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Nimoy On Aging and Revitalizing Trek January 13, 2008

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Nimoy,ST09 Cast , trackback

In a new interview Leonard Nimoy talks about photography, aging and Trek. The 76 year old actor/director/photographer tells Hossli.com that he thinks about death and has even set up a clock that runs backward which tells him how much time he has left. He also feels that the new Star Trek will ‘revitalize’ the Trek franchise.

Excerpts from Nimoy interview

Hossli: Why is it important for you to know how much time you have left?
Nimoy: I don’t want to waste any time. Even if I’m not doing anything I want to enjoy that time. If I’m conscious of the time, then I don’t waste it. I’m conscious of the time I’m spending with you. I’m giving you time that is part of my life. I’m okay about it because it is not wasted. It’s a useful conversation.

Hossli: Currently you´re preparing another “Star Trek” movie. You play Spock as an old man. What kind of ailments does he have?
Nimoy: [laughs, then picks up a photograph] whenever you go to Rome next time you need to visit Villa Borghese. You´ll find Canova´s Paulina sculpture. It´s simply gorgeous. Yes, I´m in the new “Star Trek” movie. Let´s leave it at that.

Hossli: “Star Trek” still has tremendous culture resonance. How has its impact changed over the years?
Nimoy: I haven´t paid much to what´s been happening to “Star Trek”. I´ve been out of it since 1989, almost 20 years. Now were going into a project that in its own way is going to be a very important project if it works. It will revitalize the entire “Star Trek” franchise. It will be a very big, very expensive movie, much more expansive than any of the movies I was involved with. I directed two “Star Trek” films, the last one I directed, the budget was about 27 million dollar. With this one, the budget will be about 150 million dollars.

Star Trek excerpt provided to TrekMovie.com by Peter Hossli. More excerpts at Hossli.com

Photo by Charly Kurz

Comments

1. Redjac - January 13, 2008

First!!!!!!!!!!!

It’ll be a depressing day when Nimoy and Shatner move on to the next life…

2. ShawnP - January 13, 2008

I like the bit about being conscious of how much time one has left. I think that’s a good philosophy for anyone of any age. It certainly makes you strive to make every moment count…

3. THX-1138 - January 13, 2008

FIRST! YES!

4. Paul B. - January 13, 2008

True, but it’ll be a glorious day when all the nimrods who type “First!” move on to the next life.

I hope Nimoy’s right about Trek 11 revitalizing the franchising. If Trek goes dormant for too many years, the next incarnation we get might be like the 1980 and current versions of “Flash Gordon”–that is, nothing in common with the original but the names of characters and places.

Of course, Trek 11 might be that bad…but somehow, I’m still hopeful.

5. John Trumbull - January 13, 2008

Redjac – Shatner & Nimoy are going to being dying on the same day? Do you know something we don’t? >;)

6. Redjac - January 13, 2008

Um, I mean…on different days…whatever days those are will be depressing…ya goose! LOL!!!! Any relation to Douglas Trumbull? That would make you a non-goose….lol!

7. sean - January 13, 2008

Does he have his dates mixed up? Wasn’t Trek VI & his TNG appearance in ’91?

8. Redjac - January 13, 2008

#4 — LOL!!! I only did it to annoy cos I know how much peeps like you love the “First” thing. I happen to agree with your sentiments on those who do the “first” thing…myself excluded of course…lol!

9. manrum - January 13, 2008

I became excited that Lenord Nemoy is in this film. But, why Spock is so old — he was still in TNG, but Vulcans live much longer. I wish, Mr. Nemoy more plot details given and I wish that Nemoy would say more in his interviews.

Does Spock become younger here than in the film? Is he on planet Vulcan, or Romulus, or Starship Earth? Is he younger or older than when he was in Film VI?

– Manrum (Manöverrum)

10. Trek or Treat - January 13, 2008

I think Mr. Nimoy’s perspective is quite common. Heck I think about death and I’m 37. I’m sure that when I reach his age, God willling, I’ll think about it even more.
I remember hearing Mr. Shatner talk about it too at a convention a few years ago.
But to see these guys today, Nimoy in great shape (from what I can see), and the Shat with the energy to be starring in a TV series and being constantly on the go as he is, you can’t help but think these guys have a lot of living to do yet.

To both (and all of the TOS crew) I say Live Long and Prosper, and be comforted by the fact that you have already led such full, wonderful lives!

11. DEMODE - January 13, 2008

1989??? Didn’t the last movie with Spock come out in 1991 or 92?

12. DEMODE - January 13, 2008

I think it was Trek V that came out in 89.

13. CmdrR - January 13, 2008

It takes a very special lifeview to live by a countdown to wormchow clock and remain positive. Personally, I want death to be a big fat flippin’ surprise. And I want it to happen whilst I am 299 years old and making love to two 18 year old nymphettes.

Not that I’m telling God what to do. I’m just saying…

But, I think Nimoy IS as prolific in his 70s because he is an optimist. Shatner, and the rest of the cast, too. (Who’s the youngster, Nichelle?) Anyway, I hope I’m still taking on new challenges until the day I touch the face of God.

14. SPB - January 13, 2008

I LOVE THAT NIMOY USES THE WORD “EXPANSIVE…”

…’Cause none of the other TREK films had that big, epic, majestic scope that THE MOTION PICTURE had. It’d be nice to see that element brought back to STAR TREK. But without the chilly humorlessness of TMP!

15. CmdrR - January 13, 2008

Oh, and Unification and ST:VI were both 1991. So, he’s been away 18 years.

16. CmdrR - January 13, 2008

Well, 17 and change.

17. His Majesty, The Exalted Stanky McFibberich - January 13, 2008

re: 4
“it’ll be a glorious day when all the nimrods who type “First!” move on to the next life.”

I like when they type, “first.”

18. SPB - January 13, 2008

AND…

I’m sure Nimoy doesn’t memorize dates relating to TREK like the rest of us do. The guy was off by 2 years. So flippin’ what???

19. FYI: "First" is LAME. - January 13, 2008

I wonder how much time Nimoy spends looking at this backwards-running clock.

20. Harry Ballz - January 13, 2008

When it comes to aging and death…..the day I pass away in my sleep at the age of 104, my newlywed bride will be so upset she won’t be able to attend any of her college classes that day! :)

21. Kigs - January 13, 2008

Bravo Mr. Nimoy!:)

22. GaryS - January 13, 2008

Bravo indeed.
Well said Mr Nimoy.

23. elmachocombo - January 13, 2008

Films are shot a year, sometimes more before they are released. That would make it hard to remember dates. That, and the fact that he’s pushing 80. Hard to believe. Hey Carl, you get that internet connection up yet? We’re one nerd short here.

24. Captain Dunsel - January 13, 2008

Leave it to Stanky to be a First-lover. Since the first Trek is the only one he loves! lol

More interested in finding out now Leonard knows exactly when he is supposed to die. What it the clock runs out and he is still kicking? And has he already reserved a receptacle to house his Katra?

25. Oregon Trek Geek - January 13, 2008

I think they will have to portray Spock as older than he was in Unification. Unless they do some major special effects on Nimoy, which I hope they don’t. I’m glad Spock is back, but let us all be prepared. He is going to look like a tall green California Raisin. :)

26. Harry Ballz - January 13, 2008

There’s a clock to tell him when life ends
Still enough time to say goodbye to friends
Nimoy knows when to pass his katra
It’ll be in the urn, right next to Sinatra
Classy to the end, he never followed trends!

