Shatner Live Chat March 31st + Recent Shatner Q&A March 20, 2008
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Shatner , trackback
A couple of weeks ago we reported that William Shatner will taking his ‘Shatnvervision’ live with an online chat with fans, but it was postponed. Now The Shat’s team have set a firm date of Monday March 31 at 3:00PM Pacific. The chat will be on LiveVideo.com (for more info check out this announcement). In the mean time Bill has been taking fan questions the old fashioned way via his regular Shatnervision Blog, some recent answers below.
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I have slow dial-up. What’s the best way to get this?
kg
Unfortunately, I currently have no speakers on this computer at work, so I can’t listen to audio. I wish there was a transcript.
I like the bike story. I was recently reminded of it when I made the chance discovery of a copy of “The Making of Star Trek” in my college library. Incidentally, they also have David Gerrold’s two books “The Trouble with Tribbles” and “The World of Star Trek” (I’m reading through that one right now).
This is 2008 not 1968.
Who cares about Shatner? He means nothing to Star Trek and never did. The new stars of the franchise will outshine him in every measurable sense.
The world as we know it will end if Shatner (he’s old you know) shows up in ST XI. His appearance would be such a distraction I don’t think my limited mindI could handle it.
Shatner on geopolitical trends
Shatner on processed cheese
Shatner on theoretical mathematics of dynamical systems
Shatner on pudding
Shatner on kitty cats…
sorry… not meanin’ ta be rude, it’s just kind o’ humourous to see all those bytes above yon…
I’m sure many will indeed appreciate tha updated Shatner news here… arrrr
I indeed appreciate tha updated Shatner news here.
I’m never sure whether I care WHAT Shatner is saying, but he has an inescapable appeal, so I watch him say it. If he’s not in XI I won’t dampen my kittens in my tears (though they’d like that) but I will usually tune in when the Shat makes an appearance.
Re: #5. BND
LOL!!
Don’f forget
Shatner on fiber
or
Shatner on selling body parts
Anthony, we’re teasing you. I never get sick of hearing anything about anyone who was/is in Trek, especially Bill.
BTW Anthony, could you change the poll to reflect 3 choices?
1, Film
2. TV
3. Both
I’ll take Trek any way, anywhere.
kg
Poopy face: On TOS question (the only one that I found relevant), Shatner basically said there was no money available and all the talent on the show did the best that was possible in those constraints. He doesn’t think he could have improved on anything (if he had creative control).
HA! he said Leonard’s got a lot of money and keeps it close to his chest! I dont doubt it! LOL!
Shatner on cats?
He has always been pro-pussy…cat.
White, black, green…makes no difference.
#4:
Ivory, either you’re joking or Rick Berman.
In my book Shat is the heart & soul of Star Trek!!!
#1 with slow dial-up ya need much, much patience fur it ta load up…
However I could crop up a few transcripts fur ya… they may not be entirely factual….
by the by… dampen your kittens?
wuld that be like dryin’ out your doggies? The picture of cryin’ upon tha pussycat will now pierce me like Pagliacci…
arrrrrr…
9. Leonard (Nimoy) and his wife, Susan, donated $1 million to the Griffith Observatory in 2001 and a part of it was named after them accordingly. Donating a cool million means that you have plenty of money, indeed.
The Observatory has since re-opened after a massive renovation to rave reviews. (See donation story at http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=4402 )
Given that the Observatory has played such a prominent part in Trek lore (particularly in VOY), this is truly a case of life imitating art.
By the way, I’ve been a member of the Friends of the Observatory, and I think it’s a very worthwhile cause.
Ivory#4- Have you ever watched TOS Ivory? It doesn’t matter how old William Shatner is now. He played a character 40 years ago that is still respected and admired the world over. You must be eighteen – when I was eighteen I thought I knew everything and anyone over the age of thirty was “old”. One of these days you’ll be Shatner’s age and you’ll be lucky if you’re still as active and loving of life as he is. And just because you don’t particularly care for him does not mean the rest of the world feels the same way. You’ll find that’s true about most things as you get older.
#14—Denise, I think you missed the sarcasm…
Does Bill look thinner?
Poopey#15- You think he was joking? I hope he was, although it doesn’t seem to be a very good joke…
Waiting to see Denise do a aerial body kick, drop n roll followed by a karate chop.
