Abrams: Moving The Date Not My Idea February 23, 2008
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Abrams, Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
As reported in our recent CelebWatch, on Thursday JJ Abrams attended the US-Ireland Alliance pre-Oscar party that honored Trek alum Colm Meaney. ReelzChannel interviewed the director and got him to talk about the new Star Trek movie. Abrams said they were using the rainy weather to their advantage and also spoke about the release date change and possibly using Meaney in a sequel. VIDEO below.
Specifically on the release change from Christmas 2008 to May 2009 Abrams stated:
It was not something I did, it was something I was told was going to happen. Actually I am thrilled the studio feels the way they do after seeing the dailies. I loved our original date of Christmas, but I think this date gives the film an even bigger opportunity for an audience.
Colm Meaney in Abrams Star Trek 2?
Regarding Colm Meaney appearing in Star Trek, Abrams said
Probably not this one, but huge fan. I am open to anything. Next time maybe?
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The wait will be fine and everyone will be happy.
Meany rules. JJ seems nice.
Hey, who was that guy who walked behind Abrams (approx 1:04)? He looked like The Shat!
Maybe the second one will be a DS9 movie? That’d be cool!
Colm Meaney rules! But he can’t be in Star Trek XII
colm meaney is ace! they had the premiere of the englishman who went up a hill at my local cinema and all the cast was there including hugh grant! what they didnt know was the local trek group had hired one of the screens so when they had an intermission and saw colm meaney obviously they all freaked and surrounded him! hugh grant was apparentley livid cos he got all the attention allnight!!! hahahaha
cant wait to see him in the remake of life on mars too!
#6: Why not? He’s a good actor.
(Or is this one of those deals where fans would get upset if he were to play a different character than the one he’s known for)?
-Colm meaney rules
I really enjoy JJ.
I like the way he conducts himself, he’s articulate, knows what he wants and what he’s doing.
I don’t give much credence to Colm being in the next movie however. His face is known to us. He’d have to be a non-human character and I can’t see it happening. IMO
I do like Colm…. a fine actor
#45 I wouldn’t not find it cool… I don’t know, but I was kind of expecting the sequels to be linear, not jumping from 2260 (in XI) to 2380 (in XII), and back to 2260 (in XIII).
Besides, the actors in Star Trek XI seem to say that they were signed on for two or three other movies, so no DS9, it would seem. I personally would be very pleased if it went that way.
BUT… I do love Colm Meaney. Chief O’Brien was my favorite character from DS9 (in fact, he was probably the only character I cared for in DS9…), so I would love to see him again, either playing one of O’Brien’s ancestors, or a Miles O’Brien lost in time. That would be nice.
Sorry for those DS9 lovers out there. I respect that you loved the show, but not everybody can make that claim ;-)
Hum… my previous comment was aimed at #4… not #45. Sorry :-)
I don’t think anyone should have expected that moving the release date to May was JJ’s idea. That is not a director’s call. It’s also not surprising that he is pleased, given that May is a prized release date. Any director would be pleased that the studio has such faith in his work.
Now all we have to do is wait. Just wait….
Maybe there’ll be another, who knows?
If he can pull off making a good version of the The Dark Tower then he will be in a league of his own.
The first time I saw Meaney was in his O’Brien role on TNG. Not to long after that I was in the theater watching Bruce Willis’ “Die Hard 2″ and Meaney was a pilot on the first aircraft that crashed in the movie.
What was so astounding to me about the DH2 sequence was this hot brunette chick sitting in front of me, whispered to her date, “Isn’t that one of the guys from Star Trek?” SHE KNEW! But HE shrugged his shoulders. . . .
Certainly not the demographics most people associate with Trek!
#16–Be careful. There are quite a few females here who might take offense to that.
13.
Yup.
It really is good news, even though we hate the idea of having to wait so much longer.
#4:
Yeah, doood, they should totally do a DS9 movie!
Nothing like scrapping a Trek refresh with big budget appeal for another re-hash a la Nemesis to drive everyone besides The Majestic Kingdom of Nerd away from Trek again.
For good.
Yeah Abrams doesn’t sound too broken up about the delay and why should he, it gives him more time to tweek the film and get it the way he wants it.Time to start crossing off the days on the Calendar till May of 09.
That sounded so much less snide in my head before I posted it.
Of course a DS9 feature would be cool. I would love it, it’s just not practical (or profitable). I don’t know which Rule of Acquisition that is, so maybe I’m just not a big enough fan to see the potential.
I think it will be a loooong-o time before wee-a sees a ST movie of anything ofher than based on TOS now.
#18—(Bob Orci)
Thanks for taking some time for us today, Bob. Now, would it be too much to ask if your script uses the term “away team”, as opposed to “landing party”? I don’t know if you saw what kind of fervor that issue caused on this site in the last couple of days.
Did Anton just make a mistake, or is that term actually used in the script? If so, why? Is it just your homage to TNG and ENT, or is it your interpretation that both terms could have been interchangable in the TOS-era, despite the TOS crew’s consistent use of “landing party”?
I don’t mean to put you on the spot, but…who am I kidding? Yes I do!
#22 - OH Come ON! Just think of all the adventure we never saw with the Voyager crew!!!
I have a personal history of seeing each and every Star Trek movie on it’s day of opening. Haven’t missed a one yet. . . . But I’m afraid a Voyager movie is one I’ll just have to miss!