27. Paul B. - January 13, 2008

8. Redjac – I don’t really wish death on the “firsters” out there (yourself included). I just wish y’all would forget how to type that word…hehe…

Seriously, though, I think it’s great that Nimoy is a little off on his memory of his last Trek involvement. It shows that he hasn’t been obsessing about it, he hasn’t been sitting around waiting for another chance to play Spock. He was done with it, he put it out of his mind for most of two decades.

That makes me think the script is special, since it drew him out of retirement. But then again, I’m one of the few who hated Trek VI: TUC with a passion, and that was Nimoy’s baby (with Nic Meyer), so his liking of this new script might mean nothing. Maybe it’s as heavy-handed, preachy, and unfaithful to the characters as “Undiscovered Country” was.

(Sigh) I hate waiting almost 12 months for this film, but I love the excitement of anticipating a Trek movie again!

28. Diash Demar - January 13, 2008

remember star trek 6 came out in 91 but i was probably filmed in 89-90, so he may only be a year out.. anyway it dont realy matter if hes a year or 2 out. hes in is 70s. i just hope i know what year it is when im in my 70s

29. Diash Demar - January 13, 2008

wish i would press refesh so i could see new new posts before post my post

30. Oregon Trek Geek - January 13, 2008

26. Harry Ballz

I actually liked that one! Probably because I’m a Sinatra fan. Saw him in concert in ’86, ’89, and ’93. :)

31. Oregon Trek Geek - January 13, 2008

29. Diash Demar – January 13, 2008
wish i would press refesh so i could see new new posts before post my post

Perhaps refresh in a separate browser window….

32. SPB - January 13, 2008

#27 Paul B. -

Just curious… I agree that TREK VI is a little “heavy-handed & preachy” (and probably the most overrated of the “even-numbered” TREK films), but how is it unfaithful to the characters?

33. SPB - January 13, 2008

#25 –

“…a tall green California Raisin.”

LOL!!! Not far off, I’m afraid!

34. NCC-73515 - January 13, 2008

I would like to know how the remaining time is calculated… which clock does he use and what data does it need? There are many such clocks on the internet, but the results for me vary…

35. Paul B. - January 13, 2008

#32 SPB – I won’t go into great detail on my issues with the characters in Trek VI, but I’ll hit a few key points. Such as:
– Having them say idiotic things just to make political points (such as Chekov’s moronic “inalienable human rights” comment, which was clearly written only to give the Klingon lady a chance to complain).
– Showing them as idiots in general (Uhura needing a book to speak Klingon!?! And then doing it poorly?! No translator? No knowledge of the language after decades of hearing it?
– The entire “mystery” of the boots/killers onboard. Again, Chekov looks the dumbest, but the convenient plotting (gee, Scotty just happens to hear a vent rattling, but never thought to look there in the first place?!) made them all look stupid.
– The opening scene with Kirk & crew. All of them retiring at the same time? Spock speaking for Kirk and volunteering him to deal with the Klingons and then ACTING SURPRISED when Kirk was upset?!

Beyond the characters, there are countless examples of just plain bad logic and dumb filmmaking. The torpedoes being fired from below the Enterprise–as if their sensors wouldn’t be able to trace the torps to their source? Oh, and the conveniently added digital clock above the viewscreen just so we can see the time stamp during the video playback…

To me, Trek VI was only slightly better than Trek V. VI felt like it was made by people who had never watched these characters before. (Hell, they even have Kirk say “We’ve never been this close before” about the Klingons, despite his entire history with them (see “Day of the Dove” and Trek III, etc.). The stupidity of the Klingon trial.

Oh, and the moronic “Praxis” moon crap. The Klingon EMPIRE is dying because one moon blows up? Even if it wiped out their homeworld, they are a star-spanning empire: Praxis wouldn’t be the disaster they made it out to be (because they were trying too hard for the Chernobyl/Russian parallel).

Of the first 6 films, #6 is the only one I cannot sit through without cursing and shutting it off. I don’t like the TNG films, but even “Insurrection” and “Nemesis” were better films!!!

Sorry to blather so long…I just really hate that movie.

I’ll shut up now so we can get back to talking about how old Nimoy is and whether people should be shot for typing “first!” :)

36. sean - January 13, 2008

#18

I guess it only stood out to me since he mentioned a specific year…not like ‘Oh my last movie was 20 years ago’. No biggie, just made me wonder if there was some significance to that.

#27

I can understand the movie might not be everyone’s cup o tea, but I don’t find it ‘heavy-handed’ at all. It wasn’t as though they pushed the allegory at the expense of the story. We all knew Klingons and the Federation were at peace by the time of TNG, this just filled in the missing pieces. That it used a current event as a template is a long-standing Trek tradition.

I assume you’re referring to the racism when you say it was ‘unfaithful’ to the characters, though I disagree there too. These two powers had been at odds for nearly 75 years, and you don’t think that they’re going to have misconceptions about eachother? That’s incredibly unrealistic. As I recall, even Spock described Klingons as savage in TOS.

37. Harry Ballz - January 13, 2008

#30 Oregon Trek Geek “I actually liked that one!”

Am I to take it that you strongly DISLIKED all my other limericks? :)

38. Paul B. - January 13, 2008

#36 – The racism of the characters wasn’t the “unfaithful” part I mentioned, but it’s an example of the filmmakers exaggerating something just for the sake of the story. And, yes, that’s what I think they did throughout–they “pushed the allegory at the expense of the story.”

We even saw Kirk dealing peacefully with Klingons at the end of Trek V–the previous movie, for crying out loud!!!–so it didn’t make sense for him and the others to have back-slided to such hateful, stupid attitudes.

It’s realistic to have misconceptions about each other, but it’s not realistic to ignore all of the progress that had already been made in that area just so they could have stupid dinner scenes…

Meanwhile, Nimoy’s excited about the new film, and we’re all split about whether to vaporize the “firsters” or not.

39. Tim Handrahan - January 13, 2008

By Mr Nimoys pursuit of doing as much as he can at this point in his life he has proven that Death is overrated: you only get to do it once. Or twice if you are Vulcan.

40. manrum - January 13, 2008

my language difficulty:

Picard kommt auf einen unbekannten Planeten, wo er die Bekanntschaft mit einem Captain einer fremden Lebensform macht, die nur in Metaphern spricht. Da Picard ihn nicht versteht, weiß er nicht, ob dieser gute oder böse Absichten hat…

WHICH IS THE EPISODE???? :) :) :)

–Manrum (Manöverrum)

41. Juli - January 13, 2008

The only thing that makes me sad about the new film is that it is almost garunteed we’ll have a definitive Spock death. :(

42. trektacular - January 13, 2008

I used to love Trek VI as well, but it is really hard to get past Kirk and crew, not to mention the Federation being so racist.

43. manrum - January 13, 2008

#42

I do not understand, why the federation is being so racist. Rodenberry always believed his vision against racism, because he suffered under it, and wanted TOS to show tolerance. Trek VI is very good about how the Sovjets and Americans ended cold war — not racism. My wife’s family live in East Germany, so I have a perspective on Trek VI. Do you not agree?? :)

–Manrum (Manöverrum)

44. Son of V'ger - January 13, 2008

If the ‘only true’ Spock dies in this film I will weep for him as I would for a brother.

