Stewart On New Movie, Shatner and His Trek Warehouse February 16, 2008
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: TNG , trackback
This week Patrick Stewart hit the new York Stage in the title role of “Macbeth” at the Brooklyn Academy of Music. In a couple of new interviews the actor talked about the show and of course a bit about Star Trek. Stewart said that he would consider playing Picard again, talked about his friendship with William Shatner, how he is glad to be back on the stage and even about his Trek collection. See below
On returning to his role as Picard, Stewart told Bloomgerg:
I think it’s very unlikely they will invite me to. There is a new “Star Trek” movie, but it’s a prequel to the original series. I would certainly consider it, because I love that character.
Stewart on Shatner and not taking things seriously
Stewart told Bloomberg that there was no rivalry between Trek’s biggest captains. Of Shatner, he said “Bill is one of my dear friends…He’s an absolutely stupendous individual and I adore him." When asked if they joked around, Stewart said:
Of course we do. The important thing is not to take it too seriously. I’d been an actor for 27 years before I put on that spacesuit. I’m so grateful for it. It meant when the series ended I had a career that wasn’t connected to it that I could return to.
Back where he wanted to be
In another interview with the Daily News Stewart said that he was "incredibly insecure" when he first returned to the Shakespearean stage, but went on to say it was where he always wanted to be:
All I wanted to do when I left drama school was act on the stage as often as possible in Shakespeare. I had no ambition to be a television actor. And then unexpectedly a lot of things just happened to me which included going to Hollywood and doing seven years of a television series and then these blockbuster movies.
But Stewart still looks fondly back at his time with Trek and to his fellow cast mates (some of whom are on the benefit committee for the opening night gala at BAM):
I was making some money for the first time in my life. … I was enjoying myself. I was lucky to have a magnificent core group of actors to work with on ‘Star Trek.’
The Picard Auction
Stewart also told Bloomberg he has a "a small warehouse full" of Star Trek memorabilia and that he plans to "do something with it in the near future" like put it up for auction. In previous interviews the actor has said that he was always given copies of every one of his costumes and he surely has additional items, so the memorabilia community would certainly be excited about Stewart opening the doors to his warehouse.
There is more from Stewart at Bloomberg and the New York Daily News
VIDEO From BAM
The New York Times also showed up to see the gala premiere and has video of it and some interviews including a quick snippet with the man himself. Click image below to see it.
`Macbeth” runs through March 22 at 30 Lafayette Ave., Brooklyn. Information: +1-718-636-4100; http://www.bam.org .
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The Shat versus Special Guest Star, Patrick Stewart, in Boston Legal would be very cool!!…………..
FIR– never mind…
First!!
They should cast good old Picard in something…come on?
FIRST! yeah i know who gives a crap. but yeah go stewart! wish i could see macbeth, not to mention get a piece of your collection
damn. guess when i said first i meant fourth
I’ve always said they should reunite the Next Gen crew to undo the ‘Generations’ death thing in a TV movie that would fix canon.
Sorry to bring up that tired old story but it’s one suggestion that frees things up a bit and helps alot of trekkies.
It would be great to see Picard in action again,even though Nemisis didnt do well at the box office,I think The next generation still has a large fan base,and there are still more adventures that could be done with Picard and the Enterprise E.
2nd (maybe)! Look, to be honest, I’d sure like a better send off movie for The Next Generation cast and crew and to have the Data/B4 issue settled.
So here’s to giving Stewart one last go-round as Picard!
Unfortunately, I think the last adventures for Picard were in the electronic games world — Star Trek: Elite Force II and that semi-new game that didn’t do too well.
A TV movie/Mini series which ties up the “current” universe (If the movie does split off into its own timeline) would be a nice end – But with CBS holding TV rights (doesnt it?) and the current rush to re-establish the tentpole shows of each network I dont think it’ll come any time soon.
Well… At least he doesn’t hate Star Trek… thats a good thing. I’ve all ways been a Kirk fan, but I didn’t grow up watching TOS. I grew up with The Next Gen, and I think Picard’s character is great to.
It would be cool to see him do something with Trek, but chances are slim.
Oh well…
Picards cool but hes gotta hate being called picard and having the nerds follow him like lost puppy dogs.
*breaks in and steals his Trek stuff*
# no question the man can act.
I remember this interview where Stewart admitted to being a Beavis and Butthead fan.
I kid you not.
Put a toupee on him (just something to make him look different) and make him one of the toughest instructors at the academy…
Love it.
kg
#15 I actually saw that interview myself and was stunned by that one.
I don’t have much use for watching actors stuffed into girdles and hairpieces to play characters that haven’t aged while they’ve aged two or three decades. Just looks silly. And, unconvincing.
If Stewart plays Picard again, I’d like to see him play the character 20 years after Nemesis.
This makes me feel a bit better. In other interviews it seemed as if he was harboring a lot of resentment toward Trek. Glad to see that’s not the case.
Somehow I don’t see Picard stuffed into a hairpiece (maybe small ones growing out of his ears). And from what I’ve seen he doesn’t need a girdle yet.
I also would scream for a TNG ending movie that does the cast justice but I suspect Spiner is probably past the point where he can perform Data with any degree of credibility. Perhaps CGI but I can’t see Brent going for that.
His mustache makes me nervous
We have 176 episodes and 5 movies of TNG. Haven’t we seen enough of Patrick Stewart??
Don’t get me wrong, even as a TOS Purist I still like the guy, but seriously. “He should do Star Trek again?” Are you kidding me? Aren’t there OTHER people from Star Trek who could use a bit more of the spotlight?
#18 “If Stewart plays Picard again, I’d like to see him play the character 20 years after Nemesis.”
At this rate, that should be JUST ABOUT right. . . . . . . ;)
5 Next Generation Movies?
Generations
First Contact
Insurrection
Nemesis
Am I missing one?
stewart was easily the best guest star on extras
“and then all her clothes fall off…”
thanks to j.j we now can have a proper tos tng crossover movie too!
well fingers crossed!
24 Infinite Diversity
No, you’re not missing any.
Star Trek: The Motion Picture December 7, 1979
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan June 4, 1982
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock June 1, 1984
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home November 26, 1986
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier June 9, 1989
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country December 6, 1991
Star Trek Generations November 18, 1994
Star Trek: First Contact November 22, 1996
Star Trek: Insurrection December 11, 1998
Star Trek Nemesis December 13, 2002
Star Trek May 8, 2009
lets not get into a ‘my trek is better than your trek’ war again. Lots of us would love to see Picard in action one more time, but we all know it isn’t going to happen.