As for a DS9, (no dis to Kirk) but I have always thought if I would want to work under any of the Star Trek captains or commanders, I’d choose Sisko.
As for May 8th, 2009 unless I’m dead, I’ll be in line (grumping about having to wait 6 1/2 years to see a new Trek movie, about the same amount of time it took the show to go from TOS to TAS to TMP!) My rant and grumpings are over for now. . . :)
#18 Bob, nice to see you back. Been reading your comments on another website about Transformers 2. I was wondering when you would make your way over here. Another Movie I can not wait to see next year!
-DS - 9 is great..but i don’t think that we will see a jem’ hadar..or a cardassian or maybe a Dominion ship again.. the vulcans rules now..
#11 “or a Miles O’Brien lost in time.”
Yeah, a Star Trek version of Life on Mars where O’Brien is in the 24th century in a coma but awakes in the 23rd century and has to adjust to how things were done in the old days.
;-)
#24–”As for a DS9, (no dis to Kirk) but I have always thought if I would want to work under any of the Star Trek captains or commanders, I’d choose Sisko.”
Although James T. Kirk is, without a doubt, the coolest of all Starfleet captains, I guess working for Sisko would be a lot less hazardous!
I wonder how Dark Tower will affect his future Trek involvement.
As I understand it, way back in 2006 it was paramount’s original hope to have the movie out by summer of 2008, but Abrams wanted more time. So I believe he was responsible for the xmas 08 date, and now Paramount are getting their original wish, which is a summer trek movie…just a year later.
oh and Hi Bob!
…btw anyone remember that drinking game?
I know they shared screentime with the rest … but in my mind, O’Brien and Worf … Meaney and Dorn … are the main protagonists of the entire 24th Century Trek shows.
And Colm Meaney was funny in Con-Air interacting with John Cusack, awesome in Intermission with Colin Farrell, and absolutely awesome in Layer Cake with Daniel Craig.
I’m not much of a Colm Meaney fan…wouldn’t bother me if I never saw him again.
What do they need rain for?
Working with Kirk is not hazardous unless you wear a red shirt. Or a short skirt.
Decloaking . . .
To: Bob Orci
I’d love to see Colm Meaney play ‘the Villian’ in the next TREKmovie you guys do!
Micheal Dorn played his father or grandfather in VI: “The Undiscovered Country.”
Recloaking.
Anthony- Drinking game? More details please, such as, does one take a shot every time they hear the word “destroy” in The Doomsday Machine, or every time one sees Spock raise an eyebrow in any episode?
Then maybe they should do a DS9 or Voyager DVD movie, a la Stargate: Ark of Truth? It’d probably be hard to get the original cast of either show back together again but maybe a mixture of the two with a few TNG actors thrown into the mix and voila! I think it has potential :-)
Chief O’Brien was one of the few brightspots in the long list of bland, TNG-era characters. Colm Meaney was great. I was glad they put him on DS9. That was definitely the best (character-wise) of the spinoffs, IMO.
If he were to be cast as someone else in potential sequel, it wouldn’t be the first time an actor has been seen in various roles on Trek, so I think it would be nice.
O’Brien to Return in Trek XII cool
Hi Bob Drinking game
http://www.webtender.com/handbook/games/hibob.game
perhaps before your time
#18 Bob - how will the pushback of the premiere affect officially-sanctioned releases of publicity stills, concept art, etc, if at all? Enough people (myself included) have been champing at the bit to get a glimpse of things, beyond the teaser trailer itself - I believe we were also informed that a shot of the Big E was forthcoming in an earlier discussion.
I think it’s almost certain that we’ll return to 24th century at the end of this film if it’s at all possible to include O’Brien in XII
30 btw anyone remember that drinking game?
I remember it well. Used to go to a sports bar and play that back when I was student teaching because Bob Newhart came on right at 5:00.
It’s much more fun when you’re at home. Bob Newhart - one of the great theme songs ever! Love that Suzanne Pleshette. RIP.
Just watched Colm’s wonderfully evil turn as a bad guy in Under Seige the other day. It was a lot of fun watching him go “bad”.
There’s an awful lot I don’t like about TNG and the 24th century spin-offs in general, but Colm Meaney isn’t one of them. Fine actor.
Speaking of drinking - was Abrams drinking the night of this interview? Dig that red nose?
I always thought O’Brien should have been Chief Engineer of 1701-E instead of Geordi. Miles would have shown Scotty far greater respect in “Relics” & unlike Geordi, he got a hot babe without resorting to the holodeck.
#3
Yeah, I thought it looked like Shater walking by too when I watched it!
I meant Shatner, not Shater
Being in the military (USN), I can say that Captain Sisko strikes me as the most believable of all the Captains thus far (I love Picard, but I don’t know any who can spout Shakespeare at the drop of a hat). :-D
Actually, all the captains have their own share of believability so I am not indicating in the above statement that I have a favorite captain (but I do).
Never heard of the Hi Bob drinking game - sounds fun though.
One of the funniest TNG episodes was Miles wedding day with Data running back and forth between Miles and uh, can’t remember her name… Anyway, Data thinks he understands what is going on and actually has no clue why all his friends are reacting the way they are.
What was her name?
#50: “What was her name?”
The lovely lass was Keiko
I think apart from the plot point of bringing older Spock into it, we’ll not see much of the NG era, and probably after this we’ll not see it again at all…
untl the cycle brings TNG back in vogue in 20 or 30 years and they re-cast it… and on and on…
But I think it’s safe to say we’ll not see another spin-off series movie in the foreseeable future.
can’t wait for the Dark Tower
I just think its funny the Obrien got his ass chewed by Kirk for fighting with Klingons (THOSE are Klingons??) Riot!