Lovin’ it.
CmdrR#18- LOL – you want to see any woman do anything right about now… When is your wife “fully recovered” from the baby-making? We all feel your pain…
Leonard donated a million? Awwwk be!
Good fur him… guess it wuz that Go-Go’s video…(sic)…
Good fur him though
Now, before anyone be giving Shatner tha V (that be the bird for ye Yanks… limeys just like two fingers instead o’ one) let’s sit back in our anonymous world of computin’ and reflect like so:
“Will this post I just wrote make me look like a jerkass?”
OK- enough of all that. Best not ta suffer fools… ’sides it be amazin’ how serious threads get around here… like a prior BSG and even a bit o’ tha art one… ya be thinkin we are in tha midst of curing cancer or makin’ a certain sailor some nice chip buttys…
(that be buttered french fries for ye Yanks thar…)
…on body parts (continuing)
Shatner on chip buttys
Shatner on screwing airlines and hotel chains
Shatner on the portratuire of Titian
Shatner on the Cincinnati Art Museum
Shatner on mud
ooo… can’t stop meself… does that make me look like a jerkass?
arrrrr
arrrrr…
Brit Dude#20- There you go again, being too funny and making sense at the same time.
Re: #12 BND
Naw, don’t worry about it. I’ll make my friend come with me to one of those computer corner cafes and check it out. Thanks!!!
Re: #15 Poopey face
Sorry, guys. I gotta side with Denise in the sense that it didn’t sound like joking or sarcasm to me. Rather than tongue-in-cheek it sounded like tongue-sticking-out-of-mouth. However, this line
“I don’t think my limited mind could handle it.”
sounded like a stab at humour but if he’s joking, we obviously didn’t get it.
kg
Trip#25- Are the actresses all going to be wearing super-mini skirts and super-pushup bras, running from the alien, falling down alot and getting eaten up in the end? Sounds like fun!
next year on shatnervision:
‘Shatner on filming new star trek cameo role..’
‘Shatner on filming with Nimoy once again’
‘Shatner on duping the press’
Hmmm, I’d rather see a Star Trek Alien crossover. A Reliant class ship with its disaster beacon sending a signal warning al ships way when a starship pulls up along side and throwing caution to the wind beams over when no signs of life register. As they beam over the eggs begin to open up and major chaos ensues.
And yes, I have a script written.
Geez,Shatner this,Shatner that,Shatner the other,man,we know that you are out there,you don’t have to prove anything,calm down.
Very soon there will be Shatner TV.
Gawd help us.
Shatner for President!
Denise — AdmiralR went to see Dr. Crusher (or whomever) today, so we’ll see what we see. I sure hope the money I slipped the doc wasn’t wasted. Otherwise, I might as well don my reddest shirt, walk into Manuel’s Tavern and confront the local Klingon bowling league with a hearty “How’re ya doin, you sons of targs!”
25, I think that a Trek crossover with the current BSG would be great. Ron Moore, with his background, would be the ideal writer-producer!
For one thing, just imagine the space battles there could be.
Of course, it’s the characxter that would really matter. Baltar meeting Sisko, for example. Six meeting Seven of Nine. (Isn’t that an equation…?) The possibilities would be endless.
I’d venture that Baltar wouldn’t last too long under Sisko’s questioning.
#11-
I always saw De Kelley as the heart and soul of Star Trek Nimoy as the head/brain(and brain). And Shatner, well he’s the fists and pelvis. In my book.
#2 “I wish there was a transcript.”
At one point he said, “Does anyone happen to know if Closet’s real initials are KNS? I haven’t had anyone come after me like that since I was in the Mutara Nebula!”
:-)
30, my view is that Shatner-as-Kirk was a great combination. Kirk was commanding when he needed to be, and he was courageous without being foolhardy. A great hero of Starfleet. I’ll always respect Shatner’s portrayal of our great captain.
Let’s hope Chris Pine follows in his tradition.
And you’re right — Dr. McCoy did seem to be the most humanistic and the most generous of spirit; Kirk’s role as man of action doesn’t take away from that in the least.
As for Spock, need we say more? The celebrated cerebrating center of the Enterprise, as always.
(’”Brain’ and ‘brain’…. What is ‘brain’?” Spock, that’s what.)
