Shatner Gets With The Program On Oprah [UPDATE: Video] February 26, 2008
by John Tenuto , Filed under: Shatner , trackback
Today, William Shatner boldly went where he’d never been before, The Oprah Winfrey Show. Shatner was featured as one of Oprah’s ‘TV icons’ series. The show also included Happy Days’ Fonzie, Henry Winkler and soap opera singing sensation Rick Springfield (who was also Zac on the original Battlestar Galactica). No big news (besides seeing Shatner using a cane) and no questions about the new movie, but was still interesting to see Shatner in this environment.
UPDATE: VIDEO of Shat on Oprah
Shat’s got a new hip
The Shatner segment began with a retrospective his characters, from Star Trek to Boston Legal. It is unfortunate that during this video montage, Oprah, who utilizes her show to bring more understanding and compassion, chose to present stereotypical images of Star Trek fans. When Shatner did appear, it was to an enthusiastic audience, although many were surprised to see him walk in with a cane. Shatner would explain during the interview that he had his hip replaced about four weeks prior to the show. Shatner began by discussing wife Elizabeth’s (in attendance) and his fascination with Oprah. He admitted to having her show on his TiVo and keeping issues of Oprah his bathroom, which he mentioned was a compliment.
Shatner and Oprah (you can see the cane on the left)
Shatner: I ‘used to be’ Kirk
Shatner talked briefly about Star Trek and Captain Kirk. He said that he “used to be Captain Kirk,” perhaps an indirect expression of regret about not being in the new film. He also said “I guess I am here because I was Captain Kirk. The celebrity it brought me made everything else possible.” It is interesting to compare Winkler’s very positive feelings towards The Fonz to Shatner’s somewhat lukewarm description of his character.
As is her custom, Oprah gave away a free copy of the first season of the original Star Trek on HD DVD to everyone in the audience. She showed a few scenes of the remastered show, telling the audience about the new visual effects and picture quality.
You get a TOS DVD and you get a TOS DVD and you get a TOS DVD
Shatner’s charity and bio
Shatner though showed his charity mindedness, which is one his most genuine and endearing traits. He explained that after passing his kidney stone, his doctor said “I’ve got it.” Shatner replied, “Give it to me. It’s mine!” He was contacted by a gambling website interested in purchasing the stone for display, and Shatner negotiated a price of $75,000. His friends at Boston Legal donated another $20,000, and Shatner donated $95,000 to Habitat for Humanity. The result? A house was purchased for a family in the New Orleans area.
Shatner also talked about his May 2008 book entitled Up Till Now (see related Trekmovie.com story). The book includes a list of qualities he used to hope for in his wife when he was a younger man. When Oprah asked if he ever met a woman with these qualities, he looked at his wife and affirmed that he did marry the ideal woman.
Shatner returns soon to film more episodes of Boston Legal and begins work on his new talk show very soon.
A short clip of Shatner behind the scenes is available on on Oprah’s Youtube channel:
click to see clip (opens new window…Oprah doesn’t like embeds)
“Up Till Now” is available now for pre-order at Amazon
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TOS-R Given away…..LMFAO!!!
So we learned something new today. Shat had a hip replacement four weeks ago!
Owww!
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
bit of a pointless givaway really
I’m genuinely puzzled as to why a gambling website (of all things) would want to purchase William Shatner’s kidney stone “for display.”
I mean, I could see a particularly hardcore fan wanting something so strange, and I could see it taking in a fair piece of change at a charity auction … but I can’t quite wrap my brain around a gambling website “displaying” it (or, since they’re a website, even needing to own it in order to display it … wouldn’t a JPEG of it do)? And the gambling angle … did they make a pair of dice out of it or something?
Truly baffled, but glad to hear of the useful and charitable outcome.
Just saw the Oprah YouTube thingie. Rick Springfield a rock legend? Uh, don’t think so.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
Watched the Shat on Oprah….he seemed in an upbeat and friendly mood! I related to his kidneystone story as I have passed stones twice, once in 1980 and again in 2000……a very painful experience on both occasions!
shatners doing a talk show!!! AWESOME!!!
Of course we all know what “The Oprah Winfrey Show” and “Star Trek: The Original Series – Remastered” have in common: they are both distributed by CBS Television Distribution.