#3. I paused the film at 1:04–That is SO *not* Shatner!
Viking - February 23, 2008
#18 Bob - how will the pushback of the premiere affect officially-sanctioned releases of publicity stills, concept art, etc, if at all? Enough people (myself included) have been champing at the bit to get a glimpse of things, beyond the teaser trailer itself - I believe we were also informed that a shot of the Big E was forthcoming in an earlier discussion.
A: Tell me about it. I fear it will slide the whole calender. Checking into that next week. I imagine it’s like having your doctor tell you your pregnancy will last an extra six months.
always though ds9 was very cinimatic and deserving of a movie. maybe someday. or how about a ds9: phase II.
I’m also extremely excited to hear that jj may do king’s the dark tower adaptation, which is my favorite of the king series. might be better to do a miniseries or a series of movies though. no way to fit everything into one movie. maybe a movie per book.
Moogie#51- Keiko! Thanks - that was one of those pesky little memory glitches that niggles at your mind until you remember what it was.
cw#54- O’Brien got chewed out? For some reason I was thinking it was Bashir… another stupid memory glitch.
#56 Boborci
“it’s like having your doctor tell you your pregnancy will last an extra six months”
Then I guess the extra time we’ll have to wait for the movie could be referred to as a “pregnant pause”?
I know, I know………GROAN!!
Harry- I think we could all hear that one creeping up behind us as soon as Mr. Bob posted the word “pregnancy”.
I was “expecting” more from you Harry!
Maybe you should be knocked up-side the head.
Sorry, Captain, that’s all I had to give ya!!
Mr. Orci, is the filming of the new Star Trek movie likely to be extended due to the recent writers strike and the deferred release date or perhaps simply be finished by the planned date?
Hi Bob **Gulp**
1) Do you fear the Wolverine in May?
2) I heard Abraham Lincoln has a cameo any comment? *just kidding*
3) Any rewrites occur since the end of the strike?
4) Fan of the mini-skirt?
NTH - February 23, 2008
Mr. Orci, is the filming of the new Star Trek movie likely to be extended due to the recent writers strike and the deferred release date or perhaps simply be finished by the planned date?
A: The new date has not affected our schedule.
V’Ger - February 23, 2008
Hi Bob **Gulp**
1) Do you fear the Wolverine in May?
2) I heard Abraham Lincoln has a cameo any comment? *just kidding*
3) Any rewrites occur since the end of the strike?
4) Fan of the mini-skirt?
A:
1) No.
2.) A great president.
3.) No, with the exception of on-set line adjustments.
4.) Yes.
#61
Maybe he should be knocked-up side the head?
[turns, runs for cover]
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
Bob
without giving details, how would you rate Pine’s performance as Kirk from 1 to 10?
Vulcanista
well, well, well……………..kitty wants to play, does she?
Betcha I can make you purrrr………….
#36
Denise, there’s also a Beer Trek drinking game:
http://tinyurl.com/37udau
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
RE: 66
OK I am going to run that through the ‘aint it cool news’ filter and i come up with this
“In a desperate effort to save the film after the strike, Transformers Hack writer Orci has rewritten the star Trek Script to includle a fight scene between X-Mens Wolverine and a mini-skirt wearing Abraham Lincoln…in direct violation of canon established in the episode ‘The Savage Curtain’”
Vulcanista- Where have you been? Harry and I have been playing the slap-kiss game that Kirk played with Andrea and my hand is getting tired from the slapping… Take over for me, okay?
Bob:
Anton admitted, among other tidbits, the W-V thing with Chekhov.
You wouldn’t go there when you were asked recently.
Is he in trouble? Hope not.
Sisko#71- “Hack” did you say?
‘A: Tell me about it. I fear it will slide the whole calender. Checking into that next week. I imagine it’s like having your doctor tell you your pregnancy will last an extra six months.’
I feel for ya, but that’s not the answer I wanted to hear. LOL :-)
Sorry, can we refrain from insulting contributing writers who are on line right now? Jesus, 71, leave us to have our talks without drivel like that.
It doesn’t end (sigh).
#72
Work picked up. Boy, did it ever pick up! :-D
bbl
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
Mr. Orci
The 60’s were an interesting time for mankind, both socially and politically. We were literally leaving one age and entering another (space). Fashion, music, cultural awareness…many things were changing and people were making statements in regards to war, freedom, civil rights and the like. It was an interesting time, and some of this is reflected in Star Trek TOS. I understand Roddenberry had his vision, but he also had writers that were influenced (as many people of the day were) by things going on and used some of the episodes they wrote to reflect upon and make social commentary. From simple things like the women aboard the Enterprise earing mini-skirts to entire shows reflecting a particular philosophy or mirroring events taking place.
I was wondering if any of what is happening today in the world is influencing what is being written. there is so much going on in the world, and so much on peoples minds that I understand it can be difficult to not allow it to be an influence. How are the writers, JJ and yourself allowing (or not allowing) todays social and political climate to effect the movie (and the business as a whole). Will you be attempting to make any kind of statements within the movie, or are you all able to differentiate the two and keep them separate?
