Comments on: Abrams Talks Canon And Fans

By: Laserlover2254

Laserlover2254 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:22:58 +0000

#134:
What? When?

By: Laserlover2254

Laserlover2254 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:19:29 +0000

#13,

We can’t help it. WE HATE BERMAN AND BRAGA. But Ron Moore and Ira Steven Behr… ah…

By: Closettrekker

Closettrekker — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:34:29 +0000

#182–Yes, he is the dejected “father”. Some of what he said later on was nonsense and sour grapes, and his creative ideas had certainly gone South. On the other hand, I do like what he had to say about the direction the Trek Universe had taken and how it was a departure from the early vision. Trek, IMO, definitely took a darker turn in more recent times. That may very well have been necessary to maintain the attention of audiences (I don’t think Gene was capable of that by that point), but it makes the art no less “corrupted”.

I think his comment about the Borg was meant to draw credit to him and say, “Don’t forget about me–I started this!”.

Would Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin recognize America today? Probably not.

Gene’s Trek , not long after his death, had very little in common with what was being presented on television as “Based on Star Trek–Created By Gene Roddenberry”.

By: Alex Rosenzweig

Alex Rosenzweig — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:22:48 +0000

#179 – Alas, that statement by Mr. Roddenberry made no sense, even at the time he made it. A major point of TMP was that the inhabitants of the machine planet didn’t even recognize carbon-based life-forms as “true life-forms”. The Borg, however augmented, are still very much organic and carbon-based at the foundation.

Fortunately, comments by Mr. Roddenberry don’t constitute canonical datapoints, and I found that by the mid-1980s, it was often better not to put too much stock into his meta-commentary.

By: Shaun

Shaun — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:47:11 +0000

$200 million would truly be going where no Trek film has gone before… But this one isn’t gonna go there either. Honestly. I don’t know what the most successful Trek films (most notably, ST4 and First Contact) box office looks like today after adjusting for inflation, but it’s still a very tall order to expect this movie to do something the others haven’t.

It’s assuming all of the fans will support this thing, and that’s not a given at all seeing how divisive this project has been. It also assumes that the movie will draw an audience beyond the normal fan base. Again, that remains to be seen. I guess I’m not sure what this movie is supposed to offer non-fans that the previous movies haven’t. If you reinvent the wheel, is it still Star Trek? I’m skeptical.

Now that the movie’s been bumped back to 2009, the next question is what summer films Trek will go up against. That’ll make a difference too.

By: Garovorkin

Garovorkin — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:23:18 +0000

179 Moogie I don’t think the Star Trek cannon concening the Borg supports that statement by Roddenberry. First Vger and the Planet he is from is technologically far beyond the Borg and the Borg If I understand the established history correctly evolveded in the delta Quadrant

By: I Love My Moogie

I Love My Moogie — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:12:36 +0000

Talking about what’s canon, Roddenberry once said Decker joining with V’ger was the birth of The Borg.

“Kirk Unit, burp me”

By: Alex Rosenzweig

Alex Rosenzweig — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:53:44 +0000

#173 – Not only was Dr. Asimov hired on as a Special Science Advisor, but the film’s Science Consultant was Jesco Von Puttkamer of NASA’s Solar System Development Office. They took the science and the realism very, very seriously in TMP.

By: Closettrekker

Closettrekker — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:55:47 +0000

One damned minute, Admiral.

By: Garovorkin

Garovorkin — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:19:07 +0000

You will be assimilated resistance is futile