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Star Trek’s Top ‘O The Irish March 17, 2008

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Today is St. Patrick’s Day, traditionally a day to celebrate that inner Irish person in every one of us…often with a drink in your hand. The staff at TrekMovie.com got to wondering, who in the world of Star Trek would we want with us as we hop down to the pub on St. Patty’s day. See below for TrekMovie.com’s ‘Top O’ The Irish.’

Seamus (VOY: “Fair Haven”)
As St. Patrick’s Day is a religious holiday it is always nice to show a bit of charity. And Fair Haven’s Seamus is the ultimate charity case. But once you buy him a pint he is an affable best friend, until he needs a refill at least.

Kevin Riley (TOS: “The Naked Time”)
When you are out drinking on St. Patrick’s Day you know there is going to be some singing. Who better to get the group going than Kevin Thomas Riley? Sure he can’t carry a tune but it is all about the effort.

Finnegan (TOS: “Shore Leave”)
Yes Finnegan may be a bit of a jerk, but he can certainly entertain the group with stories of ‘plebe’ Kirk all day long. Plus things can always turn ugly with lots of drinking and so it is good to have someone around you know is good for a dust up.

Brenna Odell (TNG: “Up The Long Ladder”)
One might think that Danilo Odell is the obvious imbibing companion choice from the Odell clan. However, you always need someone along to keep you grounded. Plus as designated drivers go, Brenna ain’t too hard on the eyes either.

Miles O’Brien (TNG, DS9)
There can be no doubt who is the top St. Patrick’s day pub crawling companion — Star Trek’s ultimate everyman, Miles Edward O’Brien . Sure marriage has slowed him a bit, but the man can drink like the rest of them and (when in the zone) play darts like the best of them.

 

HAPPY ST. PATRICK’S DAY FROM TREKMOVIE.COM

 

Bonus Video:
Miles O’Brien (and Julian Bashir) drunk and singing

St. Patrick’s Day video from Rico at the TreksInSciFi podcast, featuring Finnegan (with the Irish musical theme by Gerald Fried).

 

Comments

1. Sucker - March 17, 2008

Booyah

2. Anthony at Notre Dame (yah, the Fighting Irish...) - March 17, 2008

why are so many Irish portrayed as drunken fools? Oh wait…

3. (The) TOS Purist aka The Purolator - March 17, 2008

To heck with the rest o’ them, gimme Finnegan and Riley (only one Y in the name, just to help out…double-check the Memory-Alpha page) any day!!

4. Britsh Naval Dude - March 17, 2008

Me and Miles O’Brien
Went out a’beer a buyin’….

5. Irish Trekki - March 17, 2008

Ok children, the closest thing to us, down the pub, in full swing, with enough drink on board to kill a Gorn;
Klingons!

6. maspill - March 17, 2008

breena odell yum yum

7. Jackson Roykirk - March 17, 2008

While I would rather hoist a pint at the pub with Kevin Riley, I would much rather go home from that pub with Brenna Odell.

8. Irish Trekki - March 17, 2008

Meant to say, based on that logic the ideal drinking partner would probably be Worf or even better, Martock

9. Hat Rick - March 17, 2008

I trust I am not alone when I say to Trek: May the luck o’ th’ Irish be wi’ you!

10. Katie G. - March 17, 2008

Thanks, trekmovie staff! Everyone wanted a St. Patrick’s Day article and you delivered. Great group of people!!

Happy St. Paddy’s Day!

kg

11. Katie G. - March 17, 2008

Ooh, ooh, Anthony – - how about a Poll on which of the above was your fav Star Trek Irish character?

kg

12. Anthony Pascale - March 17, 2008

ok

13. Irishtrekkie - March 17, 2008

Seamus from Fair Haven’s and Brenna Odell , are all fine , but can we see some real Irish characters please , not stereotypical joke characters ,

14. Dr. Image - March 17, 2008

As an antidote to today, I must watch “Gangs of New York” again.
Go Bill, go!

15. Harry Ballz - March 17, 2008

Irishtrekkie

are you saying this isn’t a fair representation of the Irish? Good heavens!

16. Irish Trekki - March 17, 2008

But if they did that then there’d only be Miles O’Brian

17. Katie G. - March 17, 2008

THANK YOU!!!!!

kg

18. Irish Trekki - March 17, 2008

Even I ahve to admit though Fair Haven just anoyed me! Hate to tell you this but Ireland never looked like that!

19. Irishtrekkie - March 17, 2008

yes i agree . alot of fair haven annoyed me too , hmm i liked the bit with the harp backwards and where janeway reference as trinity college education , but the rest of the fair haven was just so fake and cheap

20. Garovorkin - March 17, 2008

Brenna Odell is gorgeous and she had fire.

