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	<title>Comments on: Trek Stars Coming Out To Support WGA + Fans Invited Too</title>
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		<title>By: Writing Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s Star Trek Day on the Picket Lines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writing Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s Star Trek Day on the Picket Lines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Today is Star Trek day at the writers&#8217; strike. That means that quite a few Star Trek writers, actors and fans are joining in the picket lines at Paramount today to show their displeasure at the AMPTP&#8217;s psy-ops negotiating style. Trekmovie.com sends out the call to all Trek fans in the L.A. area:  Monday?s Star Trek themed day for the WGA writers strike is picking up a number of Trek stars to come out and show their support. The list of actors includes series stars Anthony Montgomery, Brent Spiner, Wil Wheaton, Walter Koenig, and Armin Shimerman. Many Trek recurring guest stars will be there as well such as Chase Masterson, Gary Graham and Vaughan Armstrong (with his band). More stars are also expected to show, but can&#8217;t be sure until tomorrow.  Of course there are also quite of few &#8217;star&#8217; writers coming as well, including Ron Moore, Ira Steven Behr, and Harlan Ellison. The newest stars of the Trek writing club, Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman are also expected to take time out from their work as executive producers on the new Star Trek to show their support. Trek veteran writers Bradley Weddle, David Thompson, David Goodman, Chris Black, Bradley Thompson, David Gerrold, Ken Lazebnik, Jane Espenson, and Mike Sussman will be on hand as well.  You can come too! Fans are also invited to come show their support for Star Trek and the writers.  If you are interested in attending, the check in spot is the Windsor Gate. The event runs from 11-3 on Monday at Paramount Pictures at 5555 Melrose in Hollywood.  Strike long and prosper!  Permalink &#124; Recent Headlines &#124; Our News Feeds [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Today is Star Trek day at the writers&#8217; strike. That means that quite a few Star Trek writers, actors and fans are joining in the picket lines at Paramount today to show their displeasure at the AMPTP&#8217;s psy-ops negotiating style. Trekmovie.com sends out the call to all Trek fans in the L.A. area:  Monday?s Star Trek themed day for the WGA writers strike is picking up a number of Trek stars to come out and show their support. The list of actors includes series stars Anthony Montgomery, Brent Spiner, Wil Wheaton, Walter Koenig, and Armin Shimerman. Many Trek recurring guest stars will be there as well such as Chase Masterson, Gary Graham and Vaughan Armstrong (with his band). More stars are also expected to show, but can&#8217;t be sure until tomorrow.  Of course there are also quite of few &#8217;star&#8217; writers coming as well, including Ron Moore, Ira Steven Behr, and Harlan Ellison. The newest stars of the Trek writing club, Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman are also expected to take time out from their work as executive producers on the new Star Trek to show their support. Trek veteran writers Bradley Weddle, David Thompson, David Goodman, Chris Black, Bradley Thompson, David Gerrold, Ken Lazebnik, Jane Espenson, and Mike Sussman will be on hand as well.  You can come too! Fans are also invited to come show their support for Star Trek and the writers.  If you are interested in attending, the check in spot is the Windsor Gate. The event runs from 11-3 on Monday at Paramount Pictures at 5555 Melrose in Hollywood.  Strike long and prosper!  Permalink | Recent Headlines | Our News Feeds [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TJ Trek</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ Trek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this website is taking sides.  it&#039;s just putting out the information.  Maybe the fact that it makes this post at all could be a little suspect but...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this website is taking sides.  it&#8217;s just putting out the information.  Maybe the fact that it makes this post at all could be a little suspect but&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Commodore Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Commodore Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#45:  Those are valid questions.  The answer, as I understand it, is that the creator of a television shows gets money for each episode in their series, while the writer of an individual episode is only paid for that particular episode.

I don&#039;t know the situation regarding residuals for others in the production team.  I believe that others, including directors, also get residuals.  But I would suspect that there are others who should get residuals, who don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#45:  Those are valid questions.  The answer, as I understand it, is that the creator of a television shows gets money for each episode in their series, while the writer of an individual episode is only paid for that particular episode.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the situation regarding residuals for others in the production team.  I believe that others, including directors, also get residuals.  But I would suspect that there are others who should get residuals, who don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: RedStatesRule</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedStatesRule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#44.  Commodore Z....

That&#039;s a good point.  And obviously, I&#039;m not in a position to disagree.  But considering that the book is your piece of art and yours alone from characters you created (I assume,) and out of your head only (I assume,) isn&#039;t it somehwhat different.  Especially, when the TV writers are creating content for TV shows that they didn&#039;t originate, and just as well characters they didn&#039;t create, which was only one part of the production process.  And with that said, why doesn&#039;t the entire crew see residuels?