#31—-”To the last, I will grapple with thee…”
“From Hell’s heart….I stab at thee…”
“For hate’s sake, I spit…my last breath…at thee…”
#32-
I agree 100%. Kirk was the best and my favorite- and all the Trek captains were great. Still I don’t understand why so many people feel he needs to be it the new film. I kinda think he will be, one way or another, but I’ll be royally ticked off if his appearence isn’t integral to the story and breaks the flow of the film.
And I trust Pine will be fine.
i wish that Bill had a better handle on his weight/appearance
(mostly it’s his health that concerns me).
One thing I have noted is that he is far more generous to his
coworkers and fan-base than he used to be (say, 20 years ago).
Other than that, I think he’s transitioned
magnificently to and from:
leading man
character actor
guest appearance
punchline
hawker (commercials)
I find him endlessly entertaining. Bill, please live forever!
#35 thomoz, I just checked Bill’s entry at IMDB this afternoon (now, god help me, why did I do that???) there was a photo of him from the 5th March 2008 with Jason Alexander, and he looks GREAT in it. I am convinced that he’s (or someone is) looking after his appearance.
The man is 76 years old — 77 this month, God willing — and he doesn’t look at day over 50. You’re right — he looks good in those photos.
Here’s a link to the photo TK was talking about:
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2409076224/nm0000638
#35 “Bill….is far more generous to his coworkers and fan-base than he used to be (say, 20 years ago)”
Well, let’s see….in the early 1970’s he was, by his own admission, dead broke….
Now, after all the Trek films and commercial endorsements, he’s a rich man…
Yeah, it’s funny how having $40 million in the bank and being in your late 70’s can soften the edge on someone!
What’s there to prove, or be competetive about, at THIS point?
I think he’s pretty open and honest about his post-TOS days, living in a car and doing the rubber-chicken circuit. Little did he dream, one speculates, that he’d be writing well-received Trek novels and playing a funny-annoying partner at a quirky Boston law firm four decades later.
# 11 I Love My Moogie + # 14 Denise De Arman
I think Ivory punked you guys. He/she is one of the bigger Shatner/BBK people on this board.
I’m
Vindictive
Only
Regarding
You!
Shoulda known!
The Bring Back Kirk crowd is strong, indeed. Nothing wrong with a little passion, methinks.
VOODOO#40- I hope you’re right about that. However, methinks, if it was indeed a “punk”, that we need to teach Ivory how to go about pulling off a good punk – that was too close to some of the real stuff we’ve seen here.
Denise- you’re saying you can’t tell when someone is faking it??
Harry- Actually, Harry, I was just about to send you a message asking you to teach me – I haven’t had much experience in that department!
he…he..
Re: Ivory, I think that s/he was taking a jab at people who don’t want Shatner in the movie and are perceived by the people who do as wanting to throw away Trek’s entire history because they support this movie with or without The Shat. Implying that they don’t care about ‘old’ Star Trek because of the shiny new movie that caught their attention. That’s what I thought.
Anyway, I can’t watch the vids right no since I haven’t got my headphones, but I will definitely catch them later. Was he answering questions posted on his site, or here? I didn’t know about this before now, but that’s cool he’s taking the time out to talk to us fans. Shatner’s one nifty dude.
His birthday is next Saturday, right? I oughta send him a birthday card or something. :D
Gotta watch the sarcasm in here. No smilies to let folks know you’re joshing.
It’s a tactic best left to the professionals, kids.
Now eat your veggies.
Aye, aye…Captain April!
43. Denise de Arman – March 20, 2008
Believe me, Ivory loves Shatner.
Ivory’s post was almost venomously sarastic based on past comments.
Re: #49. Xai
I think that’s called “trolling”, isn’t it?
kg
Katie
I think it’s “flaming”, and, no, I’m not talking about how effeminate someone is!
Thanks. Just thought it looked like he was trying to start something and I thought that was trolling. [Sigh.] Oh well.
kg
#2
In the first video he’s talking about the problems TOS was facing and that despite those restrictions everybody involved did the best they could, and that the best people worked on it, and that he doesn‘t think he personally could’ve done any better. Remember, TOS – the show he allegedly isn’t interested in..;-)
Ivory, we’re with you – don’t give up.
Jeez he’s still talking about a 40 year old show. Get a life!