Vulcanista, don’t you wish you were Jessie’s girl?
Rick Springfield has aged less well than the other two gentlemen.
Shat was fun, as always. Nice that he’s giving kudos to his wife.
Legend or not, Rick Springfield looks incredibly good at 58.
I’m sure I’m not the first to ask this, but….anyone know when ST remastered will be available on Blue Ray? Is that the $100,000 question? :)
Mongo no watch Oprah. Something scary about her. Mongo not put finger on it but think it have to do with her being fierce in battle. Hope she on my side for end of things.
With discarded insides Shatner buy house for someone? Mongo keep toenail bits for many years. What think can get for them?
Re: #2. The Vulcanista
Or to rephrase that (and this sounds so bizarre if you say it out loud),
“CAPTAIN KIRK had a hip replaced.”
“Jessie’s Girl” wasn’t a bad song, but it hardly qualified him as a “Rock Legend”. Although his fans may disagree.
kg
Hey, they’ve gotta get rid of those HD-DVDs somehow! I just hope Oprah explained the format’s situation to the audience.
Captain’s got a brand new hip!!!!
Re: #1.
Makes me yearn for the good ol’ days of “First!’
kg
#12 – Mongo is evil…. I just choked on my tea and spit it all over the keyboard, lol
Shat need never worry about his legacy, he’ll always be Kirk. Besides Kirk, he’s been on several other TV series, movies, he’s written several novels… I wished I had a fraction of his talents, heh.
I have an autographed pic of Shatner that I got at a convention several years ago, I think I’ll get it re-framed and hang it proudly on my wall. After all that I have read about him on trekmovie.com over the last couple of months, I have a newfound respect for the guy.
Hope she gave away a bunch of Toshiba A3’s to play ‘em on too!!
Just watched Oprah..Shatner’s segment anyway. Shat looked terrific. Hope we see him in the film in the alternate timeline as an older “never was killed” Jim Kirk.
After seeing Mike Nesmith rejoin and tour with The Monkees in the 90’s and after seeing Sean Connery returning to the role of Bond in the 80’s, I’ve learned one thing. Never say never.
And those DVD’s are combos and can play on any standard DVD player. No HD player required.
#16
Sorry. If like, Mongo get new one for you. Maybe like Mongo size one with big buttons for Mongo size hands? Maybe want one Mongo using now? Mongo keep finger nails short too, so keys not very scratched.
Let Mongo know how help.
Shattner doing a talk show, The Family Guy is going to have a field day with that one. Somebody paid 75,000 for his KIdney Stone? My god what is this world coming to.
#6 – since you pased two of them, does that mean we can now call you ‘Stoney’ Ballz?
*RIMSHOT*
Dear oh Dear….. fist we have the Shat on Oprah, then we have Mongo commenting on “the Shat on Oprah”…. now all we need is Yoda commention on Mongo and “the Shat” on Oprah,
Oh dear, oh dear…. I’m late , I’m late…
To those who are not supporting the DVD giveaway: I wonder which one of you will be the first to refuse it if such a giveaway was offered to you. :)
Mongo!! BAWHAHAHA!
Pretty, pretty Mongo.
Ok who will record this and post it somewhere so we can see the shatner part????
LOL…
Even if members of the audience don’t have HD DVD, they can watch the Standard Def versions on the same disc, if I’m not mistaken.
Like jonboc said, the DVD set is a COMBO set meaning you can watch it on your standard DVD player. That’s what I’m doing :-) I just wish seasons 2 & 3 came out before HD died :-(
I’m trying to get a clip off of my DVR box but hopefully Matt Wright can get one up sooner.
ooops – so paramount delayed the trekmovie until may of 2009 by claiming it’s in the same league as star wars and transformers. obviously, star trek will only be in that league once the studio has finally dumbed-down and actioned-up the star trek franchise (which they’ve been eager to do forever).
so, oh, the bad news. the new terminator movie comes out that month! clearly – there IS a franchise that will help sap all the extra $$$$ paramount thought they’d get from audiences for their trek movie.
i’m glad the studio is getting EVERYTHING it deserves for screwing with star trek. perhaps the ghost of gene roddenberry is cursing each of the cheesy moves the studio has done to his creation.