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50. manrum - January 13, 2008

#44

if the Lenord Nemoy Spock arrives during the Academy, is he to died, in place of Kirk? I believe, because Nemoy is referred to in this project, he must survive for the following film production. I, tool, will be sad, if Spock dies. But the future of the entire film could be future dager. But the prospective of the entire film might be in the future risk, if he does.

#47

i think i speak for everyone here, when i say: huhh???????

–Manrum (Manöverrum)

51. His Majesty, The Exalted Stanky McFibberich - January 13, 2008

re: 35
I do not like Star Trek VI either. It is my least favorite of the movies, and the only one I do not own in any form. You have already done a good job going into detail describing some of the problems with it, so I will skip that.
Since it was very Nimoy-influenced (and don’t get me wrong, I have liked most of what Mr. Nimoy has done with Star Trek), that (among numerous other reasons) gives me good reason to doubt the wisdom of Mr. Nimoy in endorsing the current project.
Just because Nimoy signs off on something does not assure its greatness.
When it comes down to it, IMHO, Star Trek is much better-suited for TV than motion pictures.

52. CanuckLou - January 13, 2008

Warpler – please repeat! You are breaking up! ;)

53. manrum - January 13, 2008

#51

Can you please specify reasons? I find that Trek VI is very close to my heart, it is the film I love best and i believe it speaks for itself.

54. His Majesty, The Exalted Stanky McFibberich - January 13, 2008

re: 45-49

I offer this as an example to all the anti-firsters just how much good it does to gripe when someone does something so minor and unobtrusive as typing “first.”
It merely challenges people to do more of the same, only in more “spectacular” fashion.

55. manrum - January 13, 2008

“Having them say idiotic things just to make political points……”

HAVE YOU NOT EVER WATCHED REAL POLITICS ON TV?

- Showing them as idiots in general (Uhura needing a book to speak Klingon!?! And then doing it poorly?! No translator? No knowledge of the language after decades of hearing it?

THE US GOVERNMENT WAS FIGHTING SOVJETS IN AFGANISTAN IN THE 1980s, AND THEY DIDN’T HAVE ANY RUSSIAN TRANSLATOR IN THE EMBASSY! REAL MILITARIES AND GOVERNMENTS MAKE BIG MISTAKES WITH LANGUAGE IN REAL LIFE!

- The entire “mystery” of the boots/killers onboard. Again, Chekov looks the dumbest, but the convenient plotting (gee, Scotty just happens to hear a vent rattling, but never thought to look there in the first place?!) made them all look stupid.

YOU HAVE NEVER WATCHED TV MYSTERY OR FILM NOIR??? COINCIDENCE!

- The opening scene with Kirk & crew. All of them retiring at the same time? Spock speaking for Kirk and volunteering him to deal with the Klingons and then ACTING SURPRISED when Kirk was upset?!

SPOCK KNEW KIRK ALWAYS WAS TO BE THE BEST MAN WHEN DEALING WITH KLINGONS.

My capital letters are not for me to yell, but only to distinguish from comments upon which I make the comment.

– Manrum

56. saif - January 13, 2008

can’t wait for the new movie. hard to blieve spock has been out of since 1989.

57. His Majesty, The Exalted Stanky McFibberich - January 13, 2008

re: 53
As I stated above, the earlier post by #35 went into many of the things that bug me about the film.
Just to add, in general the whole tone of the movie seems very un-Star Trek like to me. In addition, the actors by this point (and even in Star Trek V) were too old. In retrospect, ending the movies with Star Trek IV would have been a wise move (and even that one has not held up that well.)
I’m well on record with my feelings toward “solving” that problem by inserting a new cast, in case anyone wants to go off on that. That’s a whole different issue.

58. manrum - January 13, 2008

#57

i find trek VI to be, the film that is most realistic and more trek-like in an interesting version than Voyager or Enterprise, and mostly DS9.

–Manrum

59. Plum - January 13, 2008

#55. Manrum – gotta agree about ST:VI The Undiscovered Country.

The dialog was meant to be relevant and timely. Why some people try to make on as if it’s a PC plot is just silly. :D

Hey, the special features on ST:VI have wonderful interviews with Nick Meyer and the cast and they discuss the history and it’s connection with the film effectively. And hey, being an old guy, I remember the Cold War and how relevant ST:VI was at the time.

60. Michael - January 13, 2008

I disagree on shooting the “Firsters”.
That seems a little extreme for what is basically a minor irritation.
I vote for maximum time in the Agonizer Booth.

61. TrekMadeMeWonder - January 13, 2008

Anyhony?!!!

Something went wrong with posts #45-49. It comes across as unintelligible garbage on my screen. Please delete them!

Also, Mr. Nimoy, why such a grim outlook? With his coin I’d be ready with a surogate and clone. Just in case reincarnation i possible.

Myself? I plan on throwing myself into a glacier in the Antartic once I reach 80. Let the future thaw my out in the 23rd century after they discover I was the author of all these posts on Trekmovie.com!

Now, how’s that for a positive way to view things!

62. Daoud - January 13, 2008

Anth: What’s the scaled value for the budget of the last Trek Nimoy directed? I know you’ve got those numbers around….

#40 Episode ist “DARMOK”. Warum?

63. trektacular - January 13, 2008

Who would want to watch this new film if Nimoy wasn’t involved? If it was just being sold as a prequel film I would’ve been more interested in seeing Harve Bennett’s version, or seeing another TNG film that was well written. Say what you want about Insurrection but it was at least competently written.

64. Daoud - January 13, 2008

Side note: Uhura (or someone) said specifically in STVI “We can’t use the universal translator, they’d detect that.”

There was a good fanon extrapolation (along with what was in the novelization) that they also needed to speak in the appropriate dialect or sublanguage and not “the Kahless’ Klingonese”… Remember “We am thy freighter?”

Anyway, I imagine Uhura was ready with phrases like “>tlhingan Hol Dajatlh’a’?Qapla’!

65. Michael - January 13, 2008

#61. TrekMadeMeWonder –
I don’t see it as a “Grim” outlook at all, but a very positive one.
That he wants to be aware of, and enjoy every bit of time that he has, seem like a very liberating outlook.

Also…65th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

66. justcorbly - January 13, 2008

One of the better things the Trek meisters did was to allow Nimoy to age and change pretty much as the actor playing him aged and changed. Spock has seen more character development than anyone else in the TOS crew. The movies would have been better if the other crew members had been allowed to develope their personalities, as well.

67. Classic trek - January 13, 2008

im surprised harve bennett isnt involved in this project on some level even if its in an advisary capacity. i think he could lend a well expoerienced hand. maybe consulted the guy perhaps.

greg
UK

68. Plum - January 13, 2008

#67 – Classic trek.

Harv? How old is Harv now? I suppose you could wheel him onto the set?

69. martin anderson - January 13, 2008

TOS was a lot less utopian than TNG, showing the transition from being enemies to allies was done well in TUC, its just a shame the Klingons had to take a very different style with their costumes, that plus the Enterprise Interiors reminded me of an old manor house, especially the clock chimes everywhere. You could tell the Enterprise had become an ambassadorial transport ship as the Excelsiors did in TNG…

70. Redjac - January 13, 2008

#67 — Harve Bennett will be 78 this year…

71. Harry Ballz - January 13, 2008

Let’s face it, TUC was nothing more than a glorified Murder She Wrote in space!