#8
Just saw your post – sorry for double-posting with you on video 1; now Mr. Poopey face (aka Closettrekker, aka KNS) knows almost everything there is to know about it and may ask himself “Is there nothing more?” ;-)
#42
Exactly.
#46
- Was he answering questions posted on his site, or here? I didn’t know about this before now, but that’s cool he’s taking the time out to talk to us fans. -
They were posted on his site – his fan questions blog is being done on a rather regular basis, and I agree, it‘s great that he‘s doing that. I personally find the people posting on his site to be a bit more relaxed than…well, elsewhere. ;-)
25 & 29: Regarding Trek crossovers, I always recall a drawing from the 1970’s on the cover of a fanzine of NCC-1701 phasering the bejeezus out of one of those Space 1999 Eagles.
“Sir, this is Ensign Ricky from the landing party… There are unknown lifeforms gestating inside, and hatching from dead crewmen on the Reliant! Aaaagh!” “Mr Chekhov, destroy that ship.” Boom! THE END
OR
“Sir, a small fleet of ragtag rebels is taking heavy fire from that small moon!”
“That’s no moon, that’s a space station! Spock! Analysis.”
Sir, the sphere matches the description of a ship which recently destroyed planet T21-X4-527B, or Alderaan, as it is known in regional parlance. Primitive turbolasers and proton torpedoes comprise its main weaponry. And its planet-killing beam is easily avoidable.”
“What the hell are proton torpedoes?”
“Unknown, Captain.”
“Shields?”
“None that I am aware of. They must be disabled at the moment. There is also an unprotected two-meter wide hole on the far side. One photon torpedo can destroy the whole vessel.”
“Spock. Beam those rebels aboard.
Uhura, Ship to Ship. Enemy vessel! This is Captain James T. Kirk of the United Federation of Planets. You have committed an act of genocide! I am authorized to detain your commander and escort you to the nearest starbase….”
“No response, Captain.”
“Thank you, Miss Uhura….Spock?
“The ship seems to haver targeted a small structure on the moon below…”
“Mr. Chekhov. Target the hole.”
“Got it, ser! Eets just like tarrgeting womprrats near my dacha outside Leningrad!”
In walks Yeoman Rand. “Sir? Some coffee? Dr. McCoy ordered you be put on decaf. I heated it with a hand phaser!”
“Fire!” Boom.
“Sir, there is a small fighter doing all kinds of rolls and flips as it careens away from the destroyed space station.”
“Tractor Beam. Beam that pilot aboard.”
Bones on intercraft: “Jim! I’ve got some angry rebels down here who say we did something bad.”
Uhura: “Sir, we are being hailed from the moon.”
Kirk: “What is this system called, anyway?”
Spock: “This is Beta Alpha 47 Omega 47b, Subsection 12. In ancient anecdotal native nomenclature, it is called ‘Yavin.’ The main planetoid is class D, essentially a great rock in space, but this moon is class M. and supports a surprisingly diversified and thriving ecology.”
Kirk: “Lieutenant Uhura. On speaker”
Static “zzzffshchffff…direct violation of the Coruscant accords…zzzffshchfff…have no right to….zzzffshchfff…will be hearing from my lawyer…zzzffshchfff.”
“Spock: Do we have the coordinates of the rebel structure?”
“Yes sir, we do,”
“Fire. Full spread of phasers and torpedoes. And put all those rebels in the brig.”
“With pleasure, sir.”
COMMERCIAL
“Dr. McCoy to the Captain”
“What is it, Bones…”
“Well, you remember the pilot we beamed aboard after destroying the station? Turns out he was a humanoid contained in a primitive metallic exo-skeleton. I removed it, fixed his internal injuries and grew him some new limbs, and he’s fine now. But I swear i saw him moving a cup through the air from the water dispenser in sickbay. Reminded me of something you once said about your old friend Gary. Well, he’s out now. Pumped full of tranquilizers.”
“Thanks, Bones. Any clue who these people are? They are certainly not native to Beta Alpha 47 Omega 47b, Subsection 12!.”
“Well Jim, I think this one is special. Because he was so tranquilized, he was babbling and drooling. He kept saying “pamay” or “padmay” and then when I asked his name he said something almost imperceptible. With Spock’s help, we ran it through the computer’s linguistic subroutines and we think he is Ralph Nader, a 20th century consumer advocate, and sometimes US presidential candidate. It’s improbable, but if he was swept up into a temporal vortex, caught in a temporal wake, slingshat around the sun, trapped on a ship with a premature intermix formula, or thrown through a time portal on an ancient planet, who knows? These things happen all the time.”
