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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;The Return of the Archons&#8221; Remastered Screenshots and Video</title>
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		<title>By: Neville A. Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neville A. Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5-I don&#039;t blame you for feeling this way about this episode, it is stupid somewhat, and to a non-Trekker, it sounds dumb. I still &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; it, though.

#81-Classically-inspired or not, to some people it sounds, and looks, stupid. Not everybody&#039;s knowledgeable about the Greek classics like you, and to expect them to know this as the basis for the episode is a bit much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5-I don&#8217;t blame you for feeling this way about this episode, it is stupid somewhat, and to a non-Trekker, it sounds dumb. I still <i>like</i> it, though.</p>
<p>#81-Classically-inspired or not, to some people it sounds, and looks, stupid. Not everybody&#8217;s knowledgeable about the Greek classics like you, and to expect them to know this as the basis for the episode is a bit much.</p>
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		<title>By: John O</title>
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		<dc:creator>John O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5, #36:

Here&#039;s some food for thought: 

The TOS writers grew up in an age where the classics were more widely taught and read than today:

The idea of a planet full of emotionally repressed, &quot;flat&quot; people was probably inspired by the &quot;island of the lotus eaters&quot; segment of _The Odyssey_.

The notion of the &quot;Red Hour&quot; festival where everyone suddenly goes berserk and starts rioting, is IMHO loosely drawn from the ancient Greek cults of Dionysos.   At certain times and places, the ancient Greeks would feel themselves &quot;called&quot; by Dionysos, and run off into the hills to drink wine, dance madly, and generally carry on outside the prescribed social limits for a few days ... then eventually wander back into normal life.  There is a play by Euripedes called _The Bacchae_ that (fictionally) represents such an &quot;outbreak&quot;.

&quot;Back in the day&quot; -- at the time the originally aired -- most people would have gotten these references, not much exposition or explanation needed, as what the episode posited was well-attested in classical history.

And ...

The (then-contemporary) version of a &quot;Red Hour&quot; could be found at any Doors or Grateful Dead concert :-)

Cheers,

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5, #36:</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some food for thought: </p>
<p>The TOS writers grew up in an age where the classics were more widely taught and read than today:</p>
<p>The idea of a planet full of emotionally repressed, &#8220;flat&#8221; people was probably inspired by the &#8220;island of the lotus eaters&#8221; segment of _The Odyssey_.</p>
<p>The notion of the &#8220;Red Hour&#8221; festival where everyone suddenly goes berserk and starts rioting, is IMHO loosely drawn from the ancient Greek cults of Dionysos.   At certain times and places, the ancient Greeks would feel themselves &#8220;called&#8221; by Dionysos, and run off into the hills to drink wine, dance madly, and generally carry on outside the prescribed social limits for a few days &#8230; then eventually wander back into normal life.  There is a play by Euripedes called _The Bacchae_ that (fictionally) represents such an &#8220;outbreak&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Back in the day&#8221; &#8212; at the time the originally aired &#8212; most people would have gotten these references, not much exposition or explanation needed, as what the episode posited was well-attested in classical history.</p>
<p>And &#8230;</p>
<p>The (then-contemporary) version of a &#8220;Red Hour&#8221; could be found at any Doors or Grateful Dead concert :-)</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: aron smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>aron smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of years after this episode aired a psychologist named Dr. Arthur Janov started appearing on talk shows like the Mike Douglas show, et al., pushing his primal scream therapy. Even jazz trumpeter Maynard Ferguson started sporting a fuzzy hairdo and released a jazz album named &quot;primal scream&quot; Does anyone know if California psycho-therapy cults played a role in this episode? Landru does seems to be based on the type of cult guru figures becoming more popular in 60&#039;s culture. The population is controlled, and then forced to &#039;scream&#039; at periodic interviews like Janov Primal Scream therapy. Perhaps this was a subtle dig the producers and writers of Star Trek were making to the trendy practice and big Hollywood going into the doubful promises of these &#039;new age&#039; gurus. Landru even seems to sport the type of &quot;wild hair&quot; being worn by Janov and others. I would even to hazard to guess that some sort of allusion is being made to Scientology and ridding oneself of mind controlling &#039;thetans&#039; and &#039;freeing oneself&#039; from the brotherhood AKA computer with occasional virus or backup problems...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Primal_Scream 

