Didn’t you just give *everybody* your address?

So….somebody’s GOOFED HERE…. and it wasn’t me folks!

He did say, “Intelligence reports the Romulans now using Klingon designs.”

What does that have to do with a cultural practice of painting those designs like giant birds of prey? It was a canon error. It did not make the movie less enjoyable, but it was an error nonetheless—and one you choose to give a pass on.

“For whatever minor canon errors Meyer made in with the ‘200 years ago’ line it pales to the overall fact that he solely revived & restored ST’s honor. Without Meyer there would never have been new ST after 1982.”

Of course. But like Mr. Orci said, they needed an A-list name like Abrams to successfully pitch this big budget Star Trek movie to Paramount. So Abrams is reviving Trek now. Yet you hold them to standards which not even the great Nick Meyer could live up to. Not only that, but you claim it is “ripping out the inner soul of TOS”.

“As for TSFS, the Enterprise being 20 years old is a mistake, but it was said by an desk-bound Admiral in a passing comment, not by Kirk or anyone that would clearly know better.”

And yet Yelchin, who is a young actor playing a role which has never been anything but minor, should no better? He may have done just that–made a mistake. You have not seen the script. You do not know if it is called an “away team” or a “landing party”, or if it is, whether that error will be caught and corrected. Who knows? Bob may see our posts and realize that it should be changed to “landing party”.

“TWOK opening title argument is getting tired…”

What is “tired” is your constant negative rants about a film you have yet to see! The fact that you link the term “landing party” directly to the “inner soul” of TOS is even more absurd. That minor term has nothing to do with depicting Gene’s vision of a utopian future for mankind, one of exploration and wonder. It was a reactionary vision born of the horrors Gene himself had seen mankind perpetrate, resulting in the deaths of millions. A dialogue error in this film is as insignificant to that vision as all of the contradictory dialogue in TOS and the original films was. None of that is the “soul” of TOS. If it was, that “soul” would be completely incoherent and unrecognizable. It is not. It is intact and, in fact, carries the strength of a $130-150 million budget for a feature film! Instead of appreciating the fact that someone is putting alot of effort into getting more people to get on board with that vision, you spend your posts crucifying them over minutia. That, my friend, is what is tired! I couldn’t care less about Meyer’s dialogue errors. It doesn’t mean a thing, and neither does the term “away team” or its predecessor–”landing party”.

#217–You are right, AJ, it did. There is no question that it would not be a canon violation, and for that reason. Personally, I like the classic term of “landing party”, but whether it is one or the other is really insignificant.

#218–I think it can still be just an oversight, or if anything, a nod to Gene Roddenberry’s preference and what has been established recently in ENT. Other than the fact that 1987 is when Gene implemented that change, I do not feel it has to have anything to do with TNG. It’s clear to me that since it was used in ENT (set before TOS), as well as in the 24th Century spinoffs, we need to accept that either term would be acceptable to describe the same thing. I just don’t see it as a legitimate issue.

#219–I agree with her comment about Meyer as well. I just don’t agree with her assessment of the significance of the term “away team”. I do not feel that it is any more significant than Meyer’s dialogue error in TWOK, or the one in TSFS for that matter.

There is nothing wrong with what Mr. Cawley does. Watch it. I will too. He doesn’t have a problem with JJ’s movie!

The goal of the film is to move forward, and not “back” with the best crew in the galaxy. If they have the same tools, i.e. phasers, duotronic computers, transporters, tricorders, impulse and warp engines, etc., and they reference known races, Starfleet. Pike, etc., and have Nimoy in a major role, and be a great story, it’s gonna come pretty darn close to nirvana for most of us.

Have to agree with 216, that TWOK saved the series despite Kahn’s rounding error.

The big difference is Mr. Orci is a fan. A HUGE fan. Nick Meyer is not and was not. If “away team” is included and replaces “landy party” I’d bet you credits to navy beans he knew exactly what he was doing and made the artistic decision to give a “nod” to TNG.

While Meyer’s mistake was simply that, Orci and the writers puting “away team” in the scrip…if it is, in fact, in the script…was done with intent. They are much too knowledgable to make that kind of error. That’s the difference that i see.