21. Irishtrekkie - March 17, 2008

sure i remember reading somewhere Colm Meaney would not let them put leprechaun in TNG esp , as it would be offensive , kinda wish he was there in the voy for the fair haven esp , as i think the writers strange tourist view of Ireland

22. Katie G. - March 17, 2008

Re: #19. Irishtrekkie

Well, in their defence, maybe it was supposed to be that way. It was, after all, a holodeck creation by Tom who was a history buff. Maybe that’s why it wasn’t perfect. He wasn’t Irish and he didn’t live in that era.

Really gotta go make that irish Stew…

kg

23. Irish Trekki - March 17, 2008

#21
Damn straight he wouldn’t! Although that episode with Rumplstiltskin came way too close! Most people seem to think Ireland looked like that. Did Janeway go to Trinners?

24. Orb of the Emmisary - March 17, 2008

Happy St. Patrick’s Day to all my fellow Star Trek fans! :-)

Live Long and Prosper.

25. Britsh Naval Dude - March 17, 2008

arrr…
Hey ya- Katie… I be posting St Patty Day stuff (guess whar) for days now… but glad ya be enjoyin A’s column here…

arrrr… me favorite Irish character be not in tha poll… it’s obviously one of those greeny girls from the ENT episode…. ENT only cuz they still be about me own age…

dare ta dream…oh and as far as leprechauns bein’ offesnive… just remember that I don’t take a goodly dander ta Popeye…
what about poor Finny who got allegedly kilt by Kirk? And that thar Andorian with jaundice… what a shade of green he be!

arrrr… just kiddin ’bout Popeye… me luvs tha green,green Spinach…

26. Harry Ballz - March 17, 2008

Ah, yes, BND…you remind me of that old film classic, How Green Was My Spinach!

27. Harry Ballz - March 17, 2008

Hey, I just googled Bruce Mars who played Finnegan and, apparently, his last acting role was in a Then Came Bronson episode back in 1969. Whatever happened to this guy? Is he still alive?

28. Katie G. - March 17, 2008

Re: #25. BNDude

“Hey ya- Katie… I be posting St Patty Day stuff (guess whar) for days now… but glad ya be enjoyin A’s column here…”

Sorry, Dude. (Hah! Love the name.) Guess I love Star Trek so much I spend all my free time on the computer at this site. Have also really enjoyed meeting all you guys.

Now I really must go make dinner while the caffeine and sugar in the ton of chocolate I’ve consumed is still energizing me.

Ta, Dude.

kg

29. The Vulcanista - March 17, 2008

Old Irish (allegedly) Toast: “May you be in Heaven a half an hour before the Devil knows you’re dead!”

Cheers, dears! Happy St. Patty’s Day!

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcan O’Nista }:-|

30. Irish Trekki - March 17, 2008

Yup that’s one of ours!

31. Rhett Coates - March 17, 2008

#2 — “Why are so many Irish portrayed as drunken fools? Oh wait….”

My pal Dennis Farrell (cousin of Colin Farrell) once told me an Irish joke that started REALLY fast—and took me a couple of seconds to catch on. It began:
“Two Irishmen walk out of a bar………….”

(–a beat–)

And then Dennis just looked over at me waiting for a reply, which quickly became a smirk and a laugh………. with the punch line being, simply, “NOT!” So you see, it ain’t just US telling those Irish drinking jokes! Here’s to ya’—CHEERS!

32. CmdrR - March 17, 2008

Miles… by miles.

Vulcanista — they have Limeade at Publix. It won’t get ya brawlin’ crazy, but… It’s green.

33. David (Flaming Wings Forever!) - March 17, 2008

lol #31 – sad, but true.

34. Denise de Arman - March 17, 2008

Harry#26- “How green was my Spinich” – LMAO!

35. Denise de Arman - March 17, 2008

I never realized there were so many good Irishmen in Trek – I always wondered if Riley thought he was being punished for The Naked Time when he was sent down to Engineering in Conscience.

36. Dierna - March 17, 2008

What about Captain Janeway??? She’s all Irish!! Kate Mulgrew is Irish-American!

37. Irishtrekkie - March 17, 2008

#31
……………………..hmm right as jokes go its not too bad, lol
but lets keep that stuff to a minimum lol

Happy St. Patty’s Day!

38. mojonaut - March 17, 2008

Colm Meaney deserves major kudos for getting the word “bollocks” into an episode of DS9.

Captain Janeway isn’t all Irish, thank you very much.

39. SPOCKBOY - March 17, 2008

An excuse to bring this oldie back again…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-nlbchOkmg

: )

40. Viking - March 17, 2008

#27 Harry – did the same thing. Got a few hits for eBay – he was apparently doing the sci-fi con circuit at one poiint – but it’s like the guy went into a federal witness protection program for crash-and-burn supporting actors……..