&quot;Dr. Janov received his B.A. and M.S.W. in psychiatric social work from the University of California, Los Angeles and his Ph.D. in psychology from Claremont Graduate School. Before turning to Primal Therapy, he practiced conventional psychotherapy in his native California.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of years after this episode aired a psychologist named Dr. Arthur Janov started appearing on talk shows like the Mike Douglas show, et al., pushing his primal scream therapy. Even jazz trumpeter Maynard Ferguson started sporting a fuzzy hairdo and released a jazz album named &#8220;primal scream&#8221; Does anyone know if California psycho-therapy cults played a role in this episode? Landru does seems to be based on the type of cult guru figures becoming more popular in 60&#8217;s culture. The population is controlled, and then forced to &#8217;scream&#8217; at periodic interviews like Janov Primal Scream therapy. Perhaps this was a subtle dig the producers and writers of Star Trek were making to the trendy practice and big Hollywood going into the doubful promises of these &#8216;new age&#8217; gurus. Landru even seems to sport the type of &#8220;wild hair&#8221; being worn by Janov and others. I would even to hazard to guess that some sort of allusion is being made to Scientology and ridding oneself of mind controlling &#8216;thetans&#8217; and &#8216;freeing oneself&#8217; from the brotherhood AKA computer with occasional virus or backup problems&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Primal_Scream" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Primal_Scream</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;Dr. Janov received his B.A. and M.S.W. in psychiatric social work from the University of California, Los Angeles and his Ph.D. in psychology from Claremont Graduate School. Before turning to Primal Therapy, he practiced conventional psychotherapy in his native California.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only Anti-Mormon Star Trek episode:P</description>
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		<title>By: xamfra</title>
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		<dc:creator>xamfra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirk&#039;s comment toward the lawgiver&#039;s unemployment wasn&#039;t unintentionally funny, it was meant to get a laugh. 

I think this episode is one of the most bizarre things ever filmed for television. From the artificial placidity of the controlled population, to Red Hour, festival and Tula&#039;s rape, the timid underground movement of old men immune to absorbtion to the creepy summoning of the body turning the population into malevolent zombies. It&#039;s extraordinary. 

Kirk has little patience for the culture amid Landru&#039;s attempted destruction of the Enterprise. 

The first time I saw it I was impressed by the revelation that Landru, who presented himself as a god, was a computer. I think people these days have no conception of the paranoia people felt about the computer revolution in the 1960&#039;s. I loved Kirk&#039;s bravado and ease of destroying an authoritarian ruler whose motives had never been questioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk&#8217;s comment toward the lawgiver&#8217;s unemployment wasn&#8217;t unintentionally funny, it was meant to get a laugh. </p>
<p>I think this episode is one of the most bizarre things ever filmed for television. From the artificial placidity of the controlled population, to Red Hour, festival and Tula&#8217;s rape, the timid underground movement of old men immune to absorbtion to the creepy summoning of the body turning the population into malevolent zombies. It&#8217;s extraordinary. </p>
<p>Kirk has little patience for the culture amid Landru&#8217;s attempted destruction of the Enterprise. </p>
<p>The first time I saw it I was impressed by the revelation that Landru, who presented himself as a god, was a computer. I think people these days have no conception of the paranoia people felt about the computer revolution in the 1960&#8217;s. I loved Kirk&#8217;s bravado and ease of destroying an authoritarian ruler whose motives had never been questioned.</p>
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		<title>By: TOS Purist</title>
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		<dc:creator>TOS Purist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figured they&#039;d pimp up Landru the computer a bit...I&#039;m surprised they left it as-is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured they&#8217;d pimp up Landru the computer a bit&#8230;I&#8217;m surprised they left it as-is.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roxana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5

You made me laugh with the Mr Sulu and the dancing bears bit. I wish there really had been dancing bears!

I think this episode is cool. But then, I thought And the Children Shall Lead was cool...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5</p>
<p>You made me laugh with the Mr Sulu and the dancing bears bit. I wish there really had been dancing bears!</p>
<p>I think this episode is cool. But then, I thought And the Children Shall Lead was cool&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neal - you&#039;re exactly right. It was jarring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neal &#8211; you&#8217;re exactly right. It was jarring.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Seven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Seven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #73, etc.: 
Couldn&#039;t it be that we were looking at two perspectives of the E during overlapping times?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #73, etc.:<br />
Couldn&#8217;t it be that we were looking at two perspectives of the E during overlapping times?</p>
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		<title>By: neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Effects: first shot was breathtaking. Now 2 nitpicks:

1) The next shot, E pulling away, anyone else notice something amiss? I replayed it on tivo a few times. It seemed to me that the planet rotation movement simply froze for a few frames just before the scene ended. This kinda wrecked the illusion.

2) The next-to-last shot shows a rear-view mirror shot of the planet whipping away into the distance, so fast you think it&#039;ll be a pinpoint in one more second.  Then in the final shot, you see the E pulling by with the planet still big and the E moving so slooowwwwwllllllyyyyy past. Those 2 shots sure didn&#039;t fit together.

Nitpickers rejoice. Tis the season to be nitty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Effects: first shot was breathtaking. Now 2 nitpicks:</p>
<p>1) The next shot, E pulling away, anyone else notice something amiss? I replayed it on tivo a few times. It seemed to me that the planet rotation movement simply froze for a few frames just before the scene ended. This kinda wrecked the illusion.</p>
<p>2) The next-to-last shot shows a rear-view mirror shot of the planet whipping away into the distance, so fast you think it&#8217;ll be a pinpoint in one more second.  Then in the final shot, you see the E pulling by with the planet still big and the E moving so slooowwwwwllllllyyyyy past. Those 2 shots sure didn&#8217;t fit together.</p>
<p>Nitpickers rejoice. Tis the season to be nitty.</p>
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