Comments on: AICN Has More Trek Rumors – Orci Responds http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/ the source for Star Trek news and information Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:06:09 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: startrekfan http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/comment-page-9/#comment-391209 startrekfan Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:33:47 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/#comment-391209 I hope "Star Trek" is nothing like "Transformers". The characters in that adaptation were totally uninspiring and stereotypical. The attempts to expand their depth were formulaic and ineffective - "look, its the wife with a baby on an intermittent connection. Now its time to care!" It was like a spoof of "Transformers" without an actual movie to spoof other than 20 year gone cartoons, which were in large part more "epic" than the movie adaptation, even with some of the childish dramatization they employed. Every Star Trek movie to date has had years of television episodes backing it - plenty of time to develop characters, maybe get a feel for workable stories with a group of actors who work well together. All of that is now lost and they are jumping into a new movie and assuming a hit. It's just arrogance. If you really think about it, taking a cultural icon and creating a "success" by standing on the long history of something well known like "Star Trek" or "Transformers" does not take any talent whatsoever. Its like standing outside some large beautiful house and pretending its a recent real-estate deal you closed. Putting a label on a product that rhymes with a big-name manufacturer of a similar product. Talent might be construed as, created a new, successful TV series that took off in a new direction. Why do certain franchises have longevity? People like the existing story and theme. Changing the Star Trek world - 40 years of it - into something more hip and fresh etc - would seem to be more of an ending than a beginning. Star Trek was never about sci-fi. It was about storytelling - a distinction that seasoned writers learned to make with many past mistakes that had time to self-correct due to the nature of television series. Can the same be said for this so-called reboot? I hope “Star Trek” is nothing like “Transformers”. The characters in that adaptation were totally uninspiring and stereotypical. The attempts to expand their depth were formulaic and ineffective – “look, its the wife with a baby on an intermittent connection. Now its time to care!”

It was like a spoof of “Transformers” without an actual movie to spoof other than 20 year gone cartoons, which were in large part more “epic” than the movie adaptation, even with some of the childish dramatization they employed.

Every Star Trek movie to date has had years of television episodes backing it – plenty of time to develop characters, maybe get a feel for workable stories with a group of actors who work well together. All of that is now lost and they are jumping into a new movie and assuming a hit.

It’s just arrogance.

If you really think about it, taking a cultural icon and creating a “success” by standing on the long history of something well known like “Star Trek” or “Transformers” does not take any talent whatsoever. Its like standing outside some large beautiful house and pretending its a recent real-estate deal you closed. Putting a label on a product that rhymes with a big-name manufacturer of a similar product.

Talent might be construed as, created a new, successful TV series that took off in a new direction. Why do certain franchises have longevity? People like the existing story and theme. Changing the Star Trek world – 40 years of it – into something more hip and fresh etc – would seem to be more of an ending than a beginning.

Star Trek was never about sci-fi. It was about storytelling – a distinction that seasoned writers learned to make with many past mistakes that had time to self-correct due to the nature of television series. Can the same be said for this so-called reboot?

]]> By: Zacho http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/comment-page-9/#comment-389022 Zacho Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:13:37 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/#comment-389022 Mr. Orci, I think your body of work speaks for itself. Don't listen to those losers at AICN. I truly feel that you're the right man for Star Trek XI. Personally, I think you guys are gonna knock this one out of the ballpark. Mr. Orci, I think your body of work speaks for itself. Don’t listen to those losers at AICN. I truly feel that you’re the right man for Star Trek XI. Personally, I think you guys are gonna knock this one out of the ballpark.

]]> By: allyn http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/comment-page-9/#comment-387245 allyn Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:09:21 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/#comment-387245 If we're dispensing with Canon in ST 11, just declare that Kirk's death in "Star Trek Generations" is not canon, and have Shatner in the movie... I think Gene Roddenberry did not consider "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" to be canon. If we’re dispensing with Canon in ST 11, just declare that Kirk’s death in “Star Trek Generations” is not canon, and have Shatner in the movie…

I think Gene Roddenberry did not consider “Star Trek V: The Final Frontier” to be canon.

]]> By: Harry Ballz http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/comment-page-9/#comment-386502 Harry Ballz Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:25:47 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/#comment-386502 Knowing Shatner he probably wants a cool million for every word uttered in the introduction........not worth it, thank you! Knowing Shatner he probably wants a cool million for every word uttered in the introduction……..not worth it, thank you!