41. Barney - March 17, 2008

Oh god, spare us the plastic paddy stuff please! The only half-decent Trek ‘Irish’ character was Chief O’Brien. And as for ‘Up The Long Ladder’, what a pile of manure. Hope everyone enjoyed their silly green coloured pints today…

42. CmdrR - March 17, 2008

http://www.startrekhistory.com/restoration/contributors5.html

scroll down to Bruce Hyde and click on part 9.

43. Miguel - March 17, 2008

O’Brien wasn’t a drunken fool. In “Honor Among Thieves” it was shown that the character was the only person keeping cardassian and federation tech on the base working.

44. Not Irish - March 17, 2008

Will we be celebrating St George’s day here too? Doubt it

45. Irish Trekki - March 17, 2008

Kevin Riley………… NOT one of ours!!!!
Oh and #41
the reason he was such a successful Irish Character was because he actually was Irish! He did not once sing some god awful ballad (Kathleen someting or other). THERE IS ALOT OF STUFF WE DO NOT DO!!!!

46. Barney - March 17, 2008

Maybe we should Not Irish, and have a list celebrating Mr Kyle, Dr Bashir and Lt Reed! At least St George’s and St David’s days aren’t the sham that St Patrick’s Day is and that the Scots want to turn St Andrews day into!

Star Trek has never dealt well with anything relating to ‘Ireland’ and I’ve always tried to stop that from tainting my enjoyment of Trek.

47. Barney - March 17, 2008

Irish Trekkie…Duh! Of course I know that Colm Meaney is from the Republic, I didn’t think I needed to spell that out!

48. Anthony Pascale - March 17, 2008

I think some people are taking this article too seriously.

49. Irish Trekki - March 17, 2008

Em, Barney I was agreeing with you.

50. Plum - March 17, 2008

I’m Irish! Kiss me! :)

51. mojonaut - March 17, 2008

Do any English people celebrate St. George’s day? Not really. Irish people do celebrate it, and it just so happens the rest of the world has taken it up too. Big deal. Quit the sour grapes.

Oh, and was Dr. Bashir actually English? He had an English accent, but then, so did Captain Picard.

Oh, and for the record: It’s Paddy, not Patty. A Patty is something you make burgers out of.

52. girl6 - March 17, 2008

Leonard Horatio McCoy

*drops shot of Dickel into pint of Guinness*

Tip a cup to Jackson DeForest Kelley–the last best bluest eyes in the universe. …sigh…

53. NCC-73515 - March 17, 2008

“The minstel boy to the war is gone,
in the ranks of death you will find him.
his father’s sword he has girded on,
and his wild harp slung behind him.

Land of song, sais the warrior bard,
though all the world betrauys thee,
one sword, at least, thy rights shall guard!
One faithful harp shall praise thee!”

54. Britsh Naval Dude - March 17, 2008

#48
Oh we just thank ye Anthony for such a bonny place where the mindful Spocks and the playful Trelanes can gather and be foolish altogether…

and Harry… I believe that be a quiet John Wayne film… How Green Wuz Me Spinach… “I am what I am, mister.” Maybe an Eastwood? “You gunna pull those cans of spinach or whistle Danny Boy?”

St. George Day? Oh me my… who wants ta go out and slay some Gorn?

Now, if you’ll pardon me I gotta get Korab’s lucky charm… oops, wrong hollyday…

Did I plug me poem enough on post 285 o’ tha chat? Shameful am I. Let the cat outta tha bag.

I think it be the 18th already for me… time to clean the piles o’ lime colored bilge from tha poopdeck…

yo ho ho…
arrrrr….

55. Viking - March 17, 2008

‘I think some people are taking this article too seriously.’

It wouldn’t be a true Trekmovie.com thread then, would it? LMAO :-)

56. Viking - March 17, 2008

Yeah, yeah, yeah – Warning: Viking – no trolling!

Guess I gotta take it more, *AHEM* seriously.

*THWAP!* LOL :-)

57. THX-1138 - March 17, 2008

#1 Do not drink green beer. It ‘aint right. Drink all the beer you please, but make sure to leave some room for a proper Irish whiskey.

#2 Do not boil cabbage to go with your corned beef, if you are so inclined to eat that on St. Pat’s. Boiled cabbage is foul.

C) Remind me when I’ve had enough to drink. And as Harry sez, call me a cab.

#5 I think I’d rather drink with Riker. O’Brien always seemed a bit grouchy.

Happy Paint Saddy’s to ya’, geeks!

58. ensignjack - March 17, 2008

A beeeuuuutiful lass Kathleeeeeeeen!!!!!
toast to you Riley

59. VOODOO - March 17, 2008

Slow news day I guess.