Interesting. It has been “I’m never going to play this character again” for quite a while. But now it’s “I’d certainly consider it”. Change of mind eh?
DON’T WRITE OFF “T.N.G.” JUST YET…
I think one of the main failings of the TNG movies was that they were released WAY too quickly after the 7th season bow of “All Good Things.” The producers never gave fans and the general public a chance to actually MISS the TNG characters and actors, and/or build-up any sort of momentum and legacy. There was no grace period where fans thought, “Man, won’t it be great if they ever made a TNG movie???” We already knew they were working on one halfway through Season 7!
Anyway, if STAR TREK XI is a smash success and they manage to squeeze a trilogy of films out of the whole, um, enterprise, who’s to say that the next batch of STAR TREK films couldn’t focus on the return of the TNG crew? We’ve had the middle-/old-age years from the TOS crew… I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility that we could see at least one more TNG film, as a PROPER send-off to the TNG era.
(Of course, by that time, it’ll be around 2018 and TNG would have already been 30 years old! Stewart & Co. may be a little TOO long in the tooth.
On second thought, maybe it’s not such a good idea after all…)
Glad to see he’s not downplaying his Trek history as he had been for awhile…. he was almost badmouthing it for a time, to put distance between it and his serious acting. At least now he’s letting up some and acknowledging it and even leaving the door open for something.
hey have patrick stewart play boothbys grandfather in the nes startrek movie
The TNG cast is far too old for another movie, anyone see Gates McFadden lately? She now looks more like Wesley’s Nana than his mother. Denise Crosby hasn’t aged very well either, not that she can play Yar. Jonathan Frakes got fat & Troi’s days as being the ‘chick’ (as she puts it) are long behind her. Plus, Brent Spiner is the first to say he’s too old to continue playing Data..uh..B4..uh, whatever.
Gotta say, Patrick Stewart is my greatest hero cos of Picard. Now I guess we face what has become of Kirk…the ‘big return’ that perhaps will never be. That said, I feel that Picard left on-screen Trek in Nemesis with the dignity that the Undiscovered Country did with Kirk (and that ST Generation’s crapped upon!).
I for one would LOVE to see Stewart return as Picard…but I have to wonder, deep down and in all seriousness, will ‘they’ make the same mistake with him that they did with Kirk (i.e. a baaaaad exit)?!?! I certainly hope not.
I’d love to see him put on the uniform one more time and give us one of his earth jarring speeches , with his British baritone voice.
“MAKE IT SO!!!”
I want to voice my strong support of seeing Patrick Stewart again as Captain Jean Luc Picard in another Star Trek film. First Contact will always remain one of my personal favorites right up there with Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country. And while the chances of Stewart playing Picard again are very slim right now, I honestly thought Leonard Nimoy would never appear in a Star Trek production again and well….what did I know!!! You never can tell what the future holds for Star Trek, even with this curren film!
This whole, ‘FIRST” thing is beyond annoying, and rather adolescent. Can we please knock it off, I mean really who cares?!!
According to the interviews ive seen and read I dont think Patrick Stewart is keen on the Idea of Playing Picard again. Indications are that he wants to move onto other things the fact that he is doing Mcbeth suggests that he would like to resume theater and stage work. The man wants to put Picard behind him, he is entitled
#36 – Entire threads have been all but devoted to that subject; it’s been discussed more than the actual “first-ing” itself. At this point the only thing to do is let it drop and just ignore it; the attention whores who do it will eventually get bored with the lack of response and discontinue their foolish crusade.
Either that or Anthony will delete any post that just declares “first!”
I’d love to see Patrick as Ambassador Picard or some such. But, really those stories (Relics, anyone?) tend to be eccentric to the point of being distracting. It would be nice to have a scene that really made sense in the context of a really good movie. We’ve got two more and Patrick is the youngest 60something I’ve ever seen. Here’s one more rule from Cmdrr’s handbook: Don’t kill off anyone major! It’s old. And don’t blow up the ship anymore. GAD, I’d take ANY starship they’ve blown to hell just for a cheap thrill.
Anyway — nice to see Patrick is mellowing as he gets more and more of the stage work he so loves.
I think i read once that JJ and the team would like to
make a post TNG movie!?
I hope i did not mixed up some of the 1000 comments i read and a real statement.
Tomaz a Trekker from Slowenia By!
Beyond however many Trek films that Abrams ends up doing, Trek is going to have to reinvent itself again.
If Leonard Nimoy’s Spock is in TNG time, then they could find some way to include Captain Picard in the movie.
Macbeth is playing at the BAM? Interesting, I may go and check it out if the tickets are reasonable.
#42 Patrick Stewart doesn’t really want to do any more Trek and i don’t think studio wants him to reprise the role anyway. I think that the next generations time has past, i dont think anyone wants to do a reboot of next gen either.
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If we’re going to continue to bring Star Trek crossovers onto Boston Legal let’s get Gary Lockwood to guest. I hear he’s still around and I heard at Comic Con this summer what a card and an untapped character he is to be around. He started Trek with Shatner on the first episode….let’s have him end Boston Legal with him.
What combination of timing and circumstances would have to come together to make another TNG ?
Re: #32. I Love My Moogie
“The TNG cast is far too old for another movie…”
I really hate to admit it, but it’s true. I thought Frakes and Sirtis looked awful at the end of “the series “Enterprise” (where they are in a holodeck and it appears that they were viewing Archer’s time as Captain as studying up on a mission). Frakes was huge and Sirtis’ hairpiece wasn’t on right. OMG. It was really embarrassing.
Brent Spiner is getting pretty big as well (as are some of us — me, anyway) and it breaks my heart but as the saying goes “all good things must come to an end”. I enjoyed them very much but just like in ST:VI, the crew was looking too old. Very sad but I’ll just get my DVDs out…
It is more to everyone’s credit that they KNOW when it’s time to say goodbye, as much as it rends the heart. I hate change, but it’s part of living. What’s exciting is, included in change is another “crew” to take us on new adventures. I believe we’ll be just as sad to see them go when they do.
Hurry up May 2009!!
kg
The moustache makes me think he is appearing as Mirror Universe Picard. The facial automatically makes you evil, like Spock or Universe B Bender.
#45
That would be a nice little piece of serindipity-doo, wouldn’t it?