Thank you sir, and good luck with the film.
geez
I was mocking AICN who seem to have it in for Orci…anyone remember that hit job they did on him a month ago with that whole Area 51 BS.
geez my fellow trekkies can really get bent out of shape so easily. I have nothing but the best feelings for JJ and his band of merry men
Mr. Orci a while back you said you read Roddenberrys memos on the Star Trek movies, and was wondering if there were any that particularly stick out in your mind in any way, shape, or form?
Personally I don’t see how they could pull off a sequel to Cloverfield. But I said that about Pirates of the Caribbean back in ‘03 so who knows.
What about Jeffrey Combs? I’d love to see that gy on trek again. We was great as Shran and absolutely kicked ass as Weyoun 5 - 7
BTW Keiko was NOT cool… That chick was ANNOYING!!
It’s nice to see a lot of support for Colm Meaney. I really liked his Star Trek roles but they don’t compare to his roles in the Barrtytown trilogy movies (The Commitments, The Snapper and The Van). If you haven’t seen these movies check them out. The Van esspecially features Meaney but all of the films are terrific. He has some of the best lines in the The Commitments.
Sisko - I thought your post was funny and I laughed! Sarcasm sometimes doesn’t transmit well in written communication like this though, but here’s one fellow trekker who knew you were joking. ;)
BobOrci - Thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule to indulge us in answering some quesitons!
83# I think Keiko is unfairly looked upon by most Trek fans. She was a loving wife, but no relationship is perfect, and her relationship with her husband had its ups and downs as most marriages experience. She seemed to love her family, but she was also passionate about her botany career as well. Surely one can understand how difficult it would be to put a much-loved career on hold for an indefinite period of time? Both she and Miles did their best to compromise and make their lives work on DS9.
I thought it was really refreshing change in DS9 to see a husband, wife and kids family dynamic on occasion. I wish more of Star Trek’s main characters had married and had children throughout the shows, because I think it adds a more realistic dimension to life in the 23rd and 24th century. It always seemed off to me that so few of the main characters had families.
#85- Agreed. And Keiko was/is beautiful/hot!
Battletrek - February 23, 2008
Mr. Orci a while back you said you read Roddenberrys memos on the Star Trek movies, and was wondering if there were any that particularly stick out in your mind in any way, shape, or form?
A: It was amazing to read his notes. I won’t say to which movie he was referring, but he mentioned that anyone who became the captain of a starship was an amazing individual, and he was worried that some of the other captains being portrayed besides Kirk were not passing muster.
#87 Bob- ANY interest in 24th century series? Watch Voyager again… Wouldn’t you just love to write about a script that crew?
I like the idea that every member of starfleet being at least well above average and by one measurement or another amazing. I imagine you’d find there a high percentage of genius or near-genius intellects.
#85
Who knows what relationships will look like in the future? We’ve come a ways from polygamy or multi-generational households as the norm, for example. Notions of marriage and love have changed, too. The “nuclear family” has not been the norm historically, and while a “husband, wife, and kids family dynamic” may make it seem more “realistic” to you, you’ve really got to wonder what would be the norm in the 23rd century, no? Perhaps someone out there has come up with a projection.
A “family dynamic” would add a sitcom-like air to Star Trek, in my opinion. Family struggles and triumphs and tech-diapers, and all–I doubt I’d want to see it in ST. It all depends on the writing. ^^
Colm Meaney is a fine actor. I hope that he will show up in some future Trek film, or New Voyages saga.
#90- Star Trek has always been about family. Whether actual blood relations i.e. the Siskos, O’Briens, Paris’,etc. or the familial love (yes love) between crew members, it’s always been about family at its core.
And speaking about Sisko, a captain as a Christ-figure! I’d love to see a movie that really explore the implications of that! Of course “it all depends on the writing.”
That looked NOTHING like Shatner. Geez…
…and tech-diapers. Boborci wouldja make that canon! :-)
#90
I hope that in the future that ALL family types will be accepted and we’ll be more open minded as to what constitutes a family. Regardless of whatever social changes occur in the future though, I think it’s safe to say that adults will continue to fall in love and have children together and form some sort of family unit. I agree it certainly doesn’t have to be the “nuclear” type family, and in fact I don’t consider that type of family to be very normal in this day in age.
What I considered abnormal in Star Trek was the lack of showing the main characters of Star Trek in committed relationships and having families. DS9 and Voyager did a better job of this than TNG and TOS and Enterprise.
From TOS only Kirk and Sulu had a child each and those children weren’t even heard of until the movies. McCoy was supposed to have a daughter Joanna, but that script never was filmed in TOS and so it’s not a part of offical canon. It would be neat if this new movie could canonize it by just a passing mention.
In TNG, Worf had Alexander, and it wasn’t until the very last movie that we saw Riker and Troi marry. You can count Miles and Kieko in TNG too, but we saw much more of them in DS9. Enterprise’s main relationship seemed to be Trip and T’Pol, which ended in tragedy with a baby that died, and Sharn had a daughter. That was about it for them that I recall.
Anyway, Star Trek of course is more about exploring strange new worlds, etc. The last thing I want is for it to have a sitcom like feel, but to occasionally get a glimpse of the characters’ family life adds a lot of depth in my opinion and seems more realistic than for the majority of them to be single, childless, and unattached.
Mr. Orci-
Any security issues regarding the delay? The notion of stolen scripts, or worse, duplicate Blue-Ray discs winding up in Shanghai is enough to ruin one’s day. Can I assume that this end of the issue has been nailed down?
Decloaking . . .