60. Britsh Naval Dude - March 17, 2008

#53… sorry to all, at the risk of green eggs and spammin’ with so many posts this day, but I must say to Enterprize thar that I thanke for that ditty… good ep of TNG because of Colm thar…

Now, ta get me mop and glow tha poopdeck to a pot o’ gold shine….

bein’ a sailor… bad food, strict discipline, and no women… wish I were in tha 23rd century… or at least in May o’ 2009…

But time is a good companion and patience is what gets us to realize our hopes…

oh, makin’ meself sick…luckily I’m not alone in bein’ that after all ye’s pub crawlin’…
arrrr….

61. Dennis Bailey - March 17, 2008

#59: “Slow news day I guess.”

Evidently.

The American idea of a holiday honoring the Irish is a festival to celebrate public inebriation and negative stereotypes. That so many Irish Americans enthusiastically embrace that is a source of anger to many real Irish, but what can you do?

Anyone know the story about Colm Meany’s reaction to Piller writing a leprechaun into a DS9 episode? Now, *that’s* an Irishman.

62. CmdrR - March 17, 2008

^ That was one of the episodes (early) that made me wonder whether DS9 was going to go tghe way of Irwin Allen.

63. orion pirate - March 17, 2008

Kevin Riley!

Also, though he’s clearly no Irishman, I think McCoy would be a good one to knock ‘em back with at any given pub xD

64. THX-1138 - March 17, 2008

So, Dennis, tell us. Just how do you celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day? And how is it properly celebrated in Ireland?

65. Irishtrekkie - March 17, 2008

” At least St George’s and St David’s days aren’t the sham that St Patrick’s Day ”

oh get off it , i am the first to jump on the hating when it comes the the plastic paddy stuff, but the day also means alot to people , alot of ex pats use it as a day to think about home , ( yes i know the world is not as big as it use to be )

st george and st davids day may not be shams , cause they dont have the following or the passion of st Patricks day , has , and lets be honest those days dont repersent anything to their people .

66. Kayla Iacovino - March 17, 2008

61. I am Irish (albeit an American one) but as far as I know, the true Irish enjoy the fact that Americans take so much pleasure in celebrating what is in Ireland an important holiday. I don’t think many of them take any offense. It’s all in the spirit of having fun; don’t get too wrapped up in “stereotypes”. The rest of us aren’t, seriously. It’s just about having a good time.

67. PaulFitz - March 17, 2008

A LITTLE BIT OF A RANT HERE.

Miles ‘O’ Brien was fine, no problem there, now I love TREK dont get me wrong, but……………………..
The Fair Haven thing? And the TNG’s “up the long ladder”? What the hell? And more recently the episodes of HEROES set in Cork. I live in Cork. A bar like that would be shut down. (everyting about that was poor at best)

Fair Haven? No place in Ireland could have a name like that.
Lismore, Cork, Dungarvan, Blackpool, Charleville. These are typical names of places. Derived from the Irish of the original name, changed by the english when they invaded.
Brenna Odell, played by an Englishwoman (explaining the awful accent). The accent is hard for you Americans, and English I suppose…. Because we have about 20 of them. You can tell a persons hometown by the accent. There is no neutral Irish accent. It is as variable as Voyagers Nacelles.

We are not paupers who all wear Aran Sweaters, NO ONE SAYS “TOP OF THE MORNIN’……. NO ONE!!

I love Lá ’le Pádraig, however…. I hate the attitudes of people who think they are Irish because their great Grandparents were from Sligo. Get over it. You are from, where you were born (born on the rock, come from the rock).
Forget the Plastic Paddy crap, and be proud of the national identity you have. For me, its a day to celebrate how far we have come, from an oppressed dying nation, to a solid economic power in Europe, with a multinational population which works well.
Paddy’s day is Irish Pride day.
The only shame is when we see the way we are portrayed on TV,
(and American TV in particular).

Slain go foil.

68. Harry Ballz - March 17, 2008

I’m sure any portrayal of the Irish in film or T.V. is meant with appreciation, support , love and good intentions. Happy St. Paddy’s Day, everyone!!!

69. Gene L. Coon was a U. S. Marine - March 17, 2008

#67 I’ve spent a lot of time in Buttevant and Churchtown. I’m one of those Americans with Irish grandparents, but I always call myself American. You are absolutely correct about those accents, of course! That Cork accent is a foreign language compared to my other cousins’ in Fermanagh. I am proud to say that I can “do” the Cork, Dublin, and Fermanagh accents well enough to pass for a native. Great points. Love the rant.

Having said that, I took the kids in to the Parade in NYC today. They’re pretty young, so they loved it.