I&#039;m not trying to prove a point.  I&#039;m just asking, as a writer from your point of view isn&#039;t it very very different?  And does that factor into your opinion at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#44.  Commodore Z&#8230;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good point.  And obviously, I&#8217;m not in a position to disagree.  But considering that the book is your piece of art and yours alone from characters you created (I assume,) and out of your head only (I assume,) isn&#8217;t it somehwhat different.  Especially, when the TV writers are creating content for TV shows that they didn&#8217;t originate, and just as well characters they didn&#8217;t create, which was only one part of the production process.  And with that said, why doesn&#8217;t the entire crew see residuels?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to prove a point.  I&#8217;m just asking, as a writer from your point of view isn&#8217;t it very very different?  And does that factor into your opinion at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Commodore Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Commodore Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not in the WGA either.  I don&#039;t write screenplays, although I am a writer.  When I write a book, I am paid a certain amount of money, usually not very large.  But that&#039;s okay.  When the book is published, I am paid a small royalty on each copy sold.  This is incentive for me to do a good job, because my compensation is directly linked to how well my work sells.  In this way, I am sharing in the risk that my publisher takes whenever they publish one of my works.  I&#039;ve had books do well, and I&#039;ve made good money.  I&#039;ve also had books do poorly, which meant that I didn&#039;t eat out as often.

I count on royalties to feed my family.  On those rare occasions that I have agreed to write books without royalties, I have asked for a larger upfront fee to compensate me for all the time and effort that goes into my work.

If my publisher were to start distributing my work online without royalty payments, that would be tantamount to theft, as far as I&#039;m concerned.  I work damned hard to earn my royalties.  They are part of fair compensation for the value that I help to create.

Television and film writers deserve no less.  And that&#039;s why I support them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not in the WGA either.  I don&#8217;t write screenplays, although I am a writer.  When I write a book, I am paid a certain amount of money, usually not very large.  But that&#8217;s okay.  When the book is published, I am paid a small royalty on each copy sold.  This is incentive for me to do a good job, because my compensation is directly linked to how well my work sells.  In this way, I am sharing in the risk that my publisher takes whenever they publish one of my works.  I&#8217;ve had books do well, and I&#8217;ve made good money.  I&#8217;ve also had books do poorly, which meant that I didn&#8217;t eat out as often.</p>
<p>I count on royalties to feed my family.  On those rare occasions that I have agreed to write books without royalties, I have asked for a larger upfront fee to compensate me for all the time and effort that goes into my work.</p>
<p>If my publisher were to start distributing my work online without royalty payments, that would be tantamount to theft, as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  I work damned hard to earn my royalties.  They are part of fair compensation for the value that I help to create.</p>
<p>Television and film writers deserve no less.  And that&#8217;s why I support them.</p>
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		<title>By: RedStatesRule</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedStatesRule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#32.

No.  I know.  I was referencing you when I was addressing the other guy.

I understand where you were coming from.  Thank you.  Sorry for the confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#32.</p>
<p>No.  I know.  I was referencing you when I was addressing the other guy.</p>
<p>I understand where you were coming from.  Thank you.  Sorry for the confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story is a little deceptive. Chase masterson, for example, posted a few weeks ago on her Myspace page that she felt the WGA was being too greedy and &quot;shame on both sides.&quot; This story implies that she is walking the picket lines with the writers. I&#039;m all for a good trek-related story but the reporters should note that some of the actors are out there protesting because they want the strike to end, not necessarily because they support the WGA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story is a little deceptive. Chase masterson, for example, posted a few weeks ago on her Myspace page that she felt the WGA was being too greedy and &#8220;shame on both sides.&#8221; This story implies that she is walking the picket lines with the writers. I&#8217;m all for a good trek-related story but the reporters should note that some of the actors are out there protesting because they want the strike to end, not necessarily because they support the WGA.</p>
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		<title>By: James Heaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Heaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#32: Did you mean to address that to me?  I -was- the #4 you referenced, and what&#039;s more I was for the most part agreeing with your points on journalism--even if I don&#039;t agree with you about the strike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#32: Did you mean to address that to me?  I -was- the #4 you referenced, and what&#8217;s more I was for the most part agreeing with your points on journalism&#8211;even if I don&#8217;t agree with you about the strike.</p>
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		<title>By: DJT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a final exam during that time slot. Otherwise, I&#039;d be rollin&#039; out to Melrose Ave.

Represent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a final exam during that time slot. Otherwise, I&#8217;d be rollin&#8217; out to Melrose Ave.</p>
<p>Represent!</p>
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		<title>By: Not Even In The WGA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Even In The WGA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lemme tell you something: I get paid for my design work once; and it goes on to make money for those I design it for in the next several years.&quot;

Wow, you need a better union.  :-)

A lot of the anti-strike comments here seem to be suggesting that screenwriters getting residuals is a rare and magical gift that they should be supremely grateful for.    In truth, it&#039;s a long-established custom in our society that creative artists receive a percentage whenever their work is resold.   Novelists, musicians, songwriters, and playwrights, just to name a few examples.     