To: Mr. Orci,
Thanks for hangin’ with us Roberto. You make us feel respected and special knowing that you’re willing to take your very valuable time to do so. In 30+ years of hangin’ with my fellow Trekkers, I’ve always been impressed by the intelligence, creativity, and devotion we’ve shown as individuals and as a fan community. I’m sure we all really appreciate you being here with us and sharing our pain at the delayed delivery of your brainchild.
You said several times this filmis about making STAR TREK real. You being here makes it real for us.
Many thanks,
Commodore Lurker
P.S. As Sebi said in #82, add Jeffrey Combsto that list with Colm Meaney!
Recloaking.
Cmdr Lurker
after 3 posts in one day…are you really a Lurker any more?
Obviously the new movie’s going to have a lot of family stuff in it- Kirk’s parents, Spock’s parents. But no tech-diapers full o’ Shat. :-(
#95 Michelle
I betcha somewhere in his very long life, Spock had an “accident” somewhere along the way. Now, whether he ever knew about it is another moon on Vulcan entirely.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
#22 don’t count your Tribbles before you check the grain.
^
This film isn’t a hit yet…
Umm, “moon over Vulcan.” Of course there’s no moon on Vulcan. Sheesh.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
#88. “Bob- ANY interest in 24th century series? Watch Voyager again… Wouldn’t you just love to write about a script that crew?”
It should be a 2 hour IMAX movie with only Seven of Nine, Kes & Torres in skimpy nighties having a slumber party—-with pillow fights! Woohoo
#103- I’d through in Hoshi and a resurrected Jadzia. But yeah, I love me some Kes!
Spock, to Uhura: “Vulcan has no moon.”
So it sounds like Paramount is impressed with the dailies. That’s encouraging, considering the opposite could have been true — that Paramount saw the dailies and said to JJ “Maybe we should move this thing to a February release date.”
Oh — And #30 and 40, Anthony…
…While I was at Penn State in the mid-1980’s we had slightly different rules for “Hi Bob”.
- Everytime anyone said simply “Bob”, we took a small drink.
- If someone said “Hi Bob”, we took a big gulp.
- If Howard Borden (Bill Daily) said “Hi Bob”, we had to drink a whole cup/bottle of beer. ‘Newhart Show’ fans may remember that Howard said “Hi Bob” a lot.
#106
LOL!!!
Good God, man, you must’ve been *wasted* at the end of the show! It was only 30 minutes, after all.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
We had a similar game to play while watching M*A*S*H. With a drink called a ’swamp’, which were just martinis made with the cheapest gin you could find…
#107 –
Well, we were a little restrained when we played it with those rules — only on nights when we had no [early] classes the next day.
Commodore Lurker - February 23, 2008
Decloaking . . .
To: Mr. Orci,
Thanks for hangin’ with us Roberto. You make us feel respected and special knowing that you’re willing to take your very valuable time to do so. In 30+ years of hangin’ with my fellow Trekkers, I’ve always been impressed by the intelligence, creativity, and devotion we’ve shown as individuals and as a fan community. I’m sure we all really appreciate you being here with us and sharing our pain at the delayed delivery of your brainchild.
You said several times this filmis about making STAR TREK real. You being here makes it real for us.
Many thanks,
Commodore Lurker
P.S. As Sebi said in #82, add Jeffrey Combsto that list with Colm Meaney!
Recloaking.
A: Thanks for kind words and for being here yourself. Love the decloaking/cloaking!
Mr. Orci-
Any security issues regarding the delay? The notion of stolen scripts, or worse, duplicate Blue-Ray discs winding up in Shanghai is enough to ruin one’s day. Can I assume that this end of the issue has been nailed down?
A: Obviously a big concern. We’ll do all we can.
About this movie we’re all waiting for (and is now soooo far away), Abrams co. have given us some quality stuff so far. Lost is fasinating, Cloverfield I loved and MI3 was the only one of the three I really liked, mainly because it was the closest IMO to the series in tone and execution which bodes well for Star Trek.
While I have little doubt it will be a good movie I’m hoping and praying(in my agnostic way) it will be good science fiction and more importantly good Trek.
This does not mean it has to be slave to canon. Canonic detail would be great but the spirit of Star Trek, the relationship(s) between the crew members, the ultimately positive outlook and the humanity is what made Star Trek so loved and enduring.
I’m not sure which would be worse, the movie completely flopping or a sucsessful Star Trek film that’s Star Trek in name only.
I have…faith, I guess, but I think I’d rather it fail rather than be something other than true Trek.
Heres hoping we get what we all want- a great movie, great sci-fi, and great Star Trek!
…tech-diapers…sorry, that makes me laugh…
I meant fascinate and Abrams and co.
FascinatING and Abrams & co.
No gin in me!
#105
That’s what they *want* you to think…
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
And at the risk of being spammy, if JJ can find a coherent narrative in “The Dark Tower” to work a movie around, more power to him!
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
Bob,
Since the movie release is delayed I just wanted to let you know that I am now available to do a cameo. My preference is a scene with several Orion Slave Girls.
Thanks
Boborci,
How’s the work on Fringe coming? Is the X-Files comparison a fair assessment?
The suits are lovin’ the dailies for Trek. Moving the release to the plum May spot. You got most of the actors (I assume) signed for several future films. Have you allowed yourself to think of possible storylines for sequels? (I know nothing definite — its all full steam ahead on this film — but have things occured on set or in meetings where you or Alex say lets save that for the next one?)