72. His Majesty, The Exalted Stanky McFibberich - January 13, 2008

re63
“Who would want to watch this new film if Nimoy wasn’t involved? ”

His involvement in it doesn’t make me want to see it any more than if he were not in it.
I wish he had seen fit to not join up.

73. Go Spock! - January 13, 2008

Fascinating!

(#44 – indeed!)

74. Mr. Atoz - January 13, 2008

Agree with some other posters on here. TUC was poor at best. So many trek notions thrown out the door. As time goes by, I think we all would have been better off without V and VI. When TUC came out in 1991, I thought it was pretty good and I remember renting it in college several times…one to many however, as my girlfriend dumped me shortly after about the 5th time I watched it! Upon further review, TUC is not good.

75. Michael - January 13, 2008

Mr. Nimoy is an icon. I have been a fan of his other acting & Photography for years. I had lost interest in Mission Impossible until he joined the cast.

Now, how many of you diehards want one of these?
A Bluetooth TOS communicator. Guy on ebay is selling these for 380.00 bucks. I want it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJe_luMt4J0

76. VOODOO - January 13, 2008

#74

I disagree.

I think TUC is quite good. It’s not a great film, but it stands up pretty well. They should have ended anything to do with TOS at that point.

TUC gave those characters a dignified ending unlike Generations.

77. Anthony Thompson - January 13, 2008

75th!!! ( I hope)

The theatrical version of TUC was the best of the original cast films but the video version is poor. Don’t understand why BOTH versions weren’t included when the special edition DVD was released. Another example of Paramount showing a lack of respect for the fans and the franchise!

78. Michael - January 13, 2008

Why was my post deleted?

79. His Majesty, The Exalted Stanky McFibberich - January 13, 2008

78
Which one?
I see the communicator one at #75

80. manrum - January 13, 2008

#62

i refer to Darmok episode because people here say they could not understand me because of my language difficulty.

We need more international and intercltural understanding, like Star Trek used to teach. People, which could understand that the Episode synopse are prepared to be on one starship like Kirk, or Spock are and could employ a Darmok in reality better.

–Manrum

81. Buckaroohawk - January 13, 2008

I skimmed the posts and didn’t notice anyone else mention this, so I’ll bring it up.

How can Nimoy (or anyone) have a clock that run backwards to tell him “how much time he has left”? For that to work, you’d have to be aware of the precise moment of your death. I don’t know about any of you, but I’m not privvy to that information myself.

Either Nimoy has some kind of insight the rest of us lack, or he’s already decided when and where he plans to…ummm…leave this particular plane of existence.

Either way, it’s just a bit creepy, don’cha think?

82. Anthony Pascale - January 13, 2008

OK people I find the people who write a paragraph about ‘first’ far more annoying than the ones who type just five characters. Just skip it and move on. you got any http://trekmovie.com/about/feedback

83. BeyondtheTech - January 13, 2008

FIRST!!!!

Just kidding. Actually, it’s probably a life expectancy clock. You can Google it up and find out how many years you have left based on current life expectancy, and factors you can put in, like if you smoke or drink, etc.

84. Oregon Trek Geek - January 13, 2008

41. Juli – January 13, 2008
The only thing that makes me sad about the new film is that it is almost garunteed we’ll have a definitive Spock death.

I’ve never considered the possibility that Spock would die in trek 2008. I hope that is not the case. Surely they have learned their lesson from Generations. I figured Spock would go back to Romulus or go back home to his wife Saavik on Vulcan, following the events of the movie. Speaking of which, a cameo by Kirstie Alley as Spock’s wife Saavik would be so cool! (yes, I know, Spock marrying Saavik is not canon. I think it may have happened in one of the trek novels. Still, it would be cool. It would certainly be canon after that.) :)

85. Michael - January 13, 2008

#79. His Majesty, The Exalted Stanky McFibberich –
It showed back up. I have been having browser troubles lately. Sorry.

I certainly hope that Nimoy/Spock is not killed off in the new film.
Maybe that is what his clock is counting down to.

86. Harry Ballz - January 13, 2008

#84 Oregon Trek Geek “a cameo by Kirsie Alley as Spock’s wife Saavik would be so cool”

With Nimoy’s new book illustrating his predilection for women of a certain shape and size, I think Kirstie portraying Spock’s wife might just be right up his “Alley”!!

Boy, all those cheeseburgers she’s been scarfing down the last few years may, ironically, lead to the best role she’s had in years! :)

87. Michael - January 13, 2008

That’s great! Then she could do another reality show…”Fat Saavik”

88. Steve adams - January 13, 2008

#1 for once a first post has something meaningfull to say.
Yes it will…
^
I think Nimoy is awesome!

89. trektacular - January 13, 2008

72. Nimoy being in the new film sealed the deal for me, strange that wasn’t the case for you.
I do like TUC its just really weird to see Starfleet people being so racist now in hindsight.

90. Mike Thompson UK - January 13, 2008

Well Star Trek 6 was and is my fave! got excellant reviews here in the UK.

It had everything, even the cast loved making it.

We were Very lucky that 6 got made, remember it could have been the acadamy film that Harve wanted.

91. Mike Thompson UK - January 13, 2008

89. Nimoy in the new film has got me hooked too.

92. Dr. Image - January 13, 2008

#35 Paul-
You are SO right about Trek VI. (I’m sensing deja vu…)
Meyer’s arrogance in dealing with the Trek universe is so glaringly distracting that it ruins what’s left of the movie that’s any good.
(The 20th century KITCHEN- with a phaser locker!! Gaaahhhh!!!)
It’s on par with NEM in my book….

And what’s with that STUPID Hossli question about Vulcan “ailments??”
You interview Nimoy and you ask something as moronic as that???
How ignorant.

93. Mike Thompson UK - January 13, 2008

35 its all about appealing to non trek audience!

If you read about Star Trek 6, the director had to make this film in months, they started filming in April and it was out before Christmas.

Oh and didn’t everyone have to take a cut to get it made.

What a great movie especially now to watch De and Jimmy enjoy themselves.

94. Mike Thompson UK - January 13, 2008

Maybe you have all grow so old we are considered a Joke.

Or have heard to many bells at midnight!

95. Green-blooded-bastard - January 13, 2008

I don’t think he has a clock that actually tells him how much time he has left, probably just a clock that runs backwards so he remembers time is fleeting.

And from what i gathered in the interview when Nimoy avoided the “does Spock have ailments” question, I’m thinking maybe the movie starts way out in the future and Spock is old and/or dying, and needs to let his younger self know something vital about the future perhaps? Maybe someone is trying to kill Kirk before he becomes Kirk. Why does the future Spock need to talk with the younger Spock? Would that not screw up at least something somewhere?

96. Harry Ballz - January 13, 2008

There once was an elderly Spock
Who got motivated by a funny clock
His duty, he just couldn’t shirk
He went back in time to save Kirk
And if that’s the plot, it’s a crock!

97. Steve adams - January 13, 2008

Manrum , we got it Darmok. Gheesh

98. CDR Gary Barclay Chief Security Officer USS Endeavour & First Officer Starbase 06 - January 13, 2008

I believe that the new Star Trek movie will reboot the franchise and bring in a much younger audience. Leonard Nimoy “Mr. Spock” is going to keep the interest up for the Trekkies and Trekkers.

99. Katie G. - January 13, 2008

#60

Absolutely hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I agree.

and

#81 Buckaroohawk

I actually was thinking the same thing. He’d had to start at the point of death and work backwards (like Kes in ST:V episode 163, April 1997). Sorry, couldn’t resist.

and

#87 Michael

I actually did laugh out loud. (I hate that “lol” thing. Sorry guys.)