Bye for now!

70. S. John Ross - March 17, 2008

The voyages of the Enterprise always put me more in mind of St. Brendan than St. Patrick, but it’s all beautiful in the green (and any excuse to celebrate Miles O’Brien is a good one) ;) Happy St. Pat’s!

71. Katie G. - March 17, 2008

Re: #57. PaulFitz

“We are not paupers who all wear Aran Sweaters, NO ONE SAYS “TOP OF THE MORNIN’……. NO ONE!! ”

Who here said you do?

I didn’t like the TNG episode because of the Irish slant. I was concerned that it would be taken the wrong way but I don’t think it was a deliberate mock of Irish culture. If it was, why don’t you find out who wrote it and send them the “rant” instead of stirring things up here where no one had anything to do with it?

kg

72. Katie G. - March 17, 2008

Moving on…

Harry, I’ve been looking all over for something to show Bruce Mars’ birthdate (Finnegan) and whether he was still alive or not but all I could find were acting credits (and there weren’t many). Apparently his only huge claim to fame was as Finnegan. So I don’t know much about him either.

In my search I did see something that shocked and saddened me. I must be really behind the times but I didn’t know that Kellie Waymire died suddenly of heart problems in November 2003. She was the woman who played “Lanya”, the actress who was jealous of B’Elanna in “Muse” (ST:VOY) and who played “Elizabeth Cutler” in ST:ENT.

Can’t see straight I’m so sleepy. Goodnight.

kg

73. mojonaut - March 18, 2008

@THX…: “#2 Do not boil cabbage to go with your corned beef, if you are so inclined to eat that on St. Pat’s. Boiled cabbage is foul.”

The trick is to boil the cabbage in the same water as you boil the beef. Remove the beef from the water and allow it to rest. Wrap some tin-foil around it, and boil the cabbage for no more than 5 or 6 minutes. I’m no fan of cabbage, but it’s the only way I’ll eat it. Friends of mine will actually drink the water afterwards, which sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me, but is actually fairly good sense since that’s where most of the nutrients go.

Of course, you’re not going to be too popular in the office the next day, which I can properly attest to. Especially since my favourite accompaniment for said meal (along with champ and parsley sauce) is a bottle or two of Guinness Extra out of the big glass pint bottle from my local.

Someone asked how us Irish celebrate Paddy’s day: I usually do so by not leaving the house. As a Dublin native, things tend to get hysterical in the city on Paddy’s Day. Yesterday, there were twelve people arrested. My mother has connections with people who work in the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre, as her own line of work is in a similar area. The calls to their helpline, as well as the crowded A&E departments, are the reason I cannot stand being in Dublin on the day. If anyone has read The Rum Diary by Hunter S. Thompson, they would know what Dublin can be like. There’s a certain scene in that book that reminds me so much of this place when all the under-age scallies are let loose on the streets.

About three years ago I witnessed some bloke kicking the crap out of a girl a similar age on Dublin’s main street, O’Connell St. The guy would’ve been maybe 17. Not ten metres away was a Garda (our police force) standing there, staring at it. It took a taxi driver nearly ploughing his car into the back of a bus as he swerved and jumped out to pull the guy off the girl. He then proceeded to go over to said cop and tear him a new one, and rightly so.

That’s just a small example of the kind of lunacy that takes place in Dublin on Lá Féile Pádhraig.

74. Jerry O Connor - March 18, 2008

Yeah, alcoholism is a massive problem here in ireland, I have several uncles with massive alcholol problems, which are difficult to avoid in a country which can indulge in alcoholism at the smallest provocation. I love Ireland, but I love its History and how far we’ve come, we’ve been an embattled little Island, and I think the reason this comments board has gotten so heated is, when you’re Irish its rather difficult to see American Tv Shows, and movies depicting us as laughing stocks. Like My American Uncle who thinks Ireland’s in exactly the same place it was when he left it in the 60s, a lot of America still seems to think Ireland is still enduring the Famine.

However, I think alot of it comes from the immigrant mentality, the newly arrived Irish in America at the turn of the century, like any poor immigrant class were bound to get involved in more fights, law breaking moments, and I think the fact that In America we were a poor immigrant class for so long, it reflected the general image of them back home… I prefer island of poets and playwrights to Island of brawlers and Alcoholics. Though I don’t get that angry anymore, I just laugh at the ridiculousness of it.

Oh, and one thing I’ve always wondered : How the HELL did Finnegan get into Starfleet academy? The man was obviously unhinged..