I also wish Nimoy would relent and guest on BL.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
49
Won’t happen. Because it’s a good idea and because I want it.
As far as Nimoy being on, I think I’ve mentioned elsewhere, he was pretty emphatic, even after Shatner got the audience involved at a convention I attended, that he was not interested in doing that.
Both would be good ideas.
I hate it when Actors say one thing then another….they’re like politicians. Not so long ago, there were articles on here on how he hated trek and was soooooooooo glad to be back in England on stage and how he would never ever want to play Picard again. I guess hes deceided to keep his options open. Typical.
Holy crap!!! If i could get my hands on Picards Uniform I would $%^& myself.
#27 Anthony
Sorry to disagree with you but “We all know it’s never going to happen” is a line that a couple of years ago perfectly fit Leonard Nimoy as Spock. What it will take is someone like JJ who loves TNG and who has the power to make it happen. We may not ever see that day but let’s not pull a Sean Connery either.
I enjoyed TNG. In fact, I grew up on it. That said, I consider the TNG movie era to be a complete failure. A lot of people like First Contact, and it made some money, but it seems really contrived to me. As far as the TOS movies go, I agree with the standard even-movie rule. That gives Trek 3 or 4 wins out of 10 tries. This new movie needs to be very, very good. If it is, it’ll have some sequels. Once they’ve run their course, it could be time for a 25th century Trek TV series. It would require a truly outstanding writing team, though, otherwise it will just rehash everything from the other shows. If it gets that far, and the show is good, you all might get to see Stewart reprise his role in an episode or two.
51
I think it would be just as appropriate to say most politicians are like actors.
#51
He never said he hated Trek. That’s simply untrue. He merely said that Trek was behind him, and he was living in the present & more interested in talking about his current projects. He also never said he wouldn’t want to play Picard again, just that it didn’t appear he would be doing so. Let’s not twist the man’s words.
I sincerely hope and pray that the sun has finally set on all of The Next Generation characters.
The Original Series characters seem to have been the only ones that have made any kind of lasting effect on popular culture.
TNG was okay while it was on, solely because it served to remind us what we were missing from the Original Series.
No one will be clamoring or concerned about any TNG characters 40 years after their debut.
TOS still generates the buzz.
I really believe stewart when he says this stuff.. He lacks the arrogance that shat sometimes conveys. Stewart realizes that trek isnt all about picard, I felt intense joy when I read that Patrick would appear in star trek again someday, It just bugged me that in the recent past that he wanted to get as far away from trek as possible..Thank you patrick!!
TNG is DEAD and should stay DEAD! They had their shot and blew it! Looking forward to a Pike adventure, something that has been ignored for far to long!
Stewart could appear in a TNG, DS9, Voyager ensamble movie, meaning that the star attraction would be evenly spread out among all of the trek stars so that no one will have to bear the weight and burden of holding the entire (Ensamble) movie together all by themselves..it would be like (Camero-mania) do it for the team!
I don’t think a MOVIE is realistic.Maybe a TV event of some sort when the time is right.
#60 – Would they call it “It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Star Trek?”
Even as fat and as old as they are I still would rather see another TNG movie than a recast TOS movie.
Let’s face it, Patrick Stewart is enjoying himself these days and recognizes that by saying he would be willing to play Picard again opens the door to a possible $5 million paycheque down the road for several weeks filming in some Trek extravaganza………….why not? Wouldn’t you?
Although Picard never appealed to me, I always admired Stewart for being a versatile actor. And it’s good to hear that his friendship with Shatner is going strong – IMO it’s significant that the people who managed to acquire a career of their own, within and beyond ST, sustain and appreciate their friendship with the Shat.
And it definitely bode well for the ST characters that a couple of their actors, notably Shatner and Stewart, came from the classical theatre background and were able to incorporate that into their roles.
Seriously if TNG had gotten this kind of hype that this new movie has, I would be even more excited.
When Shakespeare was alive his work was a bit what Trek is to us today. They had no cinema at the time. They had to go to the theater. Shakespeare took off all scenography and put the focus on the characters on stage – at the time this was revolutionnary just the way Roddenberry was in the sixties. Shakespeare’s characters were archetypes just like the trek characters are. I am pretty sure that in some 100 years trek will be discussed just like Shakespeare is discussed today (and school classes are gonna be as bored) but seeing it this way I perfectly understand, why Patrick can imagine to reprise his Picard any time. And I am sure it would fit. Because it is archetypal. And as cinema in our time took the place of the Shakespearean theater. New actors reprising existing characters. Same Stage, same roles, different actors. The play is what counts. Trek canon vs. Shakespearean conon – in fact there is no versus. In the Three Musqueteers we believed in Gene Kelly as we lifted up Kiefer Sutherland. We loved Michael Keaton in BATMAN and we welcomed Christian Bale. We adore Nimoy and we hail Quinto. It is the story that matters if the thing is good. It is the character not the actor and then first it is the actor and nothing else. Caruso was not the first to sing the songs that made Caruso famous. It was all about the songs. And so it is about Trek and about Roddenberrys visions and then it is about the acors incorporating them. That is why even a fat Frakes can reprise Riker. That is why I understand that Stewart can think of reprising Picard. That is why Pine and Quinto can reprise Kirk and Spock. They carry the torch, the idea. That’s why we bear and support them. It is theater that became cinema. Just another dream machine. A vehicle for ideas.
Stewart is the man. Not only does he make an awesome starship captain, he’s a cool guy with a sense of humour. Of Shatner I can only say the first ;)
I dont think we need any more TNG crew movies… i think we need a Titan series!! WHO’s WITH ME????????
I’m not at all interesed in seeing TNG or TOS or any other show’s actors stuffed into their characters as if nothing has happened. Nimoy would not be believable playing the TOS Spock. It’s to the writer’s credit that they aged Spock as the actor playing him also aged. They did not do that with other characters.
I would be interested in see a few characters 25-30 years on, if they were portrayed realistically. What is Picard like 30 years after retirement? That’s a better prospect that simply suiting Picard up and putting him back in the Enterprise as if nothing had happened.
(Also gotta say to each his own, but I when I watch TOS reruns today, it’s pretty tough to take it seriously. The cheap sets, the cheap production values, and the often cheap and hammy acting are turn offs.)
I think from an acting standpoint Patrick Stewart wants to move beyond Picard and do other things . We really can’t demand that for rest of his career play this one character not matter how popular and beloved it may be. Its time to move on beyond next Generation it had a good solid run.