#24
Mongo nails look good. Mongo not read girl6 in long time. Glad to see. girl6 still make stories? Mongo like read those.
Yep, that’s what I did too — watched the standard DVD side of Season 1.
Time for feast.
@ Mongo
Thank you, Mongo. You’re such a sweet boy.
girl6 is writing a naughtypretty story about the three days after Psi 2000 and will post it for Mongo in a few days.
I just watched Bill on Oprah. He looks good and is moving pretty well for a 76 yr old guy who had hip replacement a month ago. I got a paper cut and whined for a week.
Chris Pine may be playing Kirk, but Shat will always be the real deal whether he’s in the film or not.
Denny Cane!
#34 Moogie Shatner is a great actor and he did define role of Kirk , there is no question that Chris Pines has some very large shoes to fill indeed. and Shatner was first in that role and thats something that no one can ever take away from him.
Shatner is a joke now, I’d rather see Koenig in the movie instead.
The greatest, never be another like him!!!
Convention pics of the obese Klingons were rather disturbing.
No wonder they’re giving the HD sets away…. they have to get rid of the inventory somehow! I predict any and all HD movies wioll be dirt chaep soon.
I’m glad the movie didn’t come up. It was a very tasteful segment. I’m also glad there was some emphasis on charity, particularly toward the still devastated New Orleans area.
I was surprised to hear of the hip replacement, but I guess it is not surprising at age 76.
6
Harry I’m with you buddy.
A week after my 40th birthday last year, two weeks before the birth of my first child, I passed a kidney stone. Put me on the ground. Most debilitating experience I’ve ever had. Took me down brother. A week after that I saw Shatner at a convention and I spoke to him in the autograph line even though we were advised not to. He said to me, “Drink a lot of water. Drink a lot of water.”
My five minutes of glory (or seconds) with Shatner. He spoke to me at least.
My wife said “Oh now they give away that box set, you could have saved $180!!”
The Shat is VERY bitter! Everyone knows it and most important so does HE!!! He regrets the decision he made for Generations, now! Well, maybe next movie, Bill. It is Nimoy’s time NOW!!!
37
You bite your tongue.
#43 “The Shat is VERY bitter! Everyone knows it and most important so does HE!!”
..uhhh….yeah…boy…he sure was bitter sitting next to Oprah talking about a kidney stone he sold for $75,000.00! lol
Clearly you didn’t see the interview.
I don’t think it would be bad taste to sell his hip bone. I really think there are people who’d pay half a million for that. I really do. I think it was closer to bad taste for him to try and describe his movements in the bathroom. Oprah quickly steered clear of that. I still think somebody would buy that hip.
a kidney stone for $75K… bought a house for Habitat… damn! I’m pretty sure my kidney stones wouldn’t buy an empty shell for a hermit crab.
As odd a thing to sell for that kinda loot as it might seem, I think it’s spectacular that Shatner did it. Who knew a little chunk of calcium oxylate was worth more than it’s weight in diamonds? :-)
I’m getting tired of the Shat bashing too. He always will be the Captain Kirk that created and made the role what we expect it to be, no matter how many incarnations there may come to pass. Had things worked out differently, we might have had an old Jeff Hunter to pine over (no pun intended) not being in this movie.
#29: The real kicker is the idea that Star Wars and Transformers somehow share a league to begin with. It’s a bit like saying “It’ll be big … like the planet Jupiter or that shopping mall down the highway!” Both things are “big,” sure, but …
#45 Bitter about not being in the MOVIE not his personal finances, my fellow trekkie. Clearly, you did not see my point of view. This is what this site is about our opinions. Sounds good.
It seems everyone holds on to your every word, takes it and runs with it, my goodness. Ha HA! That is hysterical. Then try to put you down accordingly. I know I did not SEE the ENTIRE interview, jonboc.
Although I would love to see Kirk Resurrected from his pittiful demise in Generations, Trek 11’s mission is to bring Star Trek back from its own demise.
All I was trying to say was take it one thing at a time. Let’s see how Trek 11 does and then we’ll take it from there. Maybe Shat will never return as Kirk and then we’ll have to live with it. As sad at that sounds for us Kirk fans.
Re: jonboc and Batts
Now boys, play nice.