75. GraniteTrek - March 18, 2008

Jerry, not all of us Yanks think of the Irish as laughing stock – we love you folks. Don’t forget, American TV (at least in the past):

- Thinks/thought of all folks from the West as cowboys
- Thinks/thought of those Injuns as one dimensional bad guys
- Thinks/thought of Italians as either mob figures or organ grinders
- Typically showed stereotypes of African Americans
- Thinks of most folks from certain parts of the mountain South as hillbillies
- Didn’t do real well depicting a non-standard family structure for a very long time

So don’t worry, it’s not just the Irish that get the stereotype treatment! :) TV is/was an equal opportunity offender! Here’s to ya!

76. Irish Trekki - March 18, 2008

Anyways I hope we’ve all calmed down. I don’t know why but around conversations like these, Irish National pride tends to come to the fore; we’ve only been a country for 86 years, shorter than most of Europe. It is cool when Americans ‘come home’ for want of a better word. We may seem abraisive, but we love it. To be fair places like Fairhaven do exist today, moderne villages and so on. With respect to St George’s Day, it is celebrated; it doesn’t have the same commercial success as St Patrick’s day, but maybe that’s a better thing.
Oh and funny story, I was walking around Dublin (the capital) at around 7 in the morning, I had an early lecture. This guy walks by me and actually said ‘top of the morning to you’. I was stunned! anyways slainte!

77. orion pirate - March 18, 2008

#52 ?

Amen to the blue eye comment –dreamy sigh–

78. TheCat - March 18, 2008

Any one of the Orion slave girls, thats spelled O’Ryan on St. Paddy’s Day, would do, thank you!

79. Katie G. - March 18, 2008

I agree with #75 Granite Trek. Star Trek, as part of America, fell into that trap as well.

If you walk around the bad areas of Toronto, especially on the Friday and Saturday nights, you’ll see a lot of that. It’s not just the Irish, there are a lot of lost ‘souls’ who do not know any better drowning their sorrows and lashing out at the world that it hates for whatever reasons.

Finnegan was a fictional character and I found it sad that the writer put in someone with an ethnicity so obvious. They could have put in someone else with a non-descript, anonymous name to portray the man who vexed Kirk in his academy days and it wouldn’t have seemed so bigoted. Guess in their minds it was harmless fun. I’d like to believe that it wasn’t deliberate.

To all those who were offended by TPTB’s choice of stories presented (in how they portrayed the Irish OR ANYTHING OFFENSIVE FOR THAT MATTER) I apologize on their behalf, hope you’ll be able to forgive them and embrace the rest of Trek.

kg

80. Mike Carroll - March 18, 2008

The portrayal of the Irish in “Up the Long Ladder” is incredibly insulting; whoever green-lit that episode should have been fired. Not only is it tantamount to racism, it’s also a really, really bad episode. And as for the Fairhaven episodes of Voyager… I don’t think I’ve ever seen worse television (but that’s kind of true for most of Voyager).

Thank God for Colm Meaney (a rare thing in Hollywood: an Irish character actually played by an Irish actor!)

It’s amazing how St. Patrick’s Day (note: not “Patty’s Day” – no one EVER calls it that over here!) differs in Ireland from the rest of the world. Over here, we can take it or leave it. The only ones who seem to care about it are the would-be Irish who seem to think that having a distant Irish ancestor somehow makes them Irish. What rubbish! They’re about as Irish as I am Minbari!

81. mojonaut - March 18, 2008

Irish Trekki: “Oh and funny story, I was walking around Dublin (the capital) at around 7 in the morning, I had an early lecture. This guy walks by me and actually said ‘top of the morning to you’. I was stunned! anyways slainte!”

That could’ve been me. I always say it, but in an ironic way. Though if it was seven in the morning, chances are I was still unconscious since I work 9-5.

Any other fans of Colm Meany should check out Roddy Doyle’s trilogy which featured him: The Commitments, The Snapper & The Van. Real Dub humour without any of the cringes. Roddy would also have the kind of politics that would appeal to Star Trek fans, I think, albeit with a working class, pre-prosperous Dublin backdrop.

82. Katie G. - March 18, 2008

Again (like in my previous post #71) why don’t you find out who wrote it, contact them and tell them what you think instead of bringing the anger here where no one had anything to do with it? This is not a forum where anger at perceived mistreatment is to be aired. This is a website about Star Trek actors, directors, TV, movies, special effects, etc.

If you didn’t like the episodes, fine. There’s no harm in saying that like other postings above you have done. Sharing opinions is one thing. Putting angry words to paper is another.