“I think it’s very unlikely they will invite me to. There is a new “Star Trek” movie, but it’s a prequel to the original series. I would certainly consider it, because I love that character.”
Well, there you go people. Patrick Stewart has said himself that he would consider playing the role again. I think is fantastic news. Shows he hasn’t turned his back on the character. I would love to see him in a movie again. A cameo in the new film would rock. A final TNG Movie released during their 25th anniversary would be fantastic.
Much as I like Patrick Stewart, TNG long overstayed their welcome. Plus the TNG chicks are now so old, Stewart has more estrogen than Beverly, Troi, Yar & Whoopi combined.
The reason audiences accepted TOS cast aging & not TNG is because Picard & Co. were pushed on us as the ‘young’ new cast & by NEM they were pretty pruned-up. A 60+ year old Stewart playing action hero was really pushing the envelope (especially after 7 seasons of being so afraid to even beam down with a landing party..oops..away team) .
As for DATA….
I think it would be easy to have him in a TNG movie again. It could be as simple as having Q bring DATA to Picard at the end of the film to say goodbye. You could do it similar to DS9 when Sisko talks to his wife in the last episode and they are surrounded by a white light. That same effect was used in the Q episode Tapestry. Q was fond of DATA (Data saved his life, after all.) I could see him doing something like this for Data.
Also, we never actually saw DATA die. Who is to say someone didn’t beam him out at the last minute? Even Q could have rescued him at that moment. Endless possibilities to bring him back. As for Spinner looking to old, there are ways around that. The “white background” scene I mentioned would be easy, as he would appear to be surrounded in white light. With the CGI Technology developed to make Patrick Stewart look younger (start of X-Men 3). it would be easy to use the same technology to make Spinner look younger.
>>”Picard & Co. were pushed on us as the ‘young’ new cast …”
Huh??!
Young characters demand young actors. You can get away with actors in the 30’s and 40’s playing characters in their 20’s and 30’s (as in TOS), but that’s about it.
The reason you create new shows and new characters in any franchise is that actors always grow too old to play their characters. Yes, you can age the characters, but that usually means moving those new characters into new roles in their lives, for the sake of credibility. Action heroes, as in Starfleet officers, have to pass a physcal, you know.
That doesn’t mean that great stories aren’t possible for those characters. They just need to be written. What’s wrong with a movie that includes an Admiral Chekov and and Admiral Uhuru, for example, along with some new guys doing the running and jumping? Frankly, I’d rather see that than a recast Kirk leer at yet another hapless maiden.
You wouldn’t cast a 50-year-old Sara Michele Gellar as Buffy, would you, without rewriting the character to fit the actor? The notion of a 50-year-old Gellar playing a girl barely out of adolescence surrounded by a bunch of other kids is silly. Ditto in Star Trek.
(BTW, the problem with the TOS movies is that the characters, excepting Spock, did not age. There were tokens of aging, like Kirk’s spectacles, but they essentially continued to play the characters they played in the 1960’s. For me, at least, watching them was often a cringe-inducing exercise.)
#75: (BTW, the problem with the TOS movies is that the characters, excepting Spock, did not age.”
???
Kirk turned 50 in TWOK & they reached retirement age in TUC, Kirk was even turning gray.
TNG were billed as the new younger crew, now that they are ready to apply for AARP there is no further use for them under that label, fans are not crying for their return, in fact, they stayed away from NEM in droves!
The other factor is, except for Stewart, most of the cast hasn’t aged very well, On ENT Riker looked old & very bloated & Troi had clearly passed any hint of youthful attraction. Even under heavy make-up, Dorn looked past his prime in NEM & Spiner, close to 60 is very honest about being too old for the role. Even if Data was programed to age, it’s highly unlikely a failed prototype like B4 was too.
Let the TNG crew move to assistant living & lets have a Seven of Nine, Jadza Dax, Hoshi Sato & T’Pol Starfleet Academy dorm movie, doubt any dude would leave a negative comment on this concept!
#73
That’s a mistake the TNG movies made – trying to cast Picard as Rambo. But let’s face it, Stewart doesn’t look 70. He’s always been in great shape. I can believe him in the action in Nemesis (horrible movie it was) more than I can believe bloated and expressionless Sylvester Stallone trying to play Rocky or Rambo again.
#75
I don’t really understand your crtique of the TOS movies. They DID age the characters, not only visibily but through the themes of the films. The first two are all about Kirk bucking against the idea of being a desk jockey and accepting the aging process. That continues with Kirk becoming a father, seeing his closest friend die, then eventually facing retirement. What did you expect them to do with the characters beyond that? Never give them any action scenes? People don’t hit 50 then curl up and die. He may be older than me, but I’d personally not want to fight Clint Eastwood because I suspect he’d kick my ass. And the guy is nearly 80!
The Buffy comparsion doesn’t really work. To have her still in high school when she’s 50 is just absurd and contrary to common sense. However, to show her acting as a Watcher for a whole new generation of Slayers would not be. And even in that role, there’s nothing that says she can’t kick a little ass from time to time. It’s not as though Giles just remained in the background of every fight, sitting on his hands.
And really, over the course of six films I can only remember 3 physical fights between Kirk and a baddie – Trek III (Kruge), Trek VI (The prisoner, the Shapeshifter). In both of those movies the situations arose because he was outside normal circumstances (disobeying orders, being in prison). If Jack Palance (how cool would it have been if he had played Chang as he was originally supposed to?) could do one-armed pushups when he was 73, I say Jim Kirk could throw a few punches when he was 60.
As for being cast alongside much younger ladies, well, if you’re going to call them on that then you’ll need to take it up with the last 80 years of Hollywood. I couldn’t even begin to name the number of leading men that exceeded their female co-stars ages by several decades.
#76
I think Gates McFadden aged very well. And am I the only one that thinks Troi got more attractive in the movies? I never thought much of her in TNG, but when First Contact came around I thought ‘Wowza!’.
The Data arguement makes sense, and even Brent has admitted it. But really, other than that, there’s no real reason they couldn’t have more adventures with the TNG crew. To say they’re all too old is a bit silly, especially in light of a new movie that will feature Spock at nearly 160!
Why not a new new series based on the Mckenzie Calhoun Star Trek Book series? Why cant they do something in the next generations time frame but somewhere else another ship in the fleet, or why not a science vessel and have them actually do a story with exploration in it , something that Trek seems to have gotten away from a little bit. Or what about on board a Klingon ship? If f Stewart and co can’t do another film there are some good options here to consider.