BTW what does “deleted by Admin” mean?

Oh — last but not least:

#35 Paul B.

Best editorial I’ve read on this website. Excellent. Keep it up.

kg

100. Katie G. - January 13, 2008

#60 Michael.

Sorry, Michael. I missed that. It’s getting late…

kg

101. Jabob Slatter - January 13, 2008

OK, “Firsters” must die, no doubt about it.

I don’t own Trek V or VI because they were both horrible, but V definitely reeks more to me. It was Shatner’s performance in those two films, as well as Generations, that convinced me he shouldn’t be in the new film, because he had forgotten how to do Kirk. He was just playing Shatner. Kirk didn’t die in Generations, he died in The Voyage Home.

Nimoy has kept consistent with Spock, and have no fear of him being in this new one. I look forward to it, and hope they pull it off.

102. Harry Ballz - January 13, 2008

Jabob

I think you’re absolutely right about Shatner’s acting in the last few films. Kirk never died, he simply stopped existing!

103. Katie G. - January 13, 2008

#35 Paul B.

Would be interested in reading your opinion on all of the movies, yea, even the series (TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT) but you probably don’t have the time to spare. Please think it over…

kg

104. jfh1000970 - January 13, 2008

Spock goes home to his wife, Saavik. Yes I can see her now. She’s waiting on the doorstep wearing her favorite mu-mu. =)

First!!!!!!!

105. Jabob Slatter - January 13, 2008

I just remembered what I liked about TUC – Captain Sulu and his cool new spaceship! That was the only thing good in a turd of a movie.

Harry Ballz – you’re one damn smart fella. Just thought I’d tell you that.

106. Harry Ballz - January 13, 2008

Jabob

Thanks, you’re no slouch yourself!

As to jfh1000970′s crack about Saavik in a mu-mu….if it’s Kirstie Alley in the part, wouldn’t that be a moo-moo? :)

A fat Vulcan doesn’t sound logical, does it?

107. jfh1000970 - January 14, 2008

Live long and moo.

108. Harry Ballz - January 14, 2008

What’s her mating call?

Moo Pon Farr……………hmphh, sounds like a Chinese dish!

Better not say that too loud, she’ll order six of them! :)

109. Daoud - January 14, 2008

#80 Manrum, when the walls fall down… just in case you’re not familar with two excellent sites in German: the German side of TrekBBS:
http://www.trekzone.de/community/

and of Memory Alpha:
http://memory-alpha.org/de/wiki/Hauptseite

Picard and Darmok at the end.

110. Black Fire - January 14, 2008

Star Trek VI for me was far more about fear of change than racism. Also, those people who had their carees invested in a constant state of war had a lot to loose, not to mention the industry providing the military with equipment (war is good for business since hardware has to be replaced) etc. In this I think the film is still relevant today. All comes together in people conspiring against peace for their very own and sometimes conflicting reasons. I didn’t get the impression that Valeris was a racist, but she would work together with those who were to achive her goal. On one thing I have to agree with another poster though. After ST V the reversal of Kirk’s attitude to the Klingons made absolutely no sense. Could it be those involved rather wanted to forget that movie as fast as they could like the rest of us fans? Deliberate memory loss, so to speak : )

On another note, while his castmates certainly wouldn’t ask Nimoy’s advice on book titles (“I’m Not Spock”, anyone?) they did seem to trust him implicitly when it comes to Star Trek. I was looking at a convention video with James Doohan the other day (taped around the time ST VI was out) and he told the audience that if Leonard thought the Next Generation was good enough for him to appear in the series, then he was not one to hold out even though he’d had his reservations abut TNG before because in their first seasons in his opinion they were rehashing their old plots. (TNG, in today’s TV environment would have been cancelled after its first season.)

111. His Majesty, The Exalted Stanky McFibberich - January 14, 2008

re: 102. Harry Ballz – January 13, 2008
“Jabob
I think you’re absolutely right about Shatner’s acting in the last few films. Kirk never died, he simply stopped existing!”

Harold, the problem with those movies was not Shatner.

re: 105 Jabob
That whole Sulu thing in VI was awful.

112. Shatner_Fan_2000 - January 14, 2008

#20 “the day I pass away in my sleep at the age of 104, my newlywed bride will be so upset she won’t be able to attend any of her college classes that day!”

But not too upset to empty your bank account and max out all your credit cards! :)

113. Shatner_Fan_2000 - January 14, 2008

And for those who always say ‘Shatner forgot how to play Kirk in Treks IV-VII’ …please. The character AGED. It’s how he was written. Just like Spock, he mellowed and had a different perspective on life. He became less obsessed with his command and more reflective on what he might’ve missed. It’s called growth. If Kirk acted the same way at 60 as he had at 30, he would’ve seemed less real.

114. TrekMadeMeWonder - January 14, 2008

SPOLIER ALERT!!!!

From the above article Nimoy said:

I don’t want to waste any time.
Even if I’m not doing anything I want to enjoy that time.
If I’m conscious of the time, then I don’t waste it.
I’m conscious of the time I’m spending with you.
I’m giving you time that is part of my life.
I’m okay about it because it is not wasted.
It’s a useful conversation.

What? Again…

I don’t want to waste any time.
I am conscious of the time.
I don’t waste it.
I am giving you time that is part of my life.
I am okay about it because it is not wasted.
—–
It’s a Useful conversation.
—–

I may be reading too much into it here, but is this a MAJOR plot spoiler?
Is Nimoy saying that his “clock” (time travel device) is set to 12-24-08?

I am giving you time that is part of my life.

His own words to his younger self?
A mind meld to himself at his own untimely death?

Now: About that something a little ‘bird’ told me:
(It’s still missing many specific subplot details that I do not have time to type – but you’ll get the point of it all.)

For all those who can’t wait…

STAR TREK!

Created by (you know who)
Credits roll. (just credits and stars, yawn.)

The movie opens with Spock STILL on Romulus struggling to oversee the final reunification negotiations and diplomatic unions with Romulus and Vulcan.

The now, very much older Spock, is in the agony of losing his mind due to advanced age. Spocks half vulcan/human/romulan family is there trying to assist the now half crazed Spock through his final days. Spock’s son, ‘Christopher,’ tells Spock of a plot of those opposed to reunification (Nero) intend to go back and destroy Kirk on an early academy training mission. That this would put Romulus in the dissident’s hands again.

Spock, now fully distraught and agonized, uses his remaining strength and mental abilities to transport himself through time (a function of Spock’s own MASTERY of Vulcan power and will.)

Present Day…

Kirk is in command of the Enterprise! He is young (a little too young) and in the command chair flirting with a very attractive female cadet. A klaxon is heard and Kirk spins the chair to see a FLEET of romulan ships appearing out of nowhere. Great FX roll on the screen as the Enterprise battles the attacking ships. An emergency hail is heard over the communication channel. It’s the Kobyasimaru. A thrilling sequence wich involve a slick manuever with Kirk ordering the big “E” between the ships of the opposing fleet causing some of them to destroy themselves. The Enterprise escapes with the distressed Kobyasimaru crew, straight off and out into light speed. A hero is made!