Fairhaven was a fictional town that a fictional Star Trek character (Tom Paris) created in a fictional holodeck. It showed that he didn’t know very much about the Irish even though he was supposedly a history buff. We got that. Surely you cannot believe that anyone is mistaking this for the real thing and saying “oh, so that’s what the Irish are like”. You can choose to be angry and spew it all over people who had nothing to do with it or you CAN CHOOSE to realize that there are some stupid people who don’t think things through. And if they are racist, please, by all means, GO CONFRONT THEM, not others who had nothing to do with it.

kg

83. Anthony Pascale - March 18, 2008

I would just like to say for the record that I am part Irish. My mother’s maiden name starts with ‘Mc’ And my middle name is very Irish (i will keep it to my self). I have been to Ireland a few times and have Irish friends, from Ireland.

This article was a bit of fun. If you took it too seriously then I suggest more drinking.

I hope everyone had a safe and sane St. Patrick’s day

84. The Vulcanista - March 18, 2008

Thanks, A!

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

85. mojonaut - March 18, 2008

A surname that begins with “Mc” isn’t necessarily Irish. Just to point it out. While I’m Irish, and my brothers are Irish (we don’t have the same surname), McLave (which is their surname) is actually Scottish. Actually, my surname is Scottish, too. But I’m Irish. 100%.

86. Anthony Pascale - March 18, 2008

mojo…I am not sure what you are insinuating but I guarantee you that my mother’s side of the family is Irish through and through. I am sorry if I am not Irish enough for you.

I

87. Harry Ballz - March 18, 2008

Anthony

my mother’s maiden name began with Mc and comes from Irish roots….a little ironic, if not perverse, that we may be distant relatives….yikes!

88. mojonaut - March 18, 2008

My apologies, I’m not insinuating anything. Just that a lot of people from outside of Ireland tend to take their Irishness too far. Having a Mc in one’s name, more often than not, means they’re actually Scottish rather than Irish.

Mc in a person’s name simply means “son of”. There’s no connection between one Mc and another. So the chances of your being related are pretty nonexistent.

89. Irish Trekki - March 18, 2008

#87
Harry, if you and Anthony were distant relatives, would the banning of you from the site be grounds for a feud?

90. Harry Ballz - March 18, 2008

You betcha!!

91. Irish Trekki - March 18, 2008

Excellent, I’ll get a pitchfork!

92. THX-1138 - March 18, 2008

O dear Lord in Heaven! We shall not get into an argument about who is more Irish.

And to Jerry and Mike:

A bit of info for you would be that the only “Americans” would be of the native variety. The rest of us will always have a tendency to take pride in our ancestry. How can that possibly be a bad thing? I don’t dismiss my “Americanism” by any means. But telling an Irish American that he shouldn’t credit his families Irish heritage and ties is asking for an argument. America is a melting pot, when it works properly. Celebrating our diversity at the same time as we celebrate our unity is the American way. Doesn’t always work, but it is the ideal.

93. mojonaut - March 18, 2008

Legally, you can only claim ancestry up to three generations anyway. I think Americans claiming their ancestry is more about a lack of their own national identity than a pride in others. Just a thought. If I’m to go back three generations, I could claim Scottish heritage, but I’m Irish because both my parents are Irish and I was born here.

94. The Vulcanista - March 18, 2008

Carnegie: Scottish or Irish name?

We got a Carnegie third foremother, as the Vulcans like to say. Sad to say, not from the rich side of the family, either.

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

95. Katie G. - March 18, 2008

Re: #53. NCC-73515

Sorry – - but I meant to thank you for typing up the words to that song. I had never heard it before that episode of TNG (Season 4, Episode 12 “The Wounded) where Miles had to help Captain Picard capture his old Captain (Maxwell) and it was powerful. The tune is beautifully haunting and mournful. To this day I get melancholy when I hear it. Not because of Star Trek (even though I really liked that episode) but because it is a beautiful ballad. Thanks for reminding me.

Re: #94. The Vulcanista

An Irish Vulcan? Yikes…

Actually, my grade 9 (?) Geography teacher’s name was Mr. Carnegie and he was Scottish. But who knows… He caught me doing an impression of him and actually laughed. Looking back I sincerely hope that I did not offend him. He was an excellent teacher and I was a nightmare of a student for a few years.

kg

96. Harry Ballz - March 18, 2008

Katie, you a nightmare……tell me it isn’t so!

97. Irish Trekki - March 19, 2008

#94
I think it’s scottish but I’m not sure!

98. Craig - March 19, 2008

Sorry to break it to you, but none of you know the first thing about Ireland. You only think you do.

99. Katie G. - March 19, 2008

Harry, you have no idea.

