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	<title>Comments on: Cho On Fight Training + A Korean Playing Sulu</title>
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		<title>By: Echnalaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Echnalaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 04:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I laughed a little when I saw him take of his helmet and look so serious. It&#039;s a great fight scene, but I just can&#039;t take Harold that seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I laughed a little when I saw him take of his helmet and look so serious. It&#8217;s a great fight scene, but I just can&#8217;t take Harold that seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watched the movie, and it&#039;s pretty safe to say that the cast members who do the best job at portraying the characters reasonably similarly (visually or not) to the original cast are Karl Urban as McCoy and Zachary Quinto as Spock, and Anton Yelchin as Chekov. The latter looks absolutely nothing like the original, and his accent sways between fake-Russian and fake-Italian, but like the other two, he captures the essence pretty well.

Simon Pegg&#039;s Scotty is more parody than emulation, and Cho&#039;s Sulu just doesn&#039;t cut it for me. The original Sulu had a deep voice, and a gravity and unflappable nature that came with George Takei&#039;s stage work. Cho just doesn&#039;t have that gravity or presence to me. He seems more scrappy and lacking in depth.

The role of Uhura is also a bone of contention for many, since as a trendsetting African-American role model in the original series, this version turns her into a clear object of lust, despite making her &quot;really smart&quot; and &quot;fluent in three dialects of Romulan&quot; which I suppose is the modern-day equivalent to the 1960s mini-skirts, but still, something that perhaps wan&#039;t needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watched the movie, and it&#8217;s pretty safe to say that the cast members who do the best job at portraying the characters reasonably similarly (visually or not) to the original cast are Karl Urban as McCoy and Zachary Quinto as Spock, and Anton Yelchin as Chekov. The latter looks absolutely nothing like the original, and his accent sways between fake-Russian and fake-Italian, but like the other two, he captures the essence pretty well.</p>
<p>Simon Pegg&#8217;s Scotty is more parody than emulation, and Cho&#8217;s Sulu just doesn&#8217;t cut it for me. The original Sulu had a deep voice, and a gravity and unflappable nature that came with George Takei&#8217;s stage work. Cho just doesn&#8217;t have that gravity or presence to me. He seems more scrappy and lacking in depth.</p>
<p>The role of Uhura is also a bone of contention for many, since as a trendsetting African-American role model in the original series, this version turns her into a clear object of lust, despite making her &#8220;really smart&#8221; and &#8220;fluent in three dialects of Romulan&#8221; which I suppose is the modern-day equivalent to the 1960s mini-skirts, but still, something that perhaps wan&#8217;t needed.</p>
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		<title>By: neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>physical resemblance is as important as performance for making it believable that they&#039;re the same characters. it can&#039;t be that hard to find good actors who resemble the originals. look at ewan mcgregor and alec guiness in &quot;star wars&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>physical resemblance is as important as performance for making it believable that they&#8217;re the same characters. it can&#8217;t be that hard to find good actors who resemble the originals. look at ewan mcgregor and alec guiness in &#8220;star wars&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aww, did you hurt your hand? Let me kiss it better! &gt;D

Neo: Please watch the movie before judging how suitable they are for the characters based on appearance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aww, did you hurt your hand? Let me kiss it better! &gt;D</p>
<p>Neo: Please watch the movie before judging how suitable they are for the characters based on appearance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bernardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Bernardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain Robert April wrote:

&gt; Let’s nail this down.

&gt; What PRECISELY do Solow and Justman say on the subject?

Finally dug out the Solow/Justman book, &quot;Inside Star Trek&quot;.  On p. 78 bottom to p. 79 top, here are the exact words --

[quote] Justman thought the character&#039;s name came from the Philippine Islands&#039; Sulu archipelago, which bomber pilot Roddenberry knew about from his World War II experiences flying in the South Pacific.  Actually, the name &quot;Sulu&quot; resulted from Roddenberry&#039;s decision to &quot;honor&quot; Herb Solow by using a mispronunciation of his name &quot;without the w,&quot; a running joke between Solow and many of his friends. [/quote]

So as you can see, even Justman and Solow have differing opinions on the origin of the name Sulu.

&gt; And how the hell do they explain how they got Sulu from Solow?

Unknown.  I&#039;d believe Justman and Takei rather than a &quot;joke&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain Robert April wrote:</p>
<p>&gt; Let’s nail this down.</p>
<p>&gt; What PRECISELY do Solow and Justman say on the subject?</p>
<p>Finally dug out the Solow/Justman book, &#8220;Inside Star Trek&#8221;.  On p. 78 bottom to p. 79 top, here are the exact words &#8211;</p>
<p>[quote] Justman thought the character&#8217;s name came from the Philippine Islands&#8217; Sulu archipelago, which bomber pilot Roddenberry knew about from his World War II experiences flying in the South Pacific.  Actually, the name &#8220;Sulu&#8221; resulted from Roddenberry&#8217;s decision to &#8220;honor&#8221; Herb Solow by using a mispronunciation of his name &#8220;without the w,&#8221; a running joke between Solow and many of his friends. [/quote]</p>
<p>So as you can see, even Justman and Solow have differing opinions on the origin of the name Sulu.</p>
<p>&gt; And how the hell do they explain how they got Sulu from Solow?</p>
<p>Unknown.  I&#8217;d believe Justman and Takei rather than a &#8220;joke&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Robert April</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Robert April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s nail this down.

