Comments on: Moore: Star Trek Had Too Much Continuity

By: Frank B. Chavez III

Frank B. Chavez III — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:16:39 +0000

Ron Moore is just a hack who has yet to create an original idea. Just because he was overwhelmed by the continuity issues of a 40 year old franchise doesn’t mean other writers would be.

By: Del

Del — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:01:53 +0000

ENT was a very promising series to begin with, but really, they spent way too much time on this temporal cold war garbage and ruined the whole series.

As for the new Movie, I just hope it isn’t just a grittier rehash of the DS9 episode – Valiant.

By: sean

sean — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:51:53 +0000

I swear, the way these quotes are dissected & selectively remembered one might think we were talking about the Presidential Race! ;)

He didn’t say he hated canon, or that stories shouldn’t be coherent or consistent. He said that after 40 years of canon (and fanon) that many writers & potential audiences were turned off because they felt too many things had been set in stone. And no matter how much you love the show or its ‘history’, what he said is valid. Many writers would feel creatively confined with so much established in-show history, and many folks that hadn’t watched all the shows might have come in and thought ‘What the hell are these people talking about?’, and just turned the channel. It happens.

By: Jeyl

Jeyl — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:06:20 +0000

…..Who ever said writing was supposed to be easy? Sheesh Ron, you’re such a whiner.

By: Battletrek

Battletrek — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:48:01 +0000

I just wish TNG was still on.

By: Lendorien

Lendorien — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:02:44 +0000

I always thought hat what sunk ENT was the Temporal cold war stuff. There was so much they could have done with the show, new avenues they could have gone, taking and showing the birth of the federation. Instead the fell back on this tired overused time travel thing, rehashed old dumb sci-fi plots and didn’t focus enough on the adventure, the discovery, the unknown. Perhaps having writers who didn’t grow up on Star Trek would have been useful. Get a fresh perspective and all.

I suspect that to get the show on, they needed a hook and the time travel thing is the one Berman and Bragga used. I don’t think it was a good hook, and it hurt the show overall in the end.

By: Garovorkin

Garovorkin — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:42:09 +0000

#252 LoyalStartrekfan I had a number of issues with enterprise, you mention the Borg and the Ferengi, i do agree on that point they should not have been in enterprise at all. There is one thing that i wish they had done. and that was the Earth Romulan war, which if memory serves me correctly, happened around that time. That is another aspect of enterprise that did not sit well with me. there opportunity for the series to flesh out this pivotal event in trek, why they fought, why the Vulcans forced the Star fleet to negotiate a peace treaty with the Romulans. Equally problematic is that Enterprise should have emphasized the exploration side of trek more then it ended up doing.

#250 Beamer what is your point? do you like the idea of the Abrams film do you prefer that Paramount just forget about the film? i am Just curious

By: LoyalStarTrekFan

LoyalStarTrekFan — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:01:46 +0000

243, 244 excellent points and well thought out. Your points on ENT were especially appreciated as an ENT fan myself. (ENT isn’t my favorite series but I thought that it was excellent and an superb edition to Star Trek.) You also have a great point on the time period this new movie takes place.

My point about canon is as follows: the major “pivotal” stuff needs to stay (First Contact happened in 2063, the Federation was founded in 2161, Earth-Romulan War occurred, Eugenics Wars/WWIII occurred, etc.) the minor stuff and exact dates (was the Federation founded on May 8th or October 11th, or, as the books suggest, August 12th?) is open and able to be clarified or not concerned with. A minor piece of “canon” that can easily be ignored is the earthquake referrenced in VOY: “Future’s End” in which LA fell under 200 meters of water in 2047. (A remark that always brings a smile to my face because they are talking about LA and the loss of LA would be no great loss – no offense.)

249, yes the “when someone comes up with this new – directive” stuff was kind of annoying and the Borg and Ferengi should never have been in ENT. However, the idea that noone wanted to do anything new is just wrong. There were many good episodes in ENT Seasons 1 & 2 (”The Andorian Incident” “Shadows of P’Jem” “The Seventh” “Cogenitor” “First Flight”) and the Xindi conflict, an intelligent race with FIVE species – that hasn’t been done before, and all of Season 4 was unique, different, while still respecting canon but not being “a slave” to it.

By: Captain Otter

Captain Otter — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:31:39 +0000

Beamer,

If it is a reboot, why would you have to “trash” anything? 40 years of Trek 1.0 would still be readably available. It ain’t going anywhere.

By: Beammer

Beammer — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:10:22 +0000

If this is going to be a different Star Trek, then just tell us.
And just call it what it is: A Re-boot. Then the rest of us can
trash everything we hold onto & embrase all the new.
This should clear up the confusion.