The interview with Bill was great. I love William Shatner. I love Captain Kirk. I can’t stand Denny Crane. Too racey for me. But he is an absolutely huge hit with millions so whatever floats your boat…
If you can see the interview, you should. If you don’t like Denny Crane, you can fast forward through it if anyone taped if for you. Shatner is fun and I’m thrilled that he found such a nice (not to mention gorgeous) woman.
Re: #43. Batts
“The Shat is VERY bitter!…”
I didn’t pick that up in the interview on Oprah. Is that what you were referring to? He wasn’t goobering about being Captain Kirk – - I guess that could be viewed as disappointment. I try not to read into people’s tone or facial expressions too much. Used to embarrass myself regularly deciding that I knew what someone was thinking. Only he, his wife and maybe a few friends really know him. I just really enjoyed the interview. He’s amazing.
I also wish he hadn’t taken a dive in “Generations” but as I’ve mentioned before, maybe it was a bit shortsighted of him not seeing any more movie possibilities, so he decided to go out saving millions (or was it billions) on Veridian III. It’s too bad. I’m also thrilled to have as much as I do of him on film (TOS, ST:I-VII). I would love to see “T. J. Hooker” again. Haven’t seen it since it disappeared years ago.
It’s getting late again. Why does it keep doing that?
Goodnight.
kg
#5 – The Vulcanista
“Just saw the Oprah YouTube thingie. Rick Springfield a rock legend? Uh, don’t think so.”
OK, this is going WAY off topic for a second, but, I’m a music collector, and yeah, Springfield qualifies as a rock legend.
In the early 80’s, starting with his first hit “Jesse’s Girl,” it debuted on Billboard’s Top 40 on May 9, 1981 and his final hit of the early 80’s “State Of The Heart” debuted July 13, 1985. In between, he had 15 top 40 entries (5 in the top 10) and spent 151 weeks total on the Top 40 Charts (there were about 229 weeks during that time period between the first hit and the last hit).
Off topic, I know and apologize again for, but I had to share the info . . . . Keep in mind, I only collect Billboards Top 40 from Jan. 1, 1981 through Dec. 31, 1985 and he may have had more hits that I don’t know about.
Once again #52 You scored another logical point. I did not want to fight over this. I just dont like when certain implications are made. So I ask the gentleman,jonboc. for clarity of his statement and to read what is printed here. I am now done with this BS for one night! Good night to all you carbon based units. :)
#53 – He had two other Top 40 hits. His first Top 40 hit was “Speak To The Sky” in 1972, and his last was “Rock Of Life” in 1988, for a total of 17 Top 40 Hits. Sorry for the off-topic, but I’m also a bit of a fan of Rick’s.
As for Shatner… interesting that he disclosed that he had his hip replaced. Wasn’t there something in one of the tabloids recently about Bill being in the hospital, and then Bill denying it? Or am I thinking of something else??
The Shat is King.
THE SHAT RULES FOREVER!!!!
#55 – The tabloids reported something to the effect that Shatner (aka Shatnet on a previous thread) was on his death bed. That was what he denied. But it does appear they had the part of him being in the hospital correct. . . . Give them credit for something. . . . I guess. . . . Maybe. . . . Nah, they’re rats.
#53
Not mean disrespect, but legend powerful word. Rick Springfield talented. Rick Springfield probably look good to ladies. But Beatles legend. The Who legend. Led Zeppelin legend. Mongo not think Rick Springfield legend. Not one hit wonder. But not legend.
Mongo like Fonzie. Mongo say “AYYY!”. That funny!
Captain Kirk good man. Too bad he dead.
Time to rest.
Good night, MONGO!
#58 – Don’t confuse the term “Icon” with “Legend.” The Beatles and The Who were Icons. I know I’ll get a lot of middle fingers for this, but my opinion is, Led Zepp wasn’t “Iconic”, “Legendary” or good. They had two good songs, and I can only think of the name of one of them. . . .
To steer this back, Star Trek needs its hero’s. We need a better farewell to Shatner and his role as Capt. James T. Kirk than what we were served. If that means resurrecting the character just to plant him in a better way, so be it, as long as Scotty plays Pink Floyd’s “Comfortably Numb” followed by “The Show Must Go On” on his bag pipes at Kirk’s funeral. . . .