“Kirk to Sulu. Take us at maximum warp to Starbase 12. I want these people off my ship. I don’t care what it takes or costs.”
“Yes sir. Uh, sir? A vessel is decloaking off our starboard bow. They are requesting visual communication.”
“Pipe it through, Lieutenant.”
“Captain, my name is Padme Amidala, former Queen of Naboo. Is my husband there? Because if he is, I swear he’s gonna get it. ”
“Ms. Amidala…Padme..I have guards around your husband. I have guards around the rebels. And I would like to invite you to dine with me this evening as a guest of the United Federation of Planets.”
“Captain, I would be honored. It is the custom of my people to attend first dinners naked, to dispel conflict and the potential of subterfuge.”
Kirk… END OF STORY
In a Star Trek crossover, Trek wins, and all others lose. Neither Lorne Greene or EJ Olmos or Star Wars have a chance against the power of Kirk or Trek in general. I think there was a TNG/Xmen crossover once. Now that’s weird-
Captain Robert April#47- Smiley faces are essential when employing sarcasm, at least in here. Good point, captain.
Xai#49- Okay, I’ve relaxed the attack muscles in my fingers – no more typing furiously to tell Ivory how wrong he/she is. Thanks for the info.
AJ#56- Pretty good screenplay. You and BritDude should get together and collaborate on a TOS-French Revolution crossover.
The Trek/X-Men crossover was Marvel Comics dubious experimentation into drawing great comics while taking massive amounts of illicit drugs.
They are a fun read, however. I believe someone has posted them online, at least samples that I remember seeing.
Ok, Trek beats everything, but what if the Enterprise (whichever of the alphabet soup you want) got hit by the Death Star’s primary weapon?
FOOM. Enterprise gone, probably. Now the planet killer vs. Death Star… that would be fun!
Uh, guys my post at # 4 was meant as a joke.
Ivory#4- No more jokes like that Ivory. I was ready to crawl through the monitor and hunt you down!
#60—Denise, like Jim Kirk said to Spock in TUC,
“You should have trusted me.”
From now on, you should listen to your old friend—-Mr. Poopey face.
Poopey#61- I wanted to believe you, Poopey, I really did; however, my natural inclination to preserve and protect all things TOS drove the old estrogen to the forefront. And it’s not the first time, as you well know (all indicators say it won’t be the last, either!).
#62—-Haven’t seen you get so upset since someone mentioned rebooting The Godfather…
“Ivory, don’t ever takes sides with anyone against the family again…”
Poopey#62- “Rebooting the Godfather” – I shall assuredly get out my phaser rifle for any and all who would tread that sacred ground.
#54 “Jeez he’s still talking about a 40 year old show.”
…And so are you.
#59 … I too got your meaning the first time. Ivory holds the rank of Captain in the “Shatnerfleet”! :-)
Shanter_Fan_2000
If I hold the rank of captain in Shatnerfleet does that mean that you guys should salute me?
Ivory#66- No salute today, Ivory – your joke wrecked havoc with my nervous system and you must bow your head in shame. Perhaps a half salute tomorrow.
58: The Enterprise, bloody ABC or D, or NX.O1, or Kirk’s 100% origina, simply stays in on the side of the DS that doesn’t have the weapon. And when Governor Tarkin goes to the toilet, kerblamm.
Denise, thanks for the compliment. It got long-winded after the 3rd line, but I just couldn’t stop. Though Britdude needs to give me a major primer on the French Revolution before any quality product is produced. I was simply taking the piss out of Star Wars.
In actuality, imagine the scene in FC when 1701E flies in illegally and deflects the Borg tractor beam before destroying the cube and rescuing the fleet. Imagine this happened over Endor after all the Ewoks had been assimilated, and imagine hordes of furry Borg assimilating innocent humanoids. Kids would love it, and would have given the Klingons something furry to hunt besides tribbles.
56, good show. Pretty sly shot at Nader.
I can just imagine Nader’s analysis of Star Trek: “Unsafe at Any Warp.”
Darth Nader… surprised no one has used it in a campaign commercial….