Patrick Stewart’s DNA needs to be examined. The man does not age!
I never liked Picard or TNG, but at least he has good taste in his friends. How can you not like Bill shatner!
#78: “I think Gates McFadden aged very well”
I beg to differ on that, her eye sockets sunk in, not a youthful effect.
“And am I the only one that thinks Troi got more attractive in the movies?”
I agree with you on that one! Troi was hotter in the last TNG season, VOY & the four movies after she lost weight, lightened her hair & got rid of most of the makeup. However by the time she did ENT, menopause took it’s toll on her.
#80
No, it’s not Stewart’s DNA that needs examining. It’s that portrait of himself that he has hidden in his closet that warrants closer scrutiny. (Oscar Wilde reference. Anyone care to guess what it is?)
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
#80: “Patrick Stewart’s DNA needs to be examined. The man does not age!”
Plus with a dark full head of hair Stewart looks exactly like Timothy Dalton.
#84 Moogie yeah of the cast he has aged the best.
Maybe we will see a Star Trek – The jam series with our favorite trek characters…why not..?
#83
So Stewart is really Dorian Gray! Makes sense.
#82
Oh no! Her eye sockets have shown signs of aging! Well, clearly it’s time to stick her on an iceflow and wash our hands of her. ;)
I still say she’s aged very well. What, you expect her to look 30 forever? She’s nearly 60, and I still maintain she’s aged incredibly well. She was quite beautiful in Nemesis (better looking than some of her younger costars).
#84 Moogie here a thought for you Why dont they do a movie about Picards first command The Stargazer, you pointed out the fact that timothy Dalton does resembel Patrick Stewart with hair, I think that would be a terrific film. What do you think? could it work?
#87
DINGDINGDING! We have a winner!
It’s an incredibly disturbing story, by the way.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
# 84 Moogie , Sean , Vulcanistra, Harry Closettreker, Katie A J I just wanted to say goodby to all of you I have worn out my welcome at this cite, it only took me 4 days to acomplish this feet for me that is a record. I have enjoyed my time here, I thank you , it was the most fun I have ever had, I ruined this for myself and am sorry for that. in the end I alienate everyone around me which is why have no friends at all, My fault
#76 M: The TOS movies continued to bring the orginal cast back to the bridge of the Enterprise. Yes, there was passing reference on occasion to their “day jobs”, and occasional token acknowledgement of the passing years and their changing physiques, but we never got a chance to see what their lives and careers had become after they left the Enterprise. It always seemed incongruous to me in the later movies that these characters would still be commanding a starship, and the plot devices that got them there seemed forced.
#77: Gellar-at-50 taking on the role of a senior mentor for other slayers is exactly the kind of thing that did not happen in TOS. What we got was Kirk, et al, back on the bridge of a starship doing pretty much what they did all along.
#88: “She was quite beautiful in Nemesis (better looking than some of her younger costars).”
Granny Gates better looking than Dina Meyer? Nooooooooooo way!
#89: Nah, I have had enough of Picard.
I still think my Starfleet Academy spring break with 7 of 9, Dax, T’Pol & Hoshi is the way to go. Uhura can be the den mother & teach them her Nimbus 3 feather dance.
Garovorkin
tell us a little about yourself…..where do you live? What are your hobbies? :)
Patrick Stewart in MacBeth = Awesome! If not for the now defunct startrek.com, I would never have known about the performance at BAM and would never have been able to get tickets.
#92
I guess we’re just watching different movies. What you call ‘passing’ references are the thrust of the entire storyline (to me). Star Trek II & VI are almost entirely about aging, death and moving on in life. That’s far more than a token acknowledgment.
In terms of Kirk still being on the bridge at 60, well, that’s pretty reasonable. Not only is that consistent with current military systems as I understand them (it’s not like every commander over 60 is an admiral or a desk jockey in our modern military), but it’s already been established that people in that time period live longer. It would make sense for them to hold posts for a while.
Besides that fact, we had Scotty being promoted to the rank of Captain, Sulu being promoted to Captain and getting his own command, Spock attaining the rank of Captain, Uhura & Chekov both becoming Commanders and Kirk going from Captain to Admiral then back to Captain again. Chekov was serving as 1st Officer on the Reliant in Trek II, and Trek III saw the entire team split up in different duties (Uhura at SF Command, Scotty on the Excelsior). One assumes Earth owed Kirk a favor after Trek IV, so he pulled them all back together again.
In terms of the Buffy/mentor relationship, we DID see that in Trek time and time again. Savvik, David & Valeris were all variations on that theme. I admit that keeping the crew together for 30 years was a conceit, but hardly the biggest in storytelling. Plus, you have to remember that Treks II-V all happened within a few months of eachother. Not really a big stretch to imagine the crew staying together that long.
#91
Did I miss something? Why would you have overstayed your welcome?
Sean
a compliment, sir. I’ve been reading your posts for months now and, may I say, you always put forward a reasoned, rational and well-worded commentary on all things Trek. #97 is a perfect example of that.
It’s a pleasure to get your feedback on every aspect of the Star Trek universe. Well done!
#99
Wow. Thanks Harry! I’ve been reading your limericks for months, and enjoying them thoroughly myself!
#97: I don’t think we saw different movies. We just reacted to them differently.
I’ve no problem that someone who is 60 can command a starship, in the 23rd or any other century. And, yes, the Kirk we saw in the movies was someone who’d been promoted to Admiral and shoved behind a desk. That lasted for a few minutes until he stole a spaceship. That’s the kind of plot device I’m talking about. After he’d done that, he and the rest of the TOS crew fell back into their standard roles.
Nothing wrong with that, and I suspect it was all made necessary when Nimoy changed his mind about quiting Trek. After all, they did have to resurrect Spock at that point.
Truth is, though, that there’s nothing about any of the movies that would have prevented them rom being made in the 1960′’s, immediately after the demise of TOS. Hence, that’s what I mean by “passing reference”. The scripts used a few simple gimmicks, e.g., the spectacles, the notion that they were getting older. Their characters, and the story, though, ignored all that. We may have been told they had moved on, but we did see a plot centered around that notion. Instead, the writers chose to throw them together on the Enterprise, just like in the old days. I think a credible and rather fine movie or two could have been made be going another direction.
