Comments on: Moore: No Trek-like Films For BSG – But Yes For TV Prequel

By: Jack

Jack — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:11:37 +0000

#5 Hillarious. The BEST drama sci-fi combination in history and you are bothered that it is dark or grim? Ever watch the news and see what the real world is like? BSG actually has real people that are imperfect forced into crisis. Sorry everyone does not do the right thing and agree with the shows glorious leader. Please. Go back and watch Lost in Space so you can clearly understand what characters are good and bad so that you do not get confused.

By: capt mike

capt mike — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:58:49 +0000

the reason that startrek failed after the next generation is that they got away from gene roddenberrys vision of star trek. they went and made it dark and somber and in the tos and tng it was ligh and adventuresous and there was a few dark elements but just to keep it fresh. just like in the tos with the klingons and romulans and the borg in the tng series. but when gene passed away it just got to dark and thats when a lot of fans quit watching. i hope jj abrams can bring back genes true star trek vision and bring back the real star trek we all love and respect.

By: Garovorkin

Garovorkin — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:46:47 +0000

#125 Sean maybe the 12 lord might be the machine god that they find on earth? Interesting possibility. the 12 lord might even be the final Cylon for all we know and again we have the number 12 in play it would be a riot if his name turned out to be Count Iblis. That would be the ultimate kicker. i haven’t seen a series with this level of writing this level complexity since Babylon 5 and DS9. I like it when a series makes you have to think story possibilities like these.

By: sean

sean — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:18:23 +0000

#124

You’d almost think they would write some derivation of Greek or Latin, given that their religious doctrine seems to be based on a combination of Greek & Roman mythology. Or maybe it’s a bit like Trek’s own ‘Bread and Circuses’, where the culture moved forward but retained a great deal of the Roman elements in its society.

Also, wasn’t part of the whole Kobol exodus story that one of the 12 Lords of Kobol turned on the others because he wanted to be worshipped as a god, and that’s what led to the formation of the 13 tribes? There’s parallels there to Judas (betraying the 11 other Apostles) as well as Satan (believing himself to be greater than God). Maybe the Cylon god will turn out to be The Devil, in a sense.

The problem I stumble into with all this is that Cylons are only supposed to have existed as a culture for roughly 50 years, right? Based on the timeframe for the new show, ‘Caprica’. Yet, it seems as though they’ve existed for far longer. Even the first Hybrid’s warning that ‘this has all happened before’ seems to indicate the Cylons have been around a lot longer than we think. What if they are somehow the 13th Tribe?

By: Garovorkin

Garovorkin — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:22:57 +0000

#123 further thing about BSG when starbuck retrieved the Arrow of Athena and they found the temple went inside and it showed them the consitaions as they would been seen from Earth that one kind of made it evident that who Earth Origin not Kobol. Im curious that Adama and company didn’t wonder about that after seeing those constellations. It tells me that its probably thousands of years past our time. Plus there are other things for example their names and surnames are like find on earth and I know there are a lot of reasons why this one might be silly reason but their spoken and written language is Standard english, I know in scif the Aliens speak english,because of convenience as in Stargate, Translator microbes as in Farscape or in Trek you have Universal translators, But in Trek you have Alien written languages, B5 same thing. But if they were from Kobol you think that Ron Moore would have devised a pseudo alien written language for the Colonists. This could be Ron Moore’s not so subtle way of telling us that its Earth not Kobol.

By: S. John Ross

S. John Ross — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:59:32 +0000

#114: Yeah, 40 is another one of those Biblically-Significant numbers (Forty years in the desert, 40 days Ezekiel on his side, 40 days for Moses on the mount, yadda yadda). If you’re into that kind of thing for more than chuckles, picking apart religions for their numbers is a huge hobby for some folks.

By: Garovorkin

Garovorkin — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 02:06:02 +0000

#120 Ron Moore also had working with him two very talented individuals in Ira Steven Behr and Robert Hewitt Wolfe both of whom like Ron Moore got sick of the Limitations that Star trek the Next generation imposed on them. Ds9 also had to my the greatest Comander/Captain in Sisko. Avery Brooks is a truely awesome actor, every bit as Good as Patrick Stewart if not better. Sisko was both tragic and Heroic, his life was difficult and made more so by the Emmisery role which he initially didn’t want but came to embrace.

By: Michael

Michael — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:50:38 +0000

Sorry… 118 should be 119.

By: Michael

Michael — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:48:07 +0000

#117 – Totally agreed. Consequences were not only avoided by switching planets every week, but even things that should have changed rarely did. The so-called reset button. I understand the network argument for this, long term story elements may discourage viewers from watching it for the first time, but I think it really undermines the drama when you absolutely know that everything will be back to normal by next week.

#118 – Again, totally agreed. Binding characters to so-called 24th century norms and ideals , which are never really described in detail, limits the drama in so many ways. I was so happy that they had relaxed this view and tried to explore these ideas in DS9, stretching the limits of this particular ideal. I think star trek philosophy is deliberately “big tent” that is, poorly fleshed out, so that people are not offended or excluded by it. After all, a system where there is no money and where everyone is entitled to a standard quality of life is at least a socialist system, which I don’t mind, but it would never be described that way on screen. I also liked that DS9 showed some of the possible consequences of what we knew about their philosophy, such as with eugenics or section 31. This was new territory at least, not rehashes of previous material. The last two Treks seemed to think that just putting a bunch of people on a ship and having them go through the motions was enough.

By: Garovorkin

Garovorkin — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:31:36 +0000

#118 Micheal its to bad the trek franchise took 3 steps back with the forgettable Voyager and Enterprise which could have should and in the end wasn’t. I still wish we had gotten a Captain Sulu series instead of the crap called voyager. Thing about wrankles me is that there are so many trek fans who are incapable appreciating what Ds9 did for the whole fanchise, namely save it from the creeping mediocrity that had started in the 4 season of the next generation. The next generation even though better then the original would not take risks. Unlike ds9 every character was annoyingly well adjusted and got along hunky dory for the most part, Boring. On ds9 Ron more gave us a cast that did not necessarily fully like or trust one another or like each other but they found a way to work together which is alot closer to what real people are liks. Good drama has charater conflict which is was DS9 had what Ron Moore introduced into the trek universe.