One thing I’d like to see get the screen treatment is the discovery of an evolutionary consanguinity between tribbles and Ewoks. Seems that some time ago, Q granted the tribbles’ wish to sprout arms and legs, and the rest is history.
“Triwoks: The Ultimate Crossover”
Throughout time and space and all the multiverses that have been, that are, and that will be, there has been but one universal constant: Tribbles….
I love his comment about the bike. He doesn’t look too happy xD
65. good one
AJ#68- (Shiver) Ewoks being assimilated… too horrific because of the cuteness factor involved. Make it Wookies – at least they’re big and won’t cause as many children burst into tears in the theatres.
Demon Barber#70- Shat should be ashamed of himself for stealing Mr. N’s bike. According to I Am Spock, Paraborg wouldn’t let him put a phone in his dressing room (he offered to pay for it himself and they still said no!) and he needed to make phone calls on his lunch hour everyday. So, the only recourse was for him to buy a bike so he could jump on it to get to an office across the lot, take care of business and then dash back to the set. Of course, on the days when the Shat was in a bored or mischievous mood, poor Leonardo would walk out and find his bike gone, thereby messing up his entire day. Poor Leonardo. He should have used the Vulcan deathgrip on Shat… oh, that’s right, no such thing as the Vulcan deathgrip… well, at least a couple neckpinches then.
No, Leonardo should have exacted his revenge by getting to the make-up room early one morning (which he normally did anyway), hidden Shatner’s toupee where he wouldn’t find it and then, when the Shat showed up for work, said, “well, let’s start with the first shot of the morning!”
Heh, heh, heh……….
“I don’t think my limited mindI could handle it.”
You said it best………
That just about sums up your perception of Shatner and Star Trek. The key word being limited. Try watching All Good Things and expand your mind you obtuse piece of flotsam.
There’s more to Star Trek other than how everything looks on the surface.
Now GO LEARN!
Harry#74- Brilliant! Too bad you weren’t around on the set to give LN some advice at the time, although I doubt he would have employed those particular tactics – he’s too nice a guy (I would have in a heartbeat).
#4 – Post #75 is directed towards your newb comment
asc1138 #75- We finally ascertained that Ivory was joking with that infamous post yesterday – turns out Ivory is a true Shatner fan and was employing sarcasm in his/her post, although twas difficult to tell because of the very noticeable lack of smiley faces.
asc1138
“you obtuse piece of flotsam”
I’m not really smart enough to understand that statement, but as I stated in another post I was joking.
I want Shatner to be in ST XI more than anyone. His absence from the film is a huge negative.
Shatner being in the new film would be a negative.
# 80
How?
75. asc1138 – March 21, 2008
“That just about sums up your perception of Shatner and Star Trek. The key word being limited. Try watching All Good Things and expand your mind you obtuse piece of flotsam.”
There are far differing opinions on many things in here, but none of them warrant your insults… even if Ivory’s post was a joke.
Re: #56. AJ
What are you on?
and
Can I have some?
:-)
That took a bit o’work, laddie.
arrrrrrrr!
kg
VOODOO, I don’t think #80 can answer, since all of its posts are limited to 1 sentence or shorter. I don’t think it’s a human being; more like a computer virus…
81. Bad hammy acting when everyone else will be playing their parts as naturalistic, it will stick out, which should give Shatner pleasure since thats the whole point with him.
#84
Good point; that’s probably why the Battletrek entity despises Shatner’s Kirk that much – it’s afraid of being talked to death by him…;-)
#80—That’s a pretty blanket statement. IMO, there are many factors which would determine whether his presence in the film would be positive or negative, not the least of which is—-is it beneficial to the story?
Secondly, is the explanation as to why he is there, despite being dead, satisfactory?
Third, is a “Shatner’s Kirk resurrection” crucial to the conflict resolution in the script, or is it being shoehorned in strictly for the benefit of fans who are still disillusioned by the poorly written and performed death sequence in Generations?
And finally (and here, unfortunately, is where some of my friends disappear), will it be William Shatner as James T. Kirk (TOS–STIV), or will it be James T. Kirk as William Shatner (STVI–GEN)?
No, I did not make a mistake in leaving out STV. I intentionally discount The Great Trek Turd altogether….
Poopey….Turd…..I sense a theme here!
#88—I aplologize to your “senses”.
No apology necessary…………me likey!