For myself, the wrinkles and/or girth of the actors degraded the later movies, with the exception of Spock (and even that came close sometimes). I just saw actors who were too old, too big, or too whatever to behave as they were behaving.
I enjoyed the movies. However, I wanted to see how those characters behaved in the situations their lives had taken them, and the movies did not do that.
Re: #91. Garovorkin
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? What makes you think you’ve worn out your welcome?
If it’s because I didn’t respond to your posts — I just had time to post my last comment last night then go to bed. Had to get up early (had to sing at a church in Alliston this morning). Then had lunch and awaited company which called at 6 to say they wouldn’t be coming so I thought I’d take a few minutes and catch up with you guys. I just logged on a few minutes ago (T.O. time) and have been reading the comments posted while I was gone.
Sometimes I post comments and don’t get any responses. I was disappointed but decided not to take it personally. Is that what caused this melancholy mood because I can’t see anything that you’ve said that was offensive!
Take a deep breath…
and talk to us.
kg
#91.
Garovorkin, how did you wear out your welcome???
#95 Harry look I made an frotunate off the cuff remark about Patrick Stewart andf what his career would have been like if not for trek and that he nede to make nice to fans even the Idiot once. Well i got take to taken to task for my comment by more then a few people. one of them was gentleman by the name of Rod of Rasalon who as i discovered was a friend of Patrick Stewart then i get what i though was the silent treatmen I figured i done something irredeemable and it was best i move on besides A j probably going shut my account down anyway i requested him to do so. I go back and u do my request otherwise if you sean, Moogie and the rest of you If you want me gone tell me so and I will leave . I have no wish to be problem or annoyance.Rod if your reading this I still think English theater is overrated.
Garovorkin
we want you to stay…..do you understand and agree?
#104:
Garovorkin, stay!
Re: #104 Garovorkin
OMG. I thought that’s what it was.
No way. There have been many, many much worse comments than anything you’ve posted.
In the short time I’ve been a regular here, the perceived “silent treatment” has happened to all of us. Don’t take it personally. Guess no one has an opinion on your comment or they are just busy wanting to talk about what’s on their mind at the time. Like I said above (#102) many of us have posted and not gotten a reply. Other times, a whole bunch of people reply. Depends on everyone’s mood.
You have not been offensive (not that I could see, anyway). Trust me when I say that some other threads were REALLY bad and Anthony had to step in. I’ve seen some columns where some people HAVE been banned.
If you have a different opinion than someone else, all you need to do is make the disclaimer “in my opinion” and be careful not to slam the person making the opinion. If someone freaks out, it’s their problem. I think the majority of the people enjoy a good debate. I just sit back and watch Closet-Trekker go with some of his discussions and it leaves my head spinning. I can’t keep up at that level! All I do is stick a comment in here and there.
So please don’t worry about it. Hope to see you on other posts in the future!
BTW, I think it must be EXTREMELY frustrating for Patrick Stewart to have people come to his plays dressed in Star Trek garb. If it were me, I would just die. Some of us were so fond of him we just don’t want to let go but as I’ve said before, we have to.
Oh, and btw, S-T-A-Y-! :-)
kg
This is a strange situation we find ourselves in. Garovorkin, many comments are made on the boards, even questions are asked, without getting feedback. Just the way the site and members are. Chill man.
Re: #90. The Vulcanista – February 17, 2008
“DINGDINGDING! We have a winner! It’s an incredibly disturbing story, by the way.”
Hey, I knew that! My buzzer isn’t working right, Mr. Trebek!!”
Love that movie. Poor Jessica Fletcher, uh I mean Angela Lansbury. Yes, chilling.
Haven’t seen Hurd Hatfield in many other movies. Maybe he was suffering from being typecast (or I just don’t get out much).
Re: #81. Mr. Bob Dobalina
Nice name. Which album was that one on? (”Zilch” medley by the Monkees.)
Now I REALLY HAVE TO GO GET DINNER.
kg
#101
We definitely did, because I’m still not seeing what you’re seeing.
We saw the characters reacting to where their lives had taken them. Did you want to see them post-retirement, hanging out in Starbase bars? In the SF Old Age home? Aside from that, I can’t see how their interactions or lives would be that much different on another starship or location. We saw them interacting with younger crewmembers, in training situations, reacting to aging, seeing old friends die, facing promotion, and accepting retirement. They stayed active and took their duty seriously (except in Trek V, but nothing in that movie can be taken seriously!).
The spectacles were important to the theme of Trek II, and hardly a gimmick. And again, I’m not sure what they could have done to make the film’s theme of aging more apparent. Any more than what they did show, and I’d imagine we’d all feel as though we’d been hit about the head with blunt objects. So I’m still not seeing how the stories ignored those facts.
But hey, agree to disagree, because we don’t appear likely to reach the same conclusion on this one.
#104
Don’t leave because of that! I admit, I’m one of the people that ‘took you to task’, but only because I misunderstood your remark. I’m not angry with you nor do I wish you to leave because of it.
#95 Harry katie Moogie Sean ill stay then. The problem I had was that situation with Patrick Stewart just plain set me off. Believe me If could do it again i would have shown more a lot more tact then i did. Ive read enough soties of celebrities and obsesive ,stupid and Obnoxious fans, I can apprecaite the fact that some fans are plain nitwits. In business and i previously stated this, you have clients that you may not like, that you would like to tell off rather then deal with them, but the simple truth is that these clients pay your way contribute to you livelyhood and finacial well being in short their support helps make you who you are. Even if if it kills you inside you have to be nice regardless. In the case of Fandom fans support you because they like who you are and their good will keeps you secure and on top of things like in business. Like your business clients ticking of your fans does not pay in the long run neither does bad Pr . Arthur Godfrey learned this lession about fandom the hard way.
#sean I am not excusing thise fans all im saying that Patrick Stewart hs to be better then that. In otherwords he should be the better man and not lower himself to their level. Thats how you win the game.
Garovorkin
glad to see you’re staying! So, tell us a little about yourself….where do you live?
# 114 no offense but I would rahter not get into personel details, but i will tell you this . am an avid reader and recommender of books, ive read tons of scifi and fantasy . My favorite book is The Star Rover By Jack London. this book is his only fantasy novel it almost unknown and it vastly different then anything else he written. Its about a man in prison, in a strait jacket on death row who discovers he astral project himself into his past livea at will its epic and wonderous to read. wish more people knew thi one/. but this is off topic
Garovorkin
sorry, not trying to get personal….it’s just that when I like someone, I like to know more about them.