I’ll take a chance and answer here instead of in the Chat Thread since this thread is nearly done anyway…

Guess that’s why I’m so sensitive to all the anger because I used to be these angry people. Like I mentioned in a previous thread, my sibling was 12 years old when I was born and must have really resented my arrival because said sibling terrorized me until I was 16. Started smoking at 11, started drinking and doing drugs at 15 and would sit in class with my feet up on my desk just daring the teachers to notice me. Never failed a class because none of my teachers wanted me back for a second year!! Don’t remember when I started swearing but my mouth was FOUL (also didn’t help that I fell in with the wrong crowd). Got caught shoplifting two months before my 16th birthday so there was no record. It was just a stupid lark and I never did it again. Someone was looking after me…

After I straightened out near the end of my last year in high school some of my classmates came up to me and confessed that they had been scared of me. I laughed my head off because I had been putting up a HUGE facade. I had been so beaten down by my sibling and was so afraid of everyone that I started acting tough hoping the bullies would leave me alone and it worked. My anger fuelled it and it was convincing. Calmed down a bit in my twenties but it returned when customers/people in the workplace would lie about me or get aggressive. I guess it triggered the anger from the abuse I suffered earlier.

Long story a little shorter, God’s been healing my heart so it’s not nearly as bad but it can resurface when I see people bullying others or trying to start fights (uh, like on this website). Tend to get a little overprotective. Like Anthony says, he doesn’t need us playing administrator and he’s right. Sometimes I can’t help it though. Like telling Craig that it looks like he’s trolling (just looking for a fight) so he should take it elsewhere. Previous posters have already apologized for stupid stuff and been quite nice so let it go! Of course, we could always just not return to this thread…

It’s ugly and I don’t like it but anger is a fact of life. I just try to defuse it whenever I can because I wasted SO MANY YEARS BEING ANGRY AT PEOPLE WHO HURT ME. Don’t get me wrong, I still get mad sometimes but it’s not an aura surrounding me any longer. People could see it all over me. Once, when I was trying to carry a lot of boxes home from work, two of the guys from my office saw me fumbling with too many and asked if they could help so all three of us walked together to my car. One of them asked which car was mine but before I could answer the other one said “the one with the blood stains on the grill”. I BURST OUT LAUGHING (because ya gotta admit, THAT WAS FUNNY) but it was also very sad. That’s when I began the journey to rid myself of this anger (and reputation). It took a while and I did soften considerably. However, the bullies still found me and I finally gave up on the workplace in March 1996 and quit my job. The rats were winning the rat race. Like I said in an earlier post, if this website had been around when I was younger I would have been banned very quickly.

This is WAY more info than you wanted but I feel chatty. See you somewhere in another thread…

kg

100. Harry Ballz - March 19, 2008

Katie

you and I are much alike….I was raised in a terrible environment where my father was an alcoholic raging monster. My hands shook until I was 25. I won’t go into a long litany of pain, but it was horrific…..I dealt with anger issues well into my forties.

That’s why I joke all the time. I guess I try to look at the lighter side of life and find humour in everything. I’m 52 and still wrestling with the programming and issues inflicted on me during the formative years of childhood. I congratulate you for making major strides in your life and would guess that there are still some demons you wrestle with to this day. It’s nice to meet up with a kindrid spirit. God bless!

101. Katie G. - March 19, 2008

Harry:

Yeah. I was getting the same message from many different sources:

worthless, worthless, worthless.

Time to take the old recording out and put in a new one:

precious, precious, precious.

You are very correct when you say that I still have some demons to wrestle with. It really never ends. I need to keep my guard up or the old patterns suck me back in. What’s really wonderful is, I hate them. I used to enjoy being angry. (Didn’t know it at the time but it was empowering.)

You joke a lot but in those jokes you repeatedly say “group hug” when things get too heated. We are alike. I’m just more verbose (Chatty Cathy).

I heard Joyce Meyer say that hurting people hurt people. It has made me reexamine some incidents and enabled me to forgive. Very freeing.

Hope the bunch of us meet some day. I’d love to meet you and Denise and Vulcanista and Mr. Poopey face and Batts and Xai and ensign joe…

Better go. It’s really late. Thanks for the note.

kg

102. Harry Ballz - March 19, 2008

Katie

a quote I like to remember is,

“resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die”

It’s a tough road, but friends keep it interesting. You’re right, it would be great if we could all meet up one of these days!

103. Katie G. - March 20, 2008

Harry, Joyce Meyer quotes that one too. When I first heard it, it blew me away. ‘s so true.

Have a great rest-of-the-day. (It’s now 3:14 p.m.).

kg

104. THX-1138 - March 20, 2008

#93

So sue me.

#98

OMG!! You know me so well!! This is scary! And since you do, It was your wife’s idea.

105. Katie G. - March 20, 2008

Re: #104 THX

LOL!!

kg

106. O'Balock - March 20, 2008

Frickin Finnigan!!!

107. USS Eire - April 19, 2008

Don’t forget in TNG “The High Ground” the north/south division in Ireland lasted until 2024, when Ireland was reunited.

Oh roll on 2034! haha :-p

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