitant’s cultures, and the natives got pissed. Archer just seemed dumb and naive. I didn’t like that at all. His character was really carved out nicely towards the end of the series. If only the same could be said for GW.
Oddly I saw a moment of this on a TV in a bar last night and the show looked amazing. It was a FX scene I barely remembered and I was reminded of how amazing the Visual Effects were in this series. Also of how damn good Enterprise was.
I’ve tried to post this four times. Let’s see if the fifth time is the charm.
I finally got to see “In a Mirror, Darkly” after missing it every time it aired. All I got to say is WOW! Now, *that* was a love letter to the fans! Loved the Mirror Universe opening credits! I just had a big silly grin on my face the whole time I watched.
Overall, I really liked “Enterprise,” but I did have a problem with the fact that all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Humans smell bad to Vulcans. Huh? I also thought T’Pol’s trellium addiction storyline was lame, lame, LAME! A Vulcan with substance-abuse problem? Huh?
And since we’re getting a reboot with Trek XI, could we puh-lease not have every single Vulcan/Romulan female in the known galaxy wearing that Spock hairstyle? That’s my biggest gripe with the post-TOS franchise overall. Remember T’Pring? Old T’Pau? Saavik?
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
#115
Agreed, that particular moment was pretty cool. I do wish that the remaster project would infuse a little more energy into the ship’s movement much like that episode.
There must be something with the Seans of this board all thinking the FX are not as good as they can be.
Me Sean4000, Sean’s clone, seangh, and sean.
This is strange. lol. But it’s good to not be alone in my opinion.
Haha, Sean’s of the world unite! Except those dirty Shaun & Shawns, we all know full-well they’re spelling it wrong ;)
I do like the remaster project, and they get a lot of things right - Amok Time, for example. I’m just a bit disappointed that certain things weren’t done better.
Oh yes, the Amok Time sequence is my favorite so far.
I won’t hold my breath while waiting for TOS-R to match this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm63K_tkkFc
It’s funny how good these seem when you’re stuck at your in-laws in El Paso over the holiday.
#5 What exactly have you put up on any channel? Are YOU keeping the good stuff out of our vision?
It was a great Thanksgiving watching the Xindi arc and the Alternate Universe arc. Enterprise was just starting to come into its own just as Paramount pulled the plug. No vision from CPA’s and Lawyers who run the show. It’s always the buck. It’s not just the main networks, it’s also the cable channels. There are times that maybe shows like Enterprise could have been shown on PBS like Dr. Who. Very witty, and bordering on the fantasy.