Again I echo the others on this board and thank you for your time and insight.
re: 32. Pointy-Ears - February 23, 2008
“I’m not much of a Colm Meaney fan…wouldn’t bother me if I never saw him again.”
Not sure why Meaney’s name is even considered when it come to the AbramsTrek. Not a 60’s series guy.
Also, the whole O’Brien/Keiko thing was nauseating.
O’Brien was OK in the “Trials and Tribbleations” episode, but that still has little to do with including him with any 60’s-series-based Star Trek.
Stanky,
What exactly did you find nauseating about Miles and Keiko?
re:120 crazydaystrom
Good question. Wish I had any memory for detail regarding The Next Generation/DS9, but all I have is this general sense of watching and disliking the O’Brien/Keiko interactions. I watched The Next Generation for the first several seasons and pretty much quit cold turkey shortly after the time they became featured.
#121-
Their relationship probably could have been better written, granted, but I guess I viewed them thru the filter of my attraction to asian women.
I like me some Keiko!
Hoshi is way hotter than Keiko, though my personal taste leans more towards Edna Glover.
15 months is a long time to keep secrets…eventually it will slip out that Harry Mudd is Kirk’s real father
…ooops
Cyrus - February 23, 2008
Bob,
Since the movie release is delayed I just wanted to let you know that I am now available to do a cameo. My preference is a scene with several Orion Slave Girls.
Thanks
A: LOL — noted!
Crusty McCoy - February 23, 2008
Boborci,
How’s the work on Fringe coming? Is the X-Files comparison a fair assessment?
The suits are lovin’ the dailies for Trek. Moving the release to the plum May spot. You got most of the actors (I assume) signed for several future films. Have you allowed yourself to think of possible storylines for sequels? (I know nothing definite — its all full steam ahead on this film — but have things occured on set or in meetings where you or Alex say lets save that for the next one?)
Again I echo the others on this board and thank you for your time and insight.
A: Fringe is going great. The x-files comparison is fair, especially since we were the first to state in the Hollywood Reporter that we’d drawn inspiration from such films as Altered State and The Fly and such shows as The Twilight Zone and the X-Files.
As far as sequels, we never want to be as arrogant as to assume that we would earn ourselves another chance at bat — and we want to make sure we make A GOOD MOVIE, period, and not be thinking about other movies. However, I’d be lying if I said that we hadn’t thought about directions for another Trek.
#126 Hi, Bob [chug]
re Fringe, no talking dolls or clowns; right?
Right???
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
95: I think Trek actually paid more attention to families than we remember. Kirk always knew he’d be alone, and that he was married to his ship. Spock has a great family backstory.
Picard also realized that he could not leave his seat, but his relationship to his brother was explored, and he cried like a baby when he and his nephew were killed, perhaps calling into doubt his choice in life to be a starship captain. Worf and Kern, Worf and Alexander, Riker and his dad, Troi and her mom, Beverly and Wesley.
DS9 began with the tragic loss of Sisko’s wife and the life of a single working dad. Quark and Nog, O’Brien and Keiko, Worf and Dax, and Dukat even had a daughter.
VOY showed Janeway swept away from her boyfriend/fiance, and had the Paris-Torres family. And Paris had daddy issues. And while it’s not my favorite Trek, I always felt the VOY characters gelled as a family in itself.
ENT was about Archer’s dad’s dream, and Archer living up to it. Plus, Tucker-T’Pol, and Mayweather’s family backstory.
These are all snapshots of moments many families face: Sudden tragedy, marriage and work, brothers and sisters, juggling priorities and loved ones’ and parents’ expectations.
I think Trek did quite well with the family thing.
JJ seems like such an awesome sweet bloke!! I still can’t believe we have to wait an extra 5 months to see the movie, you would have figured they’d prefer a slot with as little competition as possible. Not saying Trek isn’t up to the competition but you take any advantage you can get! Oh well, it’ll be like my 29th b-day present! :)
OMG OMG OMG!!!! J.J. doing an adaptation of King’s Dark Tower series!!?!?!? OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!
I genuinely believe that this movie will end with this alternate crew in the 24th century, it’s the only way it could work. Q did something similar in Star Trek: Borg.
I still find it surprising that people still beleive this is a prequel when many people have stated on the record it isn’t, we’ve seen that NCC 1701 looks different, the sets look different, the crew themselves are different it’s pretty much a certainty that the Crew will be from a alternate reality which would mean zero penalty timeline wise to bring them into the proper Star Trek universe where Nimoy’s Spock would have traveled from.
#124: “15 months is a long time to keep secrets…eventually it will slip out that Harry Mudd is Kirk’s real father”
Anthony, how am I supposed to stop making canon statements when you drop a bombshell like that?????????????????
Anthony- “…Harry Mudd Kirk’s real father.” LOL!!!
First of all, to anyone in the states, you have only seen a fraction of Meany’s work. He really is that good and more!! If you can get your hands on Intermission or The Snapper, watch it you’ll thank me later!!! And yes they are Irish films, we rock!!!!
Would work for Sisco over any of the other captains!
One mor thing……. Is Mr Bob Orci really a blogger on this site!?
Irish Trekki134- He reads many of the posts and occasionally makes comments. Aren’t we a lucky bunch?
#135 Oh, I’m sorry was that supposed to be an insult!? If so I shall continue to occasionally read these posts and occasionally make a comment if only to agrivate you.