But it’s just a test. The lights come on to reveal a young Spock who is ordering the holodeck simulator switched off. With no emotion Spock orders everyone, but Kirk, out of the simulator. A brief discusion with Kirk ensues. Kirk admits to changing the simluator – with the assistance of the attractive younger cadet who is watching from the outside of the simulator. But Kirk, triumpantly, and boldly, takes the full blame. Kirk exits the simulator smiling and takes the hand of his cadet assistant (Carol Marcus).

The younger Spock, hearing his name called, turns only to find his own well worn/time traveled older self deposited before him on the bridge deck, gasping and reaching up to say something important. But he can’t. The young Spock accomplishes a mind meld that is very powerful and perplexing. The mind meld is partially succesful and leaves the stunned younger Spock a glimpse into his (future) friend’s??? (Kirk’s) untimely death. A series of images that are not very clear. The Older Spock then disappears. The explaination is of course that, the future has been changed and older Spock could not have possibly ever done this. The future is new again! Or, is it?

A now much confused Spock must admit to his superior, Captain Pike, that his trainees have messed with the simulator. A scene that is very somber and ends with Spock under much scrutiny. The Academy Panel is attended by Christopher Pike, who is very agressive in his questioning of the test. Spock tells Pike that Kirk is not suited for the Enterprise and should be assigned to a ship of lessor importance. But Pike orders Spock to prepare Kirk on his first assignment on the “Enterprise” as his own 1st officer.

Later in his quarters Spock has a flashback.

A conversation with Spock’s mother (Amanda) happens and she tells a much, much younger Spock of his true half Vulcan heritage. More is shown of the younger Spock having all the troubles meshing with true Vulcan culture. A depiction of truely LOGICAL Vulcan culture is depicted for us on screen, An AMAZING culture HEAVILY vested in logic. So much so that it reinforces the paradox for Spock who is still so unsure of the apparant “friendship” with a roughshot, womanizing, trainnee named Kirk.

Spock, assisting in simulator design at Star Fleet Academy, considers the recent events, his trainees, the test, and of course the mindmeld. Spock continues to watch over Kirk and company Kirk, in particular, excells through his remaining classes at the Academy. Later Spock appears before Pike, and through a good bit of logic, directs Pike to admit Kirk should not be on the Enterprise and that he will assume the first officer assignment himself (in order to ‘protect’ the excelling, but still unfamiliar Kirk, and also possibly stop the time travel plot). Spock suggests to Captain Pike, and the Cadet Review Panel, that Kirk should be assigned, as an Ensign, to a much less pretigous and much older Starship, the Farragut (and old NX class).

When Kirk receives his final scores which are higher than ANY other student on record at Star Fleet Academy he believes he is sure to get his choice spot as first officer on the (Spock perceived – doomed) starship Enterprise. But Spock confronts Kirk and and reveals he has cancelled Kirk’s plum position on the ‘New’ Starship Enterprise.

Kirk receives his orders for his new assignment on the Farragut, which will take him away from a now pregnant Carol Marcus. A deeply sad momment for Kirk is depicted as he tells her he must save his career and head out on assignment. To follow his orders and persue to the responsibility that he is assigned. We’ll see each other again.

Pike and Spock, now on the Enterprise, leave spacedock with the other Star Fleet cadets and crew that we all know. Most are featured. Scotty, Urhura, Sulu, and McCoy, but no Kirk. The new crew head out on thier first adventure. A journey to a planet known as Rigel. The Assignment: The Starship Lexington is missing and the Enterprse crew are to attempt a search and rescue. The Rigel colony is a currently a non-member of the federation but is also close to Romulan territory. Rigel is not much of a threat to most starships in Starfleet. But, Rigel is known to be involved in the Orions’ trading of illegal green slave women. Some of which are also offered to nearby systems and rouge worlds.

The mission begins very poorly.

The Enterprise enters Rigel’s orbit and hails for the missing Starship Lexington. No reply. Sensors indicate that there are known ‘Orion’ starships on the planet. The captain and crew beam down. Once on the planet they are immediately fired upon and captured in an intense phaser battle. It goes poorly for the crew as they lose a young yeoman, right before the eyes of Pike and Spock. Spock is injured in the blast and Pike and the rest of the landing party are captured. The Enterprise is also met with a fire. From the Starship Lexington, now in orbit around Rigel, and also from another mysterious spaceship. Scotty orders the Enterprise to retreat out of the system and without the landing party. Captured on the planet Pike must negotiate with a now treasonous captain of the Starship Lexington. His old friend, Captain Garrison.

Captain Garrison was an excellent officer, but now he apparently delights in many treasures on the planet Rigel (ahh… the green sex slaves.) Captain Garrison tries to conviince Pike of the unlimited power that they could assume with the power of two Starships. But Captain Pike does not buy into Garrisons’ plan. Later Nero makes an appearance in Garrisons quarters and is shown to be locked in a mind meld controlling Garrison’s mind. Later, Pike confronts Garrison, who in his drunken state, tells of the Romulan meld. The mysterious Nero appears again and shoots at Pike with a laser blaster. The fight escallates and Pike is able to steal Garrison’s Phaser. He shoots at Nero but Garrison gets in the way and dies. Nero escapes. Pike then manages to get his crew together and sends a message back to the Enterprise. The rescue is planned well and after another big space battle the Enterprise makes it back to Star Fleet HQ with the recaptured Starship Lexington. Command codes are featured as the primary resolution to the battle. The Romulan ship (with a pheonix brilliantly displayed on the underside) is seen briefly by Pike as it escapes.

In Sickbay, unconscious, Spock begins having more images surface from the mind meld. One image is of a Romulan Warbird firing its torpedos. The next is Pike near death and burning and Kirk in control. But Spock still is unsure of what is all means. It’s not Logical!

Now in sickbay, McCoy is agry over having to pull the sheet over the young Yoeman. Spock wakes from his injuries. Spock and McCoy have thier first real meeting. Spock immediately asks Dr. McCoy when the other crewmembers will be ready for duty. Always the antagonist, McCoy asks the unemotional Spock about Vulcans and thier apparant lack of emotion in the face of death. Spock is on a mission of his own now. With the mindmeld flashes more present in his mind he wants to have everyone back in position and ready for an apparant Romulan sneak attack. But he can’t tell McCoy. Its still too illogical.

Spock meets with Captain Pike later in his quarters. Pike is taking the loss of the young yoeman, and his close friend, very hard. Pike is now talking retirement. Spock who is now suspecting that he also may be to blame suggests to the Captain the the error was all his. Additional information comes in from the remaining crewmembers of the Lexington. It appears that there was an initial attack by an “invisible” Romulan ship that suprised the Lexington and lead to thier initial demise. The coordinates to the initial attack is in the same sector where Kirk is venturing out on his first mission on the Farragut.

Spock, still fearing for Kirk and Pike’s safety, decides to speak with his Captain and tell him of his own mind meld and of the danger that they are apparently in. Pike orders the Enterprise and Lexington to divert back to Star Fleet for needed repairs. Once back at Starfleet, Pike orders to fill the open positions on the Enterprise. Checkov is assigned at this point on the bridge. Additional crew were lost in the last battle and some of Pike’s crew are to be reassigned to the Lexington to support repair. Another mission is planned by Pike to go back to Rigel and the nearby colonies.

On the Romulan Ship a discusion is taking place between Nero and his second. Nero asks why they did not suceeded in killing Kirk? Rigel was a perfect trap. All is uncertain now! We must get this new cloaking technology back to Romulos to stregthen out legions.

