there is nothing that bugs me more than those who believe they are the arbiter of who is and is not a fan

have a nice day

“Not catering to casual moviegoers obviates any reason for producing a new Trek movie at all. There’s simply not enough cash to be made from what’s left of the Trek fan base to make another film worth the investment. ”

Dennis, I did post “Catering too far beyond the base runs the risk of major failure, as TPB will try to reach tastes having no interest in sci-fi, and certainly not the generally anti-loud/explosions/spinning spceships of the Star Trek universe.”

“Too far” being the point. If–for example–the PTB tried to specifically reach the kind of people who almost exclusively watch “I Love New York”, “America’s Next Top Model” and similar reality TV, or cling to every entertainment show talking about Paris and Britney, the PTB would be making a mistake. More than ever, we live in a world of incredible cultural differences, which modern Trek–no matter the new dressing (ex. the blatant “T&A” of Jeri Ryan & Jolene Blalock in catsuits, etc.) still failed to capture enough interest to keep the franchise alive..and even if some care to watch the occasional sci-fi and/or fantasy film, they usually prefer it in the vein of the Star Wars Prequels, or Pirates films, where its long on flash, short on real story. That is the mind one faces if attempting to go too “wide” in reaching for new audiences–even with the most familiar/popular Trek characters of all.

Not to compare apples and oranges, but how many X-Men fans really complained that the movie failed to include men in yellow spandex? I won’t complain about anything outside of character continuity. Star Trek’s essence was never about it’s cheap props, models, and cell phone looking communicators. It was about the social evolution of mankind within Mr. Roddenberry’s vision. It’s magic was in the cohesiveness and genuine affection amongst a crew that was the very definition of diverse. Combine all of that with some good, old-fashioned fistfights, scantily clad females of varied species, and some blatant political statements–and you have yourself some Star Trek!

Thanks for the context and the reality check.
Nuff said for now.

Lindelof wants to make trek appeal beyond hardcores (like himself) because he loves Star Trek and wants it to be big again. He knows that you cant do the same ol same ol to make that happen.

It is hard for some of us who have stuck with trek to acknowledge that it is not in good shape right now and it needs some re-vitalization…but it does.

Happy Festivus.
Happy New Year.

Not catering to casual moviegoers obviates any reason for producing a new Trek movie at all. There’s simply not enough cash to be made from what’s left of the Trek fan base to make another film worth the investment.

Some Trek fans cling to the belief that there are many millions of “ex-Trek-viewers” that will rematerialize if a Trek movie is made that’s to the tastes of the hard-core remaining fan base, but that’s entirely faith – there is no evidence of it.

Jim, Not berating you… just observing..
He’s just talking. Don’t linger on every word and don’t assume the worst. He, Orci, JJ and other have been relatively quiet and they have fans upset when they don’t speak. Now when they say a little…(with practically no information)… people are mad again.
What did you want him to say? “This will be identical to your Daddy’s Trek”? We know that isn’t gonna happen and be sucessful.