Irish Trekki#136- No, I wasn’t trying to insult you, I was answering your question. Bob Orci reads many of the posts here and occasionally makes comments, and I as well as most of the others (and I believe you) feel that we are a lucky bunch because of that.
He seems such a likeable chap, makes you feel like you’d like to buy him a beer type thing and quite a character. He somehow looks as if he is well known character off some tv series somewhere…but he isn’t, know what I mean?
#139
YES!!!! Thankyou, Who else is up for buying him a beer!?
Colm Meaney would be great in any star trek movie, any character, any timeframe. I would just love to have him in a movie. Yes, O’Brien in a future movie would just be a major treat. Just hope this upcoming movie does well so we can worry about the next movie….
Hey everyone…
I’ve been very supportive of this movie (and I continue to be) and I have actually liked most of the changes made, but… I’m just wondering. I took my girlfriend to see cloverfield yesterday and… well, we both thought it sucked… a lot. It was the worst movie either of us had seen in a long. We like monster movies in general, and it doesn’t take a lot to please us, but said film (in my opinion) had poorly drawn out, irritating and unsympathetic characters that both of us just wanted to see die. Honestly, if movies didn’t cost so much we would have walked out. I guess I’m a little concerned. Any thoughts?
#134 Irish Trekkie
I certainly agree with you about the Meaney and the Snapper but I have to say that I liked the Van a little batter. I thaought that it really showcased Meaney’s talents. I haven’t seen Intermission. Thanks for the tip.
BTW where in Ireland are you?
#141: I wouldn’t be concerned, and I’m still baffled/amused as to why people look to Cloverfield for any kind of hint as to the quality of the Star Trek film. Cloverfield is a Matt Reeves film, written by Drew Goddard. Star Trek is a JJ Abrams film, written by Orci and Kurtzman. The films share a _producer_ in Abrams.
So, it depends on how strongly you view the producer’s role. For my own part, I think at the end of the day the director makes the movie unless the producers somehow take it out of his hands. IMO, Cloverfield is no more “a JJ Abrams film” than the original Star Wars is “a Gary Kurtz film” or Serenity is “a Barry Mendel film.” As I see it, Star Wars is a George Lucas movie for better or worse, and Serenity is a Joss Whedon movie. Other fans may see it differently (and there are cases where the producer is also one of the screenwriters, as with Wrath of Khan, but that’s a special circumstance that isn’t present with Cloverfield that I know of).
I suspect the film to look at, if you’re in the mood to prognosticate, would be Mission Impossible 3. It’s the only feature film by Abrams so far, I believe, and perhaps more important it _also_ has the same writing team as Trek (Orci and Kurtzman). So, if there’s a movie to watch for hints of quality, one way or the other, it would be the third Mission Impossible, IMO.
For my own part, I haven’t seen Cloverfield or MI3; neither appeals to me. So I’m left with a big fat question-mark as far as the core creative team goes … I just don’t know what to expect, so I just hope for the best :)
MI3 was a reasonably good film in spite of having Tom Cruise as the star….the man cannot act!
Of the first three SW films, Lucas only directed the first. 2nd was Irwin Kershner (of Robocop 2 fame :-( ) and 3rd, Richard Marquand.
I’ve read that the Cloverfield idea came from JJ during a visit to Japan, and given the way it was marketed, it very much has his imprint on it.
@144 - Harry
I liked the first one quite a lot, but had to watch it twice (the second time sober) to work out who the bad guys actually were…
I’ve been needing a nudge to watch the 3rd one since JJ became attached to Trek though, so I’ll consider your recoomendation to be that nudge.
(OK, maybe less a nudge, more of the hint of the smallest of a suggestion).
@143 - Agree about Cloverfield not being JJ’s writing and direction, but it’s probably got a lot to do with how involved the producer is in the creative stuff and how much they guide the overall story. You can see it sometimes in things like say, Firefly, when you know Joss Whedon didn’t write that story, but you KNOW he pitched in with some of the lines or someone else wrote them very much in his style.
I’m very intruiged to see how the style of Alias, Lost and Transformers maps onto Star Trek….
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#142
Dublin, yourself?
trekee “OK, maybe less a nudge, more of the hint of the smallest of a suggestion”
Love it! What a great line! Mind if I steal it?
What looks like bad news to us geeks (we gotta wait? sniffy-poo) is good news in disguise: No studio releases any movie in May without utter faith in its potential summer box office. Those dailies must have really wowed them.
I’m betting on new and younger audiences arriving into the fold. Let’s make room for them, dudes, because STAR TREK LIVES! I used to have a poly-cotton-blend t-shirt to that effect back in the ’70s. . . I wonder which toxic landfill it’s in.
And does anyone else want to chuck JJ under the chin? I have this weird urge every time I see his photo. Something strangely chin-chuckable about him.
Illogical but fascinating.
#148 From the States (Oregon) but spent time in Ireleand, including Dublin or course, several years ago. My ancestral roots are Ulster but that was more than century ago. Dublin was nice but I really liked the slow pace in the west, esspecially Counties Mayo and Kerry. Nice to see Trek has a following in Erin as well.
#146: Absolutely, but your Firefly example kind of demonstrates my point, because Joss Whedon _wasn’t_ the producer on Firefly … Ben Edlund was (with Barry Mendel producing Serenity). Joss was an E.P., along with Tim Minear. His creative presence was there because he was the show’s creator and developer (the Gene Roddenberry role), which is a different thing from being the Producer, specifically.