So, John Koenig, Commander Koenig from Moonbase Alpha will be in the new movie? I thought Nimoy was the only one reprising his role! Awsome!
you know what i thought was sad…….I didn’t see anyone mention it but i didnt carefully read every post here….when Shatner said “I USED to play Captain Kirk”. I guess thats what he has to say now……kinda sad
Yeah right. Paramount is stuck with tons of HD-DVD box sets which it needs to get rid of as soon as possible. Who even wants these boxes anymore, now that the format has died??
Well, this is a quick channel to get rid of them! Thanks Oprah!
Well if Shatber had a hip replacement one month ago that could explain why he couldn’t be in the film. Leading up to the film he was probably in severe pain (my father was before his surgery 2 months prior to it) and couldn’t do much action and he definately can’t now in the healing process.
#62
Shatner has always been very realistic as to his career (remember his recent “ruins in the making” interview) and I think we could understand his statement in the light of that attitude – similar to the stance Stewart’s taking up on Picard when saying that his time on ST was over although for many fans he will always be Picard, just as Shatner will always be Kirk for many of us.
I’ve never understand why trek fans get so obsessed with the actors who portray the characters on film and tv. I can understand why stewart gets annoyed when ppl always associate him with Picard and go to his plays just to see ‘Picard’ etc. I know fans can say that it was star trek that made ppl like shatner famous and that these actors should be grateful for the attention they receive but fans behave as if they ‘own’ the actors in some senses and that people like shatner belong to the franchise which is a little bit weird
I’m sure his talk show will be a warm and witty affair. Still a great entertainer, and will make a fine show host I’m sure.
Rick Springfield is a rock legend? Yeah, probably in this age. In a world where Britney Spears is considered a ‘diva’, then yeah, any rock singer is a legend.
I like Shatner, but I refuse to watch Oprah. I saw it once, but immediately my IQ and testosterone levels dropped to an undesirable level. If I want to watch mindless pablum, I’ll watch Lifetime with the wife.
He’ll always be Kirk as far as I’m concerned.
You know, the audience still has to pay for all of the things Oprah “gives away”?
I have to admit im going to be watching this talk show. Shatner with his over the top schtick would make for some really entertaining viewing . We know he’s going to be having fun with this one and I think he will put on a really good show, gotta give the man props for this one.
#4
That online gambling site has bought a lot of odd auction items, including the “Jesus on a Grilled Cheese Sandwich”. It is a marketing move, because each weird purchase puts them in the news and provides publicity. It may even be more effective than actually buying ads, particularly if you are a gambling outfit that might have trouble purchasing ad time.
How many other performers could get talk shows at age 77 and actually have viewers looking forward to it? Probably none.
The Shat is just plain awesome.
I paid $130 for my ST-TOSR HD set and
another $150 for my A30 HD player and I have to say
that both were worth every cent I spent on them.
If you’re waiting for a Blue Ray reissue of the set,
you’re really missing out in the mean time!
arrrr…
at tha risk of offense and tah risk o’ repeating the same joke as Mongo…
While I be ahppy for tha skipper’s success of recent, I surely hope my pinnacle isn’t reached until I am 77… yeah can argue that “hey – he was doin’ pretty good in tha ’80s!” but not like tha entertainment machine he has become in his AARP years…
And along tha lines of selling organic material, I have tried ta sell me jars of urine on E-Bay for years and years… I am having a special-
Buy one and get number two for free…
(I got too much inventory and it be growin’ every day…)
Bill is right in sayin’ he was Captain Kirk (past tense- I have a photographic memory; I see words…now quit messin’ with me whales) … Just as an actor would have to give up the ghost and stop playin’ Hamlet for physical reasons he would say “I was Hamlet.” But Billie is more associated with a particular character and -even more rare – a particular character is more associated with him than any other actor I can name…
Except Popeye… why tha devil wasn’t he on that Oprah? U-gu-gu-gu-gu
arrrr…
I watched. There wasn’t much new or surprising, but one thing struck me. I think Shatner would have been happy to spend the entire time talking to Oprah about Oprah. He seemed disappointed when she steered the conversation back to himself.
Shatner must get tired of talking about Shatner. He’s an interesting fellow – not a “joke,” as Battletrek puts it in #37, but a guy who’s had a long life & career with many unpredictable chapters. He’s in a rewarding one now.