]]> By: TrekMadeMeWonder http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/comment-page-9/#comment-386430 TrekMadeMeWonder Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:31:22 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/#comment-386430 422. John B. WAIT!! What did I just write??!! We're talking Shatner here. That's BIG bucks. HA! 422. John B.

WAIT!!

What did I just write??!!
We’re talking Shatner here.

That’s BIG bucks. HA!

]]> By: TrekMadeMeWonder http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/comment-page-9/#comment-386414 TrekMadeMeWonder Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:23:12 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/#comment-386414 422. John B. That's GREAT! And we would'nt even need a writer for that! Just may a residual payment. But then, that may be a problem. 422. John B.

That’s GREAT!

And we would’nt even need a writer for that!
Just may a residual payment.
But then, that may be a problem.

]]> By: John B. http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/comment-page-9/#comment-386055 John B. Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:17:11 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/#comment-386055 Here's a rumor that might appease everyone who wants Shatner in the movie--have him do a new recording of "Space--the Final Frontier" intro for the movie. I still think they should pretend like GENERATIONS never happened & somehow squeeze him into the big chair one final time. Hell, it worked for a DIRECTV commercial. In any event, no one has ever split an infinitive as well as Shatner. I fear if he's not involved in some way the negative publicity will hurt the movie. There are only fourteen confirmed instances of where someone will admit to seeing GENERATIONS, anyway... Here’s a rumor that might appease everyone who wants Shatner in the movie–have him do a new recording of “Space–the Final Frontier” intro for the movie. I still think they should pretend like GENERATIONS never happened & somehow squeeze him into the big chair one final time. Hell, it worked for a DIRECTV commercial. In any event, no one has ever split an infinitive as well as Shatner. I fear if he’s not involved in some way the negative publicity will hurt the movie. There are only fourteen confirmed instances of where someone will admit to seeing GENERATIONS, anyway…

]]> By: The Vulcanista http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/comment-page-9/#comment-383244 The Vulcanista Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:19:17 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/#comment-383244 #415 Thanks! Peace. Live long and prosper. The Vulcanista }:-| #415

Thanks!

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

]]> By: Locutus of Alberni http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/comment-page-9/#comment-383017 Locutus of Alberni Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:17:03 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/#comment-383017 CW- I might be completely out to lunch here, but I don't remember Frenzy mass shifting at all. When he shrunk to the size of a cell phone, it was after the Mikaela chopped off his head, and he became half the size he was to that point in the movie. He didn't get the rest of his body back, he just sampled the cell phone and slipped into her purse. When he returned to full size, it was after he'd been "fixed" by the AllSpark. To me, the bigger question was when did Mikaela get her purse back?! :P Roberto, thank you so much for being involved in this thread. Although I'm primarily a lurker, it really is neat that some of the creative team is here, and willing to talk to us! CW- I might be completely out to lunch here, but I don’t remember Frenzy mass shifting at all. When he shrunk to the size of a cell phone, it was after the Mikaela chopped off his head, and he became half the size he was to that point in the movie. He didn’t get the rest of his body back, he just sampled the cell phone and slipped into her purse. When he returned to full size, it was after he’d been “fixed” by the AllSpark. To me, the bigger question was when did Mikaela get her purse back?! :P

Roberto, thank you so much for being involved in this thread. Although I’m primarily a lurker, it really is neat that some of the creative team is here, and willing to talk to us!

]]> By: ensign joe http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/comment-page-9/#comment-382897 ensign joe Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:23:10 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/05/aicn-has-more-trek-rumors/#comment-382897 #417 Tidal Wave from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_Wave_%28Transformers%29 If you have a playstation 2 you can battle him in the transformers game made by atari.. its a great game and a great boss battle.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_(2004_video_game) If you havn't seen the movie yet its a good popcorn flick with great special effects.. i'd get it on netflix if you have it.. they have the HD version.. not sure about blu-ray.. The new animated transformers cartoon is surprisingly good and can be seen on the cartoon network or you can watch the episodes in parts on youtube... hth and welcome to the site!! #417 Tidal Wave
from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_Wave_%28Transformers%29

If you have a playstation 2 you can battle him in the transformers game made by atari.. its a great game and a great boss battle..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_(2004_video_game)

If you havn’t seen the movie yet its a good popcorn flick with great special effects.. i’d get it on netflix if you have it.. they have the HD version.. not sure about blu-ray..

The new animated transformers cartoon is surprisingly good and can be seen on the cartoon network or you can watch the episodes in parts on youtube…

hth and welcome to the site!!

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