This is not to downplay the contributions of any of these fine people (certainly, I regard Ben Edlund as a god among men for creating The Tick and for scripting “Jaynestown”) but it does again highlight the broad point that fans tend to latch on to certain names and paint them across the entire credit list, and I think that has happened a lot with Cloverfield and JJ Abrams.
i think JJ was more involved. His idea, and his quote up top (paraphrase) that “I just loved Blair Witch,” etc., and the fact that Bad Robot made it means that JJ was there every step of the way.
I watched Transformers for the 2nd time this weekend, and I must say, the writing for the human characters is great, and John Turturro showing up as the loser Section 7 agent in the middle is hilarious. The Autobots and Decepticons lost some believability when they spoke, and the “Mission City” battle was simply too long.
I have a great deal of hope that Mr. Orci and his colleague will inject these iconic characters with great personalities, and that humor will be used more sparingly than in Transformers to move the story forward.
#153
I enjoyed Transformers as well, but a statement of yours struck me as ha-ha funny: “The Autobots and Decepticons lost some believability when they spoke…” IMHO, as much as I loved this movie, giant transforming talking robots are pretty unbelievble anyway. :-)
AFA humor in the new movie, maybe use it more appropriately rather than sparingly. I appreciate a little comic relief with my dramatic tension!
Back to work.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
Again, (I will keep posting- in spite of your attempts of removing my posts), I have lost ALL excitement for this new Star Trek movie since they moved the release date to 2009 all in the name of CORPORATE GREED and at expense of the fans. You can tell just by the number of posts on these articles that the excitement was reaching a fever pitch until the release date changed. I don’t think I’m the only one that has lost excitement over this movie. Again, maybe it will pick up again at the end of this year as we get closer.
#155–You may indeed not be the only one who feels that way, but there are just as many of us who are now more confident in the film’s potential, as Paramount obviously is! The important thing is that fans are excited in May of 2009.
I personally share feelings with both #155 _and_ #156. I remain hopeful for both the quality and success of the film, but I also felt my building excitement drain several months along the calendar … and a re-built excitement is never quite the same (hopefully I won’t be quoting that line next spring as a movie review).
#155
I feel your pain. However and unfortunately, corporate greed is what makes this corner of the universe go around.
Try to look at the bigger picture: If Trek does as well at the box office in May as the corporate overlords at Paramount seem to think it will, that means at least 2 more Trek movies will be greenlit for production. And remember that if Trek makes the obscene amount of money that, say, Transformers made in box office and DVDs, just think of all the money Paramount will be throwing JJ’s way for future productions of Trek.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
#155 Yeah I agree if this is a prequel then it’s a waste of time, but I firmly believe this will be a alternate TOS crew in a TNG context ie. the 24th century or risk alienating the young 20something fans that this movie seems to want to target.
I mean ENT took four seasons for people to start taking interest in a pseudo past.
All I can say to people who didn’t like DS9 — watch the series over again. Tivo them late at night off of Spike (haphazard scheduling, but it’s worth it) or do the Netflix and watch ‘em all from the beginning. Every season had a few duds, but we can certainly say that about ALL the Treks. The plotting, character depth and social commentary was beyond anything any of the other Trek series did.
To me, at least, it’s remarkable how bland and stuffy TNG seemed after DS9 hit the air… And I love TNG! I also think that Voyager seemed like a bad SNL parody of Star Trek compared to what DS9 was doing. Even at its best, and I use that term loosely, VOY usually came off as TNG-lite.
Anyhow, if Colm Meaney would mean some kind of DS9 tie-in to a future Trek movie (not sure how that would work with the young neo-TOS cast, but whatever) I’d support that. As long as it was a good story that made sense, I would do backflips to see one or more of the DS9 crew in action again!
Someone else here mentioned that DS9 (and Voyager) should do direct to DVD movies. In the case of DS9, I’d be all for that. Something that can air on TV and be released on DVD. Perhaps a series of movies, or even a miniseries or two. Heck, more people watched DS9 than Firefly, and they somehow got a theatrical feature made… Why not DS9?
The only obstacle I can really see to this is the cost of rebuilding the sets, ships, station, etc. The Promenade set (incl. Quark’s Bar) alone would be astronomical…
#160 I personally prefer not to slam shows, I may dislike TOS and thing TVH was a waste of a movie but I think every fan has thier own favorite show, mine is VOY - Year of Hell, Scorpians, Latent Image, Living Witness, Message in a Bottle, Course Oblivion, Unimatrix Zero, Dark Frontier, Futures End… the list of classic episode goes on.
Personally I always found DS9 too Dark for Star Trek it still had some classic Star Trek moments, though as do all the series… even TOS :)
#160: To be fair, Voyager felt like like a bad SNL parody of Star Trek even without DS9 as context. I honestly think that if you took some episodes of Voyager to an alternate history where Star Trek never existed in the first place, people would look at it and say “it seems like a bad SNL parody of some show that never existed … what a strange idea for a sketch.”
I’m among those that enjoy and admire DS9 as a groovy SF drama while mentally separating entirely from “Star Trek” per se … I consider it “another kind of drama entirely, set in the same universe as the Star Trek shows, and that bad SNL parody thing.”
#162–That is a good way to put it. I liked DS9 more than any of the other TNG-era spinoffs, but it still didn’t feel like Star Trek, despite being set in the Trek Universe.
I love J.J. Abrams, but I still have doubts about seeing this movie if I have to wait until next May.