My favorite fiction book is Shibumi by Trevanian. Anybody here ever read it?
#111 sean im okay really but see my comments on Stewart. I admit im still a bit miffed at Ron but ill get over it.
Garovorkin, glad you’re staying!
My favorite book is Star Trek: The Return : )
This is what I love about Star Trek and Star Trek fans – Garovorkin needs some kindness and support and you guys are right there for him/her. Very cool.
sorry was in the new article on star trek 5 just posted i was comparing the movie directiing technique of Wiillaima Shatner and how his method of irecting was an influence on the directorial career Uwe Boll
#118 Moogie my favorite Star trek book which I think should have by rights been the first next gen film was Peter David’s book Vendetta. In the nono trek books i recommend On Baslisk Station by David Weber, its an Honor Harrington novel its quite good.
The only fantasy I’ve read (and I haven’t really read it all) is the Lord of the Rings trilogy by J. R. R. Tolkien. My friend is into the novels because she flies a lot and enjoys them. I hate to admit it but I haven’t read any SciFi. I just like watching it. Sounds like I’m missing out.
Some of my faves are
The Day The Earth Stood Still
Earth vs The Flying Saucers
War of the Worlds (only the original one)
Invaders From Mars
Phantom Planet (yes!)
Plan 9 From Outer Space (haven’t seen it for years)
Forbidden Planet
The Red Planet (old and new)
Mission to Mars
I, Robot
Lost In Space (only a few episodes)
Lost In Space (movie remake with Matt LeBlanc and William Hurt)
And of course Star Wars and Star Trek. My friend complained that one of the novels she just read had a lot of sex in it and seemed to be a thinly-disguised piece of porn. She usually enjoys the books. Maybe I’ll let her read them first and then I’ll read them.
I’m not really a SciFi fan as much as I am a Star Trek fan. Does that qualify me?
kg
#110: I couldn’t accept that the films were showing them moving on because the story lines, in ways I often found contrived, brought them back to the bridge of a starship. Once there, they were off on another mission to save the galaxy. At that point, I saw references to the passing years as throwaway lines, often played for humor, and not as core elements of the story.
I wasn’t interested in seeing them creaking around in retirement. But I was interested in seeing them as their careers advanced and as they married, had families, divorced, faced new challenges, etc., etc. The key ingredient of Trek has always been the individual characters. It’s character driven. With the TOS crew, the franchise had an opportunity to create wonderful stories from the heroics and the crises these few remarkable, and permanently bonded, people would have continued to play and face after they left the Enterprise. And, in doing that, the franchise would have had the opportunity to introduce new, younger, characters — a new generation of StarFleet officers — who could have formed the basis of new series and new films.
For example, instead of writing Kirk into a boring job as an Admiral, put him in a responsible position within the Federation bureaucracy. Then, bring him into conflict over some issue with newly named Ambassador Spock. How do they resolve it? How do their friends and crewmates react? The bad guys, the pyrotechnics, the space battles, and all that can be spun out of the issue that separates them, but the core of the story would be character driven.
Since a key to science fiction is the suspension of disbelief, I should add that, at some point, I found it difficult to suspend my disbelief that those characters, at the points in their lives so visually telegraphed by the physical appearance of the actors, would still be doing the same things they did 30 years earlier.
#122
Well, again, I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree. For one, as I’ve already said, the references to aging were much more than ‘throwaway lines’. Plus, I believe it would be far more plausible to see the entire crew serving together on the same ship for a long period, as opposed to serving in different parts of Starfleet, then magically being called into the same situation. THAT would seriously harm my suspension of disbelief. Just look at the Shatner novels to see that kind of contrived storytelling.
And again, I don’t see how Treks II-V involve contrived storytelling to bring the characters to the bridge, given that they all take place within months of eachother. TMP takes place a mere two and a half years after TOS, so that’s not far-fetched either. Trek II admittedly takes place a considerable time later, but it begins with the Enterprise being a training vessel and many of its officers being instructors. The situation forces them to take on a mission other than their intended one, and seemed reasonable given the plot. Under your classification, only TUC could really be seen as stretching credibility. I’ve given you that keeping the crew together for so long is a stretch, admittedly.
I would have liked to have seen more about the crew’s families as well, but you have to admit that was something TOS never elaborated on either. We never saw family members for Sulu, Chekov, Scotty or even McCoy. The movies did eventually give us a father for McCoy and a daughter for Sulu, though they were minor plot points. We did see girlfriends and lost loves for Kirk, and the mentor relationship between Spock and Savvik, Uhura and ‘Mr Adventure’, etc.
I agree that a big part of Trek is the characters, but I would go a step further and say it’s really the interactions between the characters. Once you seperate them on different assignments & locations, you lose a lot of opportunity for interaction. Then, any attempt to bring them all back together would seem implausible. Moreso than already having them in the same place, then having them react to a common foe. There’s a point where a screenwriter has to make a choice between somewhat plausible and totally absurd.
Just think, you’re already bucking against the ‘contrived’ plot that brings Chekov back to the bridge in Trek II or Spock in TMP. Think of the kind of plots that would be required to bring EVERYONE into the same situation from varied posts around the galaxy. I think you’d find that would be less credible than what they’ve already done. Again, I’d recommend you read some of Wiliam Shatner’s Trek novels for an idea. It’s believable once, maybe twice, but then it becomes a joke. Can you imagine if we’d had 6 movies where the characters are brought back together in such extraordinary circumstances?
Really, the truth is that Star Trek wasn’t thought of as a ‘franchise’ until we were more than halfway through the movies. The studio & creators weren’t thinking of new characters or spinoff shows just yet. Until 1987, Star Trek was the original crew, period. TNG changed that, but it was a TV show, not a feature film. If they’d tried to introduce the TNG characters in a film, I strongly believe it would simply not have worked. At that time, we all went to the movies to see Kirk, Spock & Co.
#123:
>>” … it would be far more plausible to see the entire crew serving together on the same ship for a long period, as opposed to serving in different parts of Starfleet, then magically being called into the same situation. ”
I agree, and it’s what I saw happening in the films.
I don’t think it was necessary to being everyone back to the Enterprise to have good stories. That’s essential to my point. Each new movie saw me just that much more unwilling to accept their presence on the Enterprise. At that point in their careers, they would all have been doing something else. I would have preferred the films explore that, bringing new crewmembers onto the Enterprise. Not the NG cast, since that show was placed decades in the future.