Back on the Farragut, Kirk is busy with duties as a weapons officer. In a briefing room the Commander tells his crew (and Kirk) that there is a threat to the Federation near the Nuetral Zone. The smaller Farragut must investigate on thier own, as there is a gap in the Federations defenses. The crew is ordered alert and they warp out. Once the Farragut comes out of warp the crew begins scanning the nuetral zone for activity on the border. Kirk begins scanning all frequencies and spots a much larger ship heading for the neutral zone. Kirk alerts his Captain who decides not to lead the attack before they have the proper support from Starfleet. Kirk begins scanning again and alerts the captain that the strange advanced looking starship is energizing fields around thier ship. Kirk powers up the ships weapons and defenses. Kirk again alerts his captain to regulations, but the captain orders him to stand down the ship’s weapons. The Romulan continues slowly toward the nuetral zone. Kirk performs some additonal scans and watches all his readings carefully. He then quotes another regulation again and reminds the Captain the thier ship will be hard to spot if Enterprsie should arrive. The captain agrees that a secure channel beacon should be established.

Kirk alerts his captain again and quotes regulations. We must persue that ship before if gets out of sensor range! The captain waits and then orders an open hailing frequency to the strange ship. Once the main viewer comes on the Romulan Captain Nero sees Kirk onscreen. A polite diplomatic exchange is offered, the Romulan captain mentions they are on a standard mapping mission and the transmission is lost. The ship continues slowly on towards the zone. Suddenly, the ship spins and a weapon is launched from the Romulan. The bridge erupts in fire as a plasma blast tears into the Farragut.

On board the Enterprise Spock is at his sensor station sees the warning beacon and realizes what is transpiring. Spock alerts Pike who doubles the Enterprises speed. At the higher warp we see Scotty in engineering demanding that Pike reduce the ship’s speed (Canna’ do it any longa’ Captain, She’ll blow apart!)

Back on the Faragut Kirk executes some amazing fire on the Romulan Ship through flames and debris. He one of two left alive on the bridge and is working many controls and stations. Kirk, and a helmsman, manage to steer thier ship into the thick clouds of a giant gaseous planet, therebye obscuring thier location. The Enterprise drops out of warp and begins scanning for federation ships. The Enterprise is unable to find the enemy Romulan ship, but is seeing the federation secure code beacon but is still unable to communicate with the Farragut.

Pike orders a landing party. Pike, Spock and McCoy beam down to the engineering department to find a wrecked ship and few survivors. They beam over the few left alive and after scanning for more they find life on the bridge and make there way there. Once at the bridge emergency bulkhead, Spock scans to find a rapidly diminishing life support environment. Pike orders Spock to stay with McCoy and ready the Transporters for beamout. Pike enters to save any he can and comes out with the helsman but returns for Kirk. He returns just as the Romulan ship appears on the main screen and fires. Flames and Plasma erupt again thoughout the bridge and Pike is caught inside as the bulkhead slams shut from the distruction. Kirk, Spock and McCoy beam out.

Once on the Enterprise Kirk is revived and Spock tasks to re-energize and save Pike. But alas, he is not soon enough and a badly, badly burned Pike is beamed aboard.

The Enterprise, now vulnerable without their shields up takes massive hits from the Romulan Ship. Kirk joins Spock on the Bridge and takes position at the weapons consol. He offers a polite excuse to the ensign to move asside as spock looks on with a nod.

The ship is rocked by another massive hit and Kirk “orders” the bridge crew to dive into the gas giant as it would be a good place for cover as the Enterprise cannot raise shields fast enough. The Enterprise dives into the atmosphere just behind the smoldering Faragut.

The Warbird withdrawls into space back to Romulus.

Kirk and Spock have a discusion on board the Enterpise about what to do about the Romulans. It’s you he wants Jim. I know Spock, some how I always knew. I saw the look in his eyes. We have to stop him now.

After some time passes and through another one of Scotty’s miracles the Enterprises’ engines are reenergized. Kirk ‘recommends,’ to Captain Spock, that they launch sensor probes out of the atmosphere gas giant to get the enemy positions. The sensors return visuals of a massive Romulan fleet comming into position to surround the Gas Giant planet.

Kirk comes up with a plan and it is executed. They would use the Faragut
After many scenes of positioning Romulan ships sliding into place the finale erupts!.

A final scene of the battle is a phaser blasting Enterprise warping around the gas giant depositing antimatter warheads and then exiting the Gas Giant just as the whole thing goes up in a HUGE matter/antimatter explosion. Destroying the whole of the Romulan fleet.

Later…

Medals are given to the crew. A conversation is had between Kirk Spock and McCoy. The whimiscal nature of it makes sense to Kirk and McCoy, but for unemotional Spock he has trouble even understanding why Kirk and McCoy are so happy with what happened. It was all because of you Spock. Cheers!

We then see Kirk, as captain of the Enterprise, on the bridge with the cast all around, with the crew we all love, going away into deep space on a brand new adventure.

The End. – The adventure continues.

And… at the very end of the movie

There is a fade and a reveal to show Kirk pulling a much older Spock by the hand, up out of bed and back to full conciousness in a hospital on Romulus with his family all around. Present living cast included.

115. JBS - January 14, 2008

#114 Trekmademewonder – Yes you are reading WAY TOO MUCH into what Mr. Nimoy said in the interview. He spoke of and showed that clock on the TOS series DVD, season 2, disc #7, Special Features, “Life Beyond Trek: Leonard Nimoy.” The dvd shows the copyright year 2004, and Leonard’s clock showed he had 5,400 days left when he did that interview (it’s a handheld digital clock that goes as far as counting down to the seconds). I wish I new exactly when that interview was done, then I could figure out how many days he has left now (geez, I’m such a nerd, and I like to play with numbers too).

When I first saw that interview in the dvd, I thought how morbid and sad to be thinking of one’s death constantly like that. But now that I read the Hossli interview, it makes sense as a an excellent motivator to not waste time, and to appreciate life in general. I want one of those clocks now because I have been wasting too much time and have become increasingly unmotivated as I get older.

I don’t know what little birdie told you that supposed plot spoiler story, but I’d say your birdie has flown the coup. ; )
“Spock, now fully distraught and agonized, uses his remaining strength and mental abilities to transport himself through time (a function of Spock’s own MASTERY of Vulcan power and will.” Really?! That would be a real stretch of the imagination. Sorry, I’m not falling for it. Does your birdie also work for AICN?

116. seigezunt - January 14, 2008

dream on…

117. JBS - January 14, 2008

#110 Black Fire – I agree with your assessment of ST VI. I liked the movie. Something that I have always found appealing about Star Trek, is the complexity, intelligence, thought provoking, timeliness, and the fact that each movie is so different from each other. What was the difference between Spiderman 3 compared Spidey 2 & 1? Nothing. (Same could almost be said for the Star Wars movies, in general. I like Star Wars, but their plots are hardly complex or thought provoking.) Not so with ST.

The only thing that bothered me about STVI was Valeris; just found her very annoying. Didn’t like the way she was portrayed or written.

118. JBS - January 14, 2008

Manrum, I admire your bravery. I would be afraid to try to communicate in another language. Don’t let some of these posters get you down – American’s like to tease, it’s an ingrained part of our sense of humor. The more we feel comfortable with someone, the more we tease them.

119. JBS - January 14, 2008

Harry – I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again – you are a very bad boy.