What PRECISELY do Solow and Justman say on the subject?  And how the hell do they explain how they got Sulu from Solow?  The Sulu Sea had to play at part in that process SOMEWHERE, or somebody missed a chance at running that lucky streak onto a winning lottery ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s nail this down.</p>
<p>What PRECISELY do Solow and Justman say on the subject?  And how the hell do they explain how they got Sulu from Solow?  The Sulu Sea had to play at part in that process SOMEWHERE, or somebody missed a chance at running that lucky streak onto a winning lottery ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pegg looks exactly like doohan, whereas quinto bares little resemblance to nimoy, and cho bares none whatsoever to takei. tekei&#039;s most distinct feature is his jawline, whereas cho almost has no jawline, he has a large forehead, giving him an egghead look.

looks like somebody in casting thought the only thing that needed any resemblance was their eyes....

and even then there&#039;s none....



&quot;get a chink, they&#039;re all the same&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pegg looks exactly like doohan, whereas quinto bares little resemblance to nimoy, and cho bares none whatsoever to takei. tekei&#8217;s most distinct feature is his jawline, whereas cho almost has no jawline, he has a large forehead, giving him an egghead look.</p>
<p>looks like somebody in casting thought the only thing that needed any resemblance was their eyes&#8230;.</p>
<p>and even then there&#8217;s none&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;get a chink, they&#8217;re all the same&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson Roykirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson Roykirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#60 --

It has been mentioned (#32) and discussed (#33, #37).

Except for Quinto, the actors don&#039;t look much like the originals.  I think Cho looks as much like Takei as Pegg looks like Doohan (perhaps even moreso), or as much as Yelchin looks like Koening...and Bruce Greenwood looks nothing at all like Pike, IMO. 

However, I personally don&#039;t think it&#039;s important what they look like as long as they have the &quot;broad general look&quot; of the original -- and they all do, including Cho.

Fro instance, I wouldn&#039;t want a 5&#039;-6&quot; blonde-haired Spock standing next to a 6ft 6in-tall skinny red-headed freckled-faced Kirk.  The cast they have is fine because they all have the correct &quot;general look&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#60 &#8211;</p>
<p>It has been mentioned (#32) and discussed (#33, #37).</p>
<p>Except for Quinto, the actors don&#8217;t look much like the originals.  I think Cho looks as much like Takei as Pegg looks like Doohan (perhaps even moreso), or as much as Yelchin looks like Koening&#8230;and Bruce Greenwood looks nothing at all like Pike, IMO. </p>
<p>However, I personally don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s important what they look like as long as they have the &#8220;broad general look&#8221; of the original &#8212; and they all do, including Cho.</p>
<p>Fro instance, I wouldn&#8217;t want a 5&#8242;-6&#8243; blonde-haired Spock standing next to a 6ft 6in-tall skinny red-headed freckled-faced Kirk.  The cast they have is fine because they all have the correct &#8220;general look&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And BTW, on the subject of the accuracy of celeb recollections...it&#039;s worth noting that Cho also says that Takei told him &quot;When they came up with a first name, George is Japanese American, so they give him the name Hikaru.&quot;

The implication there is that the &quot;they&quot; was someone associated with the TV series, presumably Roddenberry - when in fact &quot;Hikaru&quot; first appears in Vonda McIntyre&#039;s Trek novel &quot;The Entropy Effect.&quot;  

There is no evidence or reason to believe that the name originally comes from the production company, Paramount or anyone associated with them; it never occurs in any official Trek material or the recollections of anyone associated with it until well after McIntyre&#039;s use of it.  Whether it was a popular given name for the character in fan fiction prior to the publication of her novel is perhaps an open question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And BTW, on the subject of the accuracy of celeb recollections&#8230;it&#8217;s worth noting that Cho also says that Takei told him &#8220;When they came up with a first name, George is Japanese American, so they give him the name Hikaru.&#8221;</p>
<p>The implication there is that the &#8220;they&#8221; was someone associated with the TV series, presumably Roddenberry &#8211; when in fact &#8220;Hikaru&#8221; first appears in Vonda McIntyre&#8217;s Trek novel &#8220;The Entropy Effect.&#8221;  </p>
<p>There is no evidence or reason to believe that the name originally comes from the production company, Paramount or anyone associated with them; it never occurs in any official Trek material or the recollections of anyone associated with it until well after McIntyre&#8217;s use of it.  Whether it was a popular given name for the character in fan fiction prior to the publication of her novel is perhaps an open question.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#59: &quot;Sorry, but the Sulu Sea version makes more sense.&quot;

Sorry, but because it makes more sense to you doesn&#039;t make it true.  Reality doesn&#039;t work like that.

Some people were there, and know; other people were simply told.  You, Takei, me, everybody else - were simply told.  For my part, I choose to  believe the less egotistic of the people who were actually there, and to ignore people who say they *know* something is true because it was told to them as true by a favorite celebrity.   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#59: &#8220;Sorry, but the Sulu Sea version makes more sense.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, but because it makes more sense to you doesn&#8217;t make it true.  Reality doesn&#8217;t work like that.</p>
<p>Some people were there, and know; other people were simply told.  You, Takei, me, everybody else &#8211; were simply told.  For my part, I choose to  believe the less egotistic of the people who were actually there, and to ignore people who say they *know* something is true because it was told to them as true by a favorite celebrity.   :)</p>
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