For example, instead of having Kirk return to the Enterprise by taking over from a bumbling new captain (also not very believable; you’d think StarFleet bumblers don’t get to command starships), they might have given the job to an effective and dynamic leader and crew, who would be able to stand on their own. Plenty of story opportunities there, bringing in the original crew in their new, presumably, important jobs.
Bottom line: I think the scriptwriters got locked into the notion that a TOS movie had to be about those 6 people on the bridge of the Enterprise. That limited their creativity, and, at least for me, stretched credulity.
Speaking of too many decks, how many decks were there supposed to be in the Enterprise in ST:V? Don’t have access to my Star Trek Encyclopedia. Guess each deck was like a story in an apartment building?
kg
#123
Hmm…it seems like we’re more or less in agreement, but the devil is in the details.
You said: “I don’t think it was necessary to being everyone back to the Enterprise to have good stories. That’s essential to my point. Each new movie saw me just that much more unwilling to accept their presence on the Enterprise. At that point in their careers, they would all have been doing something else.”
Here’s where we seem to be unable to reach a common ground. 4 out of 6 Trek films (Trek’s II-V) all take place as part of one story. III picks up immediately after II, IV a few months after III, V a few months after IV. It seems like you think it’s implausible they’d all still be together, but honestly it wouldn’t make any sense for them to seperate at that point. Again, I think your gripe could only be fairly leveled at Trek VI (and possibly II).
I’m not sure who you’re referring to in terms of a ‘bumbling’ Captain…Decker was an excellent Captain, as was Spock. The only bumbler in the bunch was in Generations, and that wasn’t really a TOS movie (plus it handed the torch over to another crew, effectively doing what you seem to have wanted).
I understand what you’re saying about the characters, their situations, etc. However, the fact remains that there is no way that the film producers were going to introduce a whole new crew back in the 80’s. When TMP came out, people had been waiting 10 years to see Kirk in the command chair, consulting with Spock, asking Scotty for more warp power, etc. There would have been a full-on revolt had they tried to bring on new characters to replace them (people were already irked about the Xon character that would have replaced Spock in Phase II). It may have made sense from a logical storytelling standpoint, but it did not make sense from a real-world standpoint – i.e., ‘We would like to make money on these movies’.
Those 7 characters are what people cared – and continue to care – about. Hell, look at all the folks just on these message boards that are desperate to have Shatner put his uniform on one more time! I don’t necessarily agree with them, but I do understand the emotional connection to the character that drives them to that desire. In fact, it’s likely that attachment that is giving us a new movie based on TOS in the first place. It is a proven formula. Keeping an ensemble together for an extended period is a challenge to any screenwriter, but in addition to creativity it usually involves the audience taking it with a grain of salt.
So I suppose my bottom line is this – yes, the scriptwriters were locked into the notion that they needed to include the 7 principals in stories, but they were also justified in that notion. Introducing new crews is fine in a TV format, but it just wouldn’t have worked on the silver screen. At the time these films were being released, the public wanted to see the adventures of those 7 people, aboard the Enterprise.
#125
21 decks, if my memory serves me.
Thanks, (127.) sean
We’re going to have supper so I’ll look it up.
And RE: #126
didn’t they orchestrate something to get Worf back on the Enterprise to make it about that same ensemble (uh, that was “First Contact” I think). And I don’t really care. I know it’s kind of contrived but I love it anyway.
kg
#126:
You’ve placed more emphasis on some points than I intended. I wasn’t suggesting a new crew to replace the original crew, then carrying on with them in Enterprise-centric stories. I’m suggestng stories that would have involved the orginal crew, and also suggesting their involvement need not have come on the bridge of the Enterprise. Hence, the need for new people to crew that ship.
If those stories had been financially successful, they might have spawned new movies and new TV series of Enterprise-centric stories using that new crew, with the original crew showing up just often enough to tease ratings and ticket sales.
(Instead, we jumped, what, 70 years, ahead to Picard’s ship. I loved the show, but, under the circumstances, the clean break was inevitable.)
The original crew could still have been the focus of the story, but certainly many stories about them somewhere off that bridge are possible.
I agree people wanted to see Kirk, et al, back in the saddle. But, certainly, by the time we got to, at least, the last two films, they should have been out of the saddle and walking thoses horses at a pretty slow pace. With some exceptions, the actors were too old to play those characters. I think the gap between the actor’s ages and appearances and the age and appearances of their characters was so obvious that it detracted from the success of those films.
I’m skeptical, too, about the overall impact of the fan base on the future of Trek. I have my doubts that it is large enough to secure the success of any movie of TV series, since that success is measured in tickets bought and advertising sold. Quite likely, though, that we fans can sink the new movie, if we don’t like it for reasons no normal people would understand and throw a collective public hissy fit.
I’m a fan of PATRICK STEWART…but.i really hate the ‘B5′ photo…
#129
I suppose it’s just a matter of perspective – I don’t think the crew really showed their ages a great deal until Trek VI, at which point they were had the characters retiring. Shatner was still reasonably fit in Trek V, and Dee still had some meat on his bones (then again, he was the ship’s surgeon, not the ship’s ninja). In fact, when Trek VI came out, I was a bit surprised how much older everyone looked in such a short time period. Perhaps, given Trek V’s abyssmal box office, they let themselves go assuming they wouldn’t be making any more movies! :)
You have to think of the bridge as a storytelling device (or conceit). It was a simple way to connect those 7 characters in a common goal for the audience. Sure, other devices could have been used, but you have to consider the fact that it would become increasingly difficult for a writer to come up with believable methods of reuniting these 7 people over and over again for each movie. Keeping them on the bridge was a stretch in some ways, but less so than the extraordinary circumstances necessary to bring them into common surroundings from disparate locales across the galaxy. After all, if it didn’t make sense for them to serve together for so long on one ship, it certainly wouldn’t make sense that they’d all be transferred to the same offices at Starfleet Command, right?
Regardless, it’s been fun discussing it without either of us resorting to a flame war or name-calling. =)
I saw the photo and I thought Gurney Halleck was making a comeback.
#131:
Yep, it’s been fun. I should add that i was thinking along the lines of the original crew continuing to interact, but not necessarily within the same location. An Admiral Chekov, for example, in San Francisco might have far more contact with someone on another planet than with the guy in the next office.