120. Buckaroohawk - January 14, 2008

TrekMadeMeWonder (#114),

Whew! That was a damned impressive story! I found myself really caught up in reading it. Technically, it playes around with the timeline of known Trek events a little bit too much, though. Remember, Kirk had no knowledge of Pike’s accident in “The Menagerie,” and Chekov is way too young to be present at some of the events you describe above. I don’t really buy into the time travel through “force of will” thing either. That gives Spock almost Q-like power, which is a bit much. Still, the scope of your outline is great and the action would be awfully exciting. A fine effort from an true Trek fan!

Although it seems certain that the new film will jump around a lot in time, we still don’t know for certain if it will actually involve time travel. I’m still hoping that it doesn’t. Time travel has been a Trek plot crutch for far too long. If the production team truly wants to revitalize the franchise, I’d like to see them leave that particular plot device alone for a while.

121. sean - January 14, 2008

#38

Sorry Paul, I didn’t see the extensive post you made (must have been posting around the same time). I have to say though, the friendliness with Klingons in V is what was out of place, not the hatred from VI. I mean, David was murdered presumeably a few months before V, yet Kirk is inviting the Klingons over for a party? That’s my main issue with V, the tone. It’s all wrong. IV had plenty of humor, but V went for broke. It always felt to me that VI was pretending V didn’t happen, which is probably for the best.

That aside, I still think you’re nitpicking about VI. Most of the movies had plot issues/holes, but we accept them (and many you mentioned can be easily explained). The problem starts when we get a movie consisting of NOTHING but plot holes (TFF).

I still stand by my assertion that the racism was necessary and realistic, given the history behind the conflict. Is TUC truthfully any more ‘preachy’ than TVH’s ‘Save the Whales’ message? It was about peace and overcoming human imperfection. I can’t see how that’s any less Roddenberryesque than most Trek stories.

122. Gene L. Coon (was the better Gene because he) was a U. S. Marine - January 14, 2008

I thought I read somewhere (here) that one of the producers said XI wouldn’t be a time travel story. That would leave # 114 with a big “nevermind”.

I sort of hope it is a time travel story in some respects. Otherwise, we are stuck on Spock Memory Lane, and nothing gets changed, or fixed. Kirk (cough) falling off (cough) the bridge (hack) (cough!). I also don’t want to see the definitive Spock death. Seen it. 1982.

123. Katie G. - January 14, 2008

Re #114:

Okay, no more caffeine for you!!

Couldn’t read it. Took one look at how long it was and got tired and went to bed.

kg

124. manrum - January 14, 2008

#118 JBS

Thank you!!!! :) I like to tease as well. And how does #114 compose such a extensive message? I could not read through it!

#109

Thank you for reference the German sites, although I am familliar having seen them. I find that trekmovie.com has much better information over the new movie, even if in English. And if you wonder, i can READ english much more fluent than I can speak and write. So i understand you despite my difficulty of expression.

–Manrum

125. Turgenev - January 14, 2008

One hundred and tenth!!!!!

#80 Darmok epsiode was very good Trek, if not a slightly irratating.

Hey- do you suppose Spock will die in the new film? His backwards clock having stopped for eternity? Now that would be something we never saw before!

Perhaps Carrot Top could off him… hit him with the ol’ Spock Clock…

126. Turgenev - January 14, 2008

Oops…

One hundred and 25th!!! Gotta hot refresh…

127. TrekMadeMeWonder - January 14, 2008

115. JBS

[I don’t know what little birdie told you that supposed plot spoiler story, but I’d say your birdie has flown the coup. ; )]

Just something I heard after a long disscusion on a recent plane flight.
It REALLY does pay to fly first class. I THOUGHT I WOULD PASS IT ALONG. Now THAT’S funny! ; )

I, for one did not have as much of a problem with the ‘time travel’ element of the story, and I was very satisified in learning about the ending. By the way, the treament I saw WAS marked ‘corporate headquarters and ran about 26 pages. That’s why I thought it was real.

Take it or leave it, but I THOUGHT, after reading what Nimoy was referring to in this article, that I would let everyone in on what I had heard. That’s why I posted it. For you. For us. For those left wondering.

Sorry, but remember, from the top I, I did say SPOILER ALERT!

128. K. M. Kirby - January 14, 2008

I think that this next movie will be about his memories, with narration.

129. Daoud - January 14, 2008

#125 To me, the annoying thing about DARMOK was that it’s “Comrade” (spelled phonically as KOMRAD) backwards. A bit… obvious.

Furthermore, I liked it more the “first” time I saw the story with Lou Gossett and Dennis Quaid when it was called “Enemy Mine” ;)

130. Leonard Nimrod - January 14, 2008

I like First because it comes before second and if you aren’t first…you’re last!

;-)

131. TrekMadeMeWonder - January 14, 2008

130. Leonard Nimrod

That last post reads (and digests) just like Spam.
What’s the purpose of it?!

132. Jabob Slatter - January 14, 2008

Every time I reveal my belief that Shatner was bad in every Trek movie after Voyage Home, a bunch of feel the need to prove me wrong, but it is, alas, only in your own minds.

I realize Kirk grew older, but instead of playing Kirk as an older guy, Shatner plays him as himself. AT LEAST THAT’S THE WAY I SEE IT. My understanding of Kirk’s character leads me to believe that he would not have allowed himself to age the way Shatner did. I think Bill realized this, and just started acting like Bill. This is not a criticism, and I love Shatner, but he wasn’t playing Kirk any more. TO ME.

This is clear in Trek V, VI and Generations. TO ME. There is a very different approach from Shatner in those films, and a very different Kirk. Don’t ask me for specifics, you won’t be convinced anyway, because so many of you believe Shatner can do no wrong. To that I have only to say:

The Final Frontier.

I rest my case. On to other discussions now.

133. steve adams - January 15, 2008

Great post #35!!!!

134. trektacular - January 15, 2008

110. I actually hated Starfleet being portrayed as so miltirastic, more than the racism issue.

135. Black Fire - January 15, 2008

#134… but it ties in well with the direction Deep Space Nine took. Starfleet was well on it’s way to becoming more militaristic and it is one of the reasons I have trouble with DS9.

136. Turgenev - January 15, 2008

So, who, besides me, is gunna start following Leonard around the day his Spock clock is set to expire? I mean, looming around him… waitng to catch his Katra (that thingy he passes on, you know…)

Then, me and Darmok could go cruise for some big chicks.
(kidding there- Nimoy’s artistic outings have been “facsinating”… Go in search of his latest book.)

137. k egan - January 15, 2008

I like all the star trek movies. even five
Star Fleet militaristic? only when it has to be!
Kirk s acting ,he was acting like Kirk
Star trek is a view of the future that is ment to be entertaining and if you get to critical and start arguing about this that and the other thing maybe Gene should have written a western instead.
however debate on the future inspiered by star trek is logical.
[Even if my spelling is not...]

138. Wm - January 16, 2008

When Nimoy last directed an ST movie that was back in ’84, the “Voyage Home” and the budget was $27 million (in 1984 dollars). The new ST movie is budgeted at $150 (in current dollars). Nimoy needs to factor in the inflation effect into his numbers. Even if he does that, I am pretty sure the buget for the new movie will still be greater than the budget he had worked with in ’84.

139. Wm - January 16, 2008

$27 million ( in 1984 dollars) is equivalent to $55.6 million (in present day) with an inflation factor of 106%. That number is still far below the $150 million budget.

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