#60
No disrepect to Mickey MET, but Mongo think argue semantics. Legend, icon. Maybe many people more think Led Zeppelin more historical rock band than Rick Springfield. Led Zeppelin define genre of music. All matter of taste, though. Sorry Mickey miss out on lot great songs.
World need lot of things, but not get many. Captain Shatner probably one world not get back. Not yet.
#62—He’s been saying that since 1994. What’s the difference?
#78 Closettreker its his way of saying its time to move on from kirk. I can’t figure Shatner out on this one.
You know, I bet William Shatner is an awesome grandfather! I could see that man being a blast with the kids.
Katie G. wrote:
> I would love to see “T. J. Hooker” again. Haven’t seen it since it
> disappeared years ago.
Seasons 1 and 2 of T.J. Hooker have been out on DVD for a few years.
I sure wouldn’t say no to a free copy of TOS-R Season 1. It would be worth it just to watch the Standard Def versions on DVD.
Dave Rossi told me if I wanted to see the original episodes I should go buy them on DVD. I told him I already owned them but I don’t think I’m going to buy the new ones.
Re: #81. Robert Bernardo
“Seasons 1 and 2 of T.J. Hooker have been out on DVD for a few years.”
Really? Didn’t notice it anywhere but then again I haven’t been actively looking for any DVDs as I haven’t been working for a while. lMaybe they were out of stock. The DVDs I have were given to me by friends because I wouldn’t spend the money on myself before I paid the bills. It’s nice to know it’s out there. Thanks for letting me know!! Maybe by the time I have a few pennies to spend they’ll have come down even more in price from whatever they are now.
kg
76. Sorry for irritating you and whoever loves Shatner, I just cant take the guy seriously anymore.
Captured the whole Shatner segment on digital tape, dumped it into I-Movie, edited out any extraneous bits, and burned a DVD-R of it. Very nice.
Katie G. wrote:
> Maybe by the time I have a few pennies to spend they’ll have come down
> even more in price from whatever they are now.
Including shipping, it’s $28.49 from Amazon.com
I didn’t see this link posted above. Here’s most of the interview on Oprah. Enjoy! http://youtube.com/watch?v=in7M8_2csCk
Okay. I see you link now.
Re: #87 Robert Bernardo
Maybe I’ll just look for it at Wal-Mart. Thanks.
kg
#29
If the new Terminator is anything like T3, Star Trek has nothing to worry about.
It was great, watching William Shatner on Oprah! Now, I hope she brings in Leonard Nimoy. For that matter, why not bring in some of the cast members from the new movie?
#92
Especially since he’s promoting “Full Body Project”! I would think that would be a particularly apt subject for Oprah, and I say that in all seriousness, given her issues with weight loss and all.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
Vulcanista
well, well…….slimmed down for Cancun and feeling your “oats”?
Or, by not eating oats, you’ve got that bikini-wearing mindset in place and IT shows!!
Go get ‘em, tiger!
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#60: OK, we’re getting WAY off topic here, but to say Led Zeppelin isn’t iconic? Umm… Whatever. Two good songs? Dude, that’s your opinion. That’s in no way a statement of fact. Someone else might say ALL of their songs are great, another person might say they have a couple dozen great songs, and another person might say he prefers Gregorian chants.
Anyhow, in their 11 years they were together they put out 10 albums, all of which made the top ten, several of them topped the charts, over 100 million albums sold, stadium tours around the world, and a legion of songs that remain staples of classic rock and album rock radio. A 3 DVD set of old concerts was released a few years ago and sold several million units. Long after they split up there have been numerous box sets, “best of” collections and live releases and they continue to sell.
Their recent reunion show got something like several million ticket requests for the 20,000 seats that were available, and if the rumors of a reunion tour come true you will see a demand like no concert tour has ever generated before (not to mention insane prices).
I’m not the biggest Zep fan in the world, but come on… “Stairway to Heaven,” “Whole Lottle Love,” “Kashmir,” “Ramble On,” “Good Times Bad Times,” “Over the Hills and Far Away,” “All My Love,” “Fool In the Rain” and on and on… They were the blueprint for pretty much every hard rock band that came along after they did. They’re in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and they deserve to be. “Legends,” “Icons,” whatever you want to call them, Zeppelin qualifies.