You may not agree with that system, or you may think that plumbers and pizza makers deserve the same deal - and that&#039;s fine if you feel that way.  But don&#039;t be thinking them greedy screenwriters invented it.  :)

What screenwriters DON&#039;T get (and all of the above do) is the right to retain the copyright on the works they create.   The studios get the copyright to all the creative work involved in making a movie or tv episode, they need that in order to be able to sell it.      That&#039;s just how the system works, and nobody&#039;s arguing with that.

But it means that while J.K Rowling owns the copyright to the Harry Potter books she writes, and makes a little money off of each copy sold -   Steve Kloves doesn&#039;t own the copyright to his scripts for the Harry Potter movies, Warner Brothers does   So without an ironclad contract, Kloves would have no way to claim his rightful percentage of the massive profits the movies bring in.

And that&#039;s if he&#039;s lucky enough for the studio to admit they made a profit.  Joss Whedon&#039;s been having a lot of fun in interviews by having people guess how much he&#039;s made in residuals for co-writing Toy Story.   The answer is $0.00, because according to Disney, Toy Story didn&#039;t make money.

The bottom line is that residuals are not &quot;bonuses&quot;.   Screenwriters actually accept a lower fee than they should get up front, in exchange for residuals.   That&#039;s how they share the risk with the studios - if the movie they wrote tanks, they don&#039;t get the rest of their fee.

And if that writer&#039;s up-front fee seems amazingly high to you, remember that it&#039;s not a weekly paycheck - a movie or TV writer who sells one or two scripts in a year is a rarity, and selling one brings no guarantee whatsoever that they&#039;ll ever sell another.   (Just one example - William Goldman won an Oscar for writing Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, and then didn&#039;t make another sale for five years.)   

Bear in mind also that a screenwriter typically spends months writing a screenplay, and if no one buys it (and usually, nobody does)  they worked all those months for free.

It&#039;s a hard enough life to be a working writer in Hollywood, without studios trying to REDUCE your residuals.   Which is what is happening nowaways, and that&#039;s what motivated the writers to strike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lemme tell you something: I get paid for my design work once; and it goes on to make money for those I design it for in the next several years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, you need a better union.  :-)</p>
<p>A lot of the anti-strike comments here seem to be suggesting that screenwriters getting residuals is a rare and magical gift that they should be supremely grateful for.    In truth, it&#8217;s a long-established custom in our society that creative artists receive a percentage whenever their work is resold.   Novelists, musicians, songwriters, and playwrights, just to name a few examples.     </p>
<p>You may not agree with that system, or you may think that plumbers and pizza makers deserve the same deal &#8211; and that&#8217;s fine if you feel that way.  But don&#8217;t be thinking them greedy screenwriters invented it.  :)</p>
<p>What screenwriters DON&#8217;T get (and all of the above do) is the right to retain the copyright on the works they create.   The studios get the copyright to all the creative work involved in making a movie or tv episode, they need that in order to be able to sell it.      That&#8217;s just how the system works, and nobody&#8217;s arguing with that.</p>
<p>But it means that while J.K Rowling owns the copyright to the Harry Potter books she writes, and makes a little money off of each copy sold &#8211;   Steve Kloves doesn&#8217;t own the copyright to his scripts for the Harry Potter movies, Warner Brothers does   So without an ironclad contract, Kloves would have no way to claim his rightful percentage of the massive profits the movies bring in.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s if he&#8217;s lucky enough for the studio to admit they made a profit.  Joss Whedon&#8217;s been having a lot of fun in interviews by having people guess how much he&#8217;s made in residuals for co-writing Toy Story.   The answer is $0.00, because according to Disney, Toy Story didn&#8217;t make money.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that residuals are not &#8220;bonuses&#8221;.   Screenwriters actually accept a lower fee than they should get up front, in exchange for residuals.   That&#8217;s how they share the risk with the studios &#8211; if the movie they wrote tanks, they don&#8217;t get the rest of their fee.</p>
<p>And if that writer&#8217;s up-front fee seems amazingly high to you, remember that it&#8217;s not a weekly paycheck &#8211; a movie or TV writer who sells one or two scripts in a year is a rarity, and selling one brings no guarantee whatsoever that they&#8217;ll ever sell another.   (Just one example &#8211; William Goldman won an Oscar for writing Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, and then didn&#8217;t make another sale for five years.)   </p>
<p>Bear in mind also that a screenwriter typically spends months writing a screenplay, and if no one buys it (and usually, nobody does)  they worked all those months for free.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a hard enough life to be a working writer in Hollywood, without studios trying to REDUCE your residuals.   Which is what is happening nowaways, and that&#8217;s what motivated